All I know is both sites have more info than me, however, both are getting more and more misleading. Back in the day there was a symbol next to articles you had to pay for, and others were free. Now, most of the free articles just reroute you to something else that's only for paying customers. Anger.
Gotta pay the guys that are out there doing the work!

Smart man, Beaver and the jokes at Scout are hacks


For real?? Somebody told me on MLive before I purchased the Scout.com membership that Scout is a few steps ahead of Rivals as far as breaking news and giving updates on recruits...

For real?? Somebody told me on MLive before I purchased the Scout.com membership that Scout is a few steps ahead of Rivals as far as breaking news and giving updates on recruits...
I usually do not check their site, so as for breaking down everything, I cannot tell you if they're the first to break stuff...

...I can tell you this (for a fact)... the media outlets that you get most of your news from (both sports stations, newspapers etc...) here in Detroit do not think highly of the gentlemen that work over there... To add to that... I have been told numerous times not to run with a story on the air that scout as reported unless the boys at thewolverine have confirmed it...

Take that for what its worth...

I thought Scouts main gig is rankings and stuff...or thats where they put alot of their resources.

I don't think there is ONE place that breaks every story. That'd be tough.

Yeah... I agree... The way everything is right now, if someone breaks something, everyone is trying to check on it, then they report it once its confirmed, the cycle takes 5 minutes...

I usually do not check their site, so as for breaking down everything, I cannot tell you if they're the first to break stuff...

...I can tell you this (for a fact)... the media outlets that you get most of your news from (both sports stations, newspapers etc...) here in Detroit do not think highly of the gentlemen that work over there... To add to that... I have been told numerous times not to run with a story on the air that scout as reported unless the boys at thewolverine have confirmed it...

Take that for what its worth...


Hmmm... interesting

Do you know what kind of connection Tom Beaver actually has to the university??

Just curious.

Hmmm... interesting

Do you know what kind of connection Tom Beaver actually has to the university??

Just curious.
LOL, yeah...but let artermis tell you his side first... :D

LOL, yeah...but let artermis tell you his side first... :D



Well, about how much of his "daily blogs" are legit?

Tell me, so I won't invest in scout, and I'll switch to rivals...

And you guys think Zip Goshboots is off his rocker.
HAHAHHAHAHAHA Once again, ZIP conquers ALL!

Well, about how much of his "daily blogs" are legit?

Tell me, so I won't invest in scout, and I'll switch to rivals...
Well, at Rivals you will get everything that is factual, from a legit source, and stuff that has been "fact checked"...

...His blogs are like most message boards... I wouldnt take anything from him with more or less than anything from the fort lol

Do you know what kind of connection Tom Beaver actually has to the university??

Tenuous at best????

You know what, I was going to write this long topic on this, but it doesnt really matter.

The only thing I take offense to is that Rivals are respected journalists. They are no more respected than any other quasi news place on the web.

As far as misleading. Rivals and Scouts hears information and they pass it on. They dont make the stuff up, they just pass it along.

They are both sites for the Wolverine fans. Each has its own + and -.

I hate the layout over at Rivals so I never go there any more. I just know Tom used to work at Rivals a long time ago and there was a falling out. Where most of the bullshit comes from.

As far as recruiting....the info I get from Scout is solid and up to date and usually before Rivals has anything out.

The only thing I take offense to is that Rivals are respected journalists. They are no more respected than any other quasi news place on the web.


I hate the layout over at Rivals so I never go there any more. I just know Tom used to work at Rivals a long time ago and there was a falling out. Where most of the bullshit comes from.


Take part one...add part two and you have a simple answer to all of this...

...and when it comes to credible news source...thewolverine.com is, gobluewolverine.com isnt...

Its no knock on you bro...its just factual.

Hey, how about we get back to recruiting? Rivals v Scout can go to the Terrordome for all I care. I get a little upset when I see there are new posts in the recruiting thread and I see that they have little to know recruiting info or speculation.

Hey, how about we get back to recruiting? Rivals v Scout can go to the Terrordome for all I care. I get a little upset when I see there are new posts in the recruiting thread and I see that they have little to know recruiting info or speculation.
From my guy out in LA (USC writer)...he is saying Nick Perry is a lock out there... The guy was nuts on last year with Ddub and Rojo...

So take that for what it is worth...and MSU fans, dont even get the thought in your head he is actually considering you.

From my guy out in LA (USC writer)...he is saying Nick Perry is a lock out there... The guy was nuts on last year with Ddub and Rojo...

So take that for what it is worth...and MSU fans, dont even get the thought in your head he is actually considering you.

I heard the same jason..My info is coming from another psl coach......With that said, it was also said that Michigan is in his ear now....Im not saying he is going there, just that there has been more contact now with RR...MSU was never mentioned....

Dang, I was hoping that the combo of UM and RR would get him. I've thought ever since the hire that the new S&C program would have been enough to get Rojo last year - since his beef was size not speed. I would hate to lose an instate stud to USC for the 2nd year in a row.

I heard the same jason..My info is coming from another psl coach......With that said, it was also said that Michigan is in his ear now....Im not saying he is going there, just that there has been more contact now with RR...MSU was never mentioned....
Yeah, I tried to tell Valenti that MSU was NEVER in the picture with him and he just blew it off and called me an idiot...

Let Perry go out to USC, and get buried on the depth chart...

He'll be on scout team defense for the first 2 years, and then maybe see some garbage PT his junior season and if he's lucky, he'll be "in the mix" for a rotation spot when he's a senior...

Let Perry go out to USC, and get buried on the depth chart...

He'll be on scout team defense for the first 2 years, and then maybe see some garbage PT his junior season and if he's lucky, he'll be "in the mix" for a rotation spot when he's a senior...

I dont think so Wil...The kid is a flat out stud...Just because he is from Michigan does not mean he will be buried on the depth chart...The same was said about Rojo..And he saw time as a freshman

I know they used him as a WR on passes on reverses. Did they use him at all on defense or special teams?

But I agree that Perry could see time soon. USC is losing some players on D. Everson Griffin will be at one end for the next two years for sure, but he may see time across from him.

I know they used him as a WR on passes on reverses. Did they use him at all on defense or special teams?

But I agree that Perry could see time soon. USC is losing some players on D. Everson Griffin will be at one end for the next two years for sure, but he may see time across from him.

He is a wide receiver at USC and plays special teams.....He does not play defense

He is a wide receiver at USC and plays special teams.....He does not play defense

So he moved to California and became a sissy?

From my guy out in LA (USC writer)...he is saying Nick Perry is a lock out there... The guy was nuts on last year with Ddub and Rojo...

So take that for what it is worth...and MSU fans, dont even get the thought in your head he is actually considering you.

lol oh really check this out http://michiganstate.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=2&c=712779

State's his leader fat bitch. Has been for awhile and he's become very good friends with Fred Smith and Charles Burrell.

P.S. My neighbors friends with some PSL coaches and according to them he's MSU bound. He doesn't want to go far from home and he's developed a great relationship with Dantonio and MSU's current players. He likes the atmosphere, the campus and the women better then the garbage in Ann Arbor.

Dick-rod doesn’t even have a friggin staff yet.

I’ll bet you on signing day he’s green and white.

^ Who are you on SpartanTailgate?

Bukky

Glenn, if you're reading this (Tahoe, you too): Area 51.

everyone else (able to go there) as well

"JB" spartan4life?
The JB stands for "joel Bukdow".

Zip, Area 51. We, uh, found, erm, wreckage...

Weather balloon, nothing more (to the people who aren't allowed into Area 51).

lol oh really check this out http://michiganstate.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=2&c=712779

State's his leader fat bitch. Has been for awhile and he's become very good friends with Fred Smith and Charles Burrell.

P.S. My neighbors friends with some PSL coaches and according to them he's MSU bound. He doesn't want to go far from home and he's developed a great relationship with Dantonio and MSU's current players. He likes the atmosphere, the campus and the women better then the garbage in Ann Arbor.

Dick-rod doesn’t even have a friggin staff yet.

I’ll bet you on signing day he’s green and white.

lol...Well my brothers neighbors wifes father knows someone at USC who knows ROJO who talks to Perry and he says he is going to USC...lol

Michigan recruit loses father, girlfriend in car crash
Posted by Staff report | The Ann Arbor News December 27, 2007 13:08PM
Categories: Football

Elliott Mealer, a high school football player and Michigan football recruit, lost his father and girlfriend in a two-vehicle crash in Pettisville, Ohio, on Monday night, according to the Toledo Blade.

David Mealer, 50, and Hollis Richer, 17, were killed and four others were injured. Elliott Mealer was treated at an area health center and released

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071226/NEWS01/712260393


thoughts and prayers....very sad

lol oh really check this out http://michiganstate.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=2&c=712779

State's his leader fat bitch. Has been for awhile and he's become very good friends with Fred Smith and Charles Burrell.

P.S. My neighbors friends with some PSL coaches and according to them he's MSU bound. He doesn't want to go far from home and he's developed a great relationship with Dantonio and MSU's current players. He likes the atmosphere, the campus and the women better then the garbage in Ann Arbor.

Dick-rod doesn’t even have a friggin staff yet.

I’ll bet you on signing day he’s green and white.
lol...more Scout love...

Cute - what are we going to bet that he doesnt go to little brother?

That Mealer story is a horrible tragedy.

What a nightmare.

Definitely - Prayers go out to him and his family, and his GF's family.

Christian Wilson - may visit State, BC, UVa(for sure), and Rutgers(will do 3 out of the 4)

JB Fitzgerald is scheduled to visit MSU in January.

And Taylor Hill will visit MSU the 11th.

lol perry is not gonna "stoop" to being a spartan...


and to think that jb fitzgerald will attend msu over um or rutgers, is a pipe dream

Wil, why not give DSC a chance to post some facts, it's not like he went all homerrific on us or something, lol.

lol perry is not gonna "stoop" to being a spartan...


and to think that jb fitzgerald will attend msu over um or rutgers, is a pipe dream

Didn't say a thing about Perry.

But, the 3-3-5 is not LB friendly. It both requires different types of LB's, and it if is just plain weird. So, the fact that a LB might not be looking as hard at UM is not a surprise.

And I didn't say that anyone was a 'lock', commit, or any of that bullshit. Just saying what's up.

Didn't say a thing about Perry.

But, the 3-3-5 is not LB friendly. It both requires different types of LB's, and it if is just plain weird. So, the fact that a LB might not be looking as hard at UM is not a surprise.

And I didn't say that anyone was a 'lock', commit, or any of that bullshit. Just saying what's up.

Not necessarily true dsc...About a 3-3-5 not being lb friendly...But I do understand your point...

Well, the same LB friendly. It can get the right guys more tackles and more sacks, than they would get in the 4-3. So yes, it can be good for some.

Well, the same LB friendly. It can get the right guys more tackles and more sacks, than they would get in the 4-3. So yes, it can be good for some.

Im more of a 4-3 guy as well..And it does concern me against teams like Wiscy and now MSU.....

I wasn't saying Perry is going to choose U of M, he's probably gonna go to USC...

Im more of a 4-3 guy as well..And it does concern me against teams like Wiscy and now MSU.....

In all honesty, I think a 4-4 with SS types as your OLB's would work great, but I'm no DC. But that is my actual 'preferred' D. But I prefer the 4-3 to the other college D's(3-4, 3-3-5, 4-2-5)

Pittsburgh and NE both run a 3-3-5 or some variation of it.

You use a 3-3-5 stack against spread teams and go to a 4-3 for traditional power running teams.

Pittsburgh and NE both run a 3-3-5 or some variation of it.

You use a 3-3-5 stack against spread teams and go to a 4-3 for traditional power running teams.

No, they run a 3-4. They may use a 3-3-5 as their nickle, but their main D is a 3-4.

Cissoko has canceled his visit to Penn State, and will re-committ to Michigan at the Army All-American Game...

Anybody see the shit about Pryor saying he would choose UM if Mallett transfered?

Anybody see the shit about Pryor saying he would choose UM if Mallett transfered?

On his chat transcript on Rivals, he said it wouldn't matter...

Just a tid bit for you all.....Im hearing, take it for what its worth, that a little recruit from Det King is really considering the maize and blue..Other "local" recruits are really putting the full court press on him and talking of a monster defense....

By the way, those who "know" me here, know I dont just make stuff up...It has to do with the PSL connections I have........

Also, im not saying he is going there, just that they are in a better place with him now that Coach Rod is at M.......

Just a tid bit for you all.....Im hearing, take it for what its worth, that a little recruit from Det King is really considering the maize and blue..Other "local" recruits are really putting the full court press on him and talking of a monster defense....

By the way, those who "know" me here, know I dont just make stuff up...It has to do with the PSL connections I have........

Also, im not saying he is going there, just that they are in a better place with him now that Coach Rod is at M.......


Good. Perry can contribute here right away, whereas he'd have to wait a year or two at USC, and if he went to MSU, he'd never contend for a Big Ten Title or go to a Jan 1 Bowl Game, or beat Big Brother...

I recently read that Rodriguez expects to sign a class of 25 this year. I'm just trying to figure out who that will be.
Best case scenario - we keep all 16 current commits (I wouldn't say that's likely, but just go along for a moment)
Further best case scenario - we add Pryor, B Smith and Perry. Ok, that's 19.
Now we add the two guys listed on scout as High Interest, Vaughn Carraway and Lamar Hughes (1 star CB from Cali that I've never heard of and doesn't have a UM offer - if he's from Cali he may not even be interested anymore, since he's possibly an English guy).
That still leaves us with 4 scholarships.

What positions do you think we still need and who do you think gets offers? It could be people not even on our old radar, that were WVU recruits.
It could be a guy like JT Floyd.

Possibly instate guys like Anthony Hollis, Zach Heuter, Philipae Phillips, and Troy Tidwell. 3 of those 4 are DB's, which I think fills a position of need for us.

Any thoughts from elsewhere? Any word on more current WVU recruits or commits? Many that aren't from WV, but are from places like OH and PA could be targets. 5 of their current commit fit that profile, and some fit needs here. It's still sad for me that Michigan didn't ever become a real option for Josh Jenkins. Sure, it was a dream scenario, but given the history of developing OL here and the relationship to the coaching staff, it seemed possible.

I think you forgot D.J. Woods and Keanon Cooper. They are in the fold for us and you can expect a committment in the next few weeks.

See, here's one of the reasons I don't like Scout.com. I realize there's a whole area of people arguing scout vs rivals, but I was looking on scout and they have Wisconsin all alone as Cooper's leader, and they don't even list Wodds as having any UM interest.

I wish Michigan was still in the running for Vaughn Telemaque...

That kid seems like a star...Brandon Smith would be nice as well...he makes his decision tomorrow

With Smith and Cooper I would feel much better about our Safety situation. Stevie Brown and Brandon Harrison just don't leave me feeling completely secure - and I think there is little-to-no depth behind them. Oh, Michael Williams and Artis Chambers, I suppose.
Trent and Warren are the corners, but having Boo Boo and at least one more solid corner as well would be nice.
There are a number of people saying Smith and Cooper are both tweeners, not really a safety or a LB, which could be perfect for a 3-3-5 system. Again, interested to see how Jonas Mouton fits into that equation.

From the WVU board, through scout....FWIW....WVU's new coach was interviewed and confirmed Magee, Frye, and Smith are headed to Michigan. Also said he did not know about any others--staying or leaving.

Per Scout: Tom Luginbill on ESPN said T Pryor has it narrowed down to Oregon(!) and UM. Also that distance is a problem for the young phenom, and that UM is his likely choice.

BONER TIME, BITCH!

Wow, interesting. I though O$U and PSU would be the biggest competition, with it ultimately coming down to O$U and UM. In spite of all the positive UM vibes, I expected O$U to be a tough competitor for him, considering the amazing OL class they have and their standing in both football and basketball.

Is there a chance that there is some pending penalties coming at OSU for a NCAA violation or two?

I thought it was odd that Tressell encouraged those 13 underclassmen to consider their pro options, and if they suddenly start missing out on key recruits, then there may be some smoke.

Just speculation, I know that OSU is about as teflon as it comes as a program.

Per Scout: Tom Luginbill on ESPN said T Pryor has it narrowed down to Oregon(!) and UM. Also that distance is a problem for the young phenom, and that UM is his likely choice.

BONER TIME, BITCH!

Plus that same Tom Luginbill dude said that Rich Rodriguez has started a freshman (White) before in that offense.

Tressel is a great coach, but that 13 underclassmen shit is a pose. Just to show he "has the players best interests at heart". He's scraping together a SERIOUS recruiting class, and probably has a couple more recroots on the fence. I'm thinking that he wouldn't sweat losing a few guys to get his younger guys in.
It's a perfect year for him to do that. UM may have a down year, and PSU and Wisconsin will be breaking in new QB's and losing some players themselves.

Plus that same Tom Luginbill dude said that Rich Rodriguez has started a freshman (White) before in that offense.

AND he's the same guy who said Sam Mcguffie would choose between Florida and USC.

BUT MICHIGAN BEAT FLORIDA!!

BUT MICHIGAN BEAT FLORIDA!!
http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/image.php?u=413&dateline=1199292811

They did? I was reading through several pages of the OGT and had a hard time finding any evidence that UM won.

^ Is that a woman? Or is that one of those "slow" dudes?

to Glenn

Either way, "IT" shops at Wal-Mart.

Ok, then "IT" is smart and not slow.

Carry on fellas.

Brandon Smith is a Wolverine

Is there a chance that there is some pending penalties coming at OSU for a NCAA violation or two?

I thought it was odd that Tressell encouraged those 13 underclassmen to consider their pro options, and if they suddenly start missing out on key recruits, then there may be some smoke.

Just speculation, I know that OSU is about as teflon as it comes as a program.

He told them to get the evaluation, not to go pro. There is no reason not to submit the paperwork to check your status.

Congrats on Smith.

Congrats on Smith.

Thanks, and I hope Dantonio is able to recruit a team full of blind midgets.

Thanks, and I hope Dantonio is able to recruit a team full of blind midgets.

If they win football games I don't care, pick 'em up.

Mike Golic has a son? How?

Mike Golic has a son? How?


Well, you get a man and a woman...

No, I get that. I mean, Mike Golic. Having a kid. How?

No, I get that. I mean, Mike Golic. Having a kid. How?


Not sure. Adoption?

I have more thinking to do,” Pryor said. “I’m looking for a spread offense, and I don’t know who’s telling the truth or not. It’ll be a tough decision.

im wondering what that means. but it makes me optimistic that hes ours if mallett leaves, cuz there would be no uncertainty, from day 1, that he would be the man, and he'd be running that offense he likes.

Remember, pride cometh before the fall. Also, that in the book of Charles, chapter 3, verse 84, it sayeth that "The man who recruiteth better players than those dressed in green is a wormeth, and though the legion of Spartans may never winneth the game, we are better because we supporteth losers, and god hateth fags

http://www.bibleexplained.com/poetry/psalms/Bible-boy.jpg

I don't want Terrelle Pryor.

I want a quarterback who is tall, robotic, looks like a dumbass, and has no personality.

I have a feeling Michigan is going to come out in real good shape this recruiting season, and if a few notables hang on for another year, it could be killer.
I wish RR would come out on Monday and say how much he HATES Ohio State and wishes everyone in that state would be overcome with a bad case of mumps. Even the children.
Especially the children.

He should come out and say that abortion should not only be legal in Ohio, but it should be also mandatory.

Yeah, except I would make it mandatory for the world.
There's nothing wrong with hoping that everyone in Ohio would just die a slow, painful death. Twice.
Except for Michigan fans, Ohio highs school porspects who love Michigan, Ohio porspects who will accept money from Jim Tressel and then tell the New York Times about it, and except for the hot broads who want to give me a blow job or take it up the ass.

Well, he could make up some shit about how Ohio isn't considered part of the world, the world hates Ohio State and rejoices when they lose, and how he also has 2 degrees from Michigan State.

Except for the fact that people will be all, "Michigan STATE? AHAHAHAH HAHAH HAHAH HAHAHAH HAHAHa HAhahah Hahahahah AHAha ahaha ahah Ahahahahaha AHAhahaha HAhaha aheheha AHahaha Ahahahahah ahaha a HAcK AHACK ACOUGH HACK A WHACK Dantonio's a fuckhead CAOGY HAWK THWAH CCCCCCCWWWWWAAAAACK! Huff cough wheeze ...grope SLAP!

Abortion? Well, according to the Bible...

The Bible? Hey, I WROTE that fucking book, motherfucker! FUCK YOU! Fuck anybody that LOOKeth lie you. For in the book of Melvin, verse 82, it sayeth, "Thou wilst be a man when though can looketh at porn and not jerketh off"

God hates Michigan. He didn't have to tell me this, because I AM GOD!!

"The state just got a little greenereth. For I dranketh too much wine and cavoteth around with too many whores, and now the chancres on my penis leaketh all over Michigan

GBW has said that RR may be trying to lure Alabama commit Star Jackson, a QB, to change his mind and come to Michigan.

Whether or not this means Pryor is a longshot, I have no idea. Perhaps it is just a safety net incase Pryor picks OSU

I saw that, Will. It seems the way they came across with that tidbit that maybe, just maybe, the kid gave a hint or two.

Assuming he qualifies I would try for Marqueis Gray if I were you guys. Star is from the south, and Saban is one hell of a recruiter.

UM vs. Minny is way more lobsided than UM vs. Bama.

However - his qualification is in doubt. That is supposed to be why Oregon and MSU cooled on him.

And Tate Forcier next year could be a good fit for you.

I think Star Jackson is more of a backup plan if/when Ryan Mallett transfers. He is in school so that is a good thing.

Zip btw idiot, turn your in box on. NO NOT YOUR HOT BOX...YOUR IN BOX.

Looks like Witherspoon is reopening his recruitment. Any insight? An eventual recommit or should the trip to Tennessee by worrisome?

btw, what's with all the rumors of Darrell Scott being interested now?
And the Jonathon Baldwin decommit? Yes, no, interest?

Witherspoon is still solid, Jeth. Just doing some visiting.

Fitz is set to meet with RR next week. Apparently there was some uncomfort on his end when LC retired, but his coach said "Michigan is still Michigan." I guess he's boys with Brandon Smith and Smith said he's going to get in his ear and "re-recruit" him.

Haven't heard anything about Baldwin and I would be shocked if we're even involved in Scott's final decision. He said he "might" schedule a visit to Michigan, that's not a great sign.

I'm liking our chances less and less about TP. That Buckeye on his helmet Saturday is scaring me.

Moodini: Try some of this,man, you are more and more becoming worthy of being an elite poster on the Detroit News Boards

http://mutacivi.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/prozac.jpg

0o0oh

Zip is on some Terrordome "shiznit".

Moodini NEEDS to migrate to the News boards with all that doom and gloom. Either that, or get an edge.

I'm liking our chances less and less about TP. That Buckeye on his helmet Saturday is scaring me.

That sticker was placed on his helmet by another player who is going to OSU....Did you know he was wearing a michigan sweatshirt during the day?

It really does not matter...I believe he will end up at OSU...I hope im wrong but......

if he's adament about playing hoops, it would help if our basketball team would stop getting bukdowed every game.

Here's the deal with the basketball thing.

Beilein is transitioning the team - playing with 8 scholarship players because so many were kicked off or left the team.

Translation, I still believe they're heading in the right direction. But having them heading in the right direction minus some players means even a partial year guy like Pryor could come in and get good minutes right away.

At O$U, they are bringing in excellent recruiting classes each year that might make it hard for him to crack into the rotation much, especially since he wouldn't join the team until the conference season had begun.

Here is an article from the Toledo Blade about UM recruit Kevin Koger of Ohio. Hopefully all the UM recroots feel this way!

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/SPORTS17/801090435

Does anyone know who the eight visitors that gbw is talking about I figure Perry Floyd Pryor Bushelll Baldwin and ???

Per Scout:

Weekend of Jan. 18th
-- Adrian Bushell. Visited OKST, and has Fla Jan. 11 and T-Tech Jan. 25.
-- J.T. Floyd (Tenn the 25th)
-- Mike Martin (also... visiting ND the 25th now)
-- D.J. Woods - *confirmed*
-- Boubacar Cissoko?

Weekend of Jan. 25th
-- Nick Perry ... USC, U-M, Miami on consecutive weekends
-- Jaron Brown ... Clem and SCAR, his big leaders, on 2 weekends prior.

Weekend of Feb. 1st
-- Terrelle Pryor ... visited OSU in Nov.

Others visiting in January:
-- Keanon Cooper. Visited Minn, visiting Wis.
-- A.J. Price. Will also visit PSU in Jan., visited Vir. in Dec.
-- Vaughn Carraway? ... we'll see if U-M brings him in

possible run-pass QB types: Cyrus Gray from DeSoto TX? ... Dominick Britt from Trotwood OH?

-- possible: QB Star Jackson? 6-3 Fla run-pass QB, the East's #3 guy in the Army Game and was impressive in practice and in the game ... an Ala, commit who really liked R-Rod/WVA and committed to the Tide when RR left WVA ... we'll see what happens here ... Star said nothing about U-M during Army week, but there is a certain sorta-confidence about him...

thanks im still not sure if I feel like they will get a full class of 25 though

Well, getting a class of 25 shouldn't be a problem. Having them be 25 solid recruits is the bigger deal. There are dozens of 2 stars and 1 star guys that would take the scholarship in a heartbeat.
If it were me, I would rather save those scholarships than give them away like candy at the end.

FILLYCHEESESTEAK:

Looks like Keanon Cooper won;t be blue. He's canceled his recruiting visit, saying he hasn't been contacted by RR yet (per Scout).

With less than 4 weeks to go, I'm ready to start hearing good news again.

Even hints about remote possibilities or contact with new recruits that haven't been on our radar. I'm ready.

A few members of the "Michigan Moffia" whom my dad work with, told him today that Pryor to Michigan is a "mortal lock"

Theres no way RR would've let Mallett leave that easily, if something was not in already in the plans...

How about Keanon Cooper of Dallas? A couple days ago, fillyCheese offered up that he would be committing soon.
But according to Cooper, RR has stiffed him. Cooper had also been heavily recruited by Kansas State, and received the cold shoulder from them as well. I wonder if he has some "issues"? It looks like he may end up at Minnesota.

Here's atidbit from Rivals, Jethro:

Had a lot of questions, so thought I would rehash a few things here:

First, no official visitors this weekend. There are three official visit weekends left after this and they'll have guys coming in each week. Bushell and JT Floyd are supposed to be in on the 18th. Jaron Brown and Nick Perry are talking about the 25th and Pryor has said Feb. 1. Obviously there will be more names coming in those weekends and when those are firmed up, we'll let you know.

When Pryor comes in, expect them to also bring in some of the o-lineman and other prospects who will surround him in that offense who have not made their official visits yet. Kind of reminds you of the old Isotoner Dan Marino commercials ("Protect the hands that protect you"), doesn't it?

That brings me to Keanon Cooper. Despite the article today, I don't believe Michigan is done with Keanon Cooper. The coaches have been going through recruiting meetings all week this week and I expect someone gives him a call here very soon. When they do, I expect Michigan to be right back in the thick of things again. Down in Orlando he was talking up the Wolverines to everyone who would listen and gave many the sense that an on-visit commitment was not only possible, but likely.

Also, spoke to Mike Martin tonight and I'll put an article on him out first thing in the morning. It will pull many of you back from the ledge.

Dead period ends this weekend and coaches will be back on the road next week. Pryor's school will get hit up first thing Monday, rest assured on that. Also, recruiting for the class of 2009 will start in earnest next week, but we'll leave out some of the players being visited until after signing day or until they become public knowledge.

I spoke with DJ Woods for a little bit Tuesday night. He was studying for midterms and his dad would like him to hold off on interviews until at least next week, but he did say that a decision would be coming very soon from him. He also said, "I'm scared to commit anywhere because everywhere I go, the coach leaves me."

Don't know if it has been mentioned here, but UM is said to be thinking about Star Jackson, an Alabama committ, as in maybe someone from his camp gave them a call;
And on Scout, the lads are hyping BJ Daniels, a 4 star QB.
Remember, RR says he wants two QB's in this class.

Threet is getting a lot of love, though. It isn;t at all doom and gloom as far as it is concerned if UM get's rejected by TP or any other QB this year.

Jethro:

Here's some info on the possibilities for coaches and where they will recruit (From Scout)

Most of the country seems to be easily covered by the new-U-M staff, as far as recruting areas ... not all tho ... let's take a look...

OC Calvin MaGee -- recruited the South for WVA ...

QB Coach Rod Smith -- recruited Pa. for WVA.

OL Coach Grey Fry -- recruited Fla. for WVA

WR Coach Tony Dews -- recruited Detroit for WVA ... has recruited the West as well.

Jay Hobson ... a MS boy born and bred ... IMO he's going to have recruited the South?

Bruce Tall ... recruited Ohio for WVA

That leaves outstate Michigan, Indiana/Illinois/Wisconsin, the East, the ACC, the West Coast ... plus Texas

Scot Shrader ... if he turns out to be a U-M coach... coached at NIU, Indiana and WMU ... and is from Ohio. He could certainly (hypothetically of course) take outstate Michigan and Indiana/Illinois/Wisconsin.

Where would that leave Coach Jackson? The ACC and Texas perhaps? IMO he could do well there, or anywhere ...

Not sure what to make of the West ... Tony Gibson? He's recruited many parts of the country we're told ...

Turkish Prisons...bukdow

Seems like a lot of Southern emphasis??? That'd be interesting ... certainly that's where the talent is

A few members of the "Michigan Moffia" whom my dad work with, told him today that Pryor to Michigan is a "mortal lock"

Theres no way RR would've let Mallett leave that easily, if something was not in already in the plans...

That would be awesome news.

One last bit of info from Scout:

Not big in words, but pretty fact-packed.

No one being interviewed today ... tomorrow tho ... stay tuned. *MORE* RR just said on the Huge show at 3 PM this (Thurs) afternoon ... guy coming in late today ... we were told interview tonite or tomorrow ... another one coming in for interview tomorrow.**

Another recruiting day today -- THAT's the focus. And it's a whirlwind!

U-M on the way to see Pryor and a certain Jackson... and who do you think they're sending? An 'ol recruiting genius, that's who ...

Also, watch for some possible-new WRs to be added to our BG list soon.

Also ... those 2 really-really-good VA Jr run-pass QBs from the Army Combine ( michigan.scout.com/2/717498.html ... and ... michigan.scout.com/2/717092.html ) ... their schools are going to get hit on the trip as well: Hampton Roads, Western Branch ... plus the schools of the NC linemen: Jack Britt and Kernersville

unless rod almighty is extraordinarilly honest, the only explanation for him being so open about RM, AA, and MM leaving is that he was advertizing job openings for us at QB and WR.

i dont believe for a sec that TP is a mortal lock yet. thanks for the rumor, but that just sounds like fan speculation to me. i doubt TP has come to a decision.

How about Keanon Cooper of Dallas? A couple days ago, fillyCheese offered up that he would be committing soon.
But according to Cooper, RR has stiffed him. Cooper had also been heavily recruited by Kansas State, and received the cold shoulder from them as well. I wonder if he has some "issues"? It looks like he may end up at Minnesota.


I read that too. Last week it seemed like a lock...now, I don't even think Michigan remains in the picture.

It still might be just a matter of RR calling him and making a pitch. I think the kid is a bit disillusioned right now. But a call and a visit, and he probably would be Blue.

Has anyone checked out the Sparties recruiting list so far?
Well, I have. Dantonio is not exactly having his way with recruits. Of course, the biggest coup is Fred Smith, followed by Tyler Hoover. The Sparties are loving Hoover, banking on him possibly leading to other recruiting steals. I say hogwash. The kid is a 3 star (Scout), and that's just not terribly impressive, especially when you look at the tight ends UM is bringing in.
Smith is a solid get, but they have NO other four stars, and the rest of the class breaks down like this:
Three Stars: six
Two Stars: nine
For all the shit Sparty has been spewing (NOT HERE, on other boards), I remain completely unimpressed with MSU football except that Dantonio was able to get them to win a few games they ordinarily would have lost, and they didn't get blown out all year.
MSU will lose Thomas, and a couple others for disciplinary reasons. So far, I have not heard if Ringer is going to declare. If they lose Ringer, it could be a very bad year in Lansing.
As it is, things probably aren't going to go well for them this year, and next year, unless Dantonio can charge up this recruiting class. Last year was not good, obviously it was his first year. That's two uninspiring classes in a row.
They still may be in the hunt for Nick Perry, but many on their Scout boards are not optimistic of landing him.

Ringer is still not a Senior? I thought he was a Senior 4 years ago.

At least one year of eligibility left.

Ringer has 0% shot of leaving, he is a 5'9 guy under 200 pounds with 2 knee surguries.

And MSU recruiting has been 'solid' this year, with the potential to become good(for MSU that is).

MSU has 1 4 star, 10 3 stars, and 5 2 stars, which isn't very impressive. Keshawn Martin and Tyler Hoover are very very good, 4 star kids IMO. Hoover is 6'7, 260+, and runs a 4.57; Keshawn Martin has SICK film, watch it on Rivals or Youtube.

There are a lot of pretty dang good kids that MSU has a good shot at. Mark Ingram is one, and we are the favorites. Perry has a shot at happening, no idea how much, Taylor Hill coming in this weekend and we have a great shot at him. Those are all 4 stars. Lots of other visits are going on, with kids who I think are pretty good, if not huge 'stars' guys. And rumor is 5 guys committed elsewhere are coming in this weekend, not sure who though.

Thanks DSC. I'm kinda wondering if Dantonio is hitting the recruiting trail and getting some results.
The Big Ten needs to get better, NOW, and MSU can be a part of that process.

Certain MSU guys I know are banking on getting BOTH Mark Ingram and Larry Caper next year. In fact, they believe Larry Caper wants to commit now, but is waiting until the current class gets wrapped up so he's not stealing their thunder.
Yeah, that would indeed be a great 1-2 punch, but you have to have something around it or people will stack the box.

I believe that when I see it.

However, a bunch of kids are on campus, so maybe some stars will start dropping in.

A new name that MSU is for sure in on - J'Marcus Webb **** JuCo OT.

A name that MSU(or UM) isn't for sure in on, but could have a great and surprising shot at - Zebrie Sanders - His top 3 were OSU, Florida, and Georgia; and all three just lost his spot(within a week, he got bent over and screwed), however - That means that he needs to look around - And he had legit offers from OSU, UGA, and UF - so the kid is BIG TIME and he is from Ohio.

Zebrie has been all over the place. I think at one point in time 8 different schools liked their chances with him. Perhaps he played around too much. Not sure if the new regime at UM has checked him out of not.

Glen Winston - 6'1, 213 pound, OLB(most likely) who runs a 4.4. 3 star according to Rivals. Low on offers as he only recently got grades(as in since the New Year).

Hey DSC, does Winston committing hurt the chances of landing Ingram at all or is Winston 100% playing LB? I would think with his size he would be a candidate to be the next Jehuu if MD wants the 1-2 punch.

Hey DSC, does Winston committing hurt the chances of landing Ingram at all or is Winston 100% playing LB? I would think with his size he would be a candidate to be the next Jehuu if MD wants the 1-2 punch.

Winston is playing LB unless he is forced to RB. And Ingram is closer to a Ringer role than a Jehuu one. I doubt this will affect him. However, Ingram went from ready to commit after his Bama visit to waiting til after coach visits. So that sucks.

BUCKEYE QUARTERBACK TRANSFERS: Could it impact No. 1 recruit Terrelle Pryor?

January 14, 2008
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Ohio State quarterback Robby Schoenhoft will transfer to Delaware, according to ESPN.

Once a competitor with Todd Boeckman for the Buckeyes' starting quarterback job, Schoenhoft moved to tight end for the national championship game.

Schoenhoft's shift from quarterback to tight end signified dual-threat quarterback Antonio Henton's rise up the depth chart. Henton, the team's No. 3 quarterback for most of the year, became the team's backup by year's end.

The move could play a role in Terrelle Pryor's recruitment. Pryor, the nation's No. 1 prospect according to Rivals.com, must choose his school by Feb. 6.

The Jeannette, Pa., native will pick between a handful of schools, most notably Michigan and Ohio State.

With Schoenhoft gone, the Buckeyes look closer to capitalizing on Ohio State coach Jim Tressel's promise to design the offense around a dual-threat quarterback, much like he did for former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith.

But Tress ain't a bad ass anymore!

How would a #3 QB transferring effect Prior's decision?

It's the Free Press. Anything they can do to help Ohio State.

Taylor Hill has just commited to the wolverines according to scout kinda suprised he takes a visit to little bro and than commits to the big brother the next day. I like it hes a seriously FAST linebacker.

Shhet! He's from Ohio, too!
TWINS: Good scoop.
Also, check out our great "Jethro UM football Thread", which is still undergoing construction, and renaming considerations. Tahoe has worked his ass off to build that thing, you might like it!

FUCK.

He visits MSU then goes to AA and commits. That sucks.

FUCK.

He visits MSU then goes to AA and commits. That sucks.

HA HA HA HA HA..........The best part is that he was supposed to go to AA, but never made it there so he committed without even stepping onto campus (at least that is the talk).

If it's a true rumor than someone oughta be asking "What in the hell did MD do to this kid while he was in town?"

JB Fitzgerald was there with him.
Maybe JB talked him into it.
Maybe JB told him he was decommitting to go somwwhere else, leaving a spot????

HA HA HA HA HA..........The best part is that he was supposed to go to AA, but never made it there so he committed without even stepping onto campus (at least that is the talk).

If it's a true rumor than someone oughta be asking "What in the hell did MD do to this kid while he was in town?"

The state mods claim he became a plan B due to lack of lateral movement(why he played DE in HS).

Also why he lost his Oklahoma offer when Stoop's brother coaches at Mooney.

I call SPIN, but at the same time there may be SOME truth.

Perry and Ingram will be at the Breslin tomorrow.

JB Fitzgerald was there with him.
Maybe JB talked him into it.
Maybe JB told him he was decommitting to go somwwhere else, leaving a spot????

Koger may have told his Go Blue(also was at MSU). Fitz is taking another visit, to OSU this time. So I doubt Fitz pressured him to UM. Might have said 'a spot is open' though.

With all the love Koger has been showing RR, why would MD even let the kid on campus? There was absolutely no way Koger was going to de-commit, so that's letting him behind enemy lines.

Koger may have told his Go Blue(also was at MSU). Fitz is taking another visit, to OSU this time. So I doubt Fitz pressured him to UM. Might have said 'a spot is open' though.

There's no confirmation of JB going to OSU yet. His only confirmed visit is Rutgers.
This is the time of year when Fan Anxiety takes over. No one is better than UM fans. Especially this year with a new hire.
I can see it now: Either RR lands Pryor, and gets to that magical number of 25 (and they all better be 4+ stars), or UM fans will be filling message boards with "This was a mistake, give us LLoyd back".
I'd say it's just time to tune out for awhile and wait until Feb 6.

Jethro: Why is Dantonio letting Koger on MSU's campus? Even if he doesn;t get a kid, he's got to get in a kids ear, spread the word. Maybe Koger has a football playin' friend, you know, one with a really nice personality...

So far Dantonio isn't doing shit with recruiting. Jackson was a get because at the time UM had 478 receivers. Ingram, if they get him, will be a legacy recruit. The biggie will be Perry, but not many people see that happening.
MSU is what MSU is. Dantonio isn't the personality they need to overcome their MSU-ness.
If I were Dantonio I'd load up with solid three stars that I could coach up and keep for four years, and snag the occassional big name or two every year. If you is a good coach, who knows? 33-6 at WVU with two BCS wins, and not a four star recruit in sight, right? Look what they just did to Oklahoma.

I'm sorry, in the above post I referenced a recruit named "Jackson" I'm having a brain problem this morning, and I of course mean the receiver Fred _______ out of Detroit.

Fred Smith

Pryor coming in this weekend it seems.

Stoops pulled the schollie supposedly because Hill wanted to look around and make visits. He wanted him.

Kroger wasnt there with Hill. Kroger was a sunday-monday visit.

Pryor coming this weekend is best. BooBoo be there. Moore coming in and a few others. Plus if they arent feeling Pryor after the visit, they can get onto star jackson the bama commit rather quickly. Applewhite left Bama and he was the one who recruit Jackson.

Art: Check out our new Jethro UM football Thread! It's great! And, MORE filling! Full of UM info for the discerning fan.

From TheWolverine-
Word is guys like Kenny Demens, Elliott Mealer, Rocko Khoury and possibly even, yes, J.B. Fitzgerald are all coming in on Saturday for unofficial visits to see the basketball game and hang with the recruits. Gotta love that......... It's serious time now.

I heard you'll have amazing seats for the game, Mood. I'll holla at you from the nosebleeds.

Does anyone know what LB prospects MSU has a real shot at landing? I hate all the last minute effort that is getting scrambled together, hopefully this bodes as a lesson for Coach D about not putting off the process and pressure on recruits until late........and what the hell happened to sparties Tre, and Bukdow?

and what the hell happened to sparties Tre, and Bukdow?

We have them in a warehouse in Livonia.

They will not be harmed unless you can't come up with the $25,000 in cash.

If you try to call the cops, all bets are off.

Glenn: doing it the ski mask way.

I just peeked in on the boys and I think we're going to need to split them up into seperate rooms. We offered to release them and they don't want to leave.

Zip's getting ready to force them to read this (http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11310) in hopes that they'll get the hell out.

Warehouse in Livonia = SpartanTailgate?

http://www.best-horror-movies.com/images/texas-chainsaw-the-beginning-tied-up.jpg

bball1 - be careful of who you trust. Truth is there are two bodies in that warehouse but only one has a pulse. They need two LIVING Sparties to produce the formula. They didn't factor in the likelihood of Tre killing bukdow.

Maybe. bukdow hates Tre.

bukdow hates breathing.

Ok, get back to talking about recruiting young kids. Sickos.

Yes, I vant to hear about those unsupervised "in home visits".

Prediction - between UM and MSU there are three new verbal commitments this weekend.

Does anyone know what LB prospects MSU has a real shot at landing? I hate all the last minute effort that is getting scrambled together, hopefully this bodes as a lesson for Coach D about not putting off the process and pressure on recruits until late........and what the hell happened to sparties Tre, and Bukdow?

We are after Perry(as a LB/DE), J. Smith(as a LB/DE, but more OLB), Rolf(a 3 star with an offer from Oregon and a few others, considered likely to MSU), Fleming(6'4 kid from Ohio who needs to put on some lbs, but is big and fast), and there might be a couple others that I'm not able to name right now.

We might be getting in on Beckford again too.

Oh yeah, Lekenawic(sp?) Haynes a big fast kid from Texas too.

You cannot, under any circumstances, recruit a kid named "Lekanawic". Even Sparty has to draw the line somewhere.

Sounds Polish.

You cannot, under any circumstances, recruit a kid named "Lekanawic". Even Sparty has to draw the line somewhere.

He's a 6'4 black guy who is 215 and runs a 4.46. It is actually Lekenwic.

And we already had SirDarean, you have Mister, a kidd who spells Dan with 2 n's, we have Ogmendi and J'Michael, LSU has a T Bob, if you want retarded names, they are in football.

T Bob...are you shitting me?

T-Bob Hebert...ridiculous.

T-Bob Hebert...ridiculous.

I used to picture linemen as a fat white guy named Bubba and he lived in some state like Nebraska, or rural Alabama. That became T Bob now. Seriously, T-Bob, doesn't that sound like a 6'5 300 pounder who can't say a real name. "Me T-Bob. Me hun-gee. Me get angry."

Do you know how many 6'4 215 lbs black guys named Lekekwck asses I've kicked? None.

Edit: I have a general rule of thumb: MSu recruits guys named LKWNCKWMNC and then Michigan kicks their ass, and then they fire their coach every four years.

I used to picture linemen as a fat white guy named Bubba and he lived in some state like Nebraska, or rural Alabama. That became T Bob now. Seriously, T-Bob, doesn't that sound like a 6'5 300 pounder who can't say a real name. "Me T-Bob. Me hun-gee. Me get angry."

I like you DSC. Stick around.

Do you know how many 6'4 215 lbs black guys named Lekekwck asses I've kicked? None.

Edit: I have a general rule of thumb: MSu recruits guys named LKWNCKWMNC and then Michigan kicks their ass, and then they fire their coach every four years.

Zip, how about 6'4 215 black guys in general?

I like how MD is looking hard at speed. He is going after like 5 6'4 LB's that run 4.4-4.5 times(Smith, Rolf, Haynes, Fleming, and we already have Stevens).

And considering last years freshmen, I think MD is making this team a lot better - 3 stars Wilson, Rucker, and Jones were all studs. Rucker was our top CB IMO, and Jones was a Freshman AA.

I don;t understand why you don't put this in your DSC MSU Football Thread. This is great info, and it belongs in that hread which is a Sparty thread.

DSC:

Serious question here. I know the Sparties need hope for their football team. But how are we supposed to get excited over Dantonio at this point? Right now MSU recruiting is ranked 55th in the country, and in the Big Ten, they only outrank Northworstern. How, HOW is he making them better?

DSC:

Serious question here. I know the Sparties need hope for their football team. But how are we supposed to get excited over Dantonio at this point? Right now MSU recruiting is ranked 55th in the country, and in the Big Ten, they only outrank Northworstern. How, HOW is he making them better?

My general rule is that Rivals has better Football ranking and Scout better BBall, so I'm considering MSU 7th in the B10, and has some upward potential(we still have 7-8 spots).

Trust in MD's ability to spot talent and finish is required, but I'm questioning a couple things. He turned down Darius Darks and Morgan Carter because of Trawick filling the safety spot. But I'm not convinced that Trawick(or Carter) will stay at safety. And why not get an extra DB this year, pick up a talented guy at a position you are deep at before some POS at a position of need. A POS is a POS, you can put a talented guy out of position and he will be a POS at that position, but good at his real position. A POS guy sucks at every position.

I'm pumped about Winston and Martin as guys who could overperform their rank by a lot. But I don't like the Miles White pickup much, if we put the full court on Brandon Green or MarQueis Gray(4 star WR and 4 star QB) they would likely have come, definitely in Gray's case. But we passed because we 'weren't signing a QB', and Green had a friend get in at Minny. People have said grades too. But too the F bad, if they qualify it is great for us, and if they don't, it helped our recruiting ranking and we pull them out of Prep like the SEC. MD also said he 'wouldn't recruit committed kids' to Jonas Gray. That is retarded if true. I'm hoping it was a slowplay in order to focus on Ingram, but how can MSU 'pass' on a top 100 kid.

MD has been passing on too many talented(based on offers and ranking) kids, he better be good as hell at evaluating talent. But at the same time, he picked up Eric Smith from Harvard and Smith was a 3rd rounder, and we had a ton of help from the frosh this year.

(will post in the MSU thread too)

The tough thing is you're losing Saint Dic, Caulcrick, Thomas, Davis, Adams and Warrick and replacing them with these guys. It would be one thing if you were replacing marginal talent with marginal talent, but you're not.

Check this weak shit by Urban Neyer out. He's definitely a fag. No wonder his daughter is blowing everyone in Florida!
January 19, 2008
By Mike Strom

LSU's top-rated football recruit, cornerback Patrick Johnson of Blanche Ely High School in Pompano Beach, Fla., said he still plans to join the Tigers even though he was unable to begin school this week as expected after his ACT score was flagged by the NCAA at the request of Florida Head Coach Urban Meyer.

Johnson, the nation's top-rated defensive back and No. 2 overall defensive prospect by Rivals.com, said he took the ACT again Thursday and is awaiting results in hope of registering for the spring semester by the deadline next Thursday.

"I'm still coming to LSU," Johnson said Friday via telephone from his Pompano Beach home. "(ACT officials) are trying to get me out and get everything cleared up. I was good to go regardless. I just had to take it again for the writing portion."

Johnson said he took the ACT three times before Thursday, scoring 22 in October after 16s on his first two.

Johnson said Florida had no problem with his academic eligibility when he first scored his ACT. It wasn't until after he decided to attend LSU that Urban Meyer had one of his assistant coaches contact the NCAA. ACT officials subsequently reviewed his test results at their request and "flagged" his October score.

"I'm not upset, Urban is" Johnson said. "Florida made an issue about the ACT score. They're cowards. He had to go behind my back when things didn't go his way. But that's OK. What goes around comes around. We play them this year (on Oct. 11 at Florida)."

Johnson, who committed to LSU on Jan. 5, had expected to arrive in Baton Rouge by Wednesday to begin taking classes and participate in spring practice with an eye toward earning a spot on the two-deep depth chart.

If Johnson does not meet Thursday's registration deadline, he still can sign with LSU on Feb. 6, national signing day, in anticipation of joining the Tigers in the fall.

"Everything is going to be cleared up," Johnson said.

Urban is a DBag. He'll make shit up, try to manipulate players to hurt his rivals, negatively recruit with the best of them, and on and on.

That's why you bang his daughter.

Not the only reason, obviously.

That's why you bang his daughter.

Not the only reason, obviously.

That's why you shoot a load in his daughter's face. Banging her is for the obvious reason, but the rest is to let her know that her daddy is a huge d-bag.

Maybe you t-bag her just for fun too.

So does this thread get sent out to pasture on Feb 6?

I think it's the most replied to thread in WTF history, not sure.

Andrew Maxwell....the mainpoint focus of quarterback recruiting for 09 for the spartans. Who the hell is that and why doesn't Dantonio shoot for somebody higher? Saginaw area people, is this kid any good?

Andrew Maxwell....the mainpoint focus of quarterback recruiting for 09 for the spartans. Who the hell is that and why doesn't Dantonio shoot for somebody higher? Saginaw area people, is this kid any good?

I'm Saginaw and I've never heard much of him. Midland went to the State championship and lost to MLK, but I thought it was on the strength of their running game.
Mike Schaaf is the better QB in the area, but two problems. 1 - he's a UM fan. 2 - he may not play college football unless a school lets him play both football and baseball.

So does this thread get sent out to pasture on Feb 6?

I think it's the most replied to thread in WTF history, not sure.

There will be reaction for a few days and some speculation on which signees will get freshman PT, but otherwise it slowly fades away and the class of 09 thread takes off.

I'm Saginaw and I've never heard much of him. Midland went to the State championship and lost to MLK, but I thought it was on the strength of their running game.
Mike Schaaf is the better QB in the area, but two problems. 1 - he's a UM fan. 2 - he may not play college football unless a school lets him play both football and baseball.

Shit thanks...that's what I thought.

Andrew Maxwell....the mainpoint focus of quarterback recruiting for 09 for the spartans. Who the hell is that and why doesn't Dantonio shoot for somebody higher? Saginaw area people, is this kid any good?

He's pretty good, no idea how good though. Got his team to the state championship, and beat Nichol's little bro. Has been getting a little hype since this past summer, but not as much as Schaaf.

Regarding Maxwell --

I've seen him in person and I've also seen Adam Follet (from Alma/committed to Indiana) and right now I'd say that Follet is a better QB, but Maxwell has another year to go in his development. I think he has good potential, but I don't know if I'd say he has great potential. He moves well for his size, but isn't exactly a burner or anything. Has a strong arm, but once again with his size I think he can definitely improve in that area.

I think he fits the MD system, but I don't think he is anything to drool over at this point.

BTW, everyone who said that Mikey is better than Maxwell was very correct. Mike is head and shoulders above Maxwell and would be a HUGE get if they somehow lured him away from his baseball career.

By the way, anyone interested in Schaaf info needs to know he also has some big weaknesses - though his upside is great.
Biggest weaknesses - forcing plays and throwing the occasional sidearm pass.

But his deep ball is amazing.

I'm going to be interested to see what type of player RR recruits while at UM.
Defensively, I can't see much changing. You have to have big, strong, quick defensive lineman, fast linebackers, and Dbacks who can cover. And you got to recruit (or teach) guys to make sure tackles and stay disciplined, yad yada yada

But surely Um will not recruit the pocket passers, and what about receivers? Does UM continue to go after, and get the Manninghams, terrells, Braylons, Arringtons??? Or is it going to be a bunch of 5'10 speedsters? What about tight ends?
Does RR come to UM thinking run, run, then pass? We've seen his spread at WVU. It was run, run, run, pass. What would it be with Pryor?

I don't think there are answers yet. Much has been made of the "type of recruit Michigan gets"---but let's face it, Lloyd went out and got that type of recruit, unles you believe that Lloyd's recruits were mostly guys who wanted to go to UM in the first place.

Do you guys see a drastic shift in UM recruiting style?

Here's an interesting bit from some of our "Lil Bro" fans at SpartanNationRag:

http://www.spartannation.com/

2008 Spartan Nation Michigan High School Top 20 By Mike the Governor Henne

Today we announce the first annual Spartan Nation Michigan High School Football Top Twenty. Hondo and I have reviewed game film and have spoken to various individuals throughout the state about the prospects we have listed below. The 2008 state of Michigan recruits are a strong overall class with the top twenty all having truly star potential. The asterisk after their position denotes that the player is the top prospect at their given position in the state. We do not give players “stars” or numerical rankings, just their talent versus their peers in the state of Michigan. This process as most of you know is not an exact science; remember that we are ranking high school kids. Anything can happen throughout 4-5 years of college football. We hope that you enjoy our insight.

1. Nick Perry, 6’4” 240 lbs, OLB* / DE, (uncommitted) Detroit MLK The battle for Michigan’s top recruit appears to be going down to the wire. MSU was thought to be the team to beat for Mr. Perry’s services, but USC has made a late push for the star linebacker and it will likely be a recruiting dogfight until signing day. He is lightening fast and gets to the quarterback with ease. He is the best pure defensive prospect from the state of Michigan since Lamarr Woodley. He will likely play early wherever he goes. Signing day prediction: MSU

2. Kenny Demens, 6’1” 225 lbs, OLB, Michigan, Detroit Country Day Kenny is an outstanding linebacker with excellent closing speed. He is one of the fastest players in a 10-yard box. Demens will likely play OLB at Michigan and has the physical tools to create match-up problems on the edge. He will remind many of the Wolverine faithful of Ian Gold. He will find his way to the field early as he is physically mature and has good football instincts.

3. Fred Smith, 6’3” 210 lbs, WR*, MSU, Detroit Southeastern Smith may be the best all around athlete in the 2008 class. Fred possesses 4.4 speed in the forty and will likely play an extensive role in Mark Dantonio’s offense as a true freshman. In addition to being a big receiver, Smith is a legitimate basketball talent. The verdict is out whether Smith plays both sports at MSU, but certainly has the athleticism to be one of the best receivers to wear a green jersey. He will be a “jump-ball” mismatch in the endzone.

4. Dan O’Neill, 6’8” 295 lbs, OT*, Michigan, Grand Haven The Jake Long comparisons have already hit the message boards and rightfully so. O’Neill is an oak tree that has yet to grow completely into his 6’8” frame. He is the type of tackle that is suited to “old-school” smash mouth football. It is going to be very interesting to see how O’Neill fares in M-Rod’s spread option. O’Neill is the perfect tackle to play in a power-I offense with a traditional Ryan Mallett type of drop back passer. How will the new Michigan offensive system accommodate Dan O’Neill?

5. Mike Martin, 6’2”, 280lbs, DT*, Michigan, Detroit Catholic Central Martin is Mr. Motor. He is running on all cylinders all of the time. He is the perfect interior DL and will wreak havoc on opposing centers and guards. He is physically mature and strong as a bull. He is one of those guys that will fit any defensive scheme and has a knack for creating interior piles. He is outstanding after first contact and has the ability to take the interior running game away from opponents. Mike Martin will be a star.

6. Tyler Hoover, 6’7”, 265lbs, DE*, MSU, Novi Hoover may be the most impressive physical specimen in the 2008 class. At 6’7”, Hoover is a mismatch for opposing offenses. Hoover’s early enrollment at MSU will likely land him in the two-deep at DE after the spring game. It is rumored that Hoover has run a sub-4.6 forty at more than one summer football camp. His size makes him a natural on the edge to take QB passing lanes away and should have his share of tipped passes and sacks.

7. Mark Ingram Jr., 5’10”, 205 lbs, RB* / ATH (uncommitted), Flint SWA The old saying is speed kills. Well, Mr. Ingram has speed to burn. He is one of the fastest men on both the track and the football field. Ingram Jr. is the top running back prospect in the state of Michigan and has the ability to play a variety of positions at the next level. Ingram is keeping his recruitment open with multiple schools still firmly in the mix. Ingram is physically mature and will likely play early wherever he goes. Signing day prediction: MSU

8. Charles Burrell, 6’0” 205 lbs, SS* / ATH, MSU, Detroit Southeastern Burrell did most of his damage in high school running the football and throwing passes to teammate Fred Smith. Burrell will play safety at MSU and his game film quickly shows you why. Even when Burrell is handling the ball on offense he is a physical player that likes to create contact. MSU will likely get him on the field early as a safety and a special teams player. Burrell may be the most underrated player by recruiting services in the state of Michigan.

9. Deon’tae Pannell, 6’5”, 300 lbs, OL, Penn State, Birmingham Groves Pannell is a big rangy offensive lineman that has the athleticism to play both guard and tackle. Will likely redshirt in Penn State’s system and play extensively as a redshirt sophomore. His versatility makes him a ‘can’t miss’ on the recruiting trail. Like all offensive lineman, he must get bigger and stronger. He will do both as a five-year player at PSU. He is arguably the most nimble OL in the state for his size.

10. Jonas Gray, 5’10” 205 lbs, RB, Notre Dame, Detroit Country Day Most recruiting services had Jonas as the top player in the state before the season started. His stock went down his senior year and his recruitment was that of a rollercoaster ride. Gray looked to be an MSU lock early and then committed to Nebraska. The coaching change in Lincoln gave Gray a change of heart and opted to play closer to home. Charlie Weiss will give Gray an opportunity to carry the ball. Gray is a powerful running back that is lethal running straight ahead. He is a little elusive, but not shifty like Javon Ringer. Jonas reminds me a lot of Little-John Flowers.

11. Boubacar Cissoko, 5’8” 175, CB*, Michigan, Detroit Cass Tech Cissoko is probably the most overrated player in the state. I believe that Boubacar’s early commitment to Michigan guaranteed him a place among the elite names with recruiting services. He is currently the best defensive back in the state, but others will likely prove to be better over their four years as Cissoko is only 5’8” tall. Look for wide receivers like Fred Smith to exploit Cissoko’s size in the coming years. To Cissoko’s credit, he has excellent change of direction and has natural ability to close on the football. If Cissoko can make up for his lack of size, he will be star. I just don’t think he is the next Charles Woodson waiting in the wings. We shall see.

12. Caulton Ray, 5’9”, 185 lbs, RB, MSU, Birmingham Brother Rice Ray is a scat back with quick feet and that extra gear that allows him to turn the corner. Caulton is a good athlete and could play both offense and defense. He will likely redshirt if he is to remain a running back. Ray has been timed at 4.4 seconds in the forty and runs well in traffic. He will need to get bigger and stronger and should be a finished product at 200 pounds.

13. Ethan Ruland, 6’4” 265 lbs, OG, MSU, Lake Orion Let me start out by saying, I love this kid’s film. He is exactly what MSU needs in their system at offensive guard. Ruland will get a redshirt and a diet of protein while at MSU. He has solid footwork and is notorious for putting his man on the ground. He will need to get bigger and stronger and will probably play OG for MSU between 290 and 300 pounds. Has solid technique, plays low to the ground and enjoys the game. Could see playing time as a RS freshman.

14. Rocko Khoury, 6’6”, 280 lbs, OL, Michigan, Traverse City West Khoury is another kid that I really like. Possess a large frame with room to grow. In addition to having the coolest name (Rocko) in the 2008 class, Khoury has the ability to play both guard and tackle. I am going to go out on a limb and say that Wolverine fans will ultimately see Khoury become one of the gems in their 2008 class. What Rocko does in the weight room in the next two years will have a huge impact on his development. He is likely to redshirt and should contribute in his third year.

15. Anthony Woods, 6’4” 315, OL, MSU, Melvindale Anthony Woods has a big body and a great deal of upside. He plays well as an offensive lineman in space picking up additional blocks downfield. Anthony will likely play offensive guard at MSU and will likely contribute in year three as a redshirt sophomore. Like all high school offensive lineman, Woods must learn to play with better technique and get bigger and stronger. Great program kid that will find his way into the rotation with solid coaching and a blue-collar work ethic.

16. Jonathan Dandridge, 6’1” 175lbs, DB, Minnesota, Highland Park Dandridge has that rare combination of size, speed and agility. He will likely play corner back at Minnesota and has the ability to become a prototype physical DB. Dandridge has room to add weight and will likely add 15-20 good pounds to compete with the physical receivers in the Big Ten.

17. Glenn Winston, 6’1” 215, LB / ATH, MSU, Detroit Denby Winston is a solid all around athlete. He is so valuable because he is so versatile. He will likely play OLB while at MSU. He has running back and safety speed and likes to create contact. As old George would say, “he’s just a football player.”

18. Keshawn Martin, 6’0”, 180 lbs, WR, MSU, Westland John Glenn Martin arrived on the recruiting scene late. He was not visible in summer camps and therefore went virtually unknown. MSU did an excellent job of evaluating Martin early and got a commitment from Keshawn before others started knock at his door. Martin is rumored to run a 4.4 forty-yard dash and catches the ball well in space. Will likely redshirt as a freshman.

19. Chris McDonald, 6’5”, 260 lbs, OL / DL, MSU, Utica Ford McDonald is one of those kids that belongs in a green uniform. He is a solid lineman that will likely end up on the offensive side of the football. He has been timed at under 4.7 seconds in the forty yard dash and could develop into a very diverse all around contributor on the offensive front. McDonald certainly has the ability to play on the interior offensive line. He has excellent footwork and could be a candidate to step out on the edge as a tackle. Once again, he must get bigger and stronger and will likely redshirt as a freshman.

20. Miles White, 6’0”, 160 lbs, WR / DB, MSU, Livonia Stevenson White is a solid all around athlete with decent hands and breakaway speed. He will likely redshirt as he needs to pack on some precious pounds to take a Big Ten beating. He could play, WR, DB, KR and PR. He is a cerebral kid with a ton of upside.

Honorable Mention: Cortez Smith, DB, 5’10” 195, Detroit, Indiana John Deyo, OL, 6’6” 260 lbs, Richland, MSU Trenton Robinson, DB, 5’10” 171 lbs, Bay City, MSU Adam Follett, QB*, 6’4” 200 lbs, Alma, Indiana Zach Hueter, OT, 6’7” 300 lbs, North Branch, CMU Jamie Simpson, RB, 6’0” 225 lbs, Dowagiac, WMU Brendan Kay, QB, 6’3” 230 lbs, Marine City, Cincy Shawn Hooey, OL, 6’7” 250 lbs, Hillsdale, Cincy

Ok, this guy clearly has some issues.
First, while many services have Boo Boo as one of the top 3 in the state, he has him at 11? He admits that he's the best DB in the state, but has him 3 spots behind another DB.
He also has questions about how O'Neil will fit in with UM's offensive scheme. Apparently he missed the fact that Grand Haven ran a spread offense patterned after what RR was doing at WVU.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that he continues to ignore the fact that Perry isn't talking MSU anymore.

Don't call Hondo a Spartan.

He makes the Beav look like a quality journalist, he is below Carty.

Sorry, you don't get to determine who is and is not a fan of Sparty. And besides, there aren't enough of you in the world that you can go and start tossing some under the bus.

Sounds like he's a Walmart Sparty.

Hondo is a moron!!!!! I love how he brings up Fred Smith exploiting Boo boo...Ask Smith how many catches he had this year against Boo Boo when Southeastern played Cass Tech and Boo Boo was on him the entire game.............................................. ..............................................
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It was Zero.....Friggin Idiot.....Ingram the best running back in the state? Sorry, It is Gray....

Ingram is the best RB in the state, and best future college product.

Here is rivals Michigan rankings


Rivals.com Michigan Top 30 2008 | Rivals.com Football Recruiting | last sorted on 1/24/2008
2008 Rank Pos Ht/Wt Schools
1 Boubacar Cissoko
Detroit (MI) Cass Tech DB 5-8/171 Michigan

Was one of the best players overall at the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.

2 Dann O'Neill
Grand Haven (MI) OL 6-8/291 Michigan

Proved he was one of the nation's best offensive tackles at the Under Armour All-Star Game.

3 Nick Perry
Detroit (MI) Martin Luther King DE 6-4/240 list

Impressed at U.S. Army All American Bowl despite playing out of position.

4 Jonas Gray
Detroit (MI) Country Day RB 5-10/213 Notre Dame

Rushed for 2,485 yards and 31 scores as a senior.

5 Fred Smith
Detroit (MI) Southeastern WR 6-2/207 Michigan State

Had 782 receiving yards and 9 touchdowns as a senior.

6 Mark Ingram
Flint (MI) Southwestern Academy ATH 5-10/195 list

Rushed for 1,700 yards and 24 scores as a senior.

7 Mike Martin
Novi (MI) Detroit Catholic Central DT 6-2/278 Michigan

Had 90 tackles and six sacks as a senior.

8 Kenny Demens
Detroit (MI) Country Day LB 6-1/224 Michigan

Do-it-all type player - had 112 yards receiving and 90 tackles and 15 tackles for a loss as a junior.

9 Tyler Hoover
Novi (MI) DE 6-7/265 Michigan State

Selected to the 2007 Dream Team all-state squad as a senior.

10 Charles Burrell
Detroit (MI) Southeastern DB 6-0/204 Michigan State

Caused a lot of damage on both sides of the ball as a senior.

11 Rocko Khoury
Traverse City (MI) West OL 6-6/280 Michigan

Recognized as a member of the all-state Dream Team as a senior.

12 Ethan Ruhland
Lake Orion (MI) Lake Orion OL 6-4/262 Michigan State

Recognized as a member of the all-state Dream Team as a senior.

13 Corey Johnson
Muskegon (MI) Muskegon WR 6-0/177

Qualifying issues have hurt his recruitment.

14 Keshawn Martin
Westland (MI) John Glenn WR 6-0/180 Michigan State

Blew up as a senior and might be the biggest sleeper in the Midwest.

15 Deon'tae Pannell
Birmingham (MI) Groves OL 6-5/300 Penn State

A three-year starter.

16 Cortez Smith
Detroit (MI) Cass Tech DB 5-10/193 Indiana

Developed into one of Michigan's top overall players with a masterful senior season.

17 Caulton Ray
Birmingham (MI) Brother Rice

Committed to Michigan State early in his senior season.

18 Anthony Woods
Melvindale (MI) Melvindale OL 6-4/305 Michigan State

Developed into a legitimate Big Ten offensive lineman as a senior.

19 Chris McDonald
Sterling Heights (MI) Utica Ford OL 6-5/260 Michigan State

Tremendously athletic offensive guard.

20 Glenn Winston
Detroit (MI) Denby ATH 6-1/213 Michigan State

Was one of the most dominating players in the Detroit PSL.

21 Anthony Hollis
Detroit (MI) Northwestern DB 5-9/165

Somebody will get a major steal in Hollis.

22 Jonathan Dandridge
Detroit (MI) Highland Park DB 6-1/175 Minnesota

Great physical tools make him a big steal for Tim Brewster.

23 Sam Gaymon
Detroit (MI) Renaissance WR 6-2/183 list

Helped his team to a Division II city championship.

24 Darrin Williams
Detroit (MI) Martin Luther King RB 5-6/156 Cincinnati

Smallish back is electric with the ball in his hands.

25 Trenton Robinson
Bay City (MI) Bay City Central DB 5-10/171 MichiganState

Also selected to the Dream Team all-state squad.

26 John Deyo
Richland (MI) Gull Lake OL 6-6/270 Michigan State

An early Michigan State commitment.

27 Brendon Kay
Marine City (MI) QB 6-3/229 Cincinnati

Earned all-area honors as a senior.

28 Bruce Horner
Birmingham (MI) Groves DB 6-1/175 Cincinnati

A hard-hitting safety prospect with good coverage skills.

29 Tre Bishop
Carleton (MI) Airport DE 6-4/240 list

Big-bodied defensive end that really gets after the quarterback.

30 Adam Follett
Alma (MI) Alma QB 6-4/201 Indiana

Earned all-region honors as a senior.

Ingram is the best RB in the state, and best future college product.

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Ingram is the best RB in the state, and best future college product.

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No tommy. Ingram plays better against better competition. Gray is good, Ingram is going to be great. Ingram is 10x more explosive, and he is bigger(size not weight), so he will be able to do better in between the tackles long term. Gray is a great north/south runner who falls in love with his juke too much(it isn't very good at all, but he is fast enough at this level that it can work), and is limited by his size.

Fred Smith will be a bust at MSU, Dantonio will misuse him and his four years will go unnoticed (a la Deon Curry, Terry Love)

If Ingram ends up at State he'll have better numbers than Gray.

Because he's the better prospect? Debatable.

Because he'll get far more opportunities given that there's less talent to steal carries from him? Absolutely.

I see Dantonio going hard after Michigan recroots, I mean the state of Michigan, and Dantonio going after alot of kids that ordinarily would end up at Cincinnati or Iowa State type programs.
I like the approach. If you can't get Filet Mignon, go after the Sirloin, and coach it up. It's an approach that could work for MSU and get them to the Wisconsin and Iowas level, and if he then can land three or four Big Timers every year, he'd have the makings of having a solid program year in and year out: IF he can "coach 'em up". I'm talking always having alot of juniors and seniors on the team that are the foundation of your program, and some flash here and there to add to it.

Whether you believe he's a phony bible thumping hypocrite or not, he did a solid job last year in building character into his team. MSU just may be on the way up.

I think Dantonio is the type of coach that would actually do well in the NFL. He knows x's and o's and has a solid system based on work and effort.
A guy like Pete Carroll was a failure in the NFL because he's not as great of a coach. He's just a guy that college kids like in a situation that college kids would love to be in who wins because his 5 star kid is better than you 3 star kid - and that applies to every single position player on his squad.

I think Dantonio is the type of coach that would actually do well in the NFL. He knows x's and o's and has a solid system based on work and effort.
A guy like Pete Carroll was a failure in the NFL because he's not as great of a coach. He's just a guy that college kids like in a situation that college kids would love to be in who wins because his 5 star kid is better than you 3 star kid - and that applies to every single position player on his squad.

Pete Carroll wasn't a failure in the NFL... 2 playoff appearances out of 4 years and an above .500 record after going 6-10 his first year.... Not too shabby

Dantonio is not an NFL head coach....throw that idea out the window right now Jethro...

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Dantonio is not an NFL head coach....throw that idea out the window right now Jethro...

HOW ABOUT TOM IZZO?

No tommy. Ingram plays better against better competition. Gray is good, Ingram is going to be great. Ingram is 10x more explosive, and he is bigger(size not weight), so he will be able to do better in between the tackles long term. Gray is a great north/south runner who falls in love with his juke too much(it isn't very good at all, but he is fast enough at this level that it can work), and is limited by his size.

Year in and year out I would agree about the conference strength..But this year, I dont agree...My opinion is DCC played a tougher schedule...Gray also carried his team to a state championship game...Say what you want but without Gray, this team does not make the playoffs....Ingram led his team to a 4-5 record....Mind you they did play 2 very, very good teams in Midland and Mt.Plesant

They also played Arthur Hill, who was 7-2 and very good this year. They were beating Midland in the playoffs until the coach abandoned the run and the QB threw 4 INT's in the 4th quarter.
Also, wasn't their record hurt by having to forfeit two games due to criminals playing?

They also played Arthur Hill, who was 7-2 and very good this year. They were beating Midland in the playoffs until the coach abandoned the run and the QB threw 4 INT's in the 4th quarter.
Also, wasn't their record hurt by having to forfeit two games due to criminals playing?

Yes, they did forefit 3 games....Im an idiot and forgot about that.:dildo: .....With that said, I still believe DCD played a tougher schedule....

HOW ABOUT TOM IZZO?


I'll give you Izzo, but I don't think he'll ever leave MSU, Everybody always talks about how Tom Crean is for sure going to be Izzo's successor, I don't see that happening, b/c I don't see Izzo leaving any time soon....

Wil, just remember: Pride Before The Fall.
also, 10 point lead before the choke

I don't keep up with recruiting, so.......


.....how's the class looking?

Year in and year out I would agree about the conference strength..But this year, I dont agree...My opinion is DCC played a tougher schedule...Gray also carried his team to a state championship game...Say what you want but without Gray, this team does not make the playoffs....Ingram led his team to a 4-5 record....Mind you they did play 2 very, very good teams in Midland and Mt.Plesant

4-5 was really 7-2. They forfeited 3 games that they did win. And they beat both those 'very good teams'. Southwestern would have done very well in the playoffs had they not been stupid enough to play an ineligible kid.

edit: I see this has been brought up already.

I don't keep up with recruiting, so.......


.....how's the class looking?

Well, WHO's class? And since you don;t keep up, why should we waste the time to tell you?
But since you asked, Michigan State has signed 23 five star recruits and 4 four star recruits.

Michigan, duh!

Why would I want to know about the DeVry of college football?

Here are the Big Ten recrooting rankins according to Scout right now:

Big Ten Rankings




Rk. School Commits Conf. Points Top
100

Off. Def. Sp.T. H.S. J.C. Avg.
Rat. Prv.
Rk.*
12. Ohio State 18 Big Ten 3334 8 5 6 6 9 8 1 18 0 3.83 12.
16. Illinois 26 Big Ten 3181 1 0 6 15 15 11 0 25 1 3.04 16.
17. Michigan 18 Big Ten 3058 4 1 12 4 11 7 0 18 0 3.72 17.
23. Wisconsin 23 Big Ten 2574 0 0 1 18 8 14 1 22 1 2.83 23.
27. Minnesota 28 Big Ten 2398 0 0 7 9 13 15 0 21 7 2.82 26.
28. Penn State 15 Big Ten 2307 2 0 10 2 7 8 0 15 0 3.40 27.
36. Purdue 24 Big Ten 2151 0 0 1 11 13 10 1 23 1 2.54 34.
42. Iowa 21 Big Ten 1907 0 0 0 13 8 12 1 20 1 2.62 42.
55. Michigan State 18 Big Ten 1385 0 0 1 7 11 7 0 18 0 2.50 55.
58. Indiana 19 Big Ten 1343 0 0 0 6 12 7 0 19 0 2.32 58.
72. Northwestern 15 Big Ten 1017 0 0 0 6 10 5 0 15 0 2.40 71.

The big number at the far left is the national rank. UM has slipped from 10th to 17th in the last couple weeks.

1 Ohio State 18 3 10 5 3.89 2,231
2 Michigan 18 0 14 3 3.72 1,825
3 Illinois 27 0 6 15 3.00 1,293
4 Minnesota 28 0 6 16 3.00 1,155
5 Penn State 15 0 5 6 3.07 835
6 Wisconsin 23 0 3 13 2.83 800
7 Michigan State 18 0 1 12 2.78 575
8 Iowa 23 0 0 13 2.57 428
9 Purdue 27 0 3 10 2.59 421
10 Northwestern 18 0 0 5 2.28 156
11 Indiana 19 0 0 4 2.21 77

Rivals' Rankings

Right now, Rivals ranks Michigan 13th, and MSU 43rd nationally.

Rivals recrooting rankings for the Big 11: National rank--school:

6. OSU
13. Michigan
19. Illinois
26. Minnesota
35. Penn State
37. Wisconsin
43. Michigan State
48. Iowa
50. Purdue
68. Northworstern
77. Indiana

Anyone know what the deal is with Devoe Torrence? He was once considered one of the better players in Ohio this year, his older brother is a freshman at OSU, and he was a commit - but now he isn't committed? Anyone know why?

By the way, I have to vent something. Many of these kids waiting until late in the day on Signing day or even later are messing with the lives of other kids. Example - Oregon has guys that are 4 stars to play QB. They'll sign their LOI's in the morning. If Pryor decides to go there, the kids could get screwed and they would have to sit out a year if they want to go get PT.
Someone mentioned Tyler Hoover and MSU. If Perry goes there, could Hoover get screwed out of PT?
I'm sure this isn't a new problem, but I'm guessing there are dozens of 4 star kids sitting around just wishing other guys would announce their intentions already so the dominoes could fall.

Just a rumor, but I heard that Torrence has some "issues" to get worked out. The rumor is that those issues might be legal and/or academic.

Are those similar to the "issues" BJ Daniels may have?

Just a rumor, but I heard that Torrence has some "issues" to get worked out. The rumor is that those issues might be legal and/or academic.

I've been reading up on the "sex scandal" at Massillion Washington High School and that just happens to be the school where Torrence goes so I'm going to guess that he may be involved. Clearly this is just pure speculation on my part and would be almost innapropriate for me to make such a claim, but it is odd that during this huge scandal he goes from one of the most loved and promising recruits that the Horseshoe captured to being out on his ass looking for a place to play football if thats the case.

Is he really being listed as uncommitted because I assumed he was still a Buckeye?

Buckeyes have also pulled their offer, filly.

You are right about that sex scandal thing, Torrence could be in alot of trouble, but at least right now even Tressel has backed off from him. Apparently, Torrence called RichGod himself and offered something like "Hey, I'm feeling UM all the sudden, baby!" and RichGod had to say, "Ummmm, lemme call you back in about 10 to twenty years".

It's got to suck to be his brother. First off, the two have parents with different names - I mean BOTH have different last names. That's the classic example of daddy didn't stick around long enough for us to get his name and now mommy's shaggin some other dude and we don't want his name. Next, he was set to get all sorts of PT when the bakers dozen put in their NFL paperwork. Then they backed out. No more PT. Then his brother is going to join him - a brother who went to a different HS than he did, no less - but the team yanks the offer because of an unpublished reason, but one that is potentially a serious scandal.
Bad few weeks for Devon. Yes, the brothers only have one letter separating their names.

Mick McCabe rates Michigan's Top 50 recruits from this year's class:

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080201/SPORTS09/802010393/1048

Mick McCabe rates Michigan's Top 50 recruits from this year's class:

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080201/SPORTS09/802010393/1048



No way Ingram is top 5 in the state...

Why does he have Jonas Gray so low?

A good thing is Rich Rod alraedy has Russell Sheppard from Texas and that Newton kid from Indiana lined up for next season if he can't land Terrelle Pryor...

Sheppard is already a 5 star

I get a good vibe when I hear about Russell, but it will be very hard to get him away from Mack Brown. Shep is a huge VY fan and Mack Brown has been preaching to him that he is the next VY and that Texas is the only place for him. I do know that RichRod stopped by to personally check him out early this week or late last week.

I would prefer Russell as he is a top 5 kid, but Newton would easily be a playmaker in our future zone read offense so I think it would be better to put more eggs in his basket based on location.

No way Ingram is top 5 in the state...

Why does he have Jonas Gray so low?

Umm... Yeah he should be. And Gray is low.

Ingram completely destroyed everyone he played.

I get a good vibe when I hear about Russell, but it will be very hard to get him away from Mack Brown. Shep is a huge VY fan and Mack Brown has been preaching to him that he is the next VY and that Texas is the only place for him. I do know that RichRod stopped by to personally check him out early this week or late last week.

I would prefer Russell as he is a top 5 kid, but Newton would easily be a playmaker in our future zone read offense so I think it would be better to put more eggs in his basket based on location.

Russell is expected to commit to Texas at their Junior day.

A good thing is Rich Rod alraedy has Russell Sheppard from Texas and that Newton kid from Indiana lined up for next season if he can't land Terrelle Pryor...

Sheppard is already a 5 star


I've read about Sheppard.. That's the kid who's Eddie George's cousin, right?

I see him at Texas... Newton? I know nothing of him..

You should have made a late push for Marqueis Gray. Looked like a stud at the AA game. And he would have come to MSU if we didn't cool early due to grades and coaches not wanting a QB (which pisses me off, as he is now supposed to qualify, and you get a QB every year), so I think UM could have a good shot.

From what I'm hearing, look for blazing speedster, 4 star WR, Terrence Robinson to announce for U-M technically tonight (Sunday evening) on the same show that Stonum and McGuffie announced on. We love Channel 2 in Texas!

From what I'm hearing, look for blazing speedster, 4 star WR, Terrence Robinson to announce for U-M technically tonight (Sunday evening) on the same show that Stonum and McGuffie announced on. We love Channel 2 in Texas!

Well, aren;t we Mr Hour late and a buck short.
Tahoe has been reporting to the world about T Rob for weeks now.
Thanks for participating.

By the way, I have to vent something. Many of these kids waiting until late in the day on Signing day or even later are messing with the lives of other kids. Example - Oregon has guys that are 4 stars to play QB. They'll sign their LOI's in the morning. If Pryor decides to go there, the kids could get screwed and they would have to sit out a year if they want to go get PT.

This is a very true but unforeseen consequence. I can only really shed light on Oregon's situation, but here I go...

As of right now, Oregon has four QBs: Justin Roper (the Sun Bowl hero), Nathan Costa (arguably the front-runner for 2008 starter), Cody Kempt and a BYU transfer named Cade Cooper. Oregon received a commitment from Texas athlete prospect Darron Thomas, a spread-option QB who's comparable to Dennis Dixon, and Thomas has enrolled at Oregon for winter quarter. Another Texas spread-option QB, Kelly Page, originally committed but then decommitted. He'll now attend Ball State. His decision to decommit came after Wichita, KS athlete Chris Harper (you guessed it...spread-option QB) committed to Oregon after decommitting from Kansas State. That leaves four sophomores and two freshman (excluding Pryor) all vying for the starting QB job at Oregon. And after Oregon used all five of its quarterbacks last year, don't think for a second Mike Bellotti isn't erring on the side of caution here.

A similar situation is occurring for the Ducks at running back. Oregon recently got a letter of intent signed by Mississippi JC RB LaGarrette Blount (compared to LenDale White) in a backfield that features Jeremiah Johnson (fresh off an ACL injury) and Andre Crenshaw. Before Blount, Oregon got a commit from a Cali RB named Kenjon Barner (I'm told he's Reggie Bush-lite, but I don't buy it till I see more). After Blount, Oregon snagged a big-time recruit in Texas RB LaMichael James (a 5-9 scatback). Oregon used three running backs quite often (especially since one of them would return punts), and now you have five talented running backs essentially vying for their spots. Bellotti's also on the trail of five-star prep back Enrique Davis, and rumors are flying that he could become the next Mike Bellotti Special on signing day.

So let's tie this back to Terrelle Pryor. Should Oregon sign Terrelle Pryor, it is widely believed that Darron Thomas would become a WR and Chris Harper (whose arm has come into question) would become a RB. And there is the possibility that Pryor DOESN'T win the job, which would shake up the charts even more. Essentially, if you lock up Terrelle Pryor, you're going to devote your starting QB position to one kid for three years, come what may. It's a big commitment and it WILL change the future of your program. How you handle that change sets you apart.

From Oregon's perspective, Terrelle Pryor would literally be gravy on top of a recruiting class some are calling on par with last year's (which was very good in and of itself). Getting Pryor would be nice, but Oregon already has several different scenarios working themselves out on the off-chance that Pryor commits elsewhere.

Personally, I've always held the belief that he was a Michigan lock, but lately I've come to think that my school really is in it. I guess I just have to wait until signing day to see how it really is.

Fuckin' double post.

thats just the way it goes.

i have a buddy who had lined up a real nice job out of school, only he was #2 on their list. #1 was actually a classmate of his, who had already be offered a better job. for whatever reason, the classmate took the lesser job and completely F'd over my buddy.

tough shit, thats life. it does suck but it happens. you cant just blame terrell pryor, its the whole system that screws the kids.

Well, aren;t we Mr Hour late and a buck short.
Tahoe has been reporting to the world about T Rob for weeks now.
Thanks for participating.

Sorry I don't have time to sift through all of the pages of posts here where 75% of them are meaningless posts by Zip that have nothing to do with recruiting to find the good stuff. Get your panties out of a bunch.

I repeat, you are the reason this forum and a large part of this site has gone to shit.

Wow, someone has a woody for me!

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Is that the original President Bush? If I pretend that pic wasn't badly doctored, I would think cotton-headed Barbara was gettin it buried.

Is that the original President Bush? If I pretend that pic wasn't badly doctored, I would think cotton-headed Barbara was gettin it buried.

Looks like Sharapova punching 41 in the nuts to me.

With that pony tail I was thinking Kournikova.

Two days until this thread is gone.

Anna K >>> Sharapova imo anyway.

Tahoe = the truth.

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I'll be right back.