See thats what I'm talking about right there. CWebb is agressive going to the hole and gets the foul call for FTs. That is one of many things we weren't doing last game...gamez.

Ball don't lie

Flagrant 2. Definately.

I love it when I can get the play by play from WTF Detroit!

thats what we are here for baby!

Dice and Cwebb with 3 fouls each...not good.

here comes jmax over Nazr lol

WHAT A FUCKING JOKE of a call on Tay

Good call refs. Couldnt keep that trap going all game, it was working.

This shot clock shit is fucking ridiculous.

OF COURSE it doesn't work since they're playing
a team that uses the entire fucking shot clock.

Fuck you Cavs.

LMAO mola

i hate this

Our bench has played 23 minutes and scored 2 fucking points.

Chauncey is probably something like that too. Atleast he doesnt have a shitload of turnovers though

On the plus side, I dont think Lebron has given an assist in about 18 minutes. He should play all 24 minutes in the 2nd half though, since he had such a long break in the 2nd.

That replay of Tay's foul is an example of the bullshit we have to put up with. LeBron clearly jumps away to give the impression of a foul.. .the refs should be able to fucking notice that

Good sign from Billups there

hamilton is easily the best player in the game right now

Bad sign. So far anytime LBJ wants to go to the hoop, he does. And either gets a layup or 2 fts or both.

Put a camera in the fucking locker room to show Webber icing his balls, why don'tcha!

finally calls for us

finally calls for us

You spoke too soon. I'm sick of Gibson drawing so many fouls.
Came from the LeWade School of falling. He's not even good.

Boobie? How about booboo for all of his falling?

tayshaun cant not finish to save his life

What the fuck is it? It looks like we are so worried about getting blocked that we are going up with all these weird as shots underneath.

I don't care what bullshit fucking happens anymore. Just come back to Detroit fuckers. I'm sick right now. Come the fuck back to Detroit. PLEASE you fuckers. DO NOT FUCKING LOSE THIS FUCKING GAME YOU SONS OF BITCHES. FUCK ALL THESE BITCHES. Stop fucking with these pieces of shit and come fucking back to the Palace and let's move on. This is fucking retarded.

I want to marry Dale Davis. Is that 3 offensive boards now?

Tigers won.

geez we cant finish anything down low...and fuck boobie

The best point guard is in the stands watching the game.

Lindsey fucking Hunter folks. That helped.

If nothing else, at least we have them discombobulated

lmfao at varejo and everyone hating him...

Hunters 3pt attempt just made me throw up a little

No one is guarding gibson...why do the pistons leave him open all the time?

I'm starting to give up. This is game 3 all over again. They got the momentum, up by 6 and detroit has no killer instinct.

Thats what we get out of a fucking time out? What a fucking joke

stupid fucking foul

CBill seriously needs to wipe that fucking grin off of his face.

I dunno which commentator said it, but he is right. We are playing like there is 2minutes left. Bad shots, risky plays... Gibson is just on fire.

Finals are over.

Spurs => Winners in 5. I expect refs to try to give Lebron more than one win, but he wont be good enough

Why is Hamilton defending Lebron with flat feet? The way he is standing, there is no fucking way he can keep up with his first step. He leant back on his heels on that last play where lebron blew right by him

WTF BLOCKING ON TAY?

There you go. Theres some emotion. Too bad its off the court.

FUCK THE FLOPPER NO WAY THATS A FOUL ON SHEED

YOUVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME

HE DIDNT EVEN TIME THE FLOP PROPERLY

THESE REFS SHOULD BE FUCKING SHOT

Nice Sheed - I love how he goes after the refs

Rasheed is traded in the offseason.

Put maxiell on - he is ready to eat babies

Make varejao fucking hurt, we are going to lose the series - just make him fucking bleed

good bye series

Rasheed is traded in the offseason.
that outburst was completely warranted - no fucking way he can keep putting up with that shit from the refs

Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness.

Well, I'm done...

I am not watching the NBA until they introduce rules to stop flopping.

If Varejao somehow succumbs to a career ending injury (praise god) during the finals, I will watch the games after he is finished.

Oh my god a 2nd round pick out of Texas is killing us. What is the world coming to? NOt Lebron, not Hughes, not Z but DANIEL FREAKING GIBSON

An absolute fucking disgrace.

Hamilton ismad. give it to him every single fckn possesion we have.

and stop fouling gibson although flip barely touched him. fuck these pussy fucks

Ten bucks says we walk off the court before time expires like the Bad Boys in '91.

good job billups was thjat suppose to be a save?

Fuck Chauncey. But use birth control so you don't risk being pregnant with another Billups.

I just had a candy bar and I feel better.

I never thought I'd be rooting for San Anton for anything. Never say never.

Dice cant hit anything. Tay cant hit anything sheed went 5-14...you know why? We are relying on jumpers while tay cant finish. Give to the ball to rip who is driving 85% of the time

I never thought I'd be rooting for San Anton for anything. Never say never.


My thoughts exactly.


Good riddance.

let the offseason begin.

ok great hes fouled out

GO SPURS GO!
GO SPURS GO!

Right now, I'm hoping CBill goes on his own so JoeD doesn't catch shit like he did not signing Ben Wallace. Then prolly trade Sheed.

way to show up in the 4th. i've never been more certain that joe will finally be active in my life. this incarnation of the pistons (never got a nickname) is DEAD.

Why the fuck didn't they destroy this team last offseason and spare us this misery? Instead they chose to act like they still planned on being championship contenders and even acted like they were as focused as the team in '04 which wasn't full of WHINY FAGGOTS. That right there is cruel.


Congratulations Cleveland.

Why the fuck didn't they destroy this team last offseason and spare us this misery?


Congratulations Cleveland.

as soon as ben signed with chicago thats what i'd have done. oh well, giving ben + ft's 30 million dollars was a pretty solid plan B, in hindsight.

where's kstat to tell me bill davidson doesnt owe me shit. thats all i need to complete my night.

Rasheed is traded in the offseason.

Is he even tradable now?

Um, go Spurs?

I'm depressed.

Oh, and fire Flip, too.

God bless Larry Brown.

I'm so mad right now I have nothing to say.

spurs in 5

Trade him to LAL they are the only ones dumb enough to take him

http://www.nba.com/media/finals2004/040709_coach_trophy.jpg


Timmy in 5.

I like Sheeds emotion more than CBitch with his smile on his face half the game.

Billups took like 5 fucking shots, absolutely pathetic. I wouldn't even care if everyone else BUT him stayed, get him out of my fucking face. Then again Rip said where Billups goes he goes, which is a shame because Rip actually showed up tonight...with heart.

And where the fuck was Tay?

Oh, but this was ALL sheeds fault. LOL

Rasheed Wallace is the only memory of the Pistons team which actually had heart that remains. And even though it's been an LB jerkfest as of late one thing we can blame him for is Billups being a wannabe Jason Kidd/Steve Nash now. Fucking pussy.

Vescey just said Be careful signing Smiley Joe. He said Smiley has lost a step. Not like he knows everything, or anything for that matter. Just sayin...

Rasheed Wallace is the only memory of the Pistons team which actually had heart that remains. And even though it's been an LB jerkfest as of late one thing we can blame him for is Billups being a wannabe Jason Kidd/Steve Nash now. Fucking pussy.
I LOVED how he went out today.

He is the ONE player who I want back next season. Him and Maxiell, just because Maxiell looked ready to fucking kill someone when he was standing on the sidelines!

The way Sheed left was just awesome.

(BTW, odds on Spurs are $1.28, its almost worth putting $1000 on them...)

I dont dislike sheed or billups. I mean neither one of them was the problem...



Webber was the webbber we all feared he be. Average and weak on defense. I'm not mad at our core and in a lot of ways expected what i saw most of this series. In fact i called this out at the beginning of the series. The NBA is catering its calls, rules and favoritism towards as many young stars as possible. to Lebron's credit he's a great player, which makes him a mess to deal with these weak ass rules in place.

Flip Saunders and his staff got my praise for their schemes against the bulls. so its fair that they get my distaste for having no adjustment in their back pocket worth much when the HOF coach Mike Brown out witted them on their scheme. Beyond that though this is the second straight playoffs he's lost his players respect. My real question is whose side is Billups on? Because Flip needs to go. I'd wish him all the best somewhere else. But I don't see him as a guy capable of coaching any roster we put together to a title. I think its time to gamble on a young coach with pro experience, rather than getting the supposed best known out there. The onlty guy who hasn't coached in the league I'd look at is Laimbeer regardless of the low credibility he has here. He's a tough in your face coach. Get him some good assistants and give him a shot.

Lindsay hunter retire our see ya later.

Nazr I hate you.


Flip Murray please vanish.

Dale Davis I won't miss you either. Its very apparent you are either getting severely older every game or just not being prepared to make a difference when your number is called as of late. Either way peace and blessings, dont come back.

Joe D. I love alot of the moves you've made and respect the gambles you've made no matter what anybody says you've showed the balls to run this organization for a long time. Furthermore your drafting is improving every year. But one area you need to put more work in is at picking your HC.


As far as everyone else, I'm proud of them(even sheed and Dyess). Everyone else played as best they could under the circumstances and with a real leader coaching them I still see them competing for atleast 2-3 more years. Probably sounds weird to everyone else. But this is where I stand. Oh and fuck the bandwagon on its way from Miami to Cleveland.

I LOVED how he went out today.

He is the ONE player who I want back next season. Him and Maxiell, just because Maxiell looked ready to fucking kill someone when he was standing on the sidelines!

The way Sheed left was just awesome.

(BTW, odds on Spurs are $1.28, its almost worth putting $1000 on them...)


Fuck everyone who gets on 'Sheed tonight for doing what he did. The people who criticize Rasheed Wallace for things like that are the "analysts" who have never played the game of basketball and have no heart at all, let alone the understanding of what it means to be competitive. And even though he did not play well, he at least wasn't showing the heart and pride of a Chauncey Billups.

That was as Bad Boy of an exit as one can get.

I'd like to see a PG that can penetrate off the bench though. Agree not LH, but Parker gets to the hoop or gets the foul call, shit even Gibson waterbugged his way through our D.

I got so tired of seeing CBill dribbling the ball up the court then standing there pointing to peeps to do this or pointing to peeps to do that, then a quick pass to Rip for an outside jumper.

And where the fuck was Tay?

Oh, but this was ALL sheeds fault. LOL
This aint politics, pushing blame to another player doesn't help Sheed. I agree with you on almost everything except your idea that attacking everyone else makes sheed look better. What he did this year in the playoffs spoke for itself and its unfortunate that they gave him a shitty second tech(they iced sheed and dyess two str8 games when they didnt have to and let LBJ play....rig).

Call it what you want to, but I'll say it again, Where the fuck was Tay? Because Where the fuck WAS Tay?

When a piece of SHIT like Daniel Gibson (nicknamed Boobie because he probably has a vagina also) is nailing wide open threes and this is the lasting image of the once proud basketball franchise, who in the fuck, with a heart, wouldn't go out the way Rasheed did? Am I being a little melodramatic? God damn right. Is the run over? Sure as hell is.

Call it what you want to, but I'll say it again, Where the fuck was Tay? Because Where the fuck WAS Tay?
Well blind man he was worn out chasing the chosen one and playing an Illuminati amount of minutes doing so. Since you're too blind to catch that. Its a shame that I had to explain something that obvious. Let Rip cover Lebron that long with not much rest. Then your question is the anti-climactic ":yingyang: where's Rip?"

side note...I'm pretty sure Sheed was supposed to come to the microphone tonight and guess what? He didn't show. So Stern will get a lil more of his money.

Probably getting into a fist fight with his teammates.

Well blind man he was worn out chasing the chosen one and playing an Illuminati amount of minutes doing so. Since you're too blind to catch that. Its a shame that I had to explain something that obvious. Let Rip cover Lebron that long with not much rest. Then your question is the anti-climactic ":yingyang: where's Rip?"

LOL Crock of shit fucking excuses. I didn't know LBJ played for Chicago too.

edit...Oh yea and Fuck you

LOL Crock of shit fucking excuses. I didn't know LBJ played for Chicago too.
Weird, crock of shyt excuses would be most peoples take on your sheed talk. I'm sure you're missing that irony. Regardless Tayshaun played fairly well on defense and offense last series. Again i see you're gonna avoid the obvious and make me explain it all to you. I can only hope you're in high school with this dumb shit. either way have fun asking questions and disputing the answers. If you think think you know what happened to Tay, buck up like a man and say what. Otherwise stop leaning on sarcastic questions like a fifth grader asking why the sky is blue.

edit...Oh yea and Fuck you
My point has been made. Good to see you take your anger out on fans on the internet. You probably crumble into your couch crying like a girl wishing you had the nuts to say that to a real person. If you dont like the original reply, dont ask the the question rhetorical or not. You gotta grow up at some point Tahoe. Try tonight and let it go.

On that note though I'll see you guys at draft time maybe. I see alot of people are gonna crap their childish diapers, get pissy, start up large trade threads, and use every time wasting fight picking "i'm right you're wrong" tactic in the message forum book. Have a good summer people.

Would it have hurt for Billups to smash shit on the way to the back after the game was over to at least convince us he gave a shit? That's what I would've done....then again I may be just a little bipolar.


In other news...got "That Smell" by Lynyrd Skynyrd on and I'm already feeling a little better.

To start the playoffs, I was a little pissed off at myself for not being completely immersed in the Pistons' season like I usually am. But now after going through this shit, I remember why I started my mini NBA boycott. At the end of last year, I was completely sick of the superstar treatment that D Wade got, and due to that I turned cold on the NBA and didn't watch a second of the NBA Finals last year and not much this year. Then the playoffs started, and the Pistons looked focused and poised to make a run, plus I was loving JRich and the Warriors. My long lost love was back! But then, we take on the Cleveland LeBrons in the Eastern Conference Finals and it's the SAME BULLSHIT ALL OVER AGAIN! If 'Bron are any of his other little clowns miss a shot, turn it over, or aren't making a successful move......eeet! Here comes the whistle. It's not even fair and I don't see the point in following a team or rooting for a team that doesn't have a "superstar" because there is a blatant bias and I'm not going to waste my time.

Sure Flip, actually both Flips suck, sure Boobie, Verajao, and DRU pulled shit out of their ass, sure 'Bron put on quite a show at times, sure the Pistons choked and lost 4 straight, but when the league obviously has "big plans" and the pureness of the game is obviously being tampered with, what's the point.

I'm done with the NBA. I just can't take it anymore.

To start the playoffs, I was a little pissed off at myself for not being completely immersed in the Pistons' season like I usually am. But now after going through this shit, I remember why I started my mini NBA boycott. At the end of last year, I was completely sick of the superstar treatment that D Wade got, and due to that I turned cold on the NBA and didn't watch a second of the NBA Finals last year and not much this year. Then the playoffs started, and the Pistons looked focused and poised to make a run, plus I was loving JRich and the Warriors. My long lost love was back! But then, we take on the Cleveland LeBrons in the Eastern Conference Finals and it's the SAME BULLSHIT ALL OVER AGAIN! If 'Bron are any of his other little clowns miss a shot, turn it over, or aren't making a successful move......eeet! Here comes the whistle. It's not even fair and I don't see the point in following a team or rooting for a team that doesn't have a "superstar" because there is a blatant bias and I'm not going to waste my time.

Sure Flip, actually both Flips suck, sure Boobie, Verajao, and DRU pulled shit out of their ass, sure 'Bron put on quite a show at times, sure the Pistons choked and lost 4 straight, but when the league obviously has "big plans" and the pureness of the game is obviously being tampered with, what's the point.

I'm done with the NBA. I just can't take it anymore.
i won't swear off NBA, but i agree with most of what you said.

at least during the finals, i can watch "superstars" get their calls while absolutely not giving a rats ass!

even tho we got ours handed to us by the Cavs. i want them to beat the spurs. i wanna see LeBron shred up Bowen and his dirty ass tackics. but in the end, i could careless. i'm hoping for a good finals, but i'm just a tad tired of all the crap that i saw from this playoffs.

Weird, crock of shyt excuses would be most peoples take on your sheed talk. I'm sure you're missing that irony. Regardless Tayshaun played fairly well on defense and offense last series. Again i see you're gonna avoid the obvious and make me explain it all to you. I can only hope you're in high school with this dumb shit. either way have fun asking questions and disputing the answers. If you think think you know what happened to Tay, buck up like a man and say what. Otherwise stop leaning on sarcastic questions like a fifth grader asking why the sky is blue.

Look Butt breath, I'll post the way I post. If its asking a question in an attempt to get my point across thats what I'm gonna do.

My point has been made. Good to see you take your anger out on fans on the internet. You probably crumble into your couch crying like a girl wishing you had the nuts to say that to a real person. If you dont like the original reply, dont ask the the question rhetorical or not. You gotta grow up at some point Tahoe. Try tonight and let it go.


Wrong again. I blew my gasket on game 5. Last night was just a rerun(sp?).

And by the fucking way, you started with the insults. I stuck to the topic whether you liked the way I was doing it or not.

And by the fucking way 2, LOL at I've never said that to another person.

Damn, what a way to end.

There was no ending that was going to be pleasant, but it sucks nonetheless.

Here's to Joe Dumars, the ONLY piston I can trust right now.....

Some interesting statistics from the +/- point of view that I assembled:

Game 1 Margin of victory: +3 favoring the Pistons
Billups: +5
Hamilton: +4
Prince: +7
Wallace: +6
Webber: +1
Cavs highest +/-: Snow (+7)
BronBron: -5 (didn't play ~3 minutes)

Game 2 Margin: +3
Billups: +11
Hamilton: +9
Prince: +14
Wallace +6
Webber: +13
Cavs highest +/-: Marshall (+9)
BronBron: -6 (didn't play 3 minutes)

Game 3 Margin: -6
Billups: -5
Hamilton: -17
Prince: -3
Wallace: -5
Webber: -4
Cavs highest +/-: Pavlovic/Gooden (+14)
BronBron: 6 (didn't play 2 minutes)

Game 4 Margin: -4
Billups: +2
Hamilton: -9
Prince: -1
Wallace: +2
Webber: +2
Cavs highest +/-: Ilgauskas (+7)
BronBron: -4 (didn't play 4 minutes)

Game 5 Margin: -2
Billups: +5
Hamilton: -1
Prince: +4
Wallace: 0
Webber: +15
Cavs highest +/-: Marshall (+21)
BronBron: +2 (didn't play 8 minutes)

Game 6 Margin: -16
Billups: -11
Hamilton: -3
Prince: -3
Wallace: -4
Webber: -10
Cavs highest +/-: Varejao (+21)
BronBron: +13 (didn't play 2 minutes)

Cumulative Margin: -22
Billups: +7
Hamilton: -17
Prince: +18
Wallace: +5
Webber: +17

BronBron: +6 (didn't play ~22 minutes)
Gooden: +3
Hughes: +3
Ilgauskas: -29
Pavlovic: -11

Gibson: +39
Varejao: +42

Wow, Prince jumps out at me with cum +18.

I'm assuming Ham's negs are so high is cuz of LBJ?

Wow, Prince jumps out at me with cum +18.
Not only that, but he led in +/- among our starters in 4 of the 6 games. It's not as if there was one game that skewed things.

Generally speaking, with a cumulative +/- of -22, you'd expect the +/- for the winner starters (who play the most minutes) to be somewhere around +22, and the +/- of the losing starters to be somewhere around -22. With LeBron James, the best and most-heralded player on either side, playing nearly all the minutes, you'd *really* expect his +/- to be around +22, if not higher. That certainly didn't happen here. It's their bench that killed us, and no I'm not just talking about Gibson shooting his mind out. They killed

When we turned to the bench, we got:

McDyess: -25
Maxiell: -30
Hunter: -31
Delfino: -38

It's clear that, on the whole, our bench isn't up to their bench. Especially with fatigue less of a factor during the playoffs, the extent we play our bench versus starters should largely be a function of fouls/refs and coaching. Trying to play our bench as a unit, with 2 or 3+ bench players on the court, is just suicidal.


I'm assuming Ham's negs are so high is cuz of LBJ?
I don't think so. I think that has a lot to do with Rip playing shit D. It seemed like every time, it was Tay rushing to defend Gibson at the 3P line. Tay has a super-tough cover... he's not going to be able to consistently cover for anyone else.

Looking over the box score you see some glaring numbers:

Prince: 1-10 shooting (dunk the fucking ball), 6 assists

Billups: 3-7 shooting, 1 assist (that's right, one fucking assist and you want how much?)

Sheed: 2 rebounds (two fucking rebounds in 30 minutes, are you kidding?)

Ilgauskas -29. Does not compute.

Prince was trying just couldn't finish. Dunk would have been a nice option.

Billups...I've whined about him enough. But all these guys(minus Rip) changed their shots over and over afraid of getting blocked or something...dare I say intimidated. It seemed like it to me.

Sheed. It was tough for Sheed covering Ilgauskas when he had to. But this one play Iggy was practicing the tip drill on the offensive end while Sheed watched.

Ilgauskas -29. Does not compute.
They'd try to get Big Z off in the 3rd quarter, when we'd often have our best performances. He never had a positive +/- for the 2nd half. I suspect he's playing too many minutes. He has 20-odd mpg feet owing to his past injuries, but played heavy minutes in the playoffs until Game 6.

Losing sucks.

Spurs in 3.

Spurs in 3.
LMFAO [smilie=llama_banan:

Is anyone else depressed at the realization that if we had found a way to win that double overtime game, that Game 7 would be tipping off at the Palace tonight right about now?

No, but you have managed to spread your depression.

Cunt.

Fuck it I'm leaving the board.

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My son has soccer practice...

After this series, I ask only one thing:

Whoever makes the NBA Finals Thread, can we post it in the Stands instead of the 2007 NBA Playoffs Board?

After this series, I ask only one thing:

Whoever makes the NBA Finals Thread, can we post it in the Stands instead of the 2007 NBA Playoffs Board?

Yes, this has to happen!

Very Good MoTown, 3rded