Are we on a tape delay here?
That is some serious delay.

Congrats on Hoover. Dantonio's first four star player and he came from in-state, good place to start.

It's about fuckin time Dantoni Baloni.

Hoover to MSU - 4 star DE, HSer no less.

Happy Days are here again!

Michigan looses out on OL prospects in Pocic(Illinois) and Nix(Pitt). I really thought that Nix would end up in Maize and Blue.

Now that we've got Hoover, Hoover needs to get on the phone and get ahold of Nick Perry. If we could get a 4 star DE for each side of the line, that would be impressive. You can build a defense around that.











Jonas...Jonas....Jonas...Jonas...Jonas

Coach D, with Hoover, has now snagged 3-4 Star DL in his short tenure. Jeremiah out of Ohio, Mikiey Jordan and Hoover. Sweet!

Coach D, with Hoover, has now snagged 3-4 Star DL in his short tenure. Jeremiah out of Ohio, Mikiey Jordan and Hoover. Sweet!

No doubt man! After this season, the days of Spartan Football being a joke are over. I'm not saying they'll be the best in the BT right away. I'm just saying they will be no joke. Dantonio said he was going to field a tough, pro style, defensive team and his recruiting thus far is backing it up. He's snagged more high end defensive players in the past 6 months than JLS did in his entire tenure at MSU.

I am so excited to turn on the TV and be proud of my team. Disciplined, tough, defensive-that's all I ask for. Wins will eventually come.

Supposedly MSU is leading for:
Gray
Yancich
Demens
Perry
Smith
Ray
Ruhland

We'll see how this plays out, but we could have a fun next few days. I'm waiting till I see these names on the commit list though, we've gotten burned on these things in the past.

I dont know if MSU leads for Smith, but it will be a battle for Perry and Smith.

BTW while Hoover might want to play DE, word is that he might be more suited to OT rather than DE.

Michigan has not offered Demens, who is supposed to be (package????) with Gray. Packages seldom work out, but that is the word.

Ruhland a 3 star OL is likely to be State's next commit because he had already loved MSU and now he finally got an offer.

From Rivals:

"I just left 7-on-7 and Fred Smith had just arrived with his family. Smith and a group of six or seven family members were getting the grand tour of Michigan State. Sources at Smith's high school indicate that Michigan State is the leader over Michigan."

Sounds great but I'll believe it when I see the L.O.I. signed.

From Rivals:

"I just left 7-on-7 and Fred Smith had just arrived with his family. Smith and a group of six or seven family members were getting the grand tour of Michigan State. Sources at Smith's high school indicate that Michigan State is the leader over Michigan."

Sounds great but I'll believe it when I see the L.O.I. signed.

Agree, but the taking the family on a tour says a lot to me.

Lets hope.

Supposedly MSU is leading for:
Gray
Yancich
Demens
Perry
Smith
Ray
Ruhland

We'll see how this plays out, but we could have a fun next few days. I'm waiting till I see these names on the commit list though, we've gotten burned on these things in the past.

You give me that group of athletes on MSU's commitment list and I'm not only on that MD bandwagon, I'm steering it.

From Rivals:

"I just left 7-on-7 and Fred Smith had just arrived with his family. Smith and a group of six or seven family members were getting the grand tour of Michigan State. Sources at Smith's high school indicate that Michigan State is the leader over Michigan."

Sounds great but I'll believe it when I see the L.O.I. signed.

Fred Smith has been a UM fan since he was little, according to Jethro Braylon Edwards is his idol, and he's been considered a UM lock for a long, long time. His quotes kindof back that up as well.

However, I haven't given up on Smith and if he commits to State over Michigan that would be one giant recruiting victory. Not because of how good he is, I think he'll be a very good possession receiver (not a star). But because of the situation and the fact that it would be another recruiting win for Dantonio over Carr.

I'm not betting on it though. The family thing shows he's seriously considering. But I'll believe it when I see it and if I see it I'll be celebrating.

What I hear is that Smith did not commit this weekend.

It will be a summer decision and UM is in fine shape with him. MSU is not out of it at the least.

McGuffie is getting pushed back to July. Same crap that has kept him from coming up for the last 4 weeks. Something to do with his family, but it has no bearing on him being Blue.

Something is in the air over at scout board. Tom is smiling and we dont know why.

Hey Art -- Did you figure out what Tom was smiling about by chance or why there were three different Sunday Night blogs???

I'm telling ya, it's nothing but a Doc Tre hunch but the more the McGuffie thing waits out the worse. Not trying to be negative and maybe I'm off, but I think UM has to get him now if they want him.

Fred Smith visited with a huge group of family members, the rumors were out there that he committed to MSU. The rumors seem to be untrue or at least it is being kept under wraps so that he can announce it when he'd like to. Who knows?

Scout is saying that Yancich, 4 star LB is going to be State's next commitment, but according to Rivals, they aren't in the Top 3. ??? Scout mentioned Yancich's myspace page. So I typed it in real quick and he's got a Spartan background all over his page. This would be a major commitment on the defensive side of the ball again. Let's hope there is something to this myspace thing.

I am not worried about McGuffie at this point.

Glenn Winston is having his film evaluated and if he gets an offer, should be Blue, which in turn will help even more with Smith.

Been rumored that Izzo is trying to help land Smith by saying he can play hoops at MSU too. Only problem is, where would Smith get playing time. Rumor also has it that Smith can ball, but not with the talent that MSU has and has got coming in.

As far as the smiling part.....Tom wouldnt say because if it came out, Tom wouldnt be smiling. I have no clue what that means, part of the reason I would love to kick Tom's ass now and then though.

I'm telling ya, it's nothing but a Doc Tre hunch but the more the McGuffie thing waits out the worse. Not trying to be negative and maybe I'm off, but I think UM has to get him now if they want him.

Fred Smith visited with a huge group of family members, the rumors were out there that he committed to MSU. The rumors seem to be untrue or at least it is being kept under wraps so that he can announce it when he'd like to. Who knows?

Tre, you make a good point, but its also a contrast to the Smith thing. All the sudden Smith is hot on MSU after a visit and a little pat on the ass and a bite on the earlobe from The Izzo. Then the rumors start flying, and....maybe he commits, then recommits, then...
As for McGuffie: It's kind of the opposite: Maybe he's getting other visits out of the way, maybe he visits UM last, and that leaves the biggest impression. Of course, maybe Mack Brown is sending over a steady stream of hookers, and maybe Rick Barnes is whispering in McGuffie's ear.

McGuffie was all set to take a bus up to AA last week, but it got scuttled and it might be some time next month he comes up with his dad.

I am not 100% sure on what the hold up is, but I do know that it is not Sam himself.

Scout message boards say Yancich commits on Tuesday.

Scout message boards say Yancich commits on Tuesday.

Commits to State or he's just announcing on Tuesday?

I honestly didn't know much about this kid, but now that I've looked into it, I really really want him to commit to State. He's a religious kid which I like, says he idolizes Jesus, his Dad, and AJ Hawk. If that isn't a dream combo for a linebacker I don't know what is. He's impressively built and can fly. I don't get it though, the myspace thing and scout says it's all MSU. But, Rivals which I trust much more says it's between Penn State, West Virginia, and Pitt.

McGuffie situation still fluid. He is working his butt off to get up to AA, especially since Mallett's B-day is coming up.

Shit, Khoury to Michigan, I thought he would go to State due to the fact that he would be a player higher up the depth chart than at Michigan. Good luck kid.

Shit, Khoury to Michigan, I thought he would go to State due to the fact that he would be a player higher up the depth chart than at Michigan. Good luck kid.

I was hoping we'd be able to lock him up too. Good get for UM.

Hopefully this means Pannell to MSU is a lock.

I'm guessing that State will get both Pannell and Ruhland which would be two good pickups for them.

I like Michigan's offensive line recruiting so far.........2 tackles and 2 guards and they are all BIG. The thing I like most about Khoury is that he was willing to fight for his offer because he believed enough in himself. I think it shows a hell of a lot of character when a player sets a goal and works 110% toward it.

P.S. I admire Jonas Gray for this as well whether he decides to be blue or green!!!

Maybe news - Mike Martin 26 reps of 225, and he might be on steroids. Really, not trying to flame here, but that's what I heard from some kids who were at the UM camp(with reasons to back it up). Could just be jealousy of Martin being an ox though.

Mike Yancich announcement today right? Man, I can't wait. I hope State gets this guy. They need linebackers big time, 4 star, 4.47 speed. C'mon Mike, choose State!

Shit, Khoury to Michigan, I thought he would go to State due to the fact that he would be a player higher up the depth chart than at Michigan. Good luck kid.

Im honestly stunned. I for sure thought he was going to State.Solid pick up for Michigan. Will have to work his butt off to see playing time

Gray has named MSU as his leader still.

Maybe news - Mike Martin 26 reps of 225, and he might be on steroids. Really, not trying to flame here, but that's what I heard from some kids who were at the UM camp(with reasons to back it up). Could just be jealousy of Martin being an ox though.

I think we can safely assume that most of these kids are into some sort of "enhancement". There is just no other reason for an 18 year old kid to be 6'5 and weigh 300 lbs unless he's a total fat ass. Just my opinion, but if we want to go around thinking that it's all just because they work out alot and eat their blueberries and drink protein shakes, that's pretty naive.

C'mon Yancich I have a good feeling about this one....:)

Stonum is announcing soon and McGuffie not too far behind. Both are sunny side of 50%. And if anyone remembers Tom's percentages anything above 50.1 is just waiting for the player to make it offical to the world.

Big news from Kenny Demens, the 4 star LB out of Country Day who is a package deal with Jonas Gray. Demens said that he thought he'd announce mid season where he was going to school, but after this weekend at MSU, he really wanted to commit right there to State. He said State is his leader and he really wants to be there. Unfortunately, he still said that he'll probably wait until the first week of September to commit.

I'm guessing him and Gray will announce together. Hopefully both putting on Spartan hats. Here is a Demens quote, you check out that list of players he plans to bring with him, and it is scary good.>>

"And while he hasn't made a commitment to Michigan State, Demens did indicate that should he opt to play football for Dantonio at State, he would do his utmost to bring as many Detroit area football stars with him to Michigan State.

"You want to play football with guys that you know and have a good relationship with and I am good friends with a lot of the players in Detroit. I would love to play football with Charles Burrell, Jonas (Gray), (Fred) Smith, and (Nick) Perry, Caulton (Ray), and Tyler Hoover.

On Yancich, I no longer have a good feeling. All the talk has been about his Spartan myspace page, however his buddy put up a UTube video last night on Penn State All American Linebackers of the past. Not a good sign. We'll see.

C'mon Yancich I have a good feeling about this one....:)
Most of the Rivals stuff points to West Virginny or Penn State. Hope their wrong.

The fact that it was announced today that Bobby Jones has transferred out to Nebraska-Omaha is exactly why I'm not exactly doing cartwheels over Michael Jordan, the latest hypefest from JC Land. Fucking Jones had more suspensions than plays from scrimmage. This after we heard all about the 91 sacks in 111 plays at Buttfuck Minot West Dakota JC. He's 6'-5" 290 lbs but the fastest the fucking dolt ever moved was to get into All-American Liquors at 12:59 a.m. to get another bottle of "Jack." Once drained he threw it at some skank he was drinking it with and got it arrested AGAIN!!! I mean seriously can say fucking dumb ass? I remember all the hype too well. How he was going to come in and contribute IMMEDIATELY. Then he had "issues with fundamentals" that kept him from seeing the field. The fucking guy never "saw the field" because he was too fucking loaded to see anything. Good fucking bye and better fucking riddance......Little known fact is that he'll be joining Zip Goshboots on the DL there in Omaha. While possibly height & weight challenged for his position let it be known Zip drinks more profusely than that fucking Jones and writes a whole lot better. Uh, not saying that Jones can even write. The jury is out.

Who is Bobby Jones?

An overrated convict who couldn't get time on the field.... Andre Rison Jr. is to transfer from Toledo to MSU.

I guess I'm confused. It sounds like from what Hip said that this Bobby Jones guy is from Nebraska, but he is going off about him like he is from Michigan or Michigan State. Am I missing something with him or is there a connection to us that we should know about or was this just a rant because the guy is scum in general?

http://www.pittsburghsportsinsider.com/?p=1033#more-1033

Shit, hopefully we can haul in Demens, Staples, Gardiner, and maybe Nagel.

Jones was a 3 or star Juco player that arrived at MSU 2 or 3 years ago and never saw the field due to off the field incidents. He is transferring to a D2 school. At least it seems that Dantonio isn't diving into the Juco ranks like John L did.

http://www.pittsburghsportsinsider.com/?p=1033#more-1033

Shit, hopefully we can haul in Demens, Staples, Gardiner, and maybe Nagel.

Jones was a 3 or star Juco player that arrived at MSU 2 or 3 years ago and never saw the field due to off the field incidents. He is transferring to a D2 school. At least it seems that Dantonio isn't diving into the Juco ranks like John L did.

Have you seen his myspace page, ALL MSU. I don't get it. It is his too, it's pretty obvious when you look at it. I really wanted him to come to State, maybe he'll surprise.

Thanks for the update on Jones Tre. Here is the scoop from Yancich about his myspace page. He put up each of his finalist on his myspace for a specific amount of time. Each school's insane fan base saw their team up there at some point and went bananas, but each time he would tell them what his deal was with it. However, everyone seemed to think that because he put up Michigan State last that they would possibly be the choice and that would seem to make sense.

He chose PSU. Official.

By the way, just to inform everyone, I'm on suicide watch. Recent talk makes it sound like State could actually have a better haul this summer than UM. Next time I'm at Tre's house I'm going to ask him to sacrifice one of his pool cues for the cause of breaking it across my forehead. Then hit cat can eat away at my head wound until it becomes infected and eventually shuts down my brain. After lying there brain dead for a few days with no fluids I'll eventually die of dehydration. This post, proving the fact that I had this all planned out, will be the key evidence in making this a suicide.

By the way, just to inform everyone, I'm on suicide watch. Recent talk makes it sound like State could actually have a better haul this summer than UM. Next time I'm at Tre's house I'm going to ask him to sacrifice one of his pool cues for the cause of breaking it across my forehead. Then hit cat can eat away at my head wound until it becomes infected and eventually shuts down my brain. After lying there brain dead for a few days with no fluids I'll eventually die of dehydration. This post, proving the fact that I had this all planned out, will be the key evidence in making this a suicide.
...are you serious?

By the way, just to inform everyone, I'm on suicide watch. Recent talk makes it sound like State could actually have a better haul this summer than UM. Next time I'm at Tre's house I'm going to ask him to sacrifice one of his pool cues for the cause of breaking it across my forehead. Then hit cat can eat away at my head wound until it becomes infected and eventually shuts down my brain. After lying there brain dead for a few days with no fluids I'll eventually die of dehydration. This post, proving the fact that I had this all planned out, will be the key evidence in making this a suicide.

If it takes a pool cue to your dome to finally convince you that Lloyd is killing Michigan football, then I'll sacrifice my very own "Sneaky Pete" which has won me many a dollar over the years.

MSU is a LONG way from topping Michigan in recruiting Jethro. We are a LONG ways away from coming even close to hanging. However, I'm excited about alot of the news. I would lay money on us getting Ruhland, Demens, Ray, Smith, and Gray to start. I feel like we are the leader with these guys. Smith might be a 50-50 thing, but I know based on what people that were in EL (when Smith visited) said, that we are at LEAST 50-50 with Fred Smith.

MSU is a LONG way from topping Michigan in recruiting Jethro. We are a LONG ways away from coming even close to hanging. However, I'm excited about alot of the news. I would lay money on us getting Ruhland, Demens, Ray, Smith, and Gray to start. I feel like we are the leader with these guys. Smith might be a 50-50 thing, but I know based on what people that were in EL (when Smith visited) said, that we are at LEAST 50-50 with Fred Smith.
I would put my money on Gray going to NEB...

...I think you guys have Smith

I'm obviously not actually suicidal. But I am extremely frustrated. Just a few weeks ago Michigan was building steam and State fans were discouraged. Now it seems every top instate recruit that hasn't already verballed to UM is favoring State. For all the staff supposedly did to rebuild bridges that seemed to have fallen apart with last years class, I don't see the progress.
Smith should have been a lock and should be a commit to UM now. There should be no need to take his family to EL unless it was comical.
Gray, I get it. He wasn't shown love and the relationship with Country Day isn't good, but when they're going to continue to produce talent you have to overcome that as a staff. You can't just allow their talent to head down the road.
Hoover should have been blue and they lost him.
I'm not trying to sound cocky, but these are kids that can get playing time AND victories. There are some holes here they can come in and fill relativaly soon.

Here Jethro let me help you off the ledge.

Tom from Scout is giving Stonum as 60% to commit on Sunday and McGuffie at 55% to commit at his visit.

Did I mention McGuffie is going to be in town tomorrow?

BTW in case you forgot his percentage scale. 50.1% means slight lean to UM. Anything above 51.0% is Tom basically saying that they are commited already.

But be advised when Stonum commits.....it could push Smith over to MSU, but UM still is in it for him

I still want to know where mumhe is getting that UM is out of it for Will Hill. Everything I hear is that UM is in his top 3 unofficially.

I'm obviously not actually suicidal. But I am extremely frustrated. Just a few weeks ago Michigan was building steam and State fans were discouraged. Now it seems every top instate recruit that hasn't already verballed to UM is favoring State. For all the staff supposedly did to rebuild bridges that seemed to have fallen apart with last years class, I don't see the progress.
Smith should have been a lock and should be a commit to UM now. There should be no need to take his family to EL unless it was comical.
Gray, I get it. He wasn't shown love and the relationship with Country Day isn't good, but when they're going to continue to produce talent you have to overcome that as a staff. You can't just allow their talent to head down the road.
Hoover should have been blue and they lost him.
I'm not trying to sound cocky, but these are kids that can get playing time AND victories. There are some holes here they can come in and fill relativaly soon.
I wouldnt worry about Smith unless Michigan doesnt get Stonum. Darryl is 3x the receiver that Fred is, plus that is building more pipelines into the great state of Texas.

Gray, I could really care less about. Michigan has been eying Larry Caper from Battle Creek for a while. They pull McGuffie this year (which is looking better and better) than you get Caper next year and Michigan will be MORE THAN FINE.

They avoid guys in certain classes because of another recruit in a different class...it is hard to really look at because rivals puts so much out there about the seniors only.

Quick look at the 2009 Class
http://www.fvsports.com/forum/showpost.php?p=325300&postcount=1

I still want to know where mumhe is getting that UM is out of it for Will Hill. Everything I hear is that UM is in his top 3 unofficially.

http://www.fvsports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25242

I really hate pimping other sites (not really, I pimp WTF all the time, even in my Draft article) however, that site has the BEST FREE recruiting board in the country. Guys from Rivals/Scout, writers from different colleges, etc...I suggest you HARD CORE recruiting guys check it out...

I'm obviously not actually suicidal. But I am extremely frustrated. Just a few weeks ago Michigan was building steam and State fans were discouraged. Now it seems every top instate recruit that hasn't already verballed to UM is favoring State. For all the staff supposedly did to rebuild bridges that seemed to have fallen apart with last years class, I don't see the progress.
Smith should have been a lock and should be a commit to UM now. There should be no need to take his family to EL unless it was comical.
Gray, I get it. He wasn't shown love and the relationship with Country Day isn't good, but when they're going to continue to produce talent you have to overcome that as a staff. You can't just allow their talent to head down the road.
Hoover should have been blue and they lost him.
I'm not trying to sound cocky, but these are kids that can get playing time AND victories. There are some holes here they can come in and fill relativaly soon.

I think your way over- reacting Jethro. Michigan got the top player in Michigan in CB Boo Boo Cissoko,Michigan got the 2 best offensive lineman in Michigan in O'Neil and Khoury. They got the best defensive lineman in Michigan in Martin. Now matter what anyone says, Smith will be a Wolverine unless he is concerned about competition. Losing Hoover is no big deal to me since he will end up as a DE..If he stays a TE, I believe he will be a huge upgrade for MSU and a loss for Michigan.But everything points to him being a DE..Michigan lost out on Gray long ago. If the Wolverines get McGuffie,it wont be a loss..It is a nice pickup of Gray by MSU though..

I think your way over- reacting Jethro. Michigan got the top player in Michigan in CB Boo Boo Cissoko,Michigan got the 2 best offensive lineman in Michigan in O'Neil and Khoury. They got the best defensive lineman in Michigan in Martin. Now matter what anyone says, Smith will be a Wolverine unless he is concerned about competition. Losing Hoover is no big deal to me since he will end up as a DE..If he stays a TE, I believe he will be a huge upgrade for MSU and a loss for Michigan.But everything points to him being a DE..Michigan lost out on Gray long ago. If the Wolverines get McGuffie,it wont be a loss..It is a nice pickup of Gray by MSU though..
I am not sold on Boub...the video I have seen on him from different camps looks TERRIBLE. He has a slow first step, too short, and gets pushed around going for the ball.

http://www.fvsports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25242

I really hate pimping other sites (not really, I pimp WTF all the time, even in my Draft article) however, that site has the BEST FREE recruiting board in the country. Guys from Rivals/Scout, writers from different colleges, etc...I suggest you HARD CORE recruiting guys check it out...

Yet they are not as strong on the actual recruits here in Michigan Jason.

I am not sold on Boub...the video I have seen on him from different camps looks TERRIBLE. He has a slow first step, too short, and gets pushed around going for the ball.

I've watched him for 2 years. He will be fine..By the way, I believe you are wrong about the first step...He will have some disadvantages with the height, but he will be a very good corner here

I've watched him for 2 years. He will be fine..By the way, I believe you are wrong about the first step...He will have some disadvantages with the height, but he will be a very good corner here
He got SMOKED at PSU's camps...it wasnt pretty at all.

Everything I have seen and heard about Boub is that he is everything you want in a CB.

Mumhe I read it and did you notice when the guy said about the Rutgers video interview. Hill doesnt talk, but from everything I have heard Michigan is still very much in the thick of things.

McGuffie is coming to UM and so is Stonum.

Was that camp this year Mumhe or what?

Was that camp this year Mumhe or what?
Yup...and why in the world would you WANT a 5'9" CB?

I've watched him for 2 years. He will be fine..By the way, I believe you are wrong about the first step...He will have some disadvantages with the height, but he will be a very good corner here
To add on to the fact you have watched him for two years...what QB's did he face in the PSL? He only had one INT...so dont throw his numbers around.

He will be the next Morgan Trent.

He got SMOKED at PSU's camps...it wasnt pretty at all.

A college coach I know that was there said he was one of the best there

To add on to the fact you have watched him for two years...what QB's did he face in the PSL? He only had one INT...so dont throw his numbers around.

He will be the next Morgan Trent.

Its obvious you have not watched PSL football Jason as all they do is throw..He has shut down half the field and does not get thown at. That is why he only had one INT...

A college coach I know that was there said he was one of the best there
Why dont you just say his name and who he coaches for...

...I will try to get the videos we got from the camp onto youtube this week.

Its obvious you have not watched PSL football Jason as all they do is throw..He has shut down half the field and does not get thown at. That is why he only had one INT...
Its obvious you did not read what I typed...lets try again.

"what QB's did he face in the PSL?"

Maybe that can help out a little more...

Why dont you just say his name and who he coaches for...

...I will try to get the videos we got from the camp onto youtube this week.

I dont give names and its a D2 coach from the lower part of the state..You can doubt me if you want..Ask Tre about the info I have given.. Or you can look it up...

I dont give names and its a D2 coach from the lower part of the state..You can doubt me if you want..Ask Tre about the info I have given.. Or you can look it up...
I was just wondering...that is all.

Its obvious you did not read what I typed...lets try again.

"what QB's did he face in the PSL?"

Maybe that can help out a little more...

Jason, you cant go by that.. Example, Can you name me the Stud lineman that Joe Barksdale went up against? How about the competition Mike Hart played against? You can always point out who they did not play. But watching the "tape" shows ..Marinelli [smilie=amish.gif]

Jason, you cant go by that.. Example, Can you name me the Stud lineman that Joe Barksdale went up against? How about the competition Mike Hart played against? You can always point out who they did not play. But watching the "tape" shows ..Marinelli [smilie=amish.gif]
Barksdale didnt go up against anyone worth a shit...had a terrible work ethic and that is why the kids down at LSU are already down on him.

I can show you a run by mike hart that has been called one of the greatest runs in HS history...

we can point counter point all day...

I was just wondering...that is all.

I know.. And im coming off as an ass as well and that dont help....

Barksdale didnt go up against anyone worth a shit...had a terrible work ethic and that is why the kids down at LSU are already down on him.

I can show you a run by mike hart that has been called one of the greatest runs in HS history...

we can point counter point all day...

I understand that..But calling Boo Boo basically worthless which is what you did when you compared him to Trent is wrong.. You will see this year with the schedule Cass has..

There is new video of Boo Boo at YPSI 7 on 7 camp. Much better WR comp. Check it out and say what you will.

There is new video of Boo Boo at YPSI 7 on 7 camp. Much better WR comp. Check it out and say what you will.
I havent got the tapes yet? Is it on a site?

I havent got the tapes yet? Is it on a site?

Scout.com has it. I'm not a member, so I can't hook you up.

Scout.com has it. I'm not a member, so I can't hook you up.
Shit! I am sure the video will pop up sooner or later...I am looking for a reason to be positive about this guy.

I will vouch for Tommy's knowledge. He's got better inside stuff than anybody here. I do disagree with him in that Boubacar is the best player in the state, Gray is. I also seriously question any 5'9" cb. You could have the best skills in the nation, but if you are 5'9", I think you run into some problems against the big boys.

Regardless, Tommy does know his shit even if I disagree on Boubacar.

I will vouch for Tommy's knowledge. He's got better inside stuff than anybody here. I do disagree with him in that Boubacar is the best player in the state, Gray is. I also seriously question any 5'9" cb. You could have the best skills in the nation, but if you are 5'9", I think you run into some problems against the big boys.

Regardless, Tommy does know his shit even if I disagree on Boubacar.

That is fine.. Maybe im wrong on Boo Boo..I still believe he is the states top player. They also play a real strong schedule this year. Opening up against Orchard Lake St. Marys. He will also be matched up against both of Southeasterns big guns in Fred Smith and Charles Burrell..

I cant defend 5'9" either.. I just hope he grows a couple of inches before he gets to Michigan which is possible..

He got SMOKED at PSU's camps...it wasnt pretty at all.

Hey J, am I wrong or didnt he win the MVP award at that camp?

Bly, Barber, Vasher, Manning Jr., Miller, Winfield, Hall and Samuel to name a few they all have one thing in common. They are all 5'10 or under. I would say you can be a pretty successful CB in the NFL at his height whether he grows another inch or not.

Bly, Barber, Vasher, Manning Jr., Miller, Winfield, Hall and Samuel to name a few they all have one thing in common. They are all 5'10 or under. I would say you can be a pretty successful CB in the NFL at his height whether he grows another inch or not.

Those that you named are 5'10" in the NFL meaning they can't exaggerate their heights because they are precisely measured in the combine and listed when they are entering the draft.

If Boo Boo is listed at 5'9" in HS, he's 5'8" at BEST.

Fred Smith - not 50/50, he is MSU's unless a big surprise happens.

Gray - very unsure, though I think MSU has the best shot(though not by a ton)

Hopefully MSU starts getting some momentum and locking these kids up.

Those that you named are 5'10" in the NFL meaning they can't exaggerate their heights because they are precisely measured in the combine and listed when they are entering the draft.

If Boo Boo is listed at 5'9" in HS, he's 5'8" at BEST.

Whatever Tre - Bobo is awesome, so is Martin, and I would've loved Khoury. O'Neill is good, but I think he is a bit overrated. Gray is overrated IMO, and I think Hoover is a large part potential(but he is dripping with it), he will likely need a couple years before he steps up in college, or at least that's my thought as of now. I think he will come up big though.

Smith is awesome, hype up Stonum if you want UM fans, but Smith = me feeling just fine.

*now that I've posted Smith being all but a lock, he's probably guarunteed to go elsewhere.

I hope you're right about Smith. I'm not saying Boubacar isn't awesome, haven't seen enough to make a judgement. I'm just saying I don't like the size, that's all.

I watched Smith's videos a lot more the other day and I have changed my opinion of him. I told Jethro and Moodini that I thought he'd be a real good possession receiver in college. However, I saw that he now clocked a 4.4 and his video was very impressive. I like his the strong body he's got on him. For lack of a better comparison, almost an early David Boston kind of build.

He'd fit in nicely with our other 4 star WR Dell that is coming in this season.

Yeah, he would.

I would LOVE to have Smith. TJ, Dell, and Smith out wide = nice.

FYI - Rivals has released it's early top classes for 2008 (even though we're half a year from signing day) and they list MSU as a "Team to watch".
That's a big step up. That alone can help push some guys over the edge. They, like many here, say that if Gray ends up at State, watch out.

Meanwhile, I'm continually depressed about Michigan. Yeah, they're #12 on that list, but they keep missing guys. When Hoover chose State so many people said, Oh, it's ok because we'll end up with super-stud Ethan Johnson. Wrong. He committed to Notre Dame.

No I said we were in on him.

BTW Glennon their top QB prospect committed to NC State.

Michigan will get McGuffie, Weinke (a pretty decenet QB that got the only camp offer) and Stonum within the next week and everything will be fine.

BTW I wouldnt take NDs class over UM once the above 3 guys commit....well I wouldnt even take it now.

UM will be top 5. ND is about done 18 commits and after they go at 6-6 this year, see how many dump them.

BTW reason UM Could not compete with Ethan Johnson is the same reason Sam Young went to ND and not UM. ND promised him a slot in their business school. Nobody gets a promised slot at UMs business school....they have to earn at as sophomore. Also Weiss promised him a starting slot.

FYI - Rivals has released it's early top classes for 2008 (even though we're half a year from signing day) and they list MSU as a "Team to watch".
That's a big step up. That alone can help push some guys over the edge. They, like many here, say that if Gray ends up at State, watch out.

thanks for passing on the info, it is exciting. I agree, get Gray and Kenny and we will be smokin' hot in recruiting circles.

The pieces are starting to fit for Dantonio's recruiting puzzle. Things will heat up shortly I believe. I like the OL prospects that he is in on compared to what MSU has had to word with in the past. With the addition of Ruhland, I would love to see Pannell and possibly Bennett don the Green and White as well. Which would only increase the chances of landing Gray.

The pieces are starting to fit for Dantonio's recruiting puzzle. Things will heat up shortly I believe. I like the OL prospects that he is in on compared to what MSU has had to word with in the past. With the addition of Ruhland, I would love to see Pannell and possibly Bennett don the Green and White as well. Which would only increase the chances of landing Gray.

The O'lineman are one thing I'm not up on right now. Are any of those three players you mentioned 4 stars or are they all 3 stars?

Fred Smith - not 50/50, he is MSU's unless a big surprise happens.

Gray - very unsure, though I think MSU has the best shot(though not by a ton)

Hopefully MSU starts getting some momentum and locking these kids up.

Im not sure Smith is a for sure thing...Last I heard he had them at #2..It has been weeks though and I really believe the competition at Michigan may have him going to state.. For all you guys close to the Detroit Area. Cass Tech and Boo Boo will be playing Southeastern with Smith and Burrell this year..

Are any of those three players you mentioned 4 stars or are they all 3 stars? Bennett is a 4 star on scout and Pannell seems to be 3 star who could slide up to 4 stars like Jack Cornell did last year.

Check this shit out......
http://www.spartannation.com/Hondo's_House/Pages/Hondo's_House.html

Watch the Gray,Demens,Dayday2, and hondo recruiting videos.

Mumhe this is for you. I just got this personally from Bluesam at Scout.

Art,

The most recent interview with the kid has Michigan still under consideration. As a matter of fact, I believe he mentioned the Wolverines first. We'll work on getting another update with him to confirm UM's standing.

Sam

John Wienke QB has committed to UM. Big need. Stonum also will announce for UM tonight and Sam I am will be a Wolverine too.

BTW Wienke is going to the Elite 11.

Mumhe this is for you. I just got this personally from Bluesam at Scout.

Art,

The most recent interview with the kid has Michigan still under consideration. As a matter of fact, I believe he mentioned the Wolverines first. We'll work on getting another update with him to confirm UM's standing.

Sam
...on Will?

Stonum is official. He told the players earlier this week and they've all known which I think is awesome. McGuffie has been there for a couple of days now and will be leaving tomorrow but hopefully he'll have another birthday present for Mallett soon enough.

Stonum is official. He told the players earlier this week and they've all known which I think is awesome. McGuffie has been there for a couple of days now and will be leaving tomorrow but hopefully he'll have another birthday present for Mallett soon enough.
Stonum I guess has the #1 jersey too

Hopefully this pushes Fred Smith to MSU!

Hopefully this pushes Fred Smith to MSU!

Im believing it will Tre..This is pure speculation on my part but I know he is looking to play and with as much competition that M has, I can see him committing to MSU soon. I does help that his High School teammate is pushing him to MSU as well

I read on Scout.com that McGuffie might be announcing within a week. Here, I'll give the quote.

As far as announcing a college decision, McGuffie said:

"I'll be ready to say something when I get home."

When asked for a timetable, he said:

"I'll probably get something set up for next week."

Scout released their rankings for Michigan players.
1 - Cissoko
2 - O'Neil
3 - Gray
4 - Smith
5 - Martin
6 - Hoover
7 - Corey Johnson
8 - Nick Perry
9 - Deon'tae Pannell
10 - Demens

As for other commits to either UM or MSU, Khoury comes in at 16 while Ruhland and Burrell are 21 and 22. The list covers the top 35.

Important thing about this story is that it looks like State will end up with more top 10 kids than UM. With Gray and Smith seemingly MSU leans at this point, Demens coming in a package deal with Gray, Hoover wrapped up and in decent position with Perry, Dantonio's work ethic is paying off. I'm not sure how he's doing out-of-state, but building a solid foundation instate is obviously an excellent plan.
Michigan's ONLY chance to beat them out for more top 10 kids is if they get Perry and Smith - though that's apparently not likely anymore, and maybe Pannell and Johnson might go somewhere other than State.

He might be announcing at the same show that Stonum announced on last night.

One thing I admire about Dantonio is that he took the MSU job knowing that Michigan will be looking for a new coach themselves within a year or two. He knows full well that they could bring in a pretty damn big name, someone who can actually work with the talent that UM gets, and increase it. Lots of guts. Well done, I say!

"I'm going to decide in late July-early August," he said. "Right now, I would say it's pretty much about the playing time I'm going to get." Deonte Pannell.. You would think this directs him more towards MSU but who knows.

I think Pannell is deciding between MSU, Penn State and West Virginia. The other teams can win sooner, but I'm not sure about their line depth.

Nick Perry announced that he now has a favorite and his favorite is Michigan State. Perry said that he probably won't announce until after his season, but Michigan State is his #1 choice right now. He really likes the way the coaches have it set up so they can jump start the program quickly and he can play right away.

He will visit Michigan unofficially this summer.

I LOVE all the talent that is feeling MSU right now. Only thing that sucks is that they want to wait until the season or after to announce. I want these guys to commit now. I don't want a bad season playing with the toughest BT schedule to hurt MSU's chances. I think the true test will be after this year. Year 2 and 3 we will start to see MSU's jump start.

I think Pannell is deciding between MSU, Penn State and West Virginia. The other teams can win sooner, but I'm not sure about their line depth.

I'm hearing that Pannell is actually a solid UM lean, but wants to see who else they line up, and wants to take advantage of free visits. If UM lines up too much, he goes MSU is what my people tell me.

Zip, are you really allowed to count your mom as "your people?"

Pannel announced that Penn State and Michigan State are his leaders with Michigan coming in at #3. It is unbelievable how many guys MSU is the leader for. Doesn't matter unless you close though. Whether or not the MSU staff can close might just determine the future of this program.

If they can figure out how to close on a guy I'll want to get some of the Gatorade they're drinking and send it to Ann Arbor. It's ridiculous how many guys have had Michigan as their #2 in the past, only to have them end up at Ohio State, Notre Dame, USC, Florida or LSU instead.

I'm probably just torturing myself here, but I've been reading more recruiting stuff, and in the spirit of finishing #2 for guys I see that the top 2 DE's (according to Scout) both have Michigan in their top 4/5 schools. Shayne Hale and Kavario Middleton.
As far as I can tell, both would be able to come in and get playing time right away and be the best DE tandem in the country. Michigan is the only school they have in common, with Hale listing Ohio State, West Virginia and Virginia as well. He claims his teammate, Cameron Sadler, makes it a package deal. Ohio State has not offered Sadler. Sadler is a short 3 star RB. This sounds like offering Jerome Jackson to get Lamarr Woodley. Middleton lists Arizona State, Cal, Oregon and Washington.
I'm just getting geeked up about the chances of getting those two, and following that up with Jon Major, Will Hill, Steve Filer, and Garrett Goebel to go along with our current commits (Cissoko and Martin). I can't think of a better defensive recruiting class - ever. I'm sure coaches talk about that with recruits, but I would be playing it up silly.
Oh, then there's the offensive class we're trying to haul in. Once we add McGuffie we'll have a top WR and RB to add to our impressive OL and TE collection so far. All we need is another stud WR and oh boy.

Yeah, I flip flop all over the place with my confidence about recruiting, but it's hard not to.

Hale is a strong-side linebacker (the position that Crable plays) and he has Michigan in his top 5, but his cousin in Cameron Saddler and there are only 4 of his top 5 schools that have offered his cousin as well. Saddler is a 5'7" CB/RB that will probably play CB in college. Just like Boo-Boo, they say that if Saddler was 5'11" he would be a 5 star prospect, but he is only a 3 star spect as of right now. It sounds like they want to go to college together and are a package deal so if tOSU offers Saddler they could be the leader, but right now its between us, WVU, Pitt and Virginia I think..............but Hale is a BIG TIME linebacker that would fit us very very very well.

Zip, are you really allowed to count your mom as "your people?"

She says "Yes", so you lose!

Anybody got the Scout insider? There is an article up about Fred Smith. Apparantly he is close to making a commitment and it also says something about a visit just before his announcement. I'm guessing he is officially visiting MSU soon and his commitment to a school (whoever that may be) will follow the visit. If anybody has info on this, fill us in.

Boy, the sound of Smith in a Spartan Uni has me excited. I'm sure it would excite Jonas as well.

The UM Scout site has the same article up. It doesn't mention any kind of leaning, just that UM and MSU are the final two. Scout articles were free until July 4. Now they come back with good articles again. Even during the free period they had a few teasers and said you had to go to the premium board to read more.

By the way, a number of Insiders are thinking the next guy to commit to UM (with the exception of McGuffie) is actually a different Smith, Brandon. This Smith is a 4 star safety out of New Jersey. Apparently Michigan is really feeling New Jersey and Texas this year. Just wish they would feel Michigan too. Tre and I were talking today about UM only going after the top kids while Dantonio is building some serious bridges that may pay off big time and turn the tables on Michigan instate for a long time.

On Rivals the 12th ranked 3 star defensive end Whitney Mercilus has MSU high over all schools. Yet here is another recruit MSU needs to close on in case something happens with Perry.

The High List
4star-Jonas Gray
3star-Caulton Ray(future 3star)
4star-Fred Smith(basically with UM)
3star-Pannell(PSU,WV could be 4star later on like most mid/high OL get)
4star-Nick Perry
3star-Whitney Mercilus
4star-Demens
3star-Staples(probably, due to Roe)

That is not a bad haul considering that Dantonio seems to be a long relationship type of recruiter that gives time for kids to feel comfortable and commit. Also in other news I have been hearing that Chase Dumphord is going to transfer to Kentucky because he couldn't take the summer workouts and was being a little bitch so he was gone after the first week. Can anyone find a link that isn't a wishful UK forum that verifies this.

By the way, a number of Insiders are thinking the next guy to commit to UM (with the exception of McGuffie) is actually a different Smith, Brandon. This Smith is a 4 star safety out of New Jersey. Apparently Michigan is really feeling New Jersey and Texas this year. Just wish they would feel Michigan too. Tre and I were talking today about UM only going after the top kids while Dantonio is building some serious bridges that may pay off big time and turn the tables on Michigan instate for a long time.

That is a great point, but there is a "counterpoint" to it:
Michigan has always been a national recruiter, and only in the last two years has the Great State of Michigan had classes like this. Usually there are what, maybe 4-5 true D-1 prospects out of there?
Second, When Lloyd Carr exits, and we can all pray to Gawd that it is soon, and he does not pick his suck-cessor (DeBord), Don't you think that the next guy who takes over will do just what Dantonio is doing?
I mean, I love what Dantonio is doing, but what the FUCK else could he do?
You don't got many options when you is a Sparty football coach.

That is a great point, but there is a "counterpoint" to it:
Michigan has always been a national recruiter, and only in the last two years has the Great State of Michigan had classes like this. Usually there are what, maybe 4-5 true D-1 prospects out of there?
Second, When Lloyd Carr exits, and we can all pray to Gawd that it is soon, and he does not pick his suck-cessor (DeBord), Don't you think that the next guy who takes over will do just what Dantonio is doing?
I mean, I love what Dantonio is doing, but what the FUCK else could he do?
You don't got many options when you is a Sparty football coach.

Michigan has to do what Izzo has done. Recruit nationally for the big fish that are out there, but keep ties with the local kids and make sure to snag them when they are good enough. They screwed that up a bit last year with RoJo and Barksdale.

Zip, I'm all with ya on the Spartan Football jokes because I have lived a torturous life as a college football fan being green. However, I think you might want to get those last remaining jokes in because under Dantonio, Spartan Football will no longer be a joke.

Tre, I do agree that UM can't be all "New Joisey! Texas! California!" and ignore the Great State of Michigan, especially with the superb classes of these last two years. My only point is that the next coach will surely do that.
Of all the "Arrogant Asses of Ann Arbor" arguments, the best application is to recruiting in the Great State of Michigan, where UM seems to have been caught up in the "Hell, we're Michigan. The Helmet rulez!". I guess it works when the Great State of Michigan only has those 4-5 prospects, but when they have more, and there are more teams coming here that aren't located in South Bend to recruit, well, that just dog just won't hunt anymore (BTW I have only hunted one time in my life, and that almost proved disastrous. It seems I found some tracks, followed them, and almost got hit by a train).

As for Dantonio, you bet it seems there is a new sheriff in town, and he is doing the right thing by establishing a presence in the Great State of Michigan, which though I joke that he had no choice, is incredibly smart. It's so smart that you'd have thought Dantonio got that advice from me.

However, I think you might want to get those last remaining jokes in because under John L. Smith, Spartan Football will no longer be a joke.

Although I was hyped about the offense at times and fell into the bandwagon role after a few wins, I was NEVER hyped about the John L. hire and Jethro will vouch because he was there when it was announced. If you can't see the difference between John L. and Dantonio Glenn...well, actually I'm not surprised. I wouldn't expect you to.

Glenn probably hated on Izzo when he was hired.

Tre was in my basement when John L was hired. Was it announced during/after Michigan's come-from-behind night game against Minnesota? Those two things seem to be linked in my mind for some reason.

Anyhow, I remember Tre saying: "Who? You've got to be kidding me! What the **** are they doing?"

Later, there was some acknowledgement that the guy may not be absolutely horrible and had SOME resume, but Tre was never feeling any heat with Smith.

McGuffie announcing for UM tomorrow night on same show that Stonum announced he was going to UM for.

A side note. One of the guys on that show is the brother of a USC coach and he was giving Stonum a major dose of negative recruiting against UM before the show started. Keith Norton is the host or one of them.

Hey Art -- I heard that he was announcing on July 15th which is NEXT Sunday.........do you know for sure which day it is?

Dynamite post

Scout says at least 5 top 100 kids are announcing this month and all have Michigan in their top 2. Anyone got the info and the odds?

Sorry that is correct on the 15th for McGuffie. Sam couldnt get in touch with the hosts of the show to get it done this week.

Goebel is bringing his family with him for a 2nd visit to UM. He has already visited OSU twice.

Kroger goes to OSU on the 10th and has final visit set up with UM on the 12th.

F. Smith is making a last visit to UM. I dont remember the date.

D. McCarthy is down to UM/ND/OSU with it looking like another OSU vs. UM battle.

Remember one thing. OSU and ND are just about done with recruiting, because they either have given out a ton (ND) or had low numbers to give (OSU).

UM is in good shape and after the next 3-4 weeks 1st half of recruiting is done and we can get ready for the season.

BTW S. Filer looks to be an OSU vs. UM battle too.

How many scholarships exactly do the two rival schools have to give total? I know ND has 17 commits and OSU has 9 so far.

OSU has around 18 and ND has about 21-23.

McGuffie has pushed it back to the 22nd.

The host is going to be out of town and the 22nd is the earliest he can do it on that show.

It looked like a rough day for recruiting on rivals and scouts front pages.

The appearance with McGuffie was that he had a change of heart and looks to be an A & M lean at this point. I guess someone with paid access can clear that up.

In other news, that nobody here would like, there was a story that was leading toward Fred Smith and OSU.

I'm hoping this is just questionable journalism tactics to drum up interest.

It looked like a rough day for recruiting on rivals and scouts front pages.

The appearance with McGuffie was that he had a change of heart and looks to be an A & M lean at this point. I guess someone with paid access can clear that up.

In other news, that nobody here would like, there was a story that was leading toward Fred Smith and OSU.

I'm hoping this is just questionable journalism tactics to drum up interest.

I'm not buying it. Always rumors out there.

Sam is about a much a lock as anyone can be at this point.

His grandpa went to A&M. The whole A&M angle is to add suspense to where he is going.

Sam to UM without a doubt.

Tom warned us 2-3 days ago about the whole A&M deal and not to worry, but people do that have weak hearts.

As far as Smith goes. He will go to either MSU or UM.

He grew up a UM fan and his family are fans too, but the whole depth chart factor that MSU has going for it is keeping them in the game and could in the end take him to E. Lansing.

Jethro,

Snuck over to the parents house for internet access. Here's what I came up with.

Smith on OSU-"I haven't heard from Ohio State," Smith said. "Haven't had any text (messages) or calls)." "It kind of leaves me with a base of Michigan and Michigan State without the Ohio State offer," Smith said. "I've been interested in Ohio State but I am getting close to making a decision and don't have an offer."

Smith was quick to point out that if the Buckeyes did come through with an offer in the next week or so that things would change and the Buckeyes would be right back in the thick of it all.

"Most definitely," Smith said. "If they were to offer here soon, they would be back in the picture."

Michigan - "It's a great program. A program with a great name, winning program, and they produce a lot of great receivers."

Michigan State - "They have a new coach and it seems like they are trying to build something positive with that Michigan State program. It really seems like a program on their way up."

Ohio State - "They have a high powered offense where they get the ball in the air. It's a receiver's dream to catch a lot of passes."

"I would like to have it done before August 15th," Smith said.

About McGuffie, I'm hearing similar things to what Art said, and super Michigan insider Section 6 from The Wolverine says "Wait and you will be rewarded."

Feels good to post again.

As far as Smith goes. He will go to either MSU or UM.

He grew up a UM fan and his family are fans too, but the whole depth chart factor that MSU has going for it is keeping them in the game and could in the end take him to E. Lansing.

I think there is more than just a depth chart that could bring Smith to East Lansing.

-Michigan State making him their #1 WR priority, not #2 or #3.
-Dantonio featuring an offense that will feature power running and then big play action passes deep down the field.
-The idea of playing with teammate Burrell and Mr. Gray.
-Dantonio showing crazy love to his hometown Detroit and friends at surrounding schools.
-MSU's rich tradition of producing great wide receivers (Rivals Wide Receiver U runner up)

If MSU does pull off the major upset in this recruiting battle, there will be more involved than just a depth chart.

I think there is more than just a depth chart that could bring Smith to East Lansing.

-Michigan State making him their #1 WR priority, not #2 or #3.
-Dantonio featuring an offense that will feature power running and then big play action passes deep down the field.
-The idea of playing with teammate Burrell and Mr. Gray.
-Dantonio showing crazy love to his hometown Detroit and friends at surrounding schools.
-MSU's rich tradition of producing great wide receivers (Rivals Wide Receiver U runner up)

If MSU does pull off the major upset in this recruiting battle, there will be more involved than just a depth chart.
Gray isn`t green yet. Also, no disrespect meant, but calling a 17 year old kid "Mr." seems a little much.

Gray isn`t green yet. Also, no disrespect meant, but calling a 17 year old kid "Mr." seems a little much.

I wasn't calling him "Mr. Gray" as in respect toward an adult. Threw it out there to call him something different, kinda like "Mr. Jones." That would be Mike Jones for those that are a little challenged in the smooth department.

"You can ride all day long, but you'll never catch Mr. Jones...hahaha"
http://image.listen.com/img/170x170/2/1/3/6/956312_170x170.jpg

"Michigan State making him their #1 WR priority, not #2 or #3." - Tre

That ties in with depth chart.

The rest of what you said is all nice, but I will state again, depth chart will be what sends Fred Smith to MSU and you can come back and tell me I am wrong, but *shrug*.

So Gray has committed to MSU already? Congrats. I didnt know he was as much a lock to MSU as McGuffie is to UM.

"Michigan State making him their #1 WR priority, not #2 or #3." - Tre

That ties in with depth chart.

The rest of what you said is all nice, but I will state again, depth chart will be what sends Fred Smith to MSU and you can come back and tell me I am wrong, but *shrug*.

So Gray has committed to MSU already? Congrats. I didnt know he was as much a lock to MSU as McGuffie is to UM.

I agree about the depth chart with Smith..That is why I believe he will be at MSU...Also, in my opinion, Gray will end up at MSU.....

"Michigan State making him their #1 WR priority, not #2 or #3." - Tre

That ties in with depth chart.

The rest of what you said is all nice, but I will state again, depth chart will be what sends Fred Smith to MSU and you can come back and tell me I am wrong, but *shrug*.

So Gray has committed to MSU already? Congrats. I didnt know he was as much a lock to MSU as McGuffie is to UM.

That's fine, whatever brings him to MSU is fine with me. I'm not disagreeing with you that it's a depth chart thing because everyone knows he was a UM fan from Day 1. You just made it sound like depth was the ONLY thing that would bring him there and if that was the case, you could find dozens of Universities for him to attend. He has to like MSU to commit his future to them, that's all I was saying.

No, Gray isn't a done deal. I was just being an over the top homer with high hopes.

McGuffie wants to announce his decision on a show in Houston and the host is out of town so he delayed his decision till the 22nd.

Saddler says they want him to replace Breaston. He has some pretty awesome punt returns.

Art the #1 priority thing I was referring to is the fact that MSU has made him their #1 plan A choice at the WR position, UM did not do that.

I really don't want this to sound like a knock on State, but I'm sure it will read like it is.

Why was Fred Smith the #1 priority for them at WR? Two reasons. #1 - best instate WR and a great talent that they really liked and went after. That's what everyone else is talking about. #2 - because there weren't any other WR's with that type of talent willing to have much of a conversation with MSU. He could have been their top target by default. The only guy who had near the talent that was a realistic option is Corey Johnson, and that was badly mishandled.
Regardless, it's true that Smith represents their top priority there. State fans just hope he sees it the way they do. All the playing time in the world isn't very fun when you only win 5 games. Maybe he'll see the potential for more if the right guys come along, but that's a lot of trust to put in 20 other guys that aren't there yet.
(yeah, say nearly the identical thing about UM hoops. I know. I admit it, we;ve had that conversation.)
I'm just saying that what this all comes down to is feeling amazing about how a squad is going after you and getting a ton of experience on a bumpy road vs. getting to follow in your mentor's footsteps with the expectations of hard work and competition for huge moments on a perrennial contender.

Pannell is visiting UM soon. Scout has UM in his top 3 with MSU and PSU.

I've thought he was heading to PSU for a while now. Not sure if his visit to Ann Arbor will change his mind or not. Anyone know if Michigan is looking at him as an OL? He might play sooner if he moved to DL.

Michigan is looking at Pannell as their future RT to go along with O'Neill at LT. You add those guys in with our other recruits and its a good future O-line.......but I think he is heading to E.L. with that said.

The big news is Trevor Robinson visiting both ND and Michigan while being committed to Nebraska and them having a SICK O-line coming in right now. I heard that Nebraska is okay with him taking the visits so I think its just a lot of speculation and nothing more right now, but internet slappies are going bonkers.

That's interesting, since Nebraska is threatening with guys like Gray and Demens.

I expect Pannell and Perry to MSU when all is said and done from what I have read.

UM is getting a visit from Robinson.

Originally Posted by theMUHMEshow
He got SMOKED at PSU's camps...it wasnt pretty at all.


Hey Jason, am I wrong or didnt he win the MVP award at that camp?

Im trying to figure this out Jason

You GOT to sell that Robinson kid hard. There is an unbelievable Husker Nation feeling out here, and if that kid turns on good ol' State U, he'd feel some serious heat. Good luck on that one!

Sounding more and more like McGuffie is wavering. From what I've heard his mom and girlfriend don't want him to go all the way to Michigan and are in his ear. Apparently he probably said a little more than he should have after his visit before everyone was on board. Michigan's chances are clearly less than they used to be immediately after his visit. This all seems very Rojo-esque.

It wouldn't surprise me at all, but I think it would be sweet to watch Mcguffie in Ann Arbor. To see what a white boy can really do at RB live.

McGuffie is coming to Michigan.

I think this might have been mentioned here before, but MSU is going after a 3 star QB named MarQueis Gray. Nope, not the one we already have.

This kid looks like a flat out stud. He's an athletic 6'4" qb who ran a 4.6. He's incredibly impressive physically. I was telling Moodini about him and then we watched his video last night. Rivals said that he's the fastest rising player in Indiana and he might end up being a 4 star and one of the best QBs in the country. They also said he might be a star at the next level based on his upside.

MSU has been on him early and I'm praying they get him. His offers aren't so impressive that State couldn't get him. Biggest names are Iowa and Oregon, but many schools are now catching on.

Keep your fingers crossed on this kid Spartan fans.

If I was MSU I would go after Threet. He is transferring from GT.

Sounding more and more like McGuffie is wavering. From what I've heard his mom and girlfriend don't want him to go all the way to Michigan and are in his ear. Apparently he probably said a little more than he should have after his visit before everyone was on board. Michigan's chances are clearly less than they used to be immediately after his visit. This all seems very Rojo-esque.

What a fucking dildo. Some nineteen year old kid wavering because his mommy and his girlfriend don't want him to live so far away. I sure hope the fucker doesn;t break both their hearts if he's good enough to make it to the pros and gets drafted by New England.
What a fucking pussy. Maybe that's why he likes to jump over defenders. He's either "Light in the loafers" or he's afraid to take a hit.

Zip this is all untrue. It is people spreading crap that is so untrue.

Tom over at the UM Scout sites talks to Sam more than any one else.

Everything from his grandfather wanting him to go to A&M because he did to him living with his girlfriend who is going to A&M are all false.

BTW I cannot post direct stuff any longer on the visible portion of this board, because I am probably going to work for Scout UM board in some capacity. I own a transcription company and I am working out some details to do some work for the site. I am actually hoping to expand once I get my foot in the door to other sites.

I think this might have been mentioned here before, but MSU is going after a 3 star QB named MarQueis Gray. Nope, not the one we already have.

This kid looks like a flat out stud. He's an athletic 6'4" qb who ran a 4.6. He's incredibly impressive physically. I was telling Moodini about him and then we watched his video last night. Rivals said that he's the fastest rising player in Indiana and he might end up being a 4 star and one of the best QBs in the country. They also said he might be a star at the next level based on his upside.

MSU has been on him early and I'm praying they get him. His offers aren't so impressive that State couldn't get him. Biggest names are Iowa and Oregon, but many schools are now catching on.

Keep your fingers crossed on this kid Spartan fans.

Invited to the Elite 11, but unable to go, as it is a mandatory dead week in Indiana, he can't go to any camps that week.

Gray or Threet = me happy.

Zip this is all untrue. It is people spreading crap that is so untrue.

Tom over at the UM Scout sites talks to Sam more than any one else.

Everything from his grandfather wanting him to go to A&M because he did to him living with his girlfriend who is going to A&M are all false.

BTW I cannot post direct stuff any longer on the visible portion of this board, because I am probably going to work for Scout UM board in some capacity. I own a transcription company and I am working out some details to do some work for the site. I am actually hoping to expand once I get my foot in the door to other sites.

Art, if you say it, then I'll believe it. But if McGuffie comes out and says differently, then he and I are going to have to take this outside.

By the way Art, when you get your thing up and running, just let me know if you need a writer. I go to the higest bidder, and right now you have to beat a bid of exactly nothing.

By the way Art, when you get your thing up and running, just let me know if you need a writer. I go to the higest bidder, and right now you have to beat a bid of exactly nothing.

I wonder why. Don't wait by the phone. LOL

I wonder why. Don't wait by the phone. LOL

Don't be jealous of my talent.

Thanks Zip, but writing is not what I am going for.

Someone tapes an interview, I download and type it out for them. I have been doing medical transcription for over 6 years now.


I truly expect MSU to have a pretty good year. Gray, Demens, Perry and Pannell all should end up at MSU.

Threet to UM...?

Threet to UM...?

I've heard that to..With that said, I have no clue. He has been away from people I know, who know him...Would be a nice pick up for Michigan or MSU..Would immediately become MSU's best QB not named Hoyles

Yeah their are rumors that Threet is headed to UM, but it is not confirmed.

Something big is supposed to be happening in the next 18 hours or so not related to McGuffie.

Yeah their are rumors that Threet is headed to UM, but it is not confirmed.

Something big is supposed to be happening in the next 18 hours or so not related to McGuffie.

Im hearing this all over the place..Any clues?

Holy shit would that be 2 huge gets for you guys.

I am hearing it is definitely Threet, who is in for an unoffical visit today.

Also there is good news on the Koger front. It seems like OSU was hoping they could him in yesterday, he would cancel his UM visit and that would be that. A coach who is from Toledo has said that his OSU sources are very nervous about Koger's visit to UM today.

Now everyone is up to date. McGuffie no change. UM when he announces.

Can I get a freaking commitment from one of these four 4 star guys that MSU is in the lead for and is supposed to get. Dantonio keeps messing with me. Takes the job last year, gets me excited. Then he starts off real slow this year with adding commitments. Then he makes serious strides with many big dogs and lands Hoover. Now its been dead for awhile. Roller coaster, I hate it!

Can I get a freaking commitment from one of these four 4 star guys that MSU is in the lead for and is supposed to get. Dantonio keeps messing with me. Takes the job last year, gets me excited. Then he starts off real slow this year with adding commitments. Then he makes serious strides with many big dogs and lands Hoover. Now its been dead for awhile. Roller coaster, I hate it!

This is what I wrote over at the sportsinferno.com site


Just my opinion here, but as of right now im very disappointed in what Dantonio has done so far...Being in on guys is not good enough. He HAS to bring these people in...

I mean every word of that..There was a lot of excitement with him coming in..I like what he talks..But that is all I have seen when recruiting is going on..Hoover is nice but its time to get these other kids in. I still believe Gray will be there. Im also of the belief that Smith will be there..But he needs to get these kids on board now to help with other recruits.

I know its early in his tenure. But Michigan State is not an Indiana,NW, hell even Iowa. They should get these kids with the kind of quality coach I believe coach D is...

I really expect Pannell, Gray, Demens and Perry(the only ?) to turn Green.

I expect Smith to be Blue in the end from everything I hear as of today.

Not to start a flame war, but MSU only wishes it were on par with Iowa in football.

Not to start a flame war, but MSU only wishes it were on par with Iowa in football.

I understand that..But I really believe that MSU can be and has the facilities to be #3 in the Big Ten...

I really expect Pannell, Gray, Demens and Perry(the only ?) to turn Green.

I expect Smith to be Blue in the end from everything I hear as of today.

About Smith, I was told that he really wavered at Michgan because of the competition,even though he says its not true....Demens is a package, that is why I did not put him...Im not sure about Pannell..My boy at Groves said it would not be right for him to say who he is leaning..All he would say is MSU,PSU,Michigan. not in any order

Word is Smith's real upset about the new Adidas deal. Could be game over for UM.

UM/OSU....UW...PSU/Iowa....everyone else. That is how I rank the Big 10 in football right now.

I do not see MSU ever really staying in the top 3. Maybe the odd year here and there, but it will be hard enough for them to break into the top 5 on a consistent basis.

Pannell stated after his visit that UM was still 3rd, which is fine...I will state ithere now Pannell is not no big loss for UM. If Perry and Smith both pick MSU that would be a big loss. Gray not so much so with McGuffie coming.

BTW Hale and Saddler are a package and it looks like UM vs. WVU.

Vinny, good info! I have some news on that front also:

DATELINE: Carbuncle, Indiana

Heralded nine year old Carbuncke Pop Warner League star Jasper "Tomatoes and Rogaine" Bundy, the son of one time high school star Al Bundy, announced tosay that he is not considering playing for Michigan at this time. When asked about this, he said, "I thought I would rock Nike gear while banging cheeleaders in Ann Arbor. Now they've gone and signed with Adidas. My old man won;t have it. He says if I even think rocking Adidas gear, he'll tell everyone I'm a fag. Hey, I scored four touchdowns in one game, and if those fuckers up there think Sam McGuffie is the shit, wait till they see me jumping over linebackers like Cody "Born Sideways" Lapfratarski. He's 3'9. Who can do that at my age?"

It is offical. Threet is transferring to Michigan.

He is a 4 star from last year...can he have his own thread?

I'm gonna start it up myself.

It is offical. Threet is transferring to Michigan.

He is a 4 star from last year...can he have his own thread?

Will it hold up when he learns about the adidas?

That is why they had the meeting today. He wanted to discuss that whole part of the transfer.

Well there is a rumor that DESPITE the new Adidas allegiance Steven Threet is transferring back home to Michigan to give us another sweet option at QB in two years. However, there is a little chatter that Weinke might not like this news, we'll have to see how it plays out.

Threet is a better QB than Weinke. I want both, but I would prefer Threet over Weinke, but I think they both end up staying.

Early word from Perry's surprise UM visit today is that UM is on top, but he will take officals.

Perry almost committed to UM today, but like Art said, will take visits.

The Wolverine is going bonkers right now with people throwing things out left and right............is all of this because of Nick Perry or is something else happening right now?

^^It's because of today's "Morning Constitutional".

Perry/Threet combo

UM/OSU....UW...PSU/Iowa....everyone else. That is how I rank the Big 10 in football right now.

I do not see MSU ever really staying in the top 3. Maybe the odd year here and there, but it will be hard enough for them to break into the top 5 on a consistent basis.


This entire post is a bunch of biased Michigan bullshit Art. MSU can't be a consistent Top BT team huh? What are you basing that on other than your biased UM opinion. Here is a question for ya, can UM be a top BT basketball team? I bet you'll say yes to that. Well, they have the same mountains to climb in bball as MSU does in fball. Tough BT competition, Elite program within the state to compete with, OSU nearby challenging for recruits.

Had Nick Saban stayed, MSU would have maintained the status he left them at (They were #5 in the country his last season). Sure he can't stay in one place, but he proved it is possible. Why wouldn't it be possible Art? State of the art facilities, BT school, 2nd largest school in the country, why isn't success possible?

Posts like that just show somebody's unbelievably biased true colors. As unfathomable as it seems, I wouldn't say it would be impossible for UM to be a top BT school given the right coaches.

This entire post is a bunch of biased Michigan bullshit Art. MSU can't be a consistent Top BT team huh? What are you basing that on other than your biased UM opinion. Here is a question for ya, can UM be a top BT basketball team? I bet you'll say yes to that. Well, they have the same mountains to climb in bball as MSU does in fball. Tough BT competition, Elite program within the state to compete with, OSU nearby challenging for recruits.

That sure is a lot of indignation from someone who thought there was no chance michigan would ever be able hire a basketball coach away from wvu. Considering msu bball has only had a better big10 record than um bball twice in the last 5 years, I would guess that um bball doesn't have quite the same mountain to climb. we'll see. back to recruiting talk.

At the present time Michigan cannot be a top BBall school.

There is a huge difference between the 2 sports in that 1 or 2 top recruits can change things quickly in basketball, not so much in football.

Look Tre I know you do not believe this, but even when Saban was coach, MSU was only a top 3 team 1 time in his 5 years, which is why I said that they would have the odd year here and there. Michigan has at least been more relevant in BBall over the last 20 years more so than MSU has been in football.

When Perles was coach he had 2 very good years out of 11 or so years. So since 1983, I would say MSU has had 3 maybe 4 very good years in terms of record in football.

UM while lately has been struggling, I think UM makes a few tournies over the next few years, but OSU, MSU, Wiscy and Indiana all will be better teams than UM over this period of time. Sure Michigan might jump into the top 3 now and then, but over the next 10 years I see UM BB and MSU FB having the same amount of top 3 finishes 1 maybe 2.

Also, UM has had much more success in the last 20 years in basketball. They did win the NC in 1989. Even though the FF appearances were taken from the books, they still were part of a couple in the 90s.

It is hard to compare 5 starters vs. 22 starters.

That sure is a lot of indignation from someone who thought there was no chance michigan would ever be able hire a basketball coach away from wvu. Considering msu bball has only had a better big10 record than um bball twice in the last 5 years, I would guess that um bball doesn't have quite the same mountain to climb. we'll see. back to recruiting talk.

Making shit up? I never said there was no chance of him leaving! Moodini ripped Beilein prior to the hire and I said he was a freaking great coach. I followed it by saying they should throw a freaking parade if he left WV for AA because he would be such a great hire.

At the present time Michigan cannot be a top BBall school.

There is a huge difference between the 2 sports in that 1 or 2 top recruits can change things quickly in basketball, not so much in football.

Look Tre I know you do not believe this, but even when Saban was coach, MSU was only a top 3 team 1 time in his 5 years, which is why I said that they would have the odd year here and there. Michigan has at least been more relevant in BBall over the last 20 years more so than MSU has been in football.

When Perles was coach he had 2 very good years out of 11 or so years. So since 1983, I would say MSU has had 3 maybe 4 very good years in terms of record in football.

UM while lately has been struggling, I think UM makes a few tournies over the next few years, but OSU, MSU, Wiscy and Indiana all will be better teams than UM over this period of time. Sure Michigan might jump into the top 3 now and then, but over the next 10 years I see UM BB and MSU FB having the same amount of top 3 finishes 1 maybe 2.

Also, UM has had much more success in the last 20 years in basketball. They did win the NC in 1989. Even though the FF appearances were taken from the books, they still were part of a couple in the 90s.

It is hard to compare 5 starters vs. 22 starters.

I agree with you that it's easier to turn things around in bball. But, your Michigan has been more relevant is a joke and I could throw out postseason play (not NIT), Top 25 appearances, Top 10 wins, etc. etc. to combat that whack opinion, BUT WE'VE DONE THAT SO MANY TIMES.

In regards to Saban, it takes a good 3-4 years to build a program. His last year was the first year when he had ALL of his recruits.

I'll just chalk this one up to a dramatic difference of opinion because I don't want the MSU fball vs. UM bball argument for the 57th time. They are like mirror images of each other and I'm over it.

Making shit up? I never said there was no chance of him leaving! Moodini ripped Beilein prior to the hire and I said he was a freaking great coach. I followed it by saying they should throw a freaking parade if he left WV for AA because he would be such a great hire.


Everyone knows what Michigan's program is like and nobody from a program that has had great tourney success like Villanova, West Virginia, etc. is going to want to come to a program that is way worse off and has to compete with Michigan State and Ohio State every year on and off the court.

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8868&page=7

I only remember because when I first looked at the forum. You and the other sparties were going on and on about how um would never be able to hire a coach away from any 2nd tier school. I feel like there were other quotes, but obviously I am not going to bother looking through more than one thread.

Anyways, I originally came here to see if there were any updates on mallett's learning curve, though maybe this isn't the right thread for that.

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I agree with you that it's easier to turn things around in bball. But, your Michigan has been more relevant is a joke and I could throw out postseason play (not NIT), Top 25 appearances, Top 10 wins, etc. etc. to combat that whack opinion, BUT WE'VE DONE THAT SO MANY TIMES.

In regards to Saban, it takes a good 3-4 years to build a program. His last year was the first year when he had ALL of his recruits.

I'll just chalk this one up to a dramatic difference of opinion because I don't want the MSU fball vs. UM bball argument for the 57th time. They are like mirror images of each other and I'm over it.

It could be said that this will always be the case. Perhaps State will be a stepping stone for a more high profile program for years to come. What's to say Dantonio will stick around if he has success over the next 3-4 years? If it all happens and he leaves, can you be sure the next coach can maintain the program? Part of the reason Michigan continually hires "Michigan Men", which we all gripe about, is that they don't change the system. They won't burn out a group of recruits because they want to switch from a power running game to a spread offense or vice versa or anything along those lines. Maybe Dantonio bolts and your next coach will get his first coaching job in the MAC next season. Until it happens otherwise, perhaps it's the plague. And yep, the same will be the case in Ann Arbor on the hardcourt, more than likely. At least that's what folks in West Virginia think.

Jethro:
I have to say that your last post is EXACTLY what is wrong with Michigan football.
Michigan is not a stepping stone. You hire someone like Urban Meyer or Les Miles or Zip Goshboots, and that is the last stop before the NFL or retirement.
That Michigan worries if guys will use Ann Arbor to rev up their resume totally defeats what they purport to stand for: Traditional greatness. If they're that fucking great, why do they have to worry about this "Michigan family" crap?
And what is so great about losing 12 of their last 16 Rose Bowls? Chicken shit is what it is.
And you are damn right they're not going to burn out recroots with different styles. Hell, when you run four offensive plays for thiry five years, you probably have trouble keeping them awake during games.
Ohio State and Florida have BALLS. And those balls have worked out pretty well over the last few years. Michigan muddles along looking pretty and getting their asses kicked when it counts.

By the way, Dantonio will be 51 this season, I believe. He isn't going anywhere.

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in before tre claims xanadu attempted (to) take his direct quotes out of context?

Nevermind, should have hit refresh.................

in before tre claims xanadu attempted (to) take his direct quotes out of context?

Well played.

In before Tre cries about Xanadu taking his direct quotes out of context.

You should post more, you've posted some solid opinions (not just this thread).

Jethro:
I have to say that your last post is EXACTLY what is wrong with Michigan football.
Michigan is not a stepping stone. You hire someone like Urban Meyer or Les Miles or Zip Goshboots, and that is the last stop before the NFL or retirement.
That Michigan worries if guys will use Ann Arbor to rev up their resume totally defeats what they purport to stand for: Traditional greatness. If they're that fucking great, why do they have to worry about this "Michigan family" crap?
And what is so great about losing 12 of their last 16 Rose Bowls? Chicken shit is what it is.
And you are damn right they're not going to burn out recroots with different styles. Hell, when you run four offensive plays for thiry five years, you probably have trouble keeping them awake during games.
Ohio State and Florida have BALLS. And those balls have worked out pretty well over the last few years. Michigan muddles along looking pretty and getting their asses kicked when it counts.

I agree (with the overall sentiment, maybe not all of the ramblings though).

I'm not happy that they go with Michigan Men because I agree they have missed some opportunities to take it to a slightly higher level.

However, I think it's an issue working against State the other way.

If it's an issue working against State, it is one that can be fixed with the right guy, ala Glenn E. "Bo" Schembechler back in 1969. He was not "of the family".
Stae's issue is that their family right now is dysfunctional, and, of course, the Saban Issue.
But again, this is IT for Dantonio, so if he rights it, MSU could be a threat for a long time.

See, you think this is it for Dantonio. I don't. I think it's only it for him if he only gets them to 7 wins as his best season over the next 4 seasons. So, let's say he wins 4 next season, 6 the following two and 7 the 4th. 2 or 3 bowl games in 4 years may be enough for State to keep him around, but not enough for others to come calling.
But if he gets up to 8 or 9 wins in the next 3 or 4 years, other schools WILL come calling and he WILL listen closely to their offers. If a school that finds itself in the top 25 on a regular basis comes calling, he just might bite and continue the cycle for State. I'm not saying he's that "type" or making it anything personal about him, I'm saying that's what coaches do. 51 is not terrible old. He could make the move to a stronger football school at age 55 no problem.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see. He hasn't done a thing yet except put clocks everywhere, and he might even stink as a coach. Might not win a game in the next three years. That would be funny.

Totally out of my ass but I think Dantonio really wanted this job. I think he genuinely likes MSU drawing back to his days as an assistant. I think he has a realistic grasp that it can and will return to respectablility. He seems a devoted family guy who doesn't suffer from the wanderlust of a Saban. I think if he gets the thing turned around he will be content to stay on. I think as Jethro described earlier that the two programs, MSU FB & U-M Hoop, are mirror images. That said I think both schools get high marks in their selection of both Beilein & Dantonio. They are a perfect fit for all the right reasons.

Totally out of my ass but I think Dantonio really wanted this job. I think he genuinely likes MSU drawing back to his days as an assistant. I think he has a realistic grasp that it can and will return to respectablility. He seems a devoted family guy who doesn't suffer from the wanderlust of a Saban. I think if he gets the thing turned around he will be content to stay on. I think as Jethro described earlier that the two programs, MSU FB & U-M Hoop, are mirror images. That said I think both schools get high marks in their selection of both Beilein & Dantonio. They are a perfect fit for all the right reasons.
Right on the nose.

Epic blast for your epic 200th post, HipDigIt!

Dantonio had some clause about leaving to MSU or OSU in his Cinci contract, as those were the two schools he desired most.

I think he'll stay, unless OSU comes calling(in which case, I don't know).

It could be said that this will always be the case. Perhaps State will be a stepping stone for a more high profile program for years to come. What's to say Dantonio will stick around if he has success over the next 3-4 years? If it all happens and he leaves, can you be sure the next coach can maintain the program? Part of the reason Michigan continually hires "Michigan Men", which we all gripe about, is that they don't change the system. They won't burn out a group of recruits because they want to switch from a power running game to a spread offense or vice versa or anything along those lines. Maybe Dantonio bolts and your next coach will get his first coaching job in the MAC next season. Until it happens otherwise, perhaps it's the plague. And yep, the same will be the case in Ann Arbor on the hardcourt, more than likely. At least that's what folks in West Virginia think.

It amazes me how often UM fans talk about a MSU coach leaving. He hasn't even started, yet Jethro is throwing out the possibility. Anybody hear the latest Izzo rumors? LOL! Part of the reason MSU hired Dantonio Jethro is because he said from the start that Michigan State is his last stop if they hire him. Many coaches after they are hired throw out the, "I'll be here for a long time" cliche, however this wasn't the case for Dantonio. He said that he absolutely loved his time at MSU with Saban and he missed it. He said that he intends on being here for the remainder of his career. MSU believed that the reason they've went downhill since the good 2000 season is because of the revolving door at the coaching position. You have to have a coach established within a setting for years to eventually turn it around. See Barry Alvarez. MD is here to stay and if he can close on these recruits, Michigan State will be a top BT program. That's my opinion.

You're right, he hasn't coached a single game yet. So what's more ridiculous, speculating on how long he might be there? Or perhaps comparing him to Izzo? I know my vote.

You're right, he hasn't coached a single game yet. So what's more ridiculous, speculating on how long he might be there? Or perhaps comparing him to Izzo? I know my vote.

I wasn't comparing him to Izzo. I was referring to the UM obsession with talking about Spartan coaches leaving. heeeeeello

Dantonio was recently spotted leaving a Detroit area White Castle.

So 1-2 fans talking about where he might go is the same as everyone who follows UM as talking about it?

Nice logic.

So 1-2 fans talking about where he might go is the same as everyone who follows UM as talking about it?

Nice logic.

Yeah, I've only heard 1 or 2 UM fans ever talk about Izzo leaving. You live in a cave?

Demens and his family will be looking for certain traits on their trips.

"Well, first off, I'm going to look at the academics. And I want a place I can call my home, so I'll be looking at the environment and can I come to school in that city and town. Also, how well I get along with the coaches and players and everything else that affects my comfort level. For my mom, it's academics, academics, academics. What's also important to her is she wants to be able to make it to all of my games."

The 6-foot-1, 224-pound Demens racked up 90 total tackles as a junior from his linebacker spot, with 15 of them being for losses. Though the Cornhuskers and Spartans remain his co-leaders, there are still a handful of additional schools that he's giving a hard look at.

"Yeah, I'm still considering Iowa, West Virginia, and probably Wisconsin and Minnesota. I probably will not take unofficial visits to any of them, but I might take official visits to some of them. I'm not sure, but right now I'd say that I want to take all five official visits. I might not get around to taking them all before I make a decision, though.

"Right now, I'm trying to set up some official visit dates. I'm still trying to figure out who's playing who on what dates. I was planning on taking an official to Nebraska for their USC game on Sept. 15, but coach Coz (Kevin Cosgrove) told us not to come because they'd be too busy to spend a lot of time with recruits that game. I want to be there when I can spend some time with the coaches."

Demens could project to any of the three linebacker spots on the collegiate level. Though it's subject to change based on what he experiences on all of his visits, Demens has a current pecking order for all the schools still under consideration.

"Michigan State would be first, and then Nebraska," Demens explained. "That's just because I've already been to Michigan State a couple of times and met their coaches a whole lot of times. I haven't been to Nebraska yet, and I haven't got a chance to speak to coach (Bill) Callahan and coach Coz in person yet. So far, I probably have the closest relationship with the Michigan State coaches - coach (Mark) Dantonio, coach (Dan) Enos and coach (Mike) Tressel."

I was talking about Coach D not Izzo.

If you believe that Izzo has never been close to leaving than you yourself are guilty of not taking off your glasses to see the real world and believe everything that is said about green and white.

You are as bad towards MSU as any UM supporter is on this board.

Demens and his family will be looking for certain "traits" on their trips.

"Well, first off, I'm going to look at the jerseys. And I want a place I can call my home, so I'll be looking at the closet space and can I easily wear logoed hoodies to school in that city and town. Also, how well I get along with the equipment manager and sponsors and everything else that affects my wardrobe. For my mom, it's shoes, shoes, shoes. What's also important to her is she wants to be able to see the swoosh with her binoculars."

The 6-foot-1, 224-pound Demens racked up 90 total Nike jerseys from various schools as a junior, with 15 of them being authentic. Though the Cornhuskers and Spartans remain his co-leaders, there are still a handful of additional schools that he's giving a hard look at, as long as they aren't under contract with adidas.

"Yeah, I'm still considering any other other Nike schools. I probably will not take unofficial visits to any of them, unless they send me swooshed apparel in advance, but I might take official visits to some of them without that. I'm not sure, but right now I'd say that I want to get as much logoed clothing as possible. I might not get around to getting everything before I make a decision, though.

Has Glenn ever posted anything with substance to it at all? Not joking, I don't know that I ever remember a post discussing anything whatsoever. Sarcastic Glenn response coming in 5...4...3...

2...1...

I had the Keith Nichol story first, but I left it for you.

Yes, though you'll likely find most of it in the NBA forum.

It's probably hard for you to see substance since you look for stuff that pushes your buttons like a self-fulfilling prophesy.

And word on Koger?

McCarthy has officially eliminated UM, it's between OSU and ND now.

The extremely slim chance at getting Pryor is pretty much eliminated now that Michigan is getting Weinke and Threet (who the Free Press thinks so highly enough that they expect he will give Mallett serious competition for the starting job at some point - otherwise speculation is that Mallett plays a bit this year and then starts for 3 years. Threet starts for his senior year after that, then Weinke would redshirt as a freshman and start the next year, barring any better QB commits between now and 5 years from now to steal the job)

I see Scout has an article about Trevor Robinson's trip to ND and UM. I don't think Art can comment on it. Anyone else have any info?

And word on Koger?

McCarthy has officially eliminated UM, it's between OSU and ND now.

The extremely slim chance at getting Pryor is pretty much eliminated now that Michigan is getting Weinke and Threet (who the Free Press thinks so highly enough that they expect he will give Mallett serious competition for the starting job at some point - otherwise speculation is that Mallett plays a bit this year and then starts for 3 years. Threet starts for his senior year after that, then Weinke would redshirt as a freshman and start the next year, barring any better QB commits between now and 5 years from now to steal the job)

I see Scout has an article about Trevor Robinson's trip to ND and UM. I don't think Art can comment on it. Anyone else have any info?

I have not heard about Koger but I believe Michigan has a very good shot at Hayle being that he seemed to have dropped OSU. Saddler might have let that slip out being he is 100% sure him and Hayle will be attending the same school and OSU has not offered Saddler...



Michigan, Syracuse, West Virginia and Virginia are the final four schools Saddler will choose from. Another factor that has been prominent in Saddler's recruitment from the beginning is his cousin, five-star linebacker Shayne Hale. The two have expressed a desire to attend the same school together and Hale has narrowed his list to Michigan, West Virginia, Virginia and Ohio State.

"When me and Shayne sat down for the last time, and we've debated it multiple, multiple times, we're both down to four schools and right now we are 100 percent sure we are going to go to school together," Saddler said. "We have three schools that are the same which are Michigan, West Virginia and Virginia, so we're going to run with those three and get a feel for those.

Yes, though you'll likely find most of it in the NBA forum.

It's probably hard for you to see substance since you look for stuff that pushes your buttons like a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Well its never been done here. Wondering about your relationship with Glenn.

Why? Because he lives in my closet? I know it seems strange but for the most part we have it under control. I give him a Michigan blanket to sleep with in there, and in return he bashes State on here. What's wrong with that?
By the way, Zip hacked into my computer and stole my password.

crickets

Latest on McGuffie-

The Sam McGuffie watch has been a little like sitting on your back porch watching your new grass that you planted a month and a half ago slowly come up only to get choked out by weeds (ok, that was a little personal rant). That's the way Sam wants it at this time, though. He's sequestered himself and just riding it out until he feels comfortable with a decision.

There is no announcement set for this weekend, and there was never one set up. He came off the Michigan trip looking like he could pop in a matter of days, but after the initial excitement of the trip wore off, he's decided to let it ride for a while longer. (Plus, I don't believe there is 100% unanimous support for one school at home, although there doesn't necessarily need to be).

What does this mean for Michigan? In the end, probably nothing because I expect this decision still does go for Michigan, but I would have been a lot more certain had he set up an announcement right off the visit. Michigan's chances are still good, but not a lock by any stretch.

Latest on McGuffie-

The Sam McGuffie watch has been a little like sitting on your back porch watching your new grass that you planted a month and a half ago slowly come up only to get choked out by weeds (ok, that was a little personal rant). That's the way Sam wants it at this time, though. He's sequestered himself and just riding it out until he feels comfortable with a decision.

There is no announcement set for this weekend, and there was never one set up. He came off the Michigan trip looking like he could pop in a matter of days, but after the initial excitement of the trip wore off, he's decided to let it ride for a while longer. (Plus, I don't believe there is 100% unanimous support for one school at home, although there doesn't necessarily need to be).

What does this mean for Michigan? In the end, probably nothing because I expect this decision still does go for Michigan, but I would have been a lot more certain had he set up an announcement right off the visit. Michigan's chances are still good, but not a lock by any stretch.

What about all those stories Art was telling us about him wanting to announce, but some TV show wasn't ready to air it and he was just waiting for them. What that all bs?

Koger to UM...suck on this one bitches.

Has it's own thread already, since he's a 4 star and that's how we roll.

Koger to UM...suck on this one bitches.

LOL! Classic Kemerer line!

I'm hopping on a plane Saturday morning and I'll be out for a week. Not sure that I'll have much online access during a week that I hope offers some verbals for both instate schools. I'll try to stay in touch with Tre to hear what's going on, so if he posts any Jethro quotes next week it's possible they're legit.

Heinz Ward and Ben Roethlisburger 'the started'...nobody else will get it.

Heinz Ward and Ben Roethlisburger 'the started'...nobody else will get it.


LOL

So I see on numerous sites that both Christian Wilson and Sam McGuffie are making their announcements relatively quick..............Do we have any news from the insiders regarding each player?

So I see on numerous sites that both Christian Wilson and Sam McGuffie are making their announcements relatively quick..............Do we have any news from the insiders regarding each player?


Seems like McGuffie has been ready to make an announcement for like 2 months.

Seems like McGuffie has been ready to make an announcement for like 2 months.

Thanks for the input on this thread Glenn.

LOL

And yet it's Glenn that posts irrelevant sidebars.

Thanks for the input on this thread Glenn.

Naw, I'd have to throw in some sort of sarcastic joke.

And yet it's Glenn that posts irrelevant sidebars.


And yet it's Glenn that posts irrelevant sidebars.

In case you're wondering, you've been kindof coming across like a dick on here lately. Glenn and I go at each other. It has nothing to do with you at all, yet you feel the need to fly in and defend Glenny like he can't defend himself and rip one of your boys for no reason at all.

The "LOL" was a response to Jickboy's joke that was thrown my way. Generally when somebody throws an inside joke your way, you respond. So you go out of your way to rip me for posting "LOL" and word hump Glenn while you're at it. Surprised we didn't hear more about his rhetoric. Not sure what your problem is.

They both should be announcing for UM.

I am tired of the McGuffie thing. Reportedly this Sunday on the tv show in Houston. I will post the whole story with him and his changing of announcing days as soon as all the info comes out.

I am hearing from insiders that State is not the biggest competition for Gray for UM (not that I expect UM to get him, just the way the person worded it).

In case you're wondering, you've been kindof coming across like a dick on here lately. Glenn and I go at each other. It has nothing to do with you at all, yet you feel the need to fly in and defend Glenny like he can't defend himself and rip one of your boys for no reason at all.

The "LOL" was a response to Jickboy's joke that was thrown my way. Generally when somebody throws an inside joke your way, you respond. So you go out of your way to rip me for posting "LOL" and word hump Glenn while you're at it. Surprised we didn't hear more about his rhetoric. Not sure what your problem is.

I think his problem is that he's got the sack to call you out when he sees fit.

That appears to be something you didn't expect or like.

Back on topic, thanks for the info, Art.

I suspect that other team to be.......Nebraska?

I think his problem is that he's got the sack to call you out when he sees fit.

That appears to be something you didn't expect or like.

Back on topic, thanks for the info, Art.

Yeah, I definately deserved to be called out. Why on earth would somebody post "LOL" on an internet mb?

Gray said his leader is MSU. Anybody saying MSU is not the biggest competition for him is just a bitter Michigan fan not wanting to give any sort of love to MSU in recruiting.

I saw on Scout that Fred Smith has an offer from OSU. If this is so, I believe the Fred Smith show will be debuting in Columbus. If this is old news, sue me.

I know Art already posted on this, but here's the info I got-

Four-star running back Sam McGuffie will make his intentions know this Sunday night on the same show that Darryl Stonum announced for Michigan on.

Insiders at AggieYell.com believe that McGuffie will choose Michigan.

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Sources have told us they're pretty darn confident he'll be announcing for Michigan. When asked if he was 100 percent, he laughed and said, "Nothing is 100 percent, but how about 90 percent."

Sweeeet!

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He's a playa.....and feels adidas (check the headband!) ha!

Dream on, Tre. Gray is hyped on the Corn. Local hacks out here were very impressed with him, and he lubbed him some Lincoln!
Of course, guys always have a boner for the latest place they've visited. Just don't be surprised if he ends up out here partying with ol' Zip Goshboots.