OK, you get Hoover (4 star TE); UM get's THREE 4 star TE's. You get Fred Smith (who was truly a UM lean, a 4 star), UM matches that, as an add on to the freshmen coming in this year (we can't yack about receivers, MSU seems to have a pretty good tradition there, and uM ALWAYS has great receivers).
You TALK top kids in Ohio, UM goes out an gets a 3 star and two 4 stars from the buckeye state. Drew Stevens (by Scout.com) is a 1 star out of Ohio.

Disingenuous, last time I checked, meant dishonest. I ain't being dishonest, I'm being realistic.
Saying UM "had no need for" Fred Smith is being disingenuous.

MSU doesn`t need "national pull". It merely needs Midwest pull. And as I have said before, RoJo and Barksdale were both seriously considering MSU til the very end. Also, Smith and Hoover chose MSU over UM. It seems to me there is already interest in MSU and once they put together three 7-8 wins seasons (which I believe will start this season), you will see more kids pick MSU over the "big boys".

Wow. Now THAT is a strange argument: MSU just needs "Midwest pull". As we all know, the last two years of Michigan High School recruiting have been bonanza, and are not typical. If this is a trend that will continue, then MSU may be onto something UNLESS it gets so good that UM turns itself inward with more passion.
As for Midwest Pull, right now Ron Zook is going to outdo MSU there, Notre Dame is just 20 miles from Michigan's border, Ohio State is in Ohio (with a pretty good track record there), Penn State and Pitt will corral most of Pennsylvania, and Rutgers may be coming on to keep some premium New Jersey talent.
Good luck with that one.

Saying UM "had no need for" Fred Smith is being disingenuous.

Our mutual friend HipDigIt (the Tom Jones of Spartan Nation) would vehemently disagree with you and has, here and on other boards.

Wow. Now THAT is a strange argument: MSU just needs "Midwest pull". As we all know, the last two years of Michigan High School recruiting have been bonanza, and are not typical. If this is a trend that will continue, then MSU may be onto something UNLESS it gets so good that UM turns itself inward with more passion.
As for Midwest Pull, right now Ron Zook is going to outdo MSU there, Notre Dame is just 20 miles from Michigan's border, Ohio State is in Ohio (with a pretty good track record there), Penn State and Pitt will corral most of Pennsylvania, and Rutgers may be coming on to keep some premium New Jersey talent.
Good luck with that one.
There is plenty of talent in the Midwest. Once MSU starts stringing bowl wins together (again I believe this will start this season) the kids will choose MSU. Its not that difficult to understand. Its just that you don`t want it to be.

Well, I have made all my points. They are cogent, and as usual I have relegated you to a pile of ashes.
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We shall see. I guess you have written a bold, brash check on a bowl game win for MSU. I have to say that that would certainly be encouraging for Spartans everywhere, and I also have to say that it will not happen.

Well, I have made all my points. They are cogent, and as usual I have relegated you to a pile of ashes.
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We shall see. I guess you have written a bold, brash check on a bowl game win for MSU. I have to say that that would certainly be encouraging for Spartans everywhere, and I also have to say that it will not happen.
You haven`t relegated anyone to a pile of ashes. You have your slant and refuse to understand the fact that once MSU starts winning and being successful (7-8 win seasons) the better recruits will come. Thus, leading to more wins, and better recruits, etc. I think you get the picture. Of course, this is all predicated on quality coaching, which I think will be the case with Dantonio.

once MSU starts winning and being successful (7-8 win seasons)

Who the fuck is the delerious one?

Starting off the first couple of seasons with 7 wins and then 8 next year is not out of question. Winning bowl games with a new tougher, business like coach isn't out of the question either.

But, I take more of a respect approach when it comes to a "taking over" in a sport. Michigan has been king of the hill in Michigan for quite some time so I'm not going to spout off about us quickly dethroning them. I would expect the same from UM fans in bball (even though I do remember "we now own bball" lines after a UM victory LOL). I don't think you can talk about a turnover like it will be easy, because if it was easy somebody would have done it already.

So I love your optimism and enthusiasm Bukdow and I share it. I don't like the arrogance of UM fans just assuming MSU won't be successful. But, I think talking takeover is waaay too premature. Ya gotta show respect to the king of the hill no matter how much you hate them (i despise michigan) because it takes a lot to get there.

Umm UM baseball made the Super Regionals or was it the COllege WS. They knocked off #1 seed Vanderbilt to get there.

UM also has a very good wrestling program, gymnastics, swimming and diving, etc.

MSU has about as much chance of taking over in football in the next 10 years as UM does of taking over basketball. ZERO. No fucking chance either of those things happen.

Do you assume that UM basketball will be unsuccessful Tre? Because it works both ways. MSU B-Ball is King of Michigan and UM football is King of Michigan.

I would say out of the 2 UM Bball has a much better chance to dethrone MSU and not just because I am a UM homer, but because it is easier to have a top 15 BBall class than it is to have a top 15 FBall class.

I am betting that MSU does not dethrone UM in the next 10 years in football and UM does not dethrone MSU in the next 10 years.

There are going to be the odd year will UM will beat MSU and MSU will be UM, but each will still be the king of their sport.

Starting off the first couple of seasons with 7 wins and then 8 next year is not out of question. Winning bowl games with a new tougher, business like coach isn't out of the question either.

But, I take more of a respect approach when it comes to a "taking over" in a sport. Michigan has been king of the hill in Michigan for quite some time so I'm not going to spout off about us quickly dethroning them. I would expect the same from UM fans in bball (even though I do remember "we now own bball" lines after a UM victory LOL). I don't think you can talk about a turnover like it will be easy, because if it was easy somebody would have done it already.

So I love your optimism and enthusiasm Bukdow and I share it. I don't like the arrogance of UM fans just assuming MSU won't be successful. But, I think talking takeover is waaay too premature. Ya gotta show respect to the king of the hill no matter how much you hate them (i despise michigan) because it takes a lot to get there.
I respect what UM football has achieved, albeit counter to their claims of academic superiority, but I don`t think that a time when MSU is very competitive is far off. Hell, with the disparity between the two programs the last 20 years you would think MSU wouldn`t stand a chance at getting recruits, but thats not the case. As I pointed out to Zippy numerous times, this year alone MSU has beat UM for two recruits. It seems if UM was so entrenched as the "king of the hill", kids would never choose MSU over UM, but they do. And when MSU gets its head out of its ass and consistently "measures up", its going to happen a whole hell of a lot more.

Umm UM baseball made the Super Regionals or was it the COllege WS. They knocked off #1 seed Vanderbilt to get there.

UM also has a very good wrestling program, gymnastics, swimming and diving, etc.

MSU has about as much chance of taking over in football in the next 10 years as UM does of taking over basketball. ZERO. No fucking chance either of those things happen.
Will you just shut up. When you talk about UM, you sound like a 10 year old talking about Batman. Good Lord, grow up and show some self-respect.

Starting off the first couple of seasons with 7 wins and then 8 next year is not out of question. Winning bowl games with a new tougher, business like coach isn't out of the question either.

So I love your optimism and enthusiasm Bukdow and I share it. I don't like the arrogance of UM fans just assuming MSU won't be successful. But, I think talking takeover is waaay too premature. Ya gotta show respect to the king of the hill no matter how much you hate them (i despise michigan) because it takes a lot to get there.

If Sparties can make predictions or have expectations like that, what the heck is wrong with UMers thinking Belein can win 20 and go dancing? What, exactly, are these expectations based on? You have lost your starting QB, have a new coach; the returning talent led MSU to nine wins over the last two seasons, and the incoming talent isn;t exciting. I'm soryy, but this shapes up for MSU just about the same way Sparties claim UM's babll season is shaping up.
As for next year, the recruiting better step up in a hurry, or Dantonio better be better than expected. I like the Dantonio hire, but contrast him to Belein, and Belein has a bette resume, irrespective of which sport it is.
As for the played out fucking way too tired "arrogance" shit: How is it any different than fans of The Izzo clamoring that UM b-ball is in such deep shit?
Fucking QUIT being what you accuse others of being and doing, otherwise, you're just another bukdow.
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LMAO Budkow. You truly are really funny. I am to the point where I get a kick out or your drivel.

Please post some more content bemoaning my intelligence and lack of education.

I wonder why someone of your obvious superior intellect bothers posting on some meaningless message board.

I love your attacks. I will just cover this board in UM related stuff.

Man, 20 visitors is what U-M used to host in December ... so the fall has become the major official visit 'event'.

Sept. 15th Notre Dame Game
- *NEW* Dallas CB Adrian Bushell (5-11, 180).
-- Greenville, S.C. safety J.T. Floyd (6-0, 185). He is a soft Tennessee commit. This visit may be unofficial with the OSU Game the official ... one thing to note - this one is a little under the radar, but there is actually some optimism here ...
-- Monroeville Gateway, Pa. teammates/cousins Shayne Hale (6-4, 235) and Cameron Saddler (5-8, 170). We double-checked - this is the correct date.

Sept. 22nd PSU Game
- *NEW* Fresno Edison CB Robert Golden (5-10, 190)
-- Butler N.C. S Spencer Adams ... visiting here, not Sept. 1st
-- Det. DL Mike Martin.
-- Abescon N.J. LB Marcus Witherspoon (6-2, 215)
-- Princeton Junction, N.J. LB J.B. Fitzgerald (6-3, 215)
-- New Brunswick, N.J. S Brandon Smith (6-3, 200)
-- Chandler, Ariz. TE.WR Dion Jordan (6-6, 210) ... we'll double-check this one.
-- Chandler, Ariz. CB Marc Anthony (5-10, 180)
-- Los Angeles Dorsey DB Rahim Moore (6-2, 190). We'll double-check this one.
-- Underclassmen
----- Lake Region, Fla. teammates: Jr. RB Aaron Williams (5-9, 204) and So. S Marvin Robinson (6-2, 185)

And there are some guys now who have recently hinted to GBW that they'd love to attend the OSU Game ... this is very tentative but we'll list them here:
-- Tenn. OT Preston Bailey
-- Louisiana CB Robbie Green
-- S.C. DB J.T. Floyd
-- Pa. WR Jon Baldwin

Despite giving a commitment to Arizona earlier this spring, Fresno (Calif.) Edison cornerback Robert Golden (5-11, 185, 4.53), the top-rated corner in the west for 2009, is still setting up official visits to schools outside of Tucson.

Golden has set four official visits for the fall, and he’s hoping to schedule one with a fifth school, assuming that school offers him.

“I’ve been hearing a lot more from UCLA,” said Golden. “I’m solid to Arizona, but I want to get an offer from UCLA and take an official visit there, too.”

Golden admitted that an offer from UCLA would have somewhat of an impact on him, especially given the Edison High connection to Westwood.

“Courtney Viney and me have been talking,” said Golden. “Courtney’s always talking UCLA up to me. I like that school a lot.”

Golden visited UCLA for Junior Day in February and returned in April for the spring scrimmage. His defensive backs coach, Tony Perry, and UCLA defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker, are longtime friends, and the interest from UCLA had always been there for Golden. But he said it was a matter of getting his transcripts to UCLA, which he says should be taken care of as soon as this week.

“I’m faxing off my transcripts to them myself (Thursday),” Golden said. “I’m going to do it myself if I have to.”

Still, Golden said he remains solid to Arizona, and thus far, he’s the defensive jewel in the Wildcats recruiting class.

Golden visited Arizona numerous times this summer, for various camps and to watch practice, and has been pretty active in talking with several other of the Arizona commits.

But he’s not planning on being exclusive with Arizona during the remaining recruiting process. Including an official visit to Arizona on November 3rd when they host UCLA, he’s arranged three other official visits. He’ll go to Georgia Tech on September 15th with high school teammate Brandon Leslie, then he’ll be at Michigan a week later when the Wolverines host Penn State. Finally, he’ll trip to Mississippi on November 3rd when they face Northwestern State.

This week, though, the bigger issue for Golden is the Tigers’ kickoff to the 2007 season, when they face Madera. Edison boasts what is possibly the best secondary in the country, and easily the top one on the west coast. Each of the four defensive backs have Pac-10 offers, two of them only juniors-to-be.

“We’re the only game in the Valley this weekend, so it’s going to be a sellout,” said Golden.

bukdow:
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If Sparties can make predictions or have expectations like that, what the heck is wrong with UMers thinking Belein can win 20 and go dancing? What, exactly, are these expectations based on? You have lost your starting QB, have a new coach; the returning talent led MSU to nine wins over the last two seasons, and the incoming talent isn;t exciting. I'm soryy, but this shapes up for MSU just about the same way Sparties claim UM's babll season is shaping up.
As for next year, the recruiting better step up in a hurry, or Dantonio better be better than expected. I like the Dantonio hire, but contrast him to Belein, and Belein has a bette resume, irrespective of which sport it is.
As for the played out fucking way too tired "arrogance" shit: How is it any different than fans of The Izzo clamoring that UM b-ball is in such deep shit?
Fucking QUIT being what you accuse others of being and doing, otherwise, you're just another bukdow.
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Zippy, lets make a little wager. I bet MSU football does better than UM basketball in their respective upcoming seasons. And by better I mean better than the previous year. Or how about this, MSU goes to a bowl game while UM basketball does not go to the NCAA tournament. The winner gets to create a semi-tasteful tagline for the other to use for a month. Whaddya say, Zippy?

If Sparties can make predictions or have expectations like that, what the heck is wrong with UMers thinking Belein can win 20 and go dancing? What, exactly, are these expectations based on? You have lost your starting QB, have a new coach; the returning talent led MSU to nine wins over the last two seasons, and the incoming talent isn;t exciting. I'm soryy, but this shapes up for MSU just about the same way Sparties claim UM's babll season is shaping up.
As for next year, the recruiting better step up in a hurry, or Dantonio better be better than expected. I like the Dantonio hire, but contrast him to Belein, and Belein has a bette resume, irrespective of which sport it is.
As for the played out fucking way too tired "arrogance" shit: How is it any different than fans of The Izzo clamoring that UM b-ball is in such deep shit?
Fucking QUIT being what you accuse others of being and doing, otherwise, you're just another bukdow.

Please read carefully because I've only repeated this a dozen times. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH UM FANS TO BE OPTIMISTIC ABOUT BBALL. Just because I completely disagree about their chances THIS YEAR, doesn't mean I believe there is something wrong with optimism for the future. Get it????!!!! Why do I have to repeat things a dozen fucking times to some of you Wolverines? The thing that I criticize about the UM faithful is giving MSU NO CHANCE of success in the future whatsoever. UM fans believing State has no chance of turning around its program is ridiculous. Big difference between discussing the upcoming season possibilities and the entire FUTURE. If you were optimistic about UM bball in the FUTURE, I wouldn't argue. The arrogance argument is layed down when I hear M fans claiming MSU football has no chance of success in the next few years. That's a joke and completley different than me predicting ONE bad year for UM in bball this season.

OK, except that NOT ONE UM fan to my reccollection has been anything but supportive of MSU being able to improve things in the long term. I don't think any UM fan doubts that Dantonio seems like a step up.
Where UMers are hopping off the bandwagon is at the point where some MSU people seem to be getting the feeling that MSU is "catching up" to UM. There isn;t any evidence of that at all.

bukdow: I've already stated my case for UM bball this year: Bad news. Probably a game or two over 500 overall, lower division in the Big 10. I'm not optimistic about UM basketball for a couple years.

OK, except that NOT ONE UM fan to my reccollection has been anything but supportive of MSU being able to improve things in the long term. I don't think any UM fan doubts that Dantonio seems like a step up.
Where UMers are hopping off the bandwagon is at the point where some MSU people seem to be getting the feeling that MSU is "catching up" to UM. There isn;t any evidence of that at all.

Well here is Jickboy's response to the possibility of 7-8 wins seasons in the future:


Bukdow wrote:
once MSU starts winning and being successful (7-8 win seasons)

Jickboy34 wrote:
Who the fuck is the delerious one?

Have you read Wil Ledzema's comments about Dantonio and MSU in the future? He claims Dantonio is horrible and State will be as well.

You said, "NOT ONE" well, there is two and it took me 2 minutes.

You cannot count Jickboy's blast at bukdow, because bukdow is an asshole and deserves it.
As for Ledezma, maybe he's just mad because he was traded.
Nevertheless, it IS arrogant for fans of The Izzo to do the same thing with regard to UM basketball that you accuse Michigan fans (the best, smartest, and most handsome football fans in the world) of doing. You can't argue that. If you do, I swear to gawd you'll regret it.

how 'bout that recruiting?

You cannot count Jickboy's blast at bukdow, because bukdow is an asshole and deserves it.
As for Ledezma, maybe he's just mad because he was traded.
Nevertheless, it IS arrogant for fans of The Izzo to do the same thing with regard to UM basketball that you accuse Michigan fans (the best, smartest, and most handsome football fans in the world) of doing. You can't argue that. If you do, I swear to gawd you'll regret it.

I'd agree with you if I found a bunch of Spartan fans claiming that Michigan will never be successful and if they were claiming Beilein is a horrible coach. But, I have yet to see that here. Pessimistic about this coming season? Yes. Entire future under Beilein, no.

I have given mad props to Coach D. I think if he can ever get a stud recruiter on his staff, he could do some real damage, but from everything I have regarding Coach D as a recruiter is that he lacks severely in this department.

I suspect MSU will play hard and not quit like they did for Smith, but I still think MSU struggles to go bowling this year.

Is State back in it for Demens, his timetable was moved back who are the two schools he's visiting? Scout member help me out.

I'm over it. Prima Donna prick. The latest version on college footballs "has Paris changed her Tampon this month" saga is that now Demens is getting lots of text messages from Burrell & Smith. He is recognizing the early love from Dantonio & Narduzzi when no one else knew he was 98.6. Blah, Blah, fucking Blah. Oh and he isn't going to announce on opening day like he has said off and on for 6 weeks. He's going to let the season "take it's course" yada,yada, fucking yada. Let him go whever the fuck he wants and good luck to him. Of course I take it all back if he chooses MSU. Then again fuck him anyway. I'm sick of his shit!!!

J.B. Fitzgerald deciding tonight...

I'm over it. Prima Donna prick. The latest version on college footballs "has Paris changed her Tampon this month" saga is that now Demens is getting lots of text messages from Burrell & Smith. He is recognizing the early love from Dantonio & Narduzzi when no one else knew he was 98.6. Blah, Blah, fucking Blah. Oh and he isn't going to announce on opening day like he has said off and on for 6 weeks. He's going to let the season "take it's course" yada,yada, fucking yada. Let him go whever the fuck he wants and good luck to him. Of course I take it all back if he chooses MSU. Then again fuck him anyway. I'm sick of his shit!!!
Thats right.

J.B. Fitzgerald deciding tonight...

JB is Blue making it 11 4 star commits so far. He's a 6'4", 225 LB (possibly a LB/DE hybrid or straight DE down the line) and runs a 4.7.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/JBFITZGERALD1_17200.JPG

This class is unbelievable and it's still early and the momentum is rolling. Shayne Hale would be real nice.

It says on scout that MSU got "their guy" yesterday with a commitment. Anybody know who they are talking about? Is this just another classic example of scout being way late on a previous commitment?

I was thinkin Chris Mcdonald, but Scout had him listed at DL like he should be. Rivals hasn't said anything so who knows. He must not be that monumental of a commit cause he would usually have more than one story on him.

It is some guy named Dion Guy - sources are very questionable.

That is what scout says. The story is on the

left.http://michiganstate.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=8&c=1&nid=3339315

That is what scout says. The story is on the

left.http://michiganstate.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=8&c=1&nid=3339315

It is based off of a newspaper article by a guy from Pennsylvania(for a DC guy) where he mentions that one of the teams in this big showdown had a kid going to MSU. The paper it is from has gotten 4 plus commitments wrong in the past year.

Also - bigger news - (though how big will not be known for a while)

Bobo Cissoko is visiting MSU vs. BG with Fred Smith.

Demens was at the MSU game.....FWIW.

It is based off of a newspaper article by a guy from Pennsylvania(for a DC guy) where he mentions that one of the teams in this big showdown had a kid going to MSU. The paper it is from has gotten 4 plus commitments wrong in the past year.

Also - bigger news - (though how big will not be known for a while)

Bobo Cissoko is visiting MSU vs. BG with Fred Smith.

You guys don;t want Cissoko, Tre has been telling us for a year how bad he is!

You guys don;t want Cissoko, Tre has been telling us for a year how bad he is!

Notice how I haven't this entire though.

I'll keep my own judgements.

But Tre has a pretty decent reason to dislike short Db's - Jaren Hayes vs. Braylon Edwards.

Tre never said he was bad, he only said that he was short, which he is. Don't try to start something Zip.

Tre never said he was bad, he only said that he was short, which he is. Don't try to start something Zip.

Thank you!


DrTre11 wrote: I also watched Bobo's video. I came away EXTREMELY impressed watching him, but going back to my old point, his size keeps him out of the top 2 in my opinion. Not just height, but overall strength and size.

You are exactly right on the short corner thing Detroit, I have a reason to dislike. Don't get me wrong though, I'd take a small Boubacar in a second.

Nebraska gave Callahan a 3 year extension today, not sure how that effects any specific recruits, but it will help him recruit in a general sense, for sure.

EDIT - A few of you were talking about Demens and hoping that Callahan's then job insecurity might keep him away from Nebraska (post #713ish in this thread).

I'm going to predict a couple of shockers here. MSU is going to look great again on Saturday and who knows about Michigan. With those developments and MD showing what type of program he is trying to establish, there are going to be a few recruiting surprises.

My first prediction, Kenny Demens is choosing State. I know he said it is between Michigan and Nebraska, but I'm predicting a switch. Not only is he going to choose State, it will be soon. The other...we'll see with time.

I hope you're not going to give MSU too much gas off UM's loss to Apple State, Tre.
Lloyd has lost many, MANY big games and still been able to recruit. He hasn;t had a sniff of greatness since 1997, and can still recruit.
Now, we all know Lloyd is on life support, that he's a dead duck, that he's FUCKED, and will be gone.
Who they get will determine alot more than one more embarrasing loss. Michigan recruits itself in large part also. Don't get ahead of yourself.

I hope you're not going to give MSU too much gas off UM's loss to Apple State, Tre.
Lloyd has lost many, MANY big games and still been able to recruit. He hasn;t had a sniff of greatness since 1997, and can still recruit.
Now, we all know Lloyd is on life support, that he's a dead duck, that he's FUCKED, and will be gone.
Who they get will determine alot more than one more embarrasing loss. Michigan recruits itself in large part also. Don't get ahead of yourself.

It's just a hunch. Lloyd can no doubt recruit, but a couple of in-staters were on the fence in deciding. I believe the recent events are going to sway them in addition to Fred Smith who is sounding like he is putting in serious recruiting work since his commitment.

So, UM's recruits are "on the fence", but MSU's are rock solid locks?
Gee, whatever could THAT be attributed to.
Could it be....

TRE"S BIAS???

So, UM's recruits are "on the fence", but MSU's are rock solid locks?
Gee, whatever could THAT be attributed to.
Could it be....

TRE"S BIAS???

Okay, you're retarded. I know you don't follow recruiting all that much, but I'm talking about the uncommitted kids, not the kids committed to Michigan. Like Demens and Nick Smith who are trying to choose between State and Michigan as we speak. If you aren't up on a subject, don't post because you just sounded really dumb.

Oh geezus, I sounded "dumb" about recruiting. What am I going to do? You made a vague statement, Tre, and I followed up.
Anyway, my freind HipDigIt informed me that Nebraska has re-upped Callahan for three years. This should look good to Demens, who no doubt may be worried about Callahan and his staff at Nebraska.
My feeling is that if Demens was going to State, he would have made that announcement already. I think he's 60-40 Nebrasky-UM. He probably wants to see if he can fit in at UM before making a decision. The longer this drags out, the more he gets away from Dantonio, IMO.
Is that cogent?

Okay, you're retarded. I know you don't follow recruiting all that much, but I'm talking about the uncommitted kids, not the kids committed to Michigan. Like Demens and Nick Smith who are trying to choose between State and Michigan as we speak. If you aren't up on a subject, don't post because you just sounded really dumb.

....you speak of Nick Perry. All indications are Perry is an MSU lean TODAY. You know how that shit goes. As for Demens? I think it's Nebraska 50% MSU 40% U of Mum 10%.

Nick SMITH???

http://i.pbase.com/u49/growf/small/36893098.BobRoss.jpg

....you speak of Nick Perry. All indications are Perry is an MSU lean TODAY. You know how that shit goes. As for Demens? I think it's Nebraska 50% MSU 40% U of Mum 10%.

haha, I rip Zip for sounding like a dumbass and then I keep calling Perry, Smith. My bad, I've done that like 3 times here at least, not sure why.

Zip, I said it was a hunch on Demens. I'm not basing it on anything other than that. One thing you said though seemed completely untrue. Why would the longer wait hurt Dantonio's chances? If State continues to look good while UM continues to look bad, how would that hurt?

I agree with Hip, chances are probably Neb, then MSU, followed by UM last. UM's defense can not help matters one bit with his recruitment. I still believe he's going to shock everybody and choose State. I guess we'll see.

http://www.spartannation.com/

Is the Guy and Adams articles really reliable.

I sure as hell hope so, because according to Scout, Michigan State just got a commitment from standout corner Johnny Adams. Adams had a bunch of big offers on the table and was close to getting more. But according to scout, Adams chose the Spartans. This kid has all kinds of swagger and has the skills to back it up. I hope the article is true, but like I've said in the past, I don't trust scout because they are wrong all the time.

Rivals insiders are usually informed immediately. I guess we'll see, this would be a big one.

I sure as hell hope so, because according to Scout, Michigan State just got a commitment from standout corner Johnny Adams. Adams had a bunch of big offers on the table and was close to getting more. But according to scout, Adams chose the Spartans. This kid has all kinds of swagger and has the skills to back it up. I hope the article is true, but like I've said in the past, I don't trust scout because they are wrong all the time.

Rivals insiders are usually informed immediately. I guess we'll see, this would be a big one.
Adams is a Spartan, unsure about the kid from DC.

Commitment coming?: Neiko Lipscomb would like to make an early commitment, but he says he has to visit Michigan State, Alabama and Auburn first. Those three along with Georgia are his finalists, but the only school he has visited is UGA. He has family in Michigan, so the Spartans are a school to watch. Rivals.com

Video of J Adams.

http://www.scoutingohio.com/JohnAdams2008.htm

Adams becomes a 4 star before the end of the year. Most will think I'm going homer and biased on this until they watch his video. Click on that video, everybody. The most impressive video I've seen outside of McGuffie this year. The kid is lightning fast and he's got swagger.

Somebody watch that video and either call me a homer for hyping the hell out of Adams or call it legit. I want to know if everybody is as impressed as I was watching that kid.

JFYI, Johny Adams nickname is "Mr Excitement".

He seems to have a little Tedd Ginn Jr in him. Kid ran some fast times as a junior in high school and he has good size as well. The team hasn't had a gamebreaking kick/punt returner since DeAndre Cobb and we all know how much Cobb meant to the team. Now I've been hearing that Johny is fundamentally a little raw but if he can bring some skill to the defensive backfield to go along with his obvious speed...he could be something special.

I like what Dantonio is doing.

I'll continue that nickname and use it throughout his MSU career. It seems absolutely fitting after watching his video. I'd like some of the Wolverines to watch and give their maize and blue opinion. I don't even think with bias they could hate on him.

If he goes to MSU, then he's on my shit list forever.

Honestly, if you are a top recruit, WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU GO TO MICHIGAN RIGHT NOW????????? The team is in disarray and you have no idea who your coach will be when you come in. And if it is in fact the same staff as this season, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE THERE?

Boubacar has got to be thinking about being a Spartan and Demens has to be feeling the same if he isn't into corn fields.

It'll be real interesting if any recruits open their recruitment back up. I don't feel like I'm being a hater, just a realist.

Kids always rethink their option when the coach that recruited them leaves. Just ask Keith Nichol.
I am wondering if Lloyd has been telling recruits that they will come to Michigan and probably finish their careers at UM without Lloyd being the coach by then.
As for why would recruits want to go there:
The next coach will be a name. Miles. Tedford. Rich Rodriguez. Greg Schiano. Someone big, someone solid. Someone who can work with the talent.
You keep going against yourself, too:
Does Michigan recruit itself? Many think so. If that's the case, these kids are coming. If not, if it rreally is Lloyd, then maybe you lose some.
I don;t know that there is anyone alive who thought Lloyd would be at UM past, at the absolute latest, 2008. There is a strong possibility he may have been up front with the recruits about that, and that may in fact be why UM is having such a stellar class so far.

Dream on, though. If I were a Sparty I'd hang onto whatever threads of hope there were.

Dream on, though. If I were a Sparty I'd hang onto whatever threads of hope there were.

I'd say as a Spartan football fan, we have a helluva lot more hope right now than UM fans do for a change.

I'd say as a Spartan football fan, we have a helluva lot more hope right now than UM fans do for a change.

Your only hope is that Carr gets re-upped for life.
When UM annnounces the opening of it's football coaching job, you can start shitting your pants, and you know it.

Your only hope is that Carr gets re-upped for life.
When UM annnounces the opening of it's football coaching job, you can start shitting your pants, and you know it.

No. I really don't think you are going to get better than the best team(on average) in college football.

I really don't think that MSU has much more to worry about. Every single coach in the nation has done worse than UM(when looking at a decent stretch of time).

I don;t understand your arguments, DSC, much less disagree with them.
If I'm right, the tone of your argument is that UM should be right satisfied with winning 75% of their games (even if those wins are mostly against shit), lose the majority of their bowl games, continue to be Jim Tressel's bitch, use unimaginative offensive schemes and defenses that get crushed by more athletic and physical offenses, and then have the national media laugh at them after over rating them every ore season.
Sounds like a great deal I hope you Sparties will find that satisfying.

What happened to Guy on scout.

I don;t understand your arguments, DSC, much less disagree with them.
If I'm right, the tone of your argument is that UM should be right satisfied with winning 75% of their games (even if those wins are mostly against shit), lose the majority of their bowl games, continue to be Jim Tressel's bitch, use unimaginative offensive schemes and defenses that get crushed by more athletic and physical offenses, and then have the national media laugh at them after over rating them every ore season.
Sounds like a great deal I hope you Sparties will find that satisfying.

My point is that you aren't going to be more successful than you have been. You might swap 2 10-2 seasons for 1 12-0 and 1 8-4, but that is the absolute best case.

And because MSU wasn't OSU or playing you in a bowl, somebody else is more likely to lose to MSU, as they will obviously have more emphasis put on those games, rather than MSU and other 'lesser' games.

If UM had the best Win%, it is incredibly likely that that will go up(at least significantly). Therefore, MSU has nothing to fear, UM can't beat them more often than every year.

UM can only stay even or worse against MSU. And as I project MSU moving upword(relative to Bobby and JLS), and UM at best staying plateaued, I have nothing to fear.

DSC:
LLoyd has had three out of thirteen seasons where he has lost less than three games. He usually loses three to four games per year. At a school like Michigan, regularly regarded as one of the best in the country (potential wise), that just isn;t making the grade, and leaves plenty of room for improvement.
Examine Nebraska's record from the time Tom Osborned took over until he retired: Never won less than nine games; there were five teams in his conference that he lost to two times or less in 26 years; Not only won three national championships, but played in two other NC games, losing those games by a total of three points. There are more, but it's too early in the morning.
Now I'd have to agree that UM isn;t going to go 12-1 every year or even every other year, and their winning percentage isn't going to get much higher than 75. However, the program is in decline, UM IS 9-19 in their last 28 bowl games, OSU has gained the upper hand, and UM is starting to look very pedestrian even against so called "lesser" competition.
There is plenty of room for improvement.

What happened to Guy on scout.
Evidently as of 9/8 Scout got in contact with the kid and the commitment, and offer, is legit.

Kenny Demens might be in attendence at the Pitt. game this weekend. I'm glad, it is a winnable game but also a game that gets you a little respect if you can pull it out.

He said he is definately coming to the Indiana night game and that will be perfect. Night games at MSU are amazing and he'll love the atmosphere! I think I'm going to go to that one as well, I'll see if I can holler a few good things his direction.

Demens was in attendence last week against Oregon. All I can say is damn. Could you pick a worse weekend for a high end recruit to see? There had to be tons of booing, lack of noise, etc.. Not to mention UM getting smoked.

Interesting stuff on Demens in the News today. Like I said, the more this drags out, the more he may find a fit at Michigan. I'll bet one dollar that he ends up in Ann Arbor.

Good read on Nikko Lipscomb

http://www.greenandwhite.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070913/GW/709130339/1023

I heard Demens is coming to UM (this weekend and for college).

Demens parents want him to go to Michigan strickly because of academics. His mom really wants him to go to Michigan because she has become familiar with what they have to offer academically.

Not sure where you heard the Demens stuff Art because in an interview a couple of days ago he said he might come to State this weekend. Seems weird that he would come back to AA for a second straight weekend if he is in fact trying to compare his choices. Shocking that he'd choose UM right now after his trip last weekend too. But, if his parents are pushing academics, he can't go wrong there. Seems like so much is in the air with the coaching situation, it would scare me as a player honestly.

Demens parents want him to go to Michigan strickly because of academics. His mom really wants him to go to Michigan because she has become familiar with what they have to offer in that regards.

Not sure where you heard the Demens stuff Art because in an interview a couple of days ago he said he might come to State this weekend. Seems weird that he would come back to AA for a second straight weekend if he is in fact trying to compare his choices. Shocking that he'd choose UM right now after his trip last weekend too. But, if his parents are pushing academics, he can't go wrong there. Seems like so much is in the air with the coaching situation, it would scare me as a player honestly.

I think sometimes too much is read into situations like that from a fan's perspective.
Over the years, UM's classes (HipDigIt can back me on this), don't rank a highly as we perceive. They usually come in about 10-20. What this tells me is that Lloyd isn;t the "master recruiter" some give him credit for. It also tells me that the Michigan brand sells itself to a pretty large degree.
A new coach, with new energy and a new approach would, IMO, be more of a positive than losing Lloyd. So far all the recruits appear to be solid locks, no matter what. Again, I have to believe that Lloyd is being up front with these kids and telling them he may not be there as long as they are.
As for the possible turmoil, the only turmoil is whether Lloyd comes back. If he does, fine, the kids he has locked in will come. If he goes, you gotta believe UM won't go Bobby Williams, that it will be a name coach with a good reputation, and the kids will come.
And the kids, like Demens said in the News, are looking for the best fit for them. Right now, there is more up in the air with personnel than coaching, and kids are going to see UM as a place that they can come to and contribute fairly quickly.
It's an exciting time to be a Michigan Fan!

I think sometimes too much is read into situations like that from a fan's perspective.
Over the years, UM's classes (HipDigIt can back me on this), don't rank a highly as we perceive. They usually come in about 10-20. What this tells me is that Lloyd isn;t the "master recruiter" some give him credit for. It also tells me that the Michigan brand sells itself to a pretty large degree.


Or the complete opposite and Bo was also a great recruiter.

Bo? Hasn't coached UM since '91. This is kind of about the present, and where Lloyd and UM are now.

It is being reported on the UM scout site that Demens and Perry both be in for the ND game.

I think sometimes too much is read into situations like that from a fan's perspective.
Over the years, UM's classes (HipDigIt can back me on this), don't rank a highly as we perceive. They usually come in about 10-20. What this tells me is that Lloyd isn;t the "master recruiter" some give him credit for. It also tells me that the Michigan brand sells itself to a pretty large degree.
A new coach, with new energy and a new approach would, IMO, be more of a positive than losing Lloyd. So far all the recruits appear to be solid locks, no matter what. Again, I have to believe that Lloyd is being up front with these kids and telling them he may not be there as long as they are.
As for the possible turmoil, the only turmoil is whether Lloyd comes back. If he does, fine, the kids he has locked in will come. If he goes, you gotta believe UM won't go Bobby Williams, that it will be a name coach with a good reputation, and the kids will come.
And the kids, like Demens said in the News, are looking for the best fit for them. Right now, there is more up in the air with personnel than coaching, and kids are going to see UM as a place that they can come to and contribute fairly quickly.
It's an exciting time to be a Michigan Fan!

Exciting time to be a Michigan fan? Damn, you sound like Jim Carty! I understand what you mean by that, but it would have been an exciting time if Michigan was undefeated running for a National Title with Lloyd close to retiring.

The part that would push kids away in my opinion is the coach situation being unsettled. Kids in a way commit to a coach and if the one that recruited you is gone, that would hurt if I was the recruit. I wouldn't want the uncertainty no matter how promising.

It is being reported on the UM scout site that Demens and Perry both be in for the ND game.

No offense because I know you are connected to Scout, but hopefully this is one of their waaay inaccurate postings. They've had many lately.

Everything is fluid in the world of recruiting. What is right one day is wrong the next.

Michigan recruiting is good but not great. They do fine with WR and RB, but we have struggled with CBs and S over the last couple of years and LBs too.

Everything runs in a cycle.

Tre this was the year that UM was supposed to go for the NC.

All that offensive talent and while the secondary was supposed to be shaky the Dline and LBs were supposed to be alright.

Henne has been terrible. I dont care that they scored 32 points against App State. They should have scored 60. He has missed so many wide open receivers.

All the commits have said they are solid. I think most of them know Carr was leaving after this year anyways, so Carr leaving shouldnt hurt recruiting.

There are two errors here that I caught. Dutch and Harrison are still on the roster. otherwise this is revealing a very high attrition rate.

OK, this has been bugging me, big time. People are saying their recruiting classes are all world, yet I look at their depth chart and I see 3 things that don't back that up:

1) They are thin at many positions, including OL (young), TE (average), RB Depth, LB talent overall
2) They have questionable speed, especially on defense
3) Their 2-Deep is populated by true freshmen, RS FR, Soph's and 3 Stars

So what gives?? Where are the 4 and 5 year Studs in their 2 Deeps?

Well here is the answer - In their 04, 05, and 06 Classes, they recruited 4 - 5 Stars and 33 - 4 Stars. Of those 37 players, only 16 are on the active roster at this time, and none of the 5 Stars are active!

So, the guys that would be their 3, 4 and 5 year upper classmen have largely defected, due to busting out, injuries, or graduating or leaving for the NFL.

When you consider that thye have only 16 upper classmen that were 4 and 5 Star recruits, that makes their roster much more similar to Iowa's, Illinois', and Notre Dame's, and definitely behind PSU, OSU and other nationally ranked teams.

Here are the players that are gone or inactive from those classes:

03 4 ST Jeff Zuttah - OL (gone, injury)
03 4 ST Clayton Richard - QB (Gone, bust)
03 5 St Lamar Woodley - DE (Gone - NFL)
03 5 ST Prescott Burgess - LB (Gone, NFL)
03 4 ST Leon Hall - DB (Gone, NFL)
03 4 ST Jerome Jackson - RB (Gone, bust)
03 4 ST Quinton McCoy - DB (Gone, bust)
03 4 ST Ryan Mundy - DB (Gone, transfer)
03 4 ST Will Paul - TE (Gone, bust)
03 4 ST Jim Pressley - LB (Gone, bust)

04 5 ST Chad Henne - QB (Out, injured)
04 4 ST A. Branch - DT (Gone, NFL)
04 4 ST Doug Dutch - WR (Gone, bust)
04 4 ST Brett Gallimore (Gone, bust)
04 4 ST Chris Rogers - DB (Gone, transfer)
04 4 ST Max Martin - RB (Gone, transfer, bust)

05 5 ST Kevin Grady - RB (Out, Injury, bust?)
05 4 ST Antonio Bass - Ath (Out, injury)
05 4 ST Eugene Germany - OL (Gone, bust)
05 4 ST Brandon Harrison - OL (Gone, legal, bust)
05 4 ST James McKinney - DT (Gone, bust)
05 4 ST Marques Slocum - DT (1st yr player, due to academics. Not in 2 deeps)

By the way, the players left from those classes, all 4 stars, are:

03 - Krause, Long, Crable
04 - Trent, Arrington, Manningham, C. Graham, Jamison, johnson, Massey, Mitchell
05 - Moosman, Shifano, Taylor, Manningham, Zirbel, Slocum

Moosman, Shifano, Zirbel and Rogers do not start. So, they have 11 4 Star upper-classmen that start.

That's some good shit HipDigIt! Good work man, I enjoyed the read.

Hondo says he is the first to unveil the commit of Caulton Ray to the Spartans following their victory of Pittsburgh.

I thought it was known that Ray was MSU-bound over a week ago?

He was but supposedly never pulled the trigger until Saturday.

http://spartannation.com/?p=3030

I thought it was known that Ray was MSU-bound over a week ago?

All this tight lipped shit has to do with Ray wanting his Moms to see MSU academics before he gives his OFFICIAL statement. Whatever. Boring.

I have been hearing rumors that Larry Caper out of Battle Creek is an MSU soft verbal. He is a 5-star 2009 RB.

Demens is going to announce before he visits MSU or Nebraska.

Hearing it is UM more and more of a lock.

I have been hearing rumors that Larry Caper out of Battle Creek is an MSU soft verbal. He is a 5-star 2009 RB.

Thats gotta be to good to be true.

I have been hearing rumors that Larry Caper out of Battle Creek is an MSU soft verbal. He is a 5-star 2009 RB.

The only RB who ever came out of Battle Creek Central was a guy named Jesse Fleming in like 1960. He went to Arizona State and Frank Kush made him a DE. I'll believe this when I see it. His family is a "Green Family" FWIW. Uh, in this instance they don't neccessarily recycle.

Thats gotta be to good to be true.
Probably, but who knows. Kids want to come to MSU, but they want to win too. A couple of good seasons will have kids not just seriously looking at MSU, but committing.

If we got not a 4 star, but 5 star running back in EL with this style of offense, it would be monumental. It would be sooo big. Where did you hear this Bukdow?

Read up on Capers a bit. He has a chance to be the #1 running back in the country next year. He comes from a Spartan family? I'm loving it, get him MD. A solid season (7-5) from the Spartans would probably be what we need to convince a player of that magnitude.

I checked on some things regarding Capers....he has been rumored to be a soft commit to 2 different schools that wear green.

Both the green schools will be a major player for him.

I'm guessing Michigan State and Oregon unless I'm missing somebody. Boy, the recruitment of MarQuies Gray and Capers between MSU and Oregon will go a long way in shaping the future of each program. My early prediction is Gray to Oregon, Capers to MSU.

Thanks for the info Art.

He must love him some Nike.

I actually meant ND.

I dont know what color I would say the Ducks are....puke yellow? Or puke green?

Notre Dame? Sweet, that's good news. I don't care how good of a recruiter Weis is, this year will hurt him with recruits uncommitted. They've looked like a circus lately. BTW, I would never ever commit to Notre Dame as a running back. Weis refuses to run the ball.

Rivals article:
Greg Chrapek

The Michigan State pass rush has been a major highlight of the team this year and one of the best high school pass rushers in the state has taken notice.

Through three games this fall, the Spartan defense has produced a total of 18 sacks. That number is not lost on Detroit Martin Luther King defensive end/linebacker Nick Perry.

Nick Perry has 16 sacks through four games this season.
The 6-foot-5, 230-pound Perry is a sack-master in his own right and appreciates an aggressive defense.

"They (Michigan State) have been making a good impression," said Perry, a national Top 250 recruit ranked the No. 7 defensive end in the nation. "I see the way they get to the football and I like it. I like how they are aggressive on defense and get to the football."

Like the Spartans, Perry is having a banner year in the sack department. The Martin Luther King star has recorded 16 sacks through four games. That number has well eclipsed the 11 sacks that he totaled as a junior.

Perry has been playing both defensive end and outside linebacker for King this season. Perry has helped King open the season with four straight wins and the King defense has allowed just one touchdown in four games.

"I'm having a pretty good season," said Perry, who played at Mackenzie last season before the school was closed this summer. "We're off to a pretty good start and it's good. I can't complain about the change. It's always good to have some change. They are glad I'm here and I want to help them win a state championship."

Perry has not made any official visits yet and does not plan on making an official visit to any school until after his season is completed. Perry does not have a clear favorite and lists Michigan State, Michigan, Iowa, Purdue and West Virginia as all equal.

"It's pretty much even right now," Perry said. "I will make it down for a game (at Michigan State) but I don't know when. I probably won't make a decision until close to the end and will not make any official visits until after my season is done."

Perry and his teammates will go for win number five this Friday when they play Cass Tech.

"Our next three games are pretty big," Perry said. "We want to make the playoffs and win a state championship this year."

Perry is PROMINENT on the USC HIT LIST as of last week. They're going after him. He can commute with Rojo.

UM is in good shape for Perry.

I agree with Hip. USC is making major push for him.

Damn Art seems like you've said that about everybody. Either you're getting the UM biased info or UM is still cleaning up.

I dont say that about everybody.

In fact what did I say about Capers? Michigan is not out of it for Capers, but I wouldnt be shocked to see him go either color of green.

I said for most of the recruitment for Jonas Gray that UM would not be a major factor.

I only really reply who is tight with Michigan and stay away from recruits that are going elsewhere.

Did I ever say anything about Ray? Nope, not a recruit Michigan going after.

So of course, my info is going to be biased. I am saying what I am hearing. I do not even pass along 20% of the info I hear from different places. Because recruiting is so fluid it can make you look stupider than you already are.

It seems to me that Mark Dantonio isn't getting enough recruit visits locked. If you really want to haul in recruits you need to get them to a stadium atmosphere and official visits of the campus. Sure a guy from detroit can drive up with buds and see the game but they need to see team interactions and get "backstage" passes towards their potential future team. It seems like last year MD got good talent on campus late in the process but why not this early? I hope MD is just waiting for the big games like UofM and PSU instead of ignoring the recruiting process during the football season.

Perry was at UM for the PSU game. Got a lot of love from the fans.

BTW a name I have dropped in the past Marvin Robinson Jr. He is a 6'2 185 pound S from Florida. Sophomore. Huge Michigan fan. Already has an offer. Some people in Florida (not UM people) say he could be the best safety to come out of HS there including S. Taylor and R. Nelson.

He had his whole family up this weekend and they all had on UM gear.

B. Smith got a lot of love this weekend and is feeling Michigan right now.

Thanks Art, but so far it's all just tenuous, at best.

Robinson would have committed this weekend, but the powers to be thought it was too much pressure to put on a 15 year old from Florida. All the pressure from the hometown people.

Robinson is a HUGE Michigan fan, as is his family.

Caulton Ray, Bro' Rice RB has verballed to MSU. 3-Star and cousin to Demens. I don't think it will have any bearing on KD though. Dude is Bluer than Kelssey's Nuts.

Sept 29th 1 p.m. Demens announces.

hey Art, i was just curious if you know what happened to slocum.

thanks

Slocum got in trouble for underage drinking 2 days before the 1st or 2nd game of the season.

Plus the facebook thing didnt help. He is in the doghouse.

B. graham has an arrest warrant out for failing to appear in court. I believe that was from playing music too loud.

I hate people who blast their music for all of to have headaches from too much bass and therefore 10 years would not be too much for this.

Quoted today in the Omaha Fishwrap:

Jonas Gray on what Demens is thinking (about The Corn): "Right now, I feel good about it. I don't think he'll go to Michigan, and I know he won't go to Michigan State"

Sounds like a lock for the Green now.

I would be very, very surprised if he goes to Nebraska....75% is what I am hearing towards Blue.

I would be very, very surprised if he goes to Nebraska....75% is what I am hearing towards Blue.
Don`t get out your party streamers yet, MSU is still in this.

UM 90% chance of getting Demens.

UM 90% chance of getting Demens.
We`ll see, toady.

Yeah.

Wow with Tre your powers of being an ass are diminished. I mean that is pretty weak.

Come on, he just called you a toady!




Unless, he really meant "today".

Also, Art just edited his post so mine doesn't really make sense anymore.

I'd bet Demens to UM there Bukdow. Not 100%, but 95%.

We`ll see, toady.

You want the truth, faggot ?
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!
DEMENS IS GOING TO MICHIGAN!!!

http://intheouter.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/img_fewgoodmen.jpg

We`ll see, toady.

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/baby_1.jpg

^ Typical Michigan arrogance.

http://mr.troligt.com/leet/dawson-crying.jpg

Slocum got in trouble for underage drinking 2 days before the 1st or 2nd game of the season.

Plus the facebook thing didnt help. He is in the doghouse.

Thanks for the info

Demens to UM is official, btw

I don't follow this shit, so if he's a 5 star, someone can go ahead and start the dedicated thread, lol

Is he going to be eligible? Or should UM wait until next years OSU game to find out.

Is he going to be eligible? Or should UM wait until next years OSU game to find out.

Yes, the kid is smart.

And on a different note:

MSU seems to have gotten a commitment from Jerrell Worthy a DT out of Ohio. 2 star kid, but had an offer from Nebraska to go along with MAC + Cinci.

Yes, the kid is smart.

And on a different note:

MSU seems to have gotten a commitment from Jerrell Worthy a DT out of Ohio. 2 star kid, but had an offer from Nebraska to go along with MAC + Cinci.

Rivals made comment Worthy was among the best 10 performers in camp despite the position. The 2-Star will probably change after the season. The reality is this is going to be a 2-3 star laden year for MSU. Coach D will have to coach 'em up. The Cheezitz game was a nice little message to kids out there. A Bowl Game will make it even better.

Looks like Dandridge is going to be a Gopher.


Jonathan Dandridge did not make a commitment while on his official visit to Minnesota this weekend, but it may not take him long to wrap it up. Scout.com caught up with him for his latest thoughts regarding the recruiting process.

Scout.com three-star prospect Jonathan Dandridge, a 6-foot-0, 170-pound cornerback from Highland Park Community High in Mich., had a great time on his official visit to Minnesota last weekend despite the fact that the Golden Gophers were roughed up by Ohio State.

"They did not play too good, but they need some help," Dandridge said.

"They took me around to very part of the campus. They showed me the football complex and the field. I thought it was good.It was a good experience being there." Dandridge thinks that with the right talents that the Gopher team will be very good in the future.

"I hope so," Dandridge responded when asked if the new staff had the school headed in the right direction.

"I think they are. I think they can. I like the school. I am feeling like I am pretty close to making my commitment." After admitting that Minnesota had the lead Dandridge went as far to say that there was not even really a close second at this point in time.

"There is no one else really," Dandridge began. "I am coming down to my final decision."

"I am going to the school that is actually pursuing me the most, and they are pursuing me the most. I feel I can get the most amount of playing time there."

"It (his decision) will be in the next couple of days."

If a guy picks the Golden Goophers over Sparty, that's a pretty severe condemnation of MSU.

If a guy picks the Golden Goophers over Sparty, that's a pretty severe condemnation of MSU.

Well considering he hasn't gotten a call since Adams committed, not so sure. Lipsomb, Darks, and a couple other DB's ranked higher on MD's list as far as I can tell.

Apparently MSU isn't taking a quarterback this year, so we have all but cut off contact with Marqueis Gray too, even though we had a great shot at him.

State is recruiting a two way star in Ed Tinker. This kid is a 3 star, but his arms are 5 stars. I'm talking Kellen Davis arms. Look at his pic on rivals, absolutely sick physique for a high schooler.

Well considering he hasn't gotten a call since Adams committed, not so sure. Lipsomb, Darks, and a couple other DB's ranked higher on MD's list as far as I can tell.

Apparently MSU isn't taking a quarterback this year, so we have all but cut off contact with Marqueis Gray too, even though we had a great shot at him.
Wow, wasn`t aware of that. Interesting.

Wow, wasn`t aware of that. Interesting.

I'd take Gray personally, but that is just me. Guess MD is pretty impressed with Cousins and Foles.

I'd take Gray personally, but that is just me. Guess MD is pretty impressed with Cousins and Foles.
Either that or he has is eye on a 2009 kid. Aren`t there a couple Michigan kids that are ranked pretty high in the 2009 QB class? However, I agree, I would take Gray too.

Dion Guy now officially verballed to MSU says Hondo and there is a friend interested as well.

http://spartannation.com/?p=3158

Dion Guy now officially verballed to MSU says Hondo and there is a friend interested as well.

http://spartannation.com/?p=3158

Hadn't seen it in Rivals. Thanks.

Moodini is back, and so is McGuffie-

McGuffie carried the ball 32 times for 261 yards last Friday (8.2 yards per carry) and scored four touchdowns … He gained 190 yards in the first half alone.

Also, his next game will be televised Thursday night on ESPN2.

For bukdow:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/40/407230.jpg

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/SAMMCGUFFIE7_25200.JPG

Congrats on the wedding, Mood.

Due to the Nebraska meltdown, there are rumblings about Jonas Gray re-opening his recruitment and attending an MSU game soon.

Gabbert is visiting Mizzou. (on that NU thought)

Which could lead to dominoes, with Gray and Rippy the obvious guys MSU would be trying to go, not sure if UM was in on any NU kids.

They're in on Trevor Robinson, and they would get Gray if he defects. Mark it down.
Gabbert doesn't look so hot. His stats were bad, and I believe he has shut it down for the season with a Foles type shoulder injury.

The only problem with all these rumors is that Dr Tom Osborne is there. He still casts a long shadow. AND, Nebraska should be able to go out and land a good coach.
My feeling now is that Calihan might be back for one more year, but with changes.

They're in on Trevor Robinson, and they would get Gray if he defects. Mark it down.
Gabbert doesn't look so hot. His stats were bad, and I believe he has shut it down for the season with a Foles type shoulder injury.

The only problem with all these rumors is that Dr Tom Osborne is there. He still casts a long shadow. AND, Nebraska should be able to go out and land a good coach.
My feeling now is that Calihan might be back for one more year, but with changes.

Gotta' be thinkin' aboutr Bo-Bo Pellini in Husker-Du right about now. I'm thinkin' Turner Gill. What say YOU?

Turner Gill isn't ready. But then again, who would be? I think Gill has been who they've wanted for a long time, when the time was right. You gotta take a chance I guess. He's probably about 46-47 now, having graduated in
'83.
I honestly don't know right now. Callihan was super loosey goosey today, chatting and laughing, and actually sounding really relaxed. There's no question that if he stays, half his staff will be goners.
They are super talent deficient. They have no speed or strength, and all their high profile recruits seem to wash out. Maybe that's why they get them. This incoming class seemed to be full of better guys, like Gabbert and Gray and a few others, but then again, that's two years before they produce. Next year this team could very much be in Notre Dame's position.
They are hanging on the window ledge by their fingernails. Either they blow it up and get a name out here and give the guy some time, or they go with Callahan (or pay him 10 MILL to get the fuck out, on top of paying Pederson 3 MILL to get the fuck out).
They need a grand slam homer right about now, but nobody is on base. We're looking at the Corn falling off the radar for about three more years IMO. They in some serious trouble, boy. No home base to recruit, no talent on the roster, and the whole athletic department in flux. If it were South Bend, Ann Arbor, LaLa, Texas, or even Oklahomie, you could give 100 reasons why they could turn it around quickly. But this is Nebraska. It's gonna be rough.

I think Osborn should hire Solich.

Gray is not coming to UM.

Bryce Givens is a name that is being thrown around.

To be honest if Callahan is gone that does more to keep Robinson a Husker than hurt the situation.

Gray is not coming to UM.

Bryce Givens is a name that is being thrown around.

To be honest if Callahan is gone that does more to keep Robinson a Husker than hurt the situation.

You're probably right on the Robinson thing except that the reason he backed out of his committment is that the Huskers signed about 94 other OL in this class, and some real good ones. UM loses alot along the offensive line this year: he has a good shot (if he's that good) to step right in at Michigan.

No chance of him stepping in. Ortman/Schilling will be on one side and if there was an incoming freshman who has a chance to make it would Dan O'Neil. The kid is a monster.

Art: I wouldn't be so sure. UM's offensive line hasn't been exactly stellar this year.

The right side has been in flux the entire season. Schilling when he was at RT had 3 different guys playing next to him. Then he had to move over and got a 4th guy playing tackle.

That does nothing but hurt anything the o-line is trying to do.

Schilling has a chance to be AA at RT for UM.

I also like O'Neil coming in and fighting for playing time.

BTW Givens is the guy that McGuffie stayed with in Colorado at the Nike camp. They keep in touch.

http://michiganstate.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=2&c=693598

Ingram says that Michigan State is the slight leader, and Florida is out of the picture. Ingram-"I like that Michigan State is only about 45 minutes away," Ingram said. "I have a great relationship with the coaches. They are all very personable and down-to-earth.They are turning it around," he said. "They are doing a little better this year and I think they'll get there.

Jonas Gray has decommitted from NEB.

Supposedly has a top 3 now of ND, LSU and UM.

I dont see UM taking him, but who knows. He was at the ND vs USC matchup and is supposed to be at the Minny game this weekend for UM.

Art, I'm hearing that Jonas is a virtual lock to Notre Dame. Sounds like he could be the missing piece in their stellar recruting class that is loaded with talent. Not sure whats in the water in South Bend, but it must be as tasty as that stuff they serve in Columbus during basketball season.

2 things. National team that Weis sells on return to glory and with Jonas....you can play Michigan.

2nd thing is there is a boat load of playing time available with how bad the team is.

Someone tell me why UM wouldn't take him. Do YOU have that much faith in McGuffie?

Nebraska local radio reports Gray to Notre Dame.

He ran for 163 yards against an 11 man front and that was with a separated shoulder and a bone chip in his ankle.

I think Carlos Brown is the starting RB next year but McGuffie will give him a run and dont forget about Mike Cox.

Did you say "Don't forget about My Cocks"?

If Grady is healthy, and has as good of a spring as he did this year, I have to believe he will be given the chance to start. I never see McGuff as an every down back at UM. More of a change of pace back, slot WR, KR/PR guy.

MSU gets a commit from Jahmiir Williams, 6'3/230/4.6 LB/DL.

That seems kind of skinny for a DL. Hopefully they can put some weight on that guy or just keep him at LB. That's pretty good speed for a Linebacker.

That seems kind of skinny for a DL. Hopefully they can put some weight on that guy or just keep him at LB. That's pretty good speed for a Linebacker.

I think he is intended to be a ILB, but if he adds weight too easy, you have an edge rusher pretty easy. 230 in HS can be 250 in college REAL quick. A 250 pound rush end who runs a 4.6-4.7, is a pretty solid DL. (even better ILB ideally)

Good article regarding MSU`s lack of 2-deep talent.

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=732946

Great video feature on McGuffie, narrated by Pat Summerall.

http://www.prepticket.com/video/video/show?id=823292:Video:22560

Really Mood...4:38 AM? Simma Don Nah

Hello everyone.

I'm back for a bit. Many of you won't accept me back, and I completely understand. You won't see me in other forums or threads, just here in recruiting.

I also don't have anything to say about Saturday's game. Win with dignity, don't be an a-hole. That's how I feel.

Actually, I guess my question does have something to do with that, but it's not meant to rub anything in on State.

With guys like Fred Smith - is there anything that could get him to decommit? Is he completely sold on State regardless of what happens on the field? I know the program shows a ton of potential and at least they're doing things better and it's only year 1, but do you think he ever looks down the road to Ann Arbor and wonders? I guess the same goes for Tyler Hoover. Those are two guys I really wanted to see at UM.

Also, anyone have the latest on Nick Perry? I get a bad feeling he might be this year's Ronald Johnson (shun the two instate programs and go to USC).

I'll hang up and take your comments off the air.

Welcome back Jethro.

Anyways, SE boys. Interesting you should mention them. Just have to wait and see.

Michigan leads for Perry and from what I gather....USC is not really that much of a factor for him. Too far away. MSU has a better chance at Perry than does USC.

Have no information.

If you ask me nicely in a PM, I could say more there.

BTW I find it funny that you think people wouldnt accept you back. That made me laugh.

OMG you left us high and dry on a message board, I HATE YOU FOREVER!!!

The shit runs deep here. I have waders and know when to get into it and when to just stay clear of it.

Hi Jeth, welcome back.

You're welcome anytime, of course.

Brandon SMith is no longer a UM lean. In fact, he is pretty much Rutgers and is no longer taking calls from UM.

Jethro, everyone gets in a snit and walks away for a time. But when you come bcak, you have to come back on FIRE. This isn't like other boards where people whine and cry to get posters they don't like banned.

Art, I thought Smith was a verbal committ?????

Nope. He was on the verge, but well I dont know exactly. I just know the pressure to stay home was great. Schiano is a pretty good recruiter.

Even though Rutgers is well, not as good as last year and probably wont be nearly as good next year without Rice running the ball again.

That stinks about Brandon Smith. We need safety recruits big-time, from what I can tell. I realize we have Steve Brown, Artis Chambers and Michael Williams for our future there, but that's not what I consider depth. The need is strong. Without him, that leaves Adams, Telemaque and Cooper, right? It's hard to be excited about that when once upon a time it seemed like we had a shot at a Smith and Will Hill combo at safety.

BTW, a tad off-topic, but people here may be wondering how I feel about Hart's "little brother" comments. I hate them. I love the passion Hart has as it relates to how he plays on the field and fires guys up on the sideline, but doesn't he realize that Ohio State and the Bowl Selection Committee can call UM "little brother"? Sorry if someone else has made that point elsewhere, but I just wanted to make it clear.

Thanks for the welcome back everyone.

You got to understand though. Dantonio and Caulcrick both took shots at UM when they lost to Appy State, talking about how maybe they should have a moment of silence and Caulcrick talking how it was like they got 2 wins that day.

So say what you will about Hart, but it is not like MSU guys didnt fire the first shot. Also, the fact of the matter is Hart and the senior class can say they own MSU. 4-0 is complete ownage.

We can never be OSU "little brother", 2 reasons, one they are not an instate rival and 2, we have the better H2H all time with them.

Telemaque and Davidson are looking good for UM. Cooper is a fall back same as Carraway.

Sorry, the Dantonio comment was a "FU, can we actually talk about my own team?" Not a dig at UM. (moment of silence)

And it's a RIVALRY! You want the other team to lose. (referencing Caulcrick)

And regarding the clock - OSU has one too. Rivalry games increase motivation and focus through the year.

I have a problem with Hart's comments, as they were idiotic, but they added a bit more bitterness, so that is good. Bitter rivals = good IMO.

Ok, having seen that there's a lengthy thread about Hart's comments, I truly, truly apologize for mentioning them in this thread. I won't go OT again.

Hopefully this can get back to recruiting.

I just hope UM puts a strong product on the field these next two (three, actually) games so leaning recruits can have a good feeling for them. It's been a while since they had a flurry of activity. The last few recruits (Wilson, Khoury and Demens?) have been spread out over several weeks and it's at least seems like a month or two since anyone has jumped on board. Meanwhile, Michigan keeps winning and we don't hear anything. I love srtong starts, but it would be great to have a Notre Dame start and a Florida State finish in recruiting. (for those confused, ND jumped out of the gates bigtime this year and FSU historically moves up in the rankings several spots in the final month - often spearheaded by the Army All-American game and capped off with 3-4 Signing Day commits.)

Looks like the F. Smith de-commit rumors are really picking up.....Also, based on his words about UofM this Spring, I do see him eventually in Blue.

BTW not only Smith but Burrell is coming with him for the OSU game.

Burrell is the more important recruit to get out of that duo.

Burrell would be more important because his stock has risen above Smith, or because he plays a position of greater need, or both?

btw, I'm not getting my hopes up on either. It's just interesting at this point.

Because he can play safety, which is much more an area of need and some guys think Burrell is now top 5 in the state and above even Smith.

The fact that Fred Smith said "I am a Spartan for life" in the past week = picking up rumors? Whatever.

The fact that he said he was a Spartan For Life means he's retarded.

Again, I'm not getting my hopes up, but let's take a look at this.

Things working in MSU's favor -
He's already a commit
He has less depth chart competition for early PT
In spite of the latest stretch, there are signs that things will improve in EL
His friend and teammate is also a commit
His coach is on MSU's nuts

Things working in UM's favor -
Many people have said I'm a ______ for life before, only to decommit soon after
Catching passes from Mallett and Threet seems a bit more tempting
His mom is a huge UM fan
The same position coach that worked with his idol is still at UM
His teammate may be looking at UM now
This team has shown the ability to bounce back and win even in horrible situations, time and time again
He could join a top 10 class averaging 3.88 stars instead of one that averages 2.13 stars.

I may be missing some things, but that list - paired with a UM visit in 9 days - may make some Spartan fans sweat.

Smith and Burrell are not coming now. The leak by some people killed it.

To me that just means they were never serious about coming.

I'm hearing that Sam McGuffie is pondering an re-opening of his recruitment following Lloyd's retirement. Cissokow to Illinois is picking up steam as well.

The dominoes are starting to lean.

I'm hearing that Sam McGuffie is pondering an re-opening of his recruitment following Lloyd's retirement. Cissokow to Illinois is picking up steam as well.

The dominoes are starting to lean.

Whatever! Let 'em lean, baby. Ya gotta make a change sometime, what the fucks the difference if it happens this year or next?
A few of them will even fall, no doubt. So long! It's a choice of the "battle vs the war"--which do you choose? Right now, UM is losing both.
Nebraska has lost four recruits (Jonas Gray, anyone?) since the speculation about Callahan. Should they keep him? You can't find one person here who values the recruits over the overall direction of the program, and Michigan fans should feel the same way.
Worrying about a couple of recruits and their widdle feelings is petty.

I'm with you, Preacher Zip.

It's all about the greater good, long term over short term

If the kid was only coming to UM for Lloyd Carr and not because of the quality of the school, the tradition and respect/admiration for the program, see ya.

I would love to keep the recruits we have, but if they don't think they can play for Les than I would rather know that now than 3 years from now when they've wasted their scholarship.
If Les is the guy, whether he wins a national championship or not, he'll come in hot. There will be a month between the national championship game and signing day. The only problem is that I think much of that is a mandatory "dead period" for recruiting (which seems to make little sense in these situations). If offers are out there, I think Les could salvage a strong class, if not improve on the class.
After taking the LSU job in Jan 2005 he ended up with a #19 class. However, the next two seasons he had top 10 classes. He can obviously do a sufficient job recruiting - and that was before he had possibly a national championship. If you take a NC ring and the hottest coach in the country and connect it to the history and tradition of Michigan, a place that coach was willing to leave the championship school for, recruits are going to notice. Again, we may lose a handful this year, but who's to say we don't gain a handful as well? What about some guys that are currently committed to LSU? Most of them are from Louisiana, but look at a guy like Karnell Hatcher - 4 star safety who was being recruited by UM, from Florida. A guy like that might follow Miles. Even more likely would be guys jumping ship late from Texas A & M, Nebraska, Notre Dame.
Example, if McGuffie decommits, does Jonas Gray now consider UM? Would a guy like Dan McCarthy reconsider UM? McCarthy is actually one of many guys that chose ND over both UM and LSU. Maybe they liked UM's tradition but LSU's coach. They figured ND has both tradition and a hot coaching name. But then they see they can get both AND a team that hasn't lost 9 games. Hmmm, you never know. The next 3 months will be VERY interesting.

Jethro:
Couldn't agree more.
It's funny how the Sparties have spent forty years looking up at the sky waiting for it to fall on Ann Arbor.
The next guy, if he's a good fit at UM, and believe me, Miles is the PERFECT fit for UM right now, will bring an NC or more to Ann Arbor, and enough recruits to stock the New England Patriots.

Be very afraid of the potential at Michigan. This is a program that could bring new bootlicks and WalMarties out from underneath every rock in the known universe.

This will be a tough situation for LM or whomever the new coach is, but...

thinking the team that recruits the most blue chippers is going to win, only leads to disapointment. Did Hawaii, South Florida, Brigham Young, or Connecticut have better recruiting than we did? Who knows maybe a couple of them did, but I'm done with that theory.

Keshawn Martin is a Spartan. An athlete that had been flying under the radar. UM actually had him in for the OSU game.

Keshawn Martin is a Spartan. An athlete that had been flying under the radar. UM actually had him in for the OSU game.

Probably didn't have the grades for uM.

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2007/11/recruiting_class_appears_to_be.html


Recruiting class appears to be sticking together


Wednesday November 21, 2007, 5:50 AM


http://blog.mlive.com/wolverines_stories/2007/11/medium_071121-sam-mcguffie-rivals.jpg
Rivals.com says prep sensation Sam McGuffie likely won't end up at Michigan now, particularly if RB coach Fred Jackson doesn't remain on U-M's new staff.

By John Heuser | The Ann Arbor News

The possible defection of running back and YouTube sensation Sam McGuffie notwithstanding, the University of Michigan's next football recruiting class appears to be sticking together fairly well in the aftermath of Lloyd Carr's retirement announcement this week.

At least that's the perspective of TheWolverine.com's recruiting analyst Josh Helmholdt, who - as of noon Tuesday - had spoken to 14 of the 16 players verbally committed to Michigan's Class of 2008.

"Most of these kids knew about the pending retirement of Lloyd Carr, whether it came this year or down the road in a year or two," Helmholdt said. "Lloyd Carr told them to make a decision for every other reason except the coach.

"The vast majority of these guys are staying committed."

Of the players he talked to this week, there are four whom Helmholdt considered to be 50-50 as to whether they'll end up at Michigan. Those include Detroit Cass Tech cornerback Boubacar Cissoko, Connecticut running back Mike Cox, New Jersey linebacker J.B. Fitzgerald and Illinois quarterback John Wienke.

Helmholdt said that Wienke's concerns about coming to Michigan have less to do with who the next coach is, and more to do with what offensive system he runs. For instance, a spread offense that demands a running quarterback wouldn't mesh with Wienke's drop-back quarterbacking skills.

In the case of Cox, Helmholdt feels that if Michigan running backs coach Fred Jackson doesn't remain with the Wolverines, then Cox may never arrive. Cox's primary recruiter, Jackson said Monday that if he leaves Michigan when a new head coach is hired, he'll pursue an NFL job.

Jackson was also the lead recruiter for the Texan McGuffie, the nation's No. 9 all-purpose back this year, according to Rivals.com. Helmholdt said after speaking with his recruiting contacts in the Houston area that "McGuffie is the one guy I would say at this point I expect not to end up at Michigan."

While the loss of the shifty runner would be a disappointment, it wouldn't seriously damage a group that national recruiting guru Tom Lemming considers a top 10 class.

CSTV's Lemming added that the first recruiting job of the next coach should be to visit recruits in order to firm up their commitments. He noted that players from outside the Midwest should be at the top of the list, since they may be more apt to be swayed by schools closer to home.

And while approaches may vary, Michigan's new coach could do worse adopting some of the recruiting traditions of Carr, whom Lemming called the "most successful coach over the last 10 years" in recruiting.

"There was never a hint of scandal," Lemming said. "He did the right things at the right times. He was honest with the kids and the kids loved him."

I am hearing the same thing.

Sorry I havent been around. My computer died the day after UM lost to OSU. The motherboard was fried. I am on a backup computer until my new one comes in a couple weeks.

So McGuffie seems to be taking his high wire act to another school. C'est La Vie! So long Sammy!

I'll miss those pecs, I mean, touchdowns.

Sam McGuffie? Never heard of him. Can't find any of his videos online either...he must really suck.

Oh Sam is not going anywhere. The ones we have to worry about are Boo Boo (Illinois) Christain Wilson (new coach doesnt need an H-back?) and 1 other I forget off the top of my head.

Stonum and McGuffie coming to UM, as long as Fred Jackson stays, which in all likelihood he will.

I hope Fred stays for several reasons. He's been a great coach, but I also want to see 09 WR James Jackson (Fred's son) play at UM.

Ok, per scout.com, McGuffie isn't going anywhere, bukdow only wishes he was...

Bullshit. What bukdow says goes.

Bukdow "knows" people and has "inside" information.......WTF do you have?!?

Michigan landed the nation's top long snapper today in George Morales of Las Vegas. WOW! Michigan, NOT MSU gets this coveted recruit. Just a going away present from Lloyd Carr.
How in the fuck do you find the time to even remember that there is a position known as "long snapper"? How do you tie up a scholarship for a long snapper? Has LLoyd lost his marbles?

Michigan could go up to 27 recruits this year. The long snapper is always on scholarship, usually they walk on first.

A long snapper is worth his weight in gold. If you never hear of him, it means he does his job.

Saying that....I hate the thought of giving someone a scholarship when we should have guys walking on to earn that position.

Artermis:

What's up with the recroots? Sparties everywhere are eager to pretend UM is about to suffer defections. I heard Stonum is still a lock and will enroll at UM in January.
Any info on the class?

Glad you asked Zip.

This is the latest quote from Sam the man:

“I only picked Michigan,” McGuffie stated. “I did not pick a first, second, or third school. There was just one school and it was Michigan, so there are not really any other schools on my list right now.”

One caveat, if Jackson leaves all bets are off, but Jackson is 90% for sure be on the next staff.


Most the recruits are solid no matter who is next coach.

MSU recieves a commitment from 3 star S(or potential OLB) Bryndon Trawick of Georgia. 6'2, 213, offered by 3 B10 teams, 2 SEC, 3 ACC, and 1 Big East, so obviously a big time kid.

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=62643

MSU recieves a commitment from 3 star S(or potential OLB) Bryndon Trawick of Georgia. 6'2, 213, offered by 3 B10 teams, 2 SEC, 3 ACC, and 1 Big East, so obviously a big time kid.

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=62643


Wow! A 3 star, that should bump their total recruiting class into the top 75 now, ya think?

MSU's consolation to losing out on Kenny Demens

Pissed off you don't have a coach or something?

A 3 star with plenty of other offers is never a bad thing, MSU or UM.

And it looks like he'll be playing safety, as we told Darius Darks we were full up on DB's, same with Morgan Carter.

For LB's, we are going hard after Perry(as a Julian Peterson role), Jacquies Smith, and a couple others.

Michigan landed the nation's top long snapper today in George Morales of Las Vegas. WOW! Michigan, NOT MSU gets this coveted recruit. Just a going away present from Lloyd Carr.
How in the fuck do you find the time to even remember that there is a position known as "long snapper"? How do you tie up a scholarship for a long snapper? Has LLoyd lost his marbles?

Yeah, because they are not important...Just like that old Bo thinking of Kickers not receiving scholly's..

Hypothetically speaking, if RR comes to UM - any chance Josh Jenkins comes with him? Jenkins is the #1 OG in the country, a soft verbal to WVU who was recruited by UM.
I don't think many recruits would leave UM if RR took over.

Not sure how good of a recruiter RR is. His past 4 recruiting classes have never been higher than #18, but Slaton was only a 3 star recruit. He wins with those classes, but that might be because he's playing in the Big East. It looks like he pulls a number of guys from prep schools (like Hargrave Military Academy) and Junior Colleges.

It's possible that, like Beilein, his ability matched with the draw of Michigan dramatically improves his recruiting classes, but right now I'm not sure. It would obviously help him (again, this is all hypothetical) if he kept as many assitants as possible (but not DeBord).

BTW, Shayne Hale is another person that had been considering both UM and WVU. I can dream, right? Also - Nick Perry and Vaughn Carraway, with numerous 2 star prospects.

Pissed off you don't have a coach or something?




Like I said before, even if Michigan hired Brady Hoke, he would out recruit Mark Dantonio...pretty much by default.

Like I said before, even if Michigan hired Brady Hoke, he would out recruit Mark Dantonio...pretty much by default.

Yes, and ND has had how many top recruiting classes relative to lets say VTech or Wisconsin.

I can tell you whose program I think is better.

MD is a better coach that Brady Hoke(although I would rank UM candidates RR/Hoke/the rest/Debord). So lets say he underperforms 1 win, and recruits a bit worse than Carr(not a lot though). So lets count that as 1.5 wins less on average. And Dantonio will make MSU improve both recruiting and on the field(and after that, even more in recruiting, and then even more on the field).

So, I'm not scared about a couple of recruits this year or next.

I'm going hypothetical again (notice to bukdow).
These questions are aimed at intelligent fans who know about UM recruiting. No Spartan reactions solicited. Primarily my target is Art, but I realize others may have thoughts.
First - I think this hire will allow us to keep a number of great offensive recruits. Example - Stonum and McGuffie should be very happy. Christian Wilson, as an H-Back is probably gone someone said in another thread. Getting Pryor and/or Josh Jenkins would be HUGE additions, and may help with a few more offensive recruits (is it too late to try to get Trevor Robinson to commit to a 3rd team? What about Cameron Saddler?)
But my bigger questions comes on the side of the ball WVU struggles with and this current recruiting class struggles with. Will English stay? Can the staff keep our LB commits and Mike Martin, BooBoo? Does the overall excitement help us with a few more recruits? Can we rob some recruits from Notre Dame?

My defensive list of people I hope RR called or will call after the dead period is:
Shayne Hale
Nick Perry
Ethan Johnson
Omar Hunter
Garrett Goebel
Lawrence Guy
Robert Blanton
Jarred Holley
Will Hill
Spencer Adams
Rahim Moore
Brandon Smith
Dan McCarthy

I know 1/2 to 2/3 of those guys are already commits elsewhere, but nothing has been signed. Art - any thoughts on possibilities from that list and defense as a whole? Words from current commits and players (outside of just Mallett)?

Another thought I had - UM has had difficulty for a long time against a spread attack. Well, now they will finally get to face one in practice. I hope defensively they can achieve some sort of balance. Still have a stopper in the middle, but increase the speed everywhere else and IMPROVE TACKLING!

Another thought I had - UM has had difficulty for a long time against a spread attack. Well, now they will finally get to face one in practice.

Great point.

Well, they certainly can't overlook the spread and call it a gimmick offense (you'd be trashing your own offense).

This would be my belief of the status of the current recuits

C NR George Morales 100%
WLB 35 Kenny Demens 100%
SLB 8 J.B. Fitzgerald 90%
TE 19 Christian Wilson 40%
RB 27 Mike Cox 50%
RB 6 Sam McGuffie 90%
TE 7 Kevin Koger 90%
WR 9 Daryl Stonum 100%
OT 68 Rocko Khoury 100%
DT 12 Mike Martin 100%
WLB 13 Marcus Witherspoon 60%
TE 22 Brandon Moore 100%
OG 14 Kurt Wermers 100%
OT 27 Elliott Mealer 80%
OT 15 Dan O'Neill 100%
CB 3 Boubacar Cissoko 70%

The recuits I believe he calls
Hayle
Pryor
Carraway
Jenkins
Brandon Smith
Nick Perry
Telemanique
Jarred Holley
Herman Davidson
Spencer Adams
Ontario McCaleb
and few others..

I saw a quote in another thread where Hale called RR a liar - so I'm guessing now that call doesn't go so well.
Obviously Pryor and Jenkins are the biggest deal. Even if Christian Wilson decommits, adding those two would turn this into arguably the best offensive class in the country.
I'm not sure Cox would decommit. He seems confident in his ability to succeed and he's not a fullback, so I think he could be successful in this offense and would liuke the chance.
As I said before, I think getting the defense in line is next after those two recruits.
Nick Perry liked RR before, and liked UM, that should happen.

If we lose 2-3 recruits, pleace them with those 3 players, and fill out the rest of the class with 3 star guys we'll have a top 5-10 class.
He may even choose to leave some of the scholarships available for next year/transfers.

By the way, anyone know what the rules are during the dead period and how long it lasts?
I thought someone said once that any contact initiated by the recruit was fine, but it's not allowed to go the other direction.
If that's true, guys that have taken an interest in what's happening could potentially be in contact during that period and start to make informed decisions, right?
As in, current commits could arrange to meet RR, attend some practices, etc?

I've heard and read 2 different times. Started Monday and runs for 2 weeks and the other is till Jan 10th.

During the dead period recruits can't come to the Universities but the coach can call them or write them. I read that a coach can only call once a week in one place???

Apparently RR called one of the recruits yesterday. He said he was impressed that RR took the time to call him.

Also, peeps are saying that this dead period is perfect for Mich cuz RR is traveling to WV and will be back and getting situated, so it would be hard for him to recruit right now anyway.

I remember my bud got recruited to Oregon Ducks and they had a bowl game. He was able to go to the bowl game. I've seen recruits on the sidleines too. Not sure how that all fits in.

don't forget about WR DJ Woods, he originally committed to Nebraska, but then committed to WV once Callahan was canned, now he's leaning towards Michigan and he's been extended an offer, GBW says he could commit as early as next week...

per scout, he's a very fast WR, ideal for the type offense RR will run

Witherspoon=100%

Coaches can call once a week.

Hale is not coming probably PITT.

Jenkins is looking like he staying with WVU.

Going to have a hard time getting the Cali S without RE.

DJ Woods has a very, very good chance of making it to UM.

I think our current commits are pretty solid. RR is supposed to be a very good recruiter, as is Tony Gibson.

Vaughn Telemaque, the 4 star safety from Cali who attends the same HS as Donovan Warren, has removed Michigan from his list per GBW...

Apparently he wants to go to USC, and be buried on the depth chart and play "Scout Team Defense" for 3 years...

Whatever.

Is it because the 3-3-5 defense? I noticed it only uses one safety deep and then two extra DB's in the flats. Maybe he didn't feel he'd fit the scheme? it seems like athletic safeties like Laron Landry would excell in this because they'd have a lot of chances to make plays.

Is it because the 3-3-5 defense? I noticed it only uses one safety deep and then two extra DB's in the flats. Maybe he didn't feel he'd fit the scheme? it seems like athletic safeties like Laron Landry would excell in this because they'd have a lot of chances to make plays.


I guess, but given Telemaque's size (6'2''), I think he could easily adjust, he's got the size of Cato June, and could benefit more being in the 3-3-5 since he's built like a LB and has the speed of a DB...

think of Ernest Shazor, that guy would be a beast in the 3-3-5 scheme...

yeah, seems like those hybrid players would fit better.

Cissoko has decommitted from U of M...he's going to take a look at Penn State...

this after saying he was not going to pull a Jerimy Finch on us...

Cissoko is back on board after talking with DB coach Tony Gibson.

BooBoo-"Yesterday I believe I said I had decommitted, but now I am holding court with my commitment after talking with the staff," Cissoko said. "I'm feeling pretty strong right now with my commitment."

As the U-M/RR world turns.....gonna be interesting all the way up until signing day.

Updates I've heard-

DT commit Mike Martin is now considering (only) Notre Dame. Says he wants to hear from Rodriguez, but the "dead period" is making it tough. I did hear that he was able to speak with RR today.

I'm really starting to worry about McGuffie. He was obviously super close with Fred Jackson, and he's back, but he's no longer the RB coach, could be an issue. I guess Sam spoke with RR recently, and was assured that he is definitely wanted, but there is major concern about him ending up at Michigan. Also heard that he spoke with A&M coach Mike Sherman and was feeling him and is excited about his offense. I think he ends up de-committing and going to A&M. Hope I'm wrong. What do you think Art?

Was McGuff the guy who was going to announce on this date then delay till this date then said he wanted to announce it on some sports show in Texas?

Was McGuff the guy who was going to announce on this date then delay till this date then said he wanted to announce it on some sports show in Texas?

Yup.

Cissoko is back on board after talking with DB coach Tony Gibson.

BooBoo-"Yesterday I believe I said I had decommitted, but now I am holding court with my commitment after talking with the staff," Cissoko said. "I'm feeling pretty strong right now with my commitment."

As the U-M/RR world turns.....gonna be interesting all the way up until signing day.


Where did you hear that??? I can't find it on GBW.

Also, I'm thinking McGuff stays Blue, if thats going to be his reason (Jackson not being his RB coach) than thats pathetic...

never mind, I found it


U-M recruit affirms choice
Michigan commitment Boubacar Cissoko apparently remains a member of the Wolverines' class of 2008.

Cissoko told Rivals.com on Friday that he was shaken by reports Thursday night that incoming coach Rich Rodriguez had fired all nine Michigan assistants.

On Friday, Fred Jackson confirmed he had been rehired by Rodriguez, and that, apparently, set Cissoko at ease.

"Yesterday I believe I said I had recommitted, but now I am holding court with my commitment after talking with the staff," Cassock told Rivals.com. "I'm feeling pretty strong right now with my commitment."

Cassock, one of 16 commitments, said he spoke to cornerbacks coach Tony Gibson, who Rodriguez has brought with him from West Virginia.

"He said he was excited about me," Cassock said. "He said he believes I can come in there and shake things up and I have a chance to win a job early. It felt good talking to him."

Although he remains committed to Michigan, Cassock said he will go through with a planned visit to Penn State the weekend of Jan. 11.

Where did you hear that??? I can't find it on GBW.

Also, I'm thinking McGuff stays Blue, if thats going to be his reason (Jackson not being his RB coach) than thats pathetic...

Yeah, I get all my stuff from The Wolverine on rivals.

Yeah, I get all my stuff from The Wolverine on rivals.
Smart man, Beaver and the jokes at Scout are hacks

Whatever Muhme. Beaver has stuff long before Rivals gets a sniff of anything. Rivals gets most of their breaking info from reading Canty and crap like that.

The BooBoo stuff was on Free Press, another great source for Rivals.

As someone who works for Scout...SUCK IT BITCH!!

Whatever Muhme. Beaver has stuff long before Rivals gets a sniff of anything. Rivals gets most of their breaking info from reading Canty and crap like that.

The BooBoo stuff was on Free Press, another great source for Rivals.

As someone who works for Scout...SUCK IT BITCH!!
The guys from thewolverine are respected journalists...you're boys are uncredited NCAA violating hack jobs.

I have zero affiliation to either site, I get both for free due to my work...

However, talk to ANYONE around the actual program about Mr. Beaver. Talk to anyone that covers the team or has for an extended period of time.

I would just hope that all of you guys that follow this stuff close, and rely on accurate information, subscribe to thewolverine.com. I am not sure how the boys are for MSU, but I know and have heard first hand from numerous people that work AT Michigan, cover Michigan and a part of the program(s) that Beaver and the boys at Scout are "NCAA Violating hack jobs"...

...and dont ask for me to go in detail on that art, your boys are garbage.

The guys from thewolverine are respected journalists...you're boys are uncredited NCAA violating hack jobs.

I have zero affiliation to either site, I get both for free due to my work...

However, talk to ANYONE around the actual program about Mr. Beaver. Talk to anyone that covers the team or has for an extended period of time.

I would just hope that all of you guys that follow this stuff close, and rely on accurate information, subscribe to thewolverine.com. I am not sure how the boys are for MSU, but I know and have heard first hand from numerous people that work AT Michigan, cover Michigan and a part of the program(s) that Beaver and the boys at Scout are "NCAA Violating hack jobs"...

...and dont ask for me to go in detail on that art, your boys are garbage.

I agree Muhme. I check out scout quite a bit and it just seems BUSH league.

I agree Muhme. I check out scout quite a bit and it just seems BUSH league.
I am not sure how the guys are that cover the other teams...but the boys that take care of the Michigan stuff are laughable at best...

BTW, dynamite sig lol

All I know is both sites have more info than me, however, both are getting more and more misleading. Back in the day there was a symbol next to articles you had to pay for, and others were free. Now, most of the free articles just reroute you to something else that's only for paying customers. Anger.