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WWE has gone down hill in the last few months. They are keeping a ton of talent on the Raw roster, but using the same guys over and over. Smackdown has significantly less talent, but shows different guys every week. They need to fix this, or people will lose interest.

TNA is off to a great start after landing Christian. Sting has also just been signed, and they are rumored to be in the hunt for Jericho(currently touing with Fozzy) and Benoit(contract expires soon).

A little war is starting in TNA between Jarrett's crew and Christian's crew.

Jarrett has Abyss, AMW, Team Canada, and Monty Brown(is probably better off turning on Jarrett and joining Christian) on his side.

Christian has Team 3D, Rhyno, and probably Sting.

I think this is setting up perfectly for TNA to make a jump to the big time. WWE, WCW, and ECW had their best ratings with feuds like this. It is also the perfect oppertunity to debut their newly signed talent and to develop a strong fan base. But, supposedly there is still more talent coming. A few months ago there was a hidden message in the impoact intro, saying "Rhino is here, and more are coming...........to TNA".

Since then, Team 3D(Dudleyz), Christian, Jackie Gayda, Gail Kim, Kip James(Billy Gunn), and Sting have made their way to the company. Many more are rumored to be headed there. Hopefully Jericho and Benoit go there too.

This is what happens when you've got a monopoly -- you get lazy. Competiton keeps you sharp.

Which is why SC is gonna clown Texas.

This could be the best thing to happen to the WWE.

Benoit will not be joining TNA.

WWE changed alot. Fuck theres no more of the legends. The last time i checked, all the weird fucks are champions.


But i think the divas are quite sexy. Im not into WWE anymore...it jsut isnt what it use to be

Benoit will not be joining TNA.

There are still rumors going around that he will lose to Booker T in the best of 7(after the 7th match). And, the same rumors have said that he is ready to negotiate with TNA.

kdawg: I would really like to see Benoit in TNA but haven't the rumours of him leaving been going around for a while?

Wasn't he supposed to lose in a clean sweep and then bolt for TNA?

That leads me to believe his contract has already been extended or it soon will be.

WWE needs to keep him because:

Eddie Guerrero passed away

Chris Jericho is gone for a while

Edge is injured again

Brock Lesnar isn't coming back anytime soon

Steve Austin and The Rock have bashed the product

John Cena is getting more boos every day

Kurt Angle is carrying an injury

Batista is injured

Yeah, the rumors have been going for awhile. But, doesn't his contract end in February?

I think Batista is going to wrestle while injured.

Boogeyman needs to "accidentally find the European title" in a trash can somewhere and start defending it. That would make for great TV.

This kid Lashley has been really impressive. I think he will get a big push in 2006.

There is so much wrong with WWE that I don't know where to start.

But I'll try:

Why is Edge talking shit about Flair?

Isn't there something better he could be doing that puts him a little closer to the title?

Whatever happened to Shelton Benjamin v Shawn Michaels? It seemed they were running with that for a week or 2 and then suddenly they don't have anything to do with each other.

Carlito, Masters and Chavo Guerrero should be used better and they need some tag teams to provide a change of pace on both shows.

On Smackdown they suffered through a ton of injuries and the death of Eddie has really hurt the roster, but why don't they use this time to promote the cruiserweights and tag teams?

WWE has options, they just constantly fuck things up.

I may start watching TNA. I watched it once, and the action is so much more frantic than WWE. It's actually ... fun to watch?

kdawg: I would really like to see Benoit in TNA but haven't the rumours of him leaving been going around for a while?

Wasn't he supposed to lose in a clean sweep and then bolt for TNA?

That leads me to believe his contract has already been extended or it soon will be.

WWE needs to keep him because:

Eddie Guerrero passed away

Chris Jericho is gone for a while

Edge is injured again

Brock Lesnar isn't coming back anytime soon

Steve Austin and The Rock have bashed the product

John Cena is getting more boos every day

Kurt Angle is carrying an injury

Batista is injured

I haven't watched wrestling in 5 years? What happened to Stone Cold? I know the Rock is doing movies, but Austin is doing what?

And I know that the John Cena guy is the champ. He just looks like a tool though. Champions used to have character. From what I've seen - John Cena is a rich white boy claiming he is from the hood. Am I wrong?

I stopped watching once the Rock left. He was great and I believe it was reported all his shit came from him, while some guys were scripted.

I get tired of HHH and edge and all the other steroid freakheads who cant act worth a shit.

Art

WWE seriously needs to beef up the tag team divisions. So, here are my ideas.

Raw:
-Get Kane and Big Show out of the tag team division, and into signles careers.
-Get Cade and Murdoch back together
-Use the Heart Throbs in more tag matches on Raw
-Have 3 Minute Warning re-form at the Royal Rumble(Supposed to come back sometime in 2006)
-Trade Rob Conway to Smackdown for Sylvan and reform La Resistance
-Bring up the Shane Twins from Deep South Wrestling

Smackdown:
-Get Animal to retire(this new legion of doom makes me sick)
-Bring back Grandmaster Sexay and have him and Scotty re-form Too Cool
-Get Regal & Birchall and The Dicks active in the division
-Sign Mark Jindrak and Sean O'Haire(Jindrak is in the Indy's and O'Haire is doing MMA).
-Break up the Mexicools and have them be independent guys in the CW division

I stopped watching once the Rock left. He was great and I believe it was reported all his shit came from him, while some guys were scripted.

I get tired of HHH and edge and all the other steroid freakheads who cant act worth a shit.

Art

The last time I watched wrestling, it was still being called WWF.

Austin walked out on WWE again (it's like the 3rd time or something) because he didn't like the way it works.

Rock, Austin and all the best guys from 10 years ago basically created their own characters.

Today almost everything is scripted to the point that the wrestler has no say in what happens with his character.

No wonder they don't entertain people. Their hearts aren't into the characters because they were handed them. They didn't creat them.

Kdawg you have some good ideas but Vince McMahon doesn't believe in tag teams making money anymore.

Vince also doesn't think smaller guys can draw money, which is why the cruiserweights are treated like shit.

Until Vince realises that fans are tired of the big steroid freaks and want action and plenty of it he'll continue on the same path.

BTW, if fans wanted to watch smaller guys or tag teams they'd watch TNA.

But TNA hasn't increased their ratings since starting on Spike.

So either people just don't care about wrestling anymore (partially true) or Spike needs to move TNA to a better timeslot and see if they can draw viewers with Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe and AJ Styles.

they need a better timeslot. most people aren't home during that time, as most have social lives. during the week, like wednesday, it would be nice to have tna.

TNA still needs work from what i've seen. if they are the revolution of wrestling at this point, i may be done with wrestling all together. the cena thing was working for wwe. but they never added anything else new to it. they just rode cena til he wore out.

i mean theres really nobody worth watching anywhere at the moment.

they are gonna add someone to Cena soon to "freshen" his character up.

The gloss will come off within 6 weeks since the writers suck though

Benjamin is getting his Mom to join him soon too

WTF are they thinking?

Re-hire Haas, re-unite the World's Greatest Tag Team and push them to the moon

I got a brilliant idea. Pair up Lashley with Simon Dean. Lashley can say that he uses the Simon System and they can show before and after shots of Lashley. For the before shot, show a picture of Mark Henry. For the after shot, show Lashley's real picture. Then, in a couple weeks time, have Mark Henry show up and feud with them.

Henry will be back soon enough, trust me

He better be up soon, his contract lasts until August and he is making a ton of money.

Spoiler alert:

Henry appears on Smackdown Friday night

I warned you

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That belongs in the old cleavage appreciation thread.

Last time I watched wrestling, it was a TLC match between Edge/Christian and the Hardy Boyz. Haven't watched the new WWE shit or whatever.

I was hardcore before that though. I liked WCW until nWo Red/Black phased out.

Sting was my favorite in WCW, fucking awesome guy. If he's coming back, I might start watching...

After WCW went dull, I watched WWF exclusively. Rock/Austin and Undertaker and shit. Got lame fast, but still worth watching I guess.

Never watched TNA or whatever either.

What time/what channel this crap on now?

Spoiler alert:

spoiler

I warned you

I saw the results too. Why have Fit Finley promo's been playing during WWE shows? Thats rediculous, he's gotta be 50 by now.

Now that Smackdown is over.

They ripped off an old storyline. In the late 90's they had Farooq do the run in, after Ahmed Johnson and Sunny had done the same things as Batista and Melina. And, it was when Shawn Michaels and Ahmed Johnson were defending their tag titles against the Smoking Gunns. WWE needs to get creative.

WWE needs to get creative?

They have a "creative" team coming up with these stories.

Jim Cornette has this idea that any storyline can be re-done 7 years later.

Why? Because those that were fans the first time will cheer (or boo) because they remember it.

Those that weren't around will think it's new and "creative" and cheer (or boo) it.

IMO the WWE needs to get Paul Heyman to take over from Stephanie McMahon as head of the creative team.

Everywhere Heyman has gone he's done a fine job with the writing.

ECW, Smackdown when they had Brock, Angle, Benoit, Chavo, Eddie, Benjamin and Haas in all those great matches and now in the WWE's minor league (OVW).

He's on their payroll and they don't use him as much as they should.

So why isn't he being used right? Stephanie McMahon doesn't like him! (very professional isn't it?)

Maybe it's because Heyman actually knows what the fuck he's doing.

Anyway, fuck WWE.

Sting is gonna be in TNA soon and that gives even more people a reason to watch.

Fans will tune in to see Sting, Jarrett and Christian but will stay because of Styles, Samoa Joe and Daniels.

This should be a big year for TNA.

Here's hoping they don't fuck it up.

3 Minute Warning is set to make their return to WWE this week, either in a dark match for Raw, on Heat, or on Raw itself.

TNA's feud is going to be big, but they need to add more guys to Christian's side. Mabye The Naturals? Sonjay Dutt? Sabu?

pharoah ummmm i dont know how to break this to you. but unless sting has drastically hit the treadmill, he wont be much to look at.

i almost felt disgusted seeing how bad he looked about a year and a half ago in a neutral event featuring random washed up stars and some tna guys.

i love the guy's wrestling talent and his schtick, but he's done IMO. unless like i said, he hit the treadmill something serious with renewed life.

Can someone tell me WTF is going on with Orton and taker. i was watching this old ass smackdown on tv. It was when Orton was going to announce his retirement and it was all bullshit. What happened after Orton smacked him with the chair?

The Ortons v Taker thing has gone on for ages and since I don't watch any wrestling (unless a friend brings it over) I can't tell you what happened after that exact moment.

But I guarantee Taker won in the end. He always does, killing all the young guys as only he can.

Actually, HHH does it too and so does Shawn Michaels.

And to think those guys used to whine about Hogan and Savage and Flair back in the day!

And Gutz, Sting's in-ring performance or general appearance doesn't worry me at all.

His name is what counts and TNA will use it to attract viewers. After the come for the Stinger they'll come back for Styles, Joe and Daniels.

Without a doubt in my mind those 3 are the best in-ring performers in the US right now.

Benoit should jump to TNA and be the bad guy. He could claim he's better than all of them and is willing to prove it.

BOOM! Top ratings for those matches IMO and any wrestling fan that didn't watch isn't actually a wrestling fan, they just like soap operas.

The Shane Twins are set to debut on Smackdown, being affiliated with Simon Dean.

The Boogeyman is going to bite the growth off the face of Jillian Hall sometime in the next month.

Big time screw up by Mark Henry on Smackdown.

Do you post on Scout.com kdawg?

Because I read those 3 rumours on Scout 5 minutes ago.

Nope. Read them on a rumors site.

I saw the cage match, but didn't catch any screw up. "The Gimini" were impressive, dominating Spanky and London. I hope they are able to beat MNM for the titles soon.

Juventud Guerrera has been released. Hopefully they break up Super Crazy and Psicosis now. They need to wrestle as singles competitors in the cruiserweight division.

Edge as Champ? WTF.

He should have used it at WM and made the main event HHH v Cena v Edge.

I wonder how they're gonna have Edge lose the belt between now and Mania because you know HHH is gonna be back in the title hunt by then.

If that match never happened at NYR it would have left a sour taste in folks mouths. That elimination chamber match was a shitty match. Carlito and Chris Masters? Get the fuck out of here. I would have given them another year.

I thought it was a pretty good idea to do the Edge/Cena match at NYR. It was something unique, which WWE writers rarely do. When was the last time you went "WTF" from watching or hearing the results from a WWE PPV? Not since Jericho won the title a few years back.

I like Edge as champ. I think he earned it.

Edge will lose the title soon. The ad for an upcoming Raw show is advertised as Cena vs. HHH for the title. They're probably waiting for Cena to get over with the crowd again.

So he'll lose it at the Rumble. :(

Kurt Angle is the new Smackdown Champ!

Won it in a battle royal though, which sucks.

Interesting that he jumped shows and I wonder how they're gonna explain that?

Apparently he got a HUGE reaction from the fans - they loved it.

I wonder if they'll switch Angle with Edge?

Edge v Benoit at WM for the title and Angle v HHH as well?

It's been a long time since Angle v HHH, hasn't it?

It's been like three-fours since an Angle/HHH match. That would be pretty entertaining. A great and moderately good wrestler going at it.

Too bad Orton couldn't get in the mix. He's been made into an idiot the last two months.

That's what happens when you go head to head with Taker.

I hope Edge doesn't lose at the Rumble and they end up having HHH v Cena v Edge at Mania.

Smackdown can have Benoit v Angle.

Orton can go up against Booker T for the US belt at Mania and if they spend some time rebuilding Orton in the early part of the year he'd be a prime candidate for the title as the year comes to an end.

BTW, don't forget about Ken Kennedy. Vince loves him and thinks he's the next big thing.

KENNEDYYYYYYYYYYYY

I love that man. He has great mic skills and one of the best finishers in the business. I can't wait to see him again when he's healthy.

Kennedy will be good in a year or two. I also think that Bobby Lashley will be good too. I think Lashley is a combo of Lesnar, Goldberg, and Tazz.

Kennedy will be good in a year or two. I also think that Bobby Lashley will be good too. I think Lashley is a combo of Lesnar, Goldberg, and Tazz.

i havent seen him but he must ugly with plenty of tatts. :shock:

Nope. Black guy, no tatts. I meant wrestling style. Has many suplex variations(like Tazz), has a body build like Lesnar, and is powerful, like Goldberg.

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He's still a little green(he's a rook, duh) but he'll be pretty damn good down the line. He has all the tools that most big men don't have: speed, power, skill, versatility.

He's just not that convincable yet, because he sounds like a woman.

damn dude must be on them triple h 'roids.

if he's big he doesnt have to be the most crisp wrestler. just go out there and kick ass.

He might be natural.







:lol:

Lashley is naturally built like that. He is known as a bit of a gym rat. He has basically lived in a weight room since he entered college, in the late 90's.

Team Lash with Benjamin and have them beat the living shit outta everyone.

Don't use racism as a gimmick, though.

After 12 months of them killing cats have them turn on each other and BOOM! 2 brand new main event level stars.

It's fucking easy to write simple storylines. Just go back 10 years and steal the ones that worked.

Team Lash with Benjamin and have them beat the living shit outta everyone.

Don't use racism as a gimmick, though.

After 12 months of them killing cats have them turn on each other and BOOM! 2 brand new main event level stars.

It's fucking easy to write simple storylines. Just go back 10 years and steal the ones that worked.
no need, it'll be hard enough to push a black lead superstar in the WWE. for some reason its never really completely worked out. the closest they got to a black world champ was the somoan Rock. i'd have to see what angle they write for the guy.

Have Booker T take Lashley and Orlando Jordan under his wing, reforming Harlem Heat. Like what Pharaoh said, have them wrestle in the tag team division and establish names for themselves. Then, in 2-3 years, they split, like The Rockers, Harlem Heat, and The Steiners have in the past. That should give both guys a big push.

Lashley's voice is fucked up...

Apparently there are plans for a new "bisexual" Orlando Jordan gimmick. Former TNA knockout Trinity, is expected to be his female love interest.

Anyone ever watch "Pride Fighting"?? That's ridiculously good stuff. Real fighting but it comes across as good as wrestling. No storylines though.

Isnt it just called pride? If so, fuck that's cool. It's very popular but yes there is no story line.

who cares about storylines? That's weak - watch a soap opera or some shit.

I just wanna see a believe-able fight and some kick ass moves.

I guess that's why I think WWE is shit.

Why did they have to make my boy Lashley look like a punk? First, he gets punked by Kane at SS, then he gets punked by Mark fucking Henry. They should have waited until the Rumble for the Smackdown title to change hands. That would have been cooler.

The TNA PPV is tonight. I hope it's good because I might get it.

They need Lashley to be the first one to enter the rumble match. Then, he can eliminate 20 guys, before people gang up on him.

Sting made his return to TNA last night.

WTF@Benjamin jobbing last night

Michaels never fucking jobs. I swear to God. At least HHH jobbed to Benjamin three times, Batista three times, Goldberg, HBK a few times, Benoit a few times. But the HasBeenKid continues to rack up the wins.

Thank God they broke up the 4 Live Kru. LAX and the James Gang should be a good feud.

And a huge shoutout to Shannon Moore for having the ICP as his theme music.

Does Hulk Hogan or Macho Man still wrestle?

No Savage - Hogan comes back once a year it seems.

GWB: HBK can't lose, its the storyline. If he loses he'll get fired.

Right now I wouldn't be surprised if Shawn Michaels wins the Rumble and goes to WM to face Edge.

In the storyline Vince is out to get Shawn and they've brought up the Montreal thing.

Might we be seeing a little Bret Hart v HBK deja-vu?

Bret Hart was against all the sex and bullshit WWE was putting on back in the day and HBK was front and centre of that.

Today Shawn is in the Bret Hart role, while Edge is clearly in the old HBK role.

Interesting.

BTW, as long as HHH stays the fuck out of the title picture for a while I'll be happy. Congrats to him and Stephanie McMahon though - heard she's pregnant.

As for TNA: They need to get their shit together. They need to use Sting, Christian and Jarrett better than they are currently.

By the time July rolls around Samoa Joe should be their Champ. Styles and Daniels should be in the title hunt and the X Division should be filled with the other guys they already have.

Sting, Christian, Monty Brown, Jarrett, Abyss and those kind of guys should rotate in and out of the title picture, but Joe, Styles and Daniels should be their main guys.

Props to WWE for starting to bring in some tag team action to Smackdown. The Gymini(Shane Twins) should be in the title hunt soon. Also, Three Minute Warning should be back within the coming weeks. Now, if they can only unify the belts and move all the tag teams to one show, preferably Smackdown.

I think they should pair up Lashley with Kurt Angle. He could really learn from someone like Kurt, who is known for putting guys over and can help him get some mic skills.

As for TNA, giving Shannon Moore a push is bullshit. The guy is awful. He's only there because he's a somewhat recognzeable name, after his work in WWE and WCW. TNA needs to add Sabu and Jeff Hardy to Christian's team, as well as bring in Chris Jericho. Also, putting The Naturals on that team couldn't hurt. Imagine that team.

Jeff Jarrett, Monty Brown, Abyss, Chris Harris, James Storm, Petey Williams, Bobby Roode, Johnny DeVine(when fully healthy), Eric Young, and Alastair Ralph

VS.

Christian Cage, Sting, Rhino, Brother D-Von, Brother Ray, Jeff Hardy, Sabu, Chris Jericho, Chase Stevens, and Andy Douglas.

It would be like the old WCW feuds.

They also need to have one of those 30 man gauntlet for the gold matches, where the winner becomes X-division champion. If they really want to convince Samoa Joe to stay, they could have him enter first and win the whole thing.

Fucking WWE went and screwed it up again.

Cena back as the Champ is not a good way to go.

Rey winning the Rumble is great, especially if he's gonna face Angle at Mania for the belt.

However, I've read reports that the Mania line-up will be something like this:

HHH v John Cena (yawn - another HHH title reign)

Kurt Angle v Randy Orton

Edge v Mick Foley!!!

Shawn Michaels v Vince McMahon

Now, the plans might have changed and they deceided to have Rey win the title shot and face Angle.

That would mean Orton needs an opponent for Mania and it could be Chris Benoit or Booker T.

Anyone watch the Rumble PPV?

Apparently Rob Van Dam came back and the corwd loved it.

Well you have to think too that since the Undertaker came back after the Angle match, the Undertaker might be in the title hunt also..... That would be a pretty weird match.. Undertaker, Angle and Mysterio???

Plus, I think it was pretty obvious that Mysterio was going to win. He dedicated his victory on Smackdown to Eddie so of course he was going to win.....

RVD? Please. He hasnt done anything since 2000.

Same stupid crap, over and over again. Does anyone really care about McMahon and HBGay? How about they mix things up a little bit?

I really like the Boogeyman. At least he is an interesting character who brings something unique. Not like the 85 big men they have that just do nothing and have no character base.

Rey winning the rumble was stupid. He already looks awkward as fuck in there with the heavyweights. And now he's the number one contender? wtf man?

Well, after Raw it could mean HHH v Rey at Mania for whatever title Cena currently has.

Apparently WWE has a big event coming up soon (not PPV) and HHH could win the belt then.

Angle will likely face Taker at the next PPV and keep the belt. Rey will win v Orton and then choose to face HHH at Mania.

That leaves Cena facing Edge at Mania in some type of gimmick match (ladder?) and it's possible Lita might be with Cena by then, or turn on Edge at Mania.

That would mean Foley is out.

Shawn Michaels v Vince is likely still on, or maybe they keep Vince out of it and use Shane McMahon?

And after Raw it looks like Shelton Benjamin might get to face Ric Flair at Mania. It would be good for Benjamin to get a big win over Flair IMO.

But where does all this leave Undertaker? Probably facing some other big guy and kicking his ass because we all know Taker doesn't lose at Mania.

Benoit v Orton? Booker thrown in there as well? Maybe a gimmick match with Finlay, Benoit, Booker and Orton for the US Title?

Mania should be huge this year, even if they don't bring back all the old guys. At least I hope so. I'm tired of the old guys.

BTW, TNA is still pissing me off with their shitty stories. Anyone watch or follow it?

wwe=shitty matches and matchups(rvd vs the big ugly white dude was retarded and deserved the boo's it got)

tna=shitty stories that give you headaches after awhile.

i might be forever done with wrestling.

I'm hoping that Rey realizes that he blows as a heavyweight and returns to the cruiserweight division, where he belongs. It should be more interesting, now that Gregory Helms is the champ.

Rosey and Jamal should be returning to the tag division soon. Hopefully Kane and Show will drop the belts to a tag team soon, and pursue their singles careers. Kane vs. Big Show would be a good match to have at Mania.

I'm hoping that Lashley gets a push soon. He has the talent to be a top tier superstar.

I'm not really sure what they're doing with Finley, but it better be good. For him to get a U.S. title shot, he better start putting on good matches. I think the three way idea between Benoit, Booker T, and Orton sounds about right. That would be a great matchup for Mania. It could keep Orton in a good storyline until Batista returns.

I hope to see Team Gymini face MNM in the near future and take the damn belts. Same goes for 3 Minute Warning versus Kane and Show.

Hopefully Shelton gets a good match at Mania.

The Vince or Shane vs. HBK match is gonna suck, as neither McMahon can wrestle.

I used to be a huge wrestling fan in the late 80's and then gave it up for a while. But around 97-99 became a big fan. It was a good conversation piece at school on Tuesday morning because we would all watch it and it was pretty fucking huge back then.

What killed it for me was when WCW was bought up. I used to be a big wcw fan because it had all the old timers from my youth. Like Flair, Hogan, Machoman, Mean Gene Okerlund etc... The whole NWO thing was pretty entertaining for me. LOL@DDP and the diamond cutter sign. I was never a huge fan of the wwf. I liked Mick Foley because he would do crazy shit but it seemed like they were trying to sell sex instead of wrestling by bring in all these sluts/stupid story lines. If I wanted to watch sleazy storylines, I would watch soap operas. The worst thing is when Vince Mcmahon brought in his whole family. That really turned me off.

Anyway. That was my wrestling story.

WWE has shitty storylines. Randy Orton is supposed to come out and talk shit about Eddie Guerrero on Smackdown. Their writing team is retarded.

Rosey and Jamal should be returning to the tag division soon.

You have been saying that for the last 5 posts kdawg...LOL.

Im the same with UC, was a huge fan back then, and it was worth talking about, but now, its kinda fucked up.

Rosey and Jamal should be returning to the tag division soon.

You have been saying that for the last 5 posts kdawg...LOL.

Im the same with UC, was a huge fan back then, and it was worth talking about, but now, its kinda fucked up.

Because most of the tag teams right now suck. 3 Minute Warning is gonna come in and take the titles from whoever. They'll make the tag division exciting. I'm excited.

I did read that Jamal was coming back and was gonna be put with Cena but didn't hear about 3 minute warning re-uniting.

If they do it should at least make the tag scene a little better but right now WWE is pissing me off.

Edge was doing very well as the Champ and they fucked him.

I'm guessing HHH and Stephanie McMahon had a hand in killing his champ status because HHH doesn't want anyone taking his spot.

Yeah. I guess the only way to really become the top heel in WWE is to marry the Boss' daughter.

I hope Cena loses the title to HHH, which I suspect he will.

Hopefully Angle keeps the belt for awhile, but I think Orton is taking it at Wrestlemania.

TNA is supposed to have a good storyline in the works, but there's nothing to show for it yet. Samoa Joe vs. AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels should be good tho.

Their first match (Styles v Daniels v Joe) was TNA's match of the year so this second one should be sweet.

Christian should win the belt too and if he doesn't I'm done with wrestling completely.

How hard is it to write this shit? Listen to the fans, not some glory hogging loser.

WWE released the Heart Throbs.

Also, Team Gymini(Shane Twins) look to be n the path towards chalenging MNM for the titles. I'm thinking that it'll be at WM22.

Thi Orton/Misterio storyline is making me absolutely sick. While they're at it, why don't they dig up Owen Hart and have someone carry his skull around the ring or something?

Cena vs. HHH at WM22 is gonna suck. Nobody wants either of them to wear the belt. They'd be better off with Edge vs. RVD at Mania. That would be a match the fans want to see.

Taker vs. Mark Henry matchup is familiar. It's basically a rip-off of the Taker vs. Kama match from Summerslam 95, as some sources are saying this will be a casket match.

As for TNA, apparently Sting hasn't retired as previously thought. ANd, I hope Christian beats Jarrett. I want to see Christian vs. Monty Brown at the next PPV.

WWE released the Heart Throbs.

Also, Team Gymini(Shane Twins) look to be n the path towards chalenging MNM for the titles. I'm thinking that it'll be at WM22.

Thi Orton/Misterio storyline is making me absolutely sick. While they're at it, why don't they dig up Owen Hart and have someone carry his skull around the ring or something?

Cena vs. HHH at WM22 is gonna suck. Nobody wants either of them to wear the belt. They'd be better off with Edge vs. RVD at Mania. That would be a match the fans want to see.

Taker vs. Mark Henry matchup is familiar. It's basically a rip-off of the Taker vs. Kama match from Summerslam 95, as some sources are saying this will be a casket match.

As for TNA, apparently Sting hasn't retired as previously thought. ANd, I hope Christian beats Jarrett. I want to see Christian vs. Monty Brown at the next PPV.
i think cena vs triple H will be better than expected.

also Edge vs RVD would actually be a smart match too. everything else in TNA and WWE sucks though.

Christian won the TNA title.

Joe v Daniels v Styles was apparently awesome.

The PPV for TNA was mostly very good according to the internet reports.

I wonder how long Christian will hold the title and if he'll even mention Edge?

BTW, TNA is moving to prime time on Thursdays in April so a ton of internet fans think Jarrett is gonna win it back just before then or on the first prime time show.

Christian won the TNA title.

Joe v Daniels v Styles was apparently awesome.

The PPV for TNA was mostly very good according to the internet reports.

I wonder how long Christian will hold the title and if he'll even mention Edge?

BTW, TNA is moving to prime time on Thursdays in April so a ton of internet fans think Jarrett is gonna win it back just before then or on the first prime time show.
that Jeff Jarrett sucks so bad its unwatchable. and christian as an overall champ doesnt move me at all. cant edge and christian get simultaneously fired at the same time from each company. neither guy could hold a candle to their wcw/wwe predecessors. they were B-level material. which is ok until you call on them to be A-level Torch carriers.

no one is bringing it anywhere on the all around level. [smilie=angryfire.g: [smilie=404.gif] [smilie=404.gif] I'm bout just rent old wwf and wcw/nwo dvd's along with some ufc's greatest knockouts and so K-1 fighting's greatest knockouts. because theres no future in wrestling at the moment.

Christian can be an A-level guy. Edge cannot. They need to bring in Jericho.

How does anyone know if Christian or Edge can be "A-level"?

They need to get seriously pushed like Cena and Batista were. If they were given runs like that and failed to draw money then I could agree they suck.

Gutz, no one in the near future will hold a candle to what was happening during the glory run you speak of. The Rock, Austin, HHH, McMahon, Foley thing in WWE was the biggest thing wrestling has ever known.

The WCW/NWO/Goldberg thing beat it for a long time, so imagine how much money they were drawing!

Nothing around today is gonna compare.

I do believe that UFC and shows like it have taken some people away from wrestling but there is a solution:

Make the stories and matches more "life-like"

There are a number of guys in both promotions who can work that style but the wrestling companies have to come through with it.

I and many other fans would love to see Benoit v Angle again. It's not happening because WWE wants Orton to win the title.

Why? To try and recapture the greatness that was The Rock? Stupid fucking move.

It's too soon to replace The Rock and Austin with similar stars. Go in a different direction for a few years and then switch back.

That's the problem wrestling faces today: Try and recapture the glory days or move toward a more realistic style.

TNA is trying to move both ways and as a result is not doing as well as they could/should. They have Samoa Joe who is a prime candidate for the UFC type stuff and he's a big drawcard for them.

WWE is moving backwards (trying to relive the past) and as a result is losing fans left, right and centre. They should have just used Edge and seen where that went.

I think Vince will wake up eventually. He always does. Maybe turning 60 fucked him up though?

I realize that HHH makes the WWE a shit load of cash but seriously. Who wants to see him with the belt again> the only time he doesnt have it is when hes hurt. make me puke already

I think they need to give the belt to RVD. He deserves it, and might actually keep people tuned in for the later matches on Raw.

RVD might get a limited push for the IC belt and IF he shows he can use the mic better he might get a bigger push.

Until the One Night Stand PPV the entire creative team thought TVD sucked on the mic. Then he let loose and they were stunned.

Maybe if they stopped writing fucking every little thing decent guys would get "over".

Anyone remember Maven?

The best mic work he ever did was unscripted.

What happened? After his little interview he went backstage and was trashed by the creative team for not saying all the things they wanted him to say.

He's since been released.

They fucked up the Lashley undefeated streak. He lost because Finlay interfered. Unless he's losing to Angle, Batista, or Orton, he shouldn't lose....period.

Wasn't RVD with TNA?

Thats funy Pharoah, I was just talking about this to a friend. THe WWE/WWF will never be the same again. Rock, Austin, HHH, Taker, Kane with his Mask on, hell even add the Hardy Boyz and Jericho. That shit can never be replaced. Now, we get some Batista Cena shit.

Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels vs. AJ Style in an ultimate X match. Anyone wanna explain how Samoa Joe can possibly win?

Grabbing the belt off the wires wins him the match and he could do it, but I'd rather see him lose.

It's time for him to move into the heavyweight division and take that title.

Styles or Daniels can grab the belt in the Ultimate X. Apparently these 3 are gonna battle again at Lockdown (all cage PPV). Joe should lose that match as well IMO, if it happens.

The next TV tapings he can go crazy, beat up some bum (Rhino?) and then start a thing with him.

2 months later he could battle Christian for the belt, win it and BOOM! TNA has it's champion.

Cross: RVD has never been in TNA.

But he should go there when his contract runs out. Same for any other medium sized or small wrestler.

WWE has always been about the big guys. Very, very rarely does the little guy win the big one because Vince loves the steroid freaks.

Even when Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero were the champs they didn't get serious pushes.

Only Ric Flair, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels got the serious push that The Rock, HHH, Hogan, Austin and Lesnar got.

Why? Because it was around the time Vince was getting nailed by the US governement for dealing roids. He gave the little guys a shot then and must have been surprised by how well they did (money-wise)

But make no mistake: Vince is always on the lookout for the next big thing and he believes the public like larger than life stars, not small guys.

I watched Raw yesterday. The first I've seen in a while, and also the worst I've seen in a very long time.

WWE has seriously gone down hill. They need to stop using Cena and HHH in every single big storyline.

Cena with the title again...Why aren't they using Bobby? Or even Angle?

Bah! Stop with the HHH hate. He's my favorite RAW superstar. :(

He killed Cena in that RAW promo the other day. The "Cena sucks" chants were noticeable during the promo.

Can't until Smackdiddy tonight.

Hopefully WWE realizes that Lashley shouldn't lose unless it's against Angle, Orton, or Batista.

Samoa Joe lost the Ultimate X Match and Christopher Daniels won the belt.

That's a good thing though, because now we could have Styles v Daniels or someone new vs Daniels for the X Title while Joe goes for the Heavyweight belt.

Christian beat Monty Brown and then was attacked by Jarrett's group after the match.

Sting and other guys made the save, but Scott Steiner came out to help the bad guys.

So, in the year 2006 a PPV ended with Jarrett, Steiner and Sting as the main guys AND none of them holds a title in TNA!

Ladies and gentlemen it's WCW all over again.

Fuck this shit.

Have Christian beat Monty Brown clean on Impact either this coming week or the week after. After the match have Samoa Joe attack Christian.

There's the big money match - Joe v Christian

In the X Division have Daniels v Alex Shelley. He's rising up the ranks and is connected to Jarrett, so there is always a possibility to insert him into the storylines.

After that who gives a fuck? Maybe have Styles v Abyss again to set up Abyss for a title run or a turn and the battles could also propel Styles towards the heavyweight title.

What becomes of Sting, Steiner and Jarrett? Put Ron Killings with Sting and build him up as a legit star.

Then at the height of the feud he could turn on Sting or really save the fucking day and become a big time hero by beating Steiner one on one.

It ain't hard to come up with this shit. I should own TNA

Bah! Stop with the HHH hate. He's my favorite RAW superstar. :(

He killed Cena in that RAW promo the other day. The "Cena sucks" chants were noticeable during the promo.

Just a note:

The rumours claim HHH and Vince McMahon are actually aiming those promos at all those that have boo'd Cena.

They think by pointing out his obvious weaknesses that those that boo him will now have to choose between HHH and Cena.

If Cena can't get full cheers against HHH then after his movie is released in the Summer expect Cena to turn bad. Don't know who he'd end up against though, since Raw has 2 strong bad guys (HHH and Edge) and not enough strong good guys (Shawn Michaels and ...)

Apparently Rob Van Dam is gonna get a serious push after Wrestlemania though. He's even rumoured as a possible World Champion (in a short reign)

The plan is to have HHH win the World Title more times than Ric Flair did and Vince apparently thinks a few short reigns is the way to go.

This could mean HHH wins at Wrestlemania (or Backlash)

Apparently RVD is gonna win the Money in the Bank match then at One Night Stand (part 2 lol) RVD wins the World title, only to lose it back to HHH at Vengeance (the next PPV).

Then they could have some kind of fucked up situation where the title is "vacant" prior to Summerslam, and bring out the Elimination Chamber for the PPV. HHH wins the title again here.

He could then lose it at Cyber Sunday or Survivor Series, only to win it back at the next Rumble or Wrestlemania.

In 12 months he would win the title 3 times!

He's a fucking egomanic but at least he's the last man standing from the glory days. I dont hate him as much as some do - I just think he's not as good as he used to be and could use a change character-wise.

Yeah, I agree with those last few lines about HHH. He can still put on good matches but he's nowhere near as good as 2000-2001 HHH. Not to mention he's only good on the mic for short stints, much like JBL.

I pray to Jehovah that Foley doesn't beat Edge at Mania. Why is this even a match anyway? Terrible booking.

And I hear Somoa Joe looked pretty brutal in the Ultimate X match. A fat guy should not be compting in matches like that. I hope they move him up, since X ain't his style.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! GET THAT ROID FREAK BIG POPPA DUMP OFF MY SCREEN!

I can't see Foley beating Edge at Mania, unless Edge is gonna whip him at the next PPV.

I know Foley and Edge are tight in real life so I assume Mick is gonna put Edge over in a big way (like he did with Randy Orton not too long ago)

Agree with everything else you said GWOW.

Damn, how many names have you had now?

George W, GWOW, the Archdiocese ...

Any others?

HAHAHA

This is my last name. :-x

Sure it is ...

I bet in a month or so you tire of it.

Maybe you could keep it as your custom title?

I had Stackman as mine for a while.

Anyway, what did you think of Raw?

It wasn't all that good.

The matches weren't very good and I was immediately turned off from the start. Does anyone really want to see HBK take a public urine test, then proceed to throw his "urine" at the McMahons? blegh

But I have to give props to WWE for inducting Verne Gagne into their little Hall of Fame. I didn't know who the fuck he was at first but after reading some stuff on him he deserves it. I guess they're trying to make it legit. Now all we need is BRUNO!

If Bruno makes it I'll be surprised.

You know how Goldberg bashes the WWE?

Bruno did it times 100 - he must have had a major falling out with Vince Jr.

Verne was the man back in the day - didn't he win the world title 10 times or something?

I used to know all this shit, but I'm no longer a huge fan

(just check the news and PPV stuff on the net and use that to keep this thread going)

- Vince McMahon is on some major juice.
- Shelton or Lash better win MITB
- Mickie vs Trish. Finally a half-way interesting diva storyline?
- DIE SPIRIT SQUAD DIE!


That is all.

Rumour has it:

Ric Flair is gonna win the MITB match

RVD is gonna get a World title shot at the ECW PPV (which would mean Cena lost to HHH or that RVD turned bad)

MNM is apparently gonna lose the tag belts to Kendrick and London

Rey is apparently gonna win the World Title at Mania

Now, onto other matters:

IF HHH beats Cena at Mania their "feud" should be remembered as "How 2 Bury a Cross-Over Star"

HHH has been the strongest character in the story leading up the big match and if he wins it's gonna expose Cena as "weaker" than HHH.

It would also make HHH the only heel in history to talk a lot of shit, but be right. The bad guy is supposed to talk tough, but then appear to be weak.

HHH doesn't go for that - he runs over everyone.

Stupid booking and the entire creative team need a kick in the ass...

Except those involved with the James/Trish story. It's been extremely well done so far and all that is left is the big match.

I think James should win and injure Trish, who can get some time off before coming back and reclaiming the crown.

While Trish is away James could dedicate her reign to Trish and then beat the shit out of the other women on the show.

Anyway, too much wrestling, not enough NBA.

I cant believe I fucking missed WrestleMania. I finally found a way to watch it for free on the internet and I fucking missed it.
I dont follow wrestling much anymore, but the Royal Rumble and Wrestle Mania are something that you just have to watch.



BTW, WM 2007 is coming to the D. Its going to happen in Ford Field.

Holy fucking shit

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/668/holyshit5hs.jpg

Which show is the Undertaker on? Smackdown, or Raw?

John Cina won? Fuck that. I hate that clown.

Atleast Taker won. 14-0 baby.

Wrestlemania sucked. Right now, I prefer TNA to WWE.

There is a war games match at lockdown.

Team Jarrett vs. Team Sting.

Jarrett's team consists of himself, Americas Most Wanted, and Scott Steiner. Right now, they haven't picked Sting's team but my prediction is Rhino, Ron "The Truth" Killings, and AJ Styles. This is based on what happened at the end of impact.

Team Jerrett was in the ring, begging Sting to come to the ring. Then, the lights went out. Three separate groups of 4-5 TNA Face wrestlers appeared in the crowd. The first had Rhino, who spoke on behalf of his group(Naturals, James Gang) Then was Killings, speaking on behalf of his group. Then, Styles spoke on behalf of his group(X-division face guys;sharkboy, sonjay dutt, sabin)

I was hoping for TNA to use this oppertunity to bring in some established guys, like Jericho, Goldberg, and Lesnar but this is what I think will happen.

I don't get it. Why does every Pacific island or caribbean wrestler have to be potrayed as a savage?

kdawg: Is Lesnar even interested in wrestling? I haven't heard from him in about two years. I'm sure if TNA would offer him a good deal he'd come there.

The Rock wasnt.

I don't get it. Why does every Pacific island or caribbean wrestler have to be potrayed as a savage?

kdawg: Is Lesnar even interested in wrestling? I haven't heard from him in about two years. I'm sure if TNA would offer him a good deal he'd come there.

Lesnar is the Heavyweight Champion in Japan's top wrestling federation right now.

From most reports Mania was "above expectations"

Not hard to imagine, since most thought it was gonna be shit.

Worth watching for Shawn v Vince, The Money in the Bank match and the title matches.

Rey did win, but Flair didnt, so the rumours were partially correct. RVD won the MITB match and is gonna get his shot at the ECW PPV.

Arch: Lesnar is the IWGP Champ.

Anthony: Try watching some TNA wrestling. You might like it, you might not but it's different.

Kdawg: I've heard reports of former Tough Enough winner (contestant?) Daniel Pruder joining TNA.

Not exactly "big star" material, though.

Goldberg has dropped TNA into interviews a bit though and you never know what Jericho could pull off.

I'm surprised no one was here for Mania. I was gonna post somethig but couldn't be bothered.

-Bring back Grandmaster Sexay and have him and Scotty re-form Too Cool
you were doing so good until you said that. the most worthless tag team in history. their act wore out fast for me.

but i do agree about sean o'hare. I honestly thought he had a future. Vince didnt agree with me though. [smilie=annoyed.gif]

Spike TV is cheating the fans by running a promo saying that Sting will announce his tag partners for lockdown tonight. According to every spoiler site on the web, this is false. TNA is gonna let down all of the fans tonight. They will say that the tag partners will be announced on ASpril 13th. Then, it will be moved to the 20th, before being announced at the PPV.

Dishonest promos don't win you any fans.

Blagh. That's so damn shady.

Also, Randy Orton will be suspended for 60 days after the Smackdown taping this week. Not sure what he did, but I'm sure it's bad.

Probally took creative differences too far.

I heard brett hart and vince finally made up and that he was getting inducted in the WWE wrestling hall of fame by Shawn Michaels of all people..

Oh yea lesnar cannot wrestle mainstream in america. its in his contract. the WWE owns him. its pretty fucked up.

Bret was inducted by Steve Austin the day before Mania.

Sting's partners were announced on their TNA show, so they didn't fuck with their fans.

Orton may have failed a drug test because the new "Well Being" bullshit policy they claim to have states that if you fail it twice you get a 60 day suspension.

It's possible Orton just fucked with the wrong diva though, since he's got a rep for doing some nasty shit to the women.

Who are Sting's partners?

Rhyno, Ron Killings, AJ Styles

There was a great match between Samoa Joe and Daniels. A classic. I didn't know Joe was THAT good in the ring. He's the new champ.

Damn I'm good. Posted by me in this thread on Monday, April 3rd:

"There is a war games match at lockdown.

Team Jarrett vs. Team Sting.

Jarrett's team consists of himself, Americas Most Wanted, and Scott Steiner. Right now, they haven't picked Sting's team but my prediction is Rhino, Ron "The Truth" Killings, and AJ Styles. This is based on what happened at the end of impact.

Team Jerrett was in the ring, begging Sting to come to the ring. Then, the lights went out. Three separate groups of 4-5 TNA Face wrestlers appeared in the crowd. The first had Rhino, who spoke on behalf of his group(Naturals, James Gang) Then was Killings, speaking on behalf of his group. Then, Styles spoke on behalf of his group(X-division face guys;sharkboy, sonjay dutt, sabin)"

:( @TNA

You have average free-agents winning world titles, but your best wrestlers are losing in tag team matches(Stles, Daniels). I don't get it. =\

And iss there any truth to DX coming back at the next PPV? Oy vey.

yeah, it appears HHH and Shawn Michaels are going to re-unite at the PPV

On Scout.com they have wrestling forums and they have a thread with a ton of reports about this.


On the Canadian Viewer's Choice website, in a promo for the June Vengeance PPV, it states the following:

"DX, the degenerates that started the Attitude Era, will reunite at Vengeance ­ Are You Ready? Don't miss a minute of the live action as RAW presents WWE's Vengeance, Sunday, June 25th at 8pm ET/5pm PT, live and only on Pay-Per-View. A World Wrestling Entertainment Production. Go to wwe.com for more details. See It All On Viewers Choice!"


This should come as a shock to no one. Viewer's Choice Canada has pulled the verbiage from their website, which we posted earlier today


www.nba.com/bobcats/arena_vengeance.html

World Wrestling Entertainment’s® (WWE) Vengeance, a live, pay-per-view event Sunday, June 25, 2006 at 7:45 p.m. with tickets on sale Saturday, May 13, 2006 at 10:00 a.m.

Superstars scheduled to appear:
THE RETURN OF DE-GENERATION X! - DX IS BACK!!!

NOTE: they list a bunch of other people as well



We have already reported that WWE has already promoted that DX will be returning at the June 25 Vengeance PPV, via the Viewers Choice Canada and Charlotte Bobcats Arena websites. Now, they are broadcasting the reorganization of the famous group in the Charlotte market.

Reader Chris Collins sent word that in a commercial for Vengeance during Raw in the Charlotte, NC market, they announced that tickets for Vengeance go on sale Saturday May 13th and mentioned the "Return of Degeneration X" at the PPV, again confirming what has been reported.

Since both guys are doing the crotch chops on TV every week I think it's pretty much guaranteed they re-unite.

Cena is likely to turn heel and the WWE will use the ECW PPV to do it. RVD is supposed to face Cena then.

LMFAO! Leaking out already.

And yeah, that ECW PPV should be sweet. That ECW crowd will rip Cena a new one. He thought WrestleMania and RR crowds were bad?

Hopefully my boy JBL will win the title soon. 14 months is waaaaaaay too long for him to be without the strap.

Any word on Sting's partner?

I'm guessing TNA will use this to debut a new wrestler. At least, they should, if they want to get high enough ratings to get a more primetime tv slot.

Samoa Joe will be Sting's partner.

I believe this is to get him into the main event scene, which is where he should have been 2 months ago.

He's the big hope for the future, moreso than Styles or Daniels.

JBL is scheduled to beat Mysterio for the title at the next Smackdown PPV. Rey needs time off for injuries, which explains why he lost clean to Mark Henry and why he gets squashed by the new big guy (Khali or something like that)

Basically they are making it look like Rey is crap, which is moronic. Then again by the time his injuries heal and he comes back no one will remember that they squashed him anyway.

I didnt know but Kanes a star in a horror movie.

I didnt know but Kanes a star in a horror movie.

I heard he only has about one line. Most people compliment his performance, however.

Well JBL didn't win the title and I can't even remember the other results.

I only read them an hour ago or so. That kind of tells you how good it was.

I'm so thankful I'm not a huge fan of this anymore. It's easier and a lot cheaper to just read the shit on the net.

Booker T vs Rey Mysterio?

*pukes*

Umaga.

Word on the street is that he'll be getting a HUGE push right around SummerSlam, maybe facing Cena for the strap.

His manager is fucking awesome.

I agree, his manager is pretty well-done. First time I can say anything positive about the WWE in a while.

Also, out of curiousity for a similarly-pushed character. Where are they now: Brock Lesnar?

I think he still holds the main title for the New Japan promotion. I haven't really read any news on him in a while though.

Last thing I read was something about Goldberg v Lesnar in Japan!

Hasn't happened though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xriSdR_AjDc&search=charlie%20haas

Enjoy kids. Lilian Garcia getting knocked off the apron by Charlie Haas before Haas vs. Nitro on last night's Raw.

That was pretty fucking hilarious when I saw it live on TV. I was like, "Did I see what I think I saw?" LOL

I hope she's OK. Big Vis is gonna eat Haas.

she broke her wrist. ingenius.

I thought it was only a sprain?

There was some wrestling on tv so i took a look.

Finlay vs some fucking pirate? wtf ?

undertaker loses to some fucking beast on judgement day.

jbls fucking fat and loses to Ray.

Smackdown looks like shit while Raw looks ok. Fuck the spirit squad though,.

Well, I got tired of posting in this thread and no one else seemed interested anyway.

On the topic though TNA looks like having a good PPV with Slammiversary. Scott Steiner v Samoa Joe should be really good.

WWE stuff? DX is back, Booker T is in the spotlight on SD and ...

Who cares? WWE sucks

ECW is back though, while a shitty first episode. Obviously Vince McMahon and his moronic writers fucked with Paul Heyman's ideas because the show is getting trashed all over the net for a ton of things.

The second episode will have to be better otherwise the hardcore ECW fans will bail on this and Vince would have killed another potential money maker.

After screwing up the WCW invasion I doubt Vince wants to waste this golden opportunity.

WWE needs to stop raping smackdown for its talent and giving it to Raw and ECW. They need to start signing some guys to come in and save that show.

Wha? When is the ECW show on?

Tuesday's
10 PM
Sci-Fi

Also, ya'll should check out wikipedia.com for some good wrestler bios.

i saw thast they are bringing back saturday main event(the show dx was made famous on). honestly i dont know what could help wrestling overall. Edge getting the title is flat out boring to me. He just doesnt impress me. he was a second rate solo wrestler back when the wwe was filled with main characters like the rock, kurt angle, stone cold, dx, ken shamrock, big show, undertaker, and so on. He couldn't crack trough at all when stars started fading out. People blame injuries, but honestly he just never had it IMO.

Either way wrestling is a joke. wake me up when someone breaks through.

Yeah, I got tired of it.

Just to update this though:

RVD lost both the Raw and ECW titles because he was busted smoking pot while driving through Ohio with Sabu.

RVD will be suspended for 30 days by the WWE and as a result of his little habit he lost both belts!

Yeah, I got tired of it.

Just to update this though:

RVD lost both the Raw and ECW titles because he was busted smoking pot while driving through Ohio with Sabu.

RVD will be suspended for 30 days by the WWE and as a result of his little habit he lost both belts!
there is irony to this. since you know theres still some using steroids at this point.

Batista is back on Smackdown finally. Once the draft hits, the rosters should be evened out. It's good to see Lashley and Kennedy in action tho. And, I think Burchill(the pirate) could be an effective main eventer in the future. There are also rumors that the new "Fake Kane" (aka The Freakin Deacon) will be moved to Smackdown.

Mark Henry got nailed by Batista. From the angle I saw it in, Henry took those steel steps hard, but fuck it.

I wonder how long it'll take for Mark Henry to re-injure Batista. He's injured three wrestlers in real life the last six months.

kdawg: I think they're ditching the Pirate Burchill gimmick.

And about damn time Edge is champion again. He's an awesome heel with a great gimmick and in-ring skills. He's also the highest rated champion in the last five years. It's about time he got what he deserved.

Fuck Edge
Fuck ECW
Fuck WWE

Wait until Samoa Joe wins the TNA belt. I hope Jarrett lets Joe crush him on a couple of PPV's in a row, like HHH allowed Batista to.

Joe is the future of TNA - either they know it and are working towards it or they don't know it and the fans will force them to work towards it.

Either way, Joe is gonna be champ by the end of the year

And about damn time Edge is champion again. He's an awesome heel with a great gimmick and in-ring skills. He's also the highest rated champion in the last five years. It's about time he got what he deserved.

Are you kidding me? I hate Edge's schtick, and I also don't think he's got very good in-ring skills. To each their own, though.

And about damn time Edge is champion again. He's an awesome heel with a great gimmick and in-ring skills. He's also the highest rated champion in the last five years. It's about time he got what he deserved.

Are you kidding me? I hate Edge's schtick, and I also don't think he's got very good in-ring skills. To each their own, though.

Unfortunately, he's the best heel on Raw. Mabye in all of WWE/WWECW.

I know, it's rather disappointing.

And about damn time Edge is champion again. He's an awesome heel with a great gimmick and in-ring skills. He's also the highest rated champion in the last five years. It's about time he got what he deserved.

Are you kidding me? I hate Edge's schtick, and I also don't think he's got very good in-ring skills. To each their own, though.

Unfortunately, he's the best heel on Raw. Mabye in all of WWE/WWECW.
if you say so. he's a joke IMO. a guy who got more chances to step up that any wrestler from the stone cold/rock era, and has sucked at it.

only new wrestlers who truly impressed me top to bottom is those scottish braveheart looking wrestlers who remind me of the bushwhackers. they are actually entertaining. i hope mcmahon doesnt fuck that up.

Sabu is fun to watch.

^^Very. I hear he was partially scalped in a match in Mexico a few months back.

So it's going to be Sting vs Jarrett at the next TNA PPV. Great.

And why is Samoa Joe wasting his time feuding with semi-bums like Rhino? They should put him against some bigger fish like Abyss or Christian Cage.

I wish Shelton Benhamin had good mic skills; he has some good skills in the ring.

And I fucking love Umaga. He's like Rikishi but actually impressive in strength, and he has a schweet manager.

So King Booker is now the champ on Smackdown. Awesome, although his title came 3-4 years too late. He'll be a transitional champ, but it's better than nothing.

Smackdown is (temporarily) losing more talent. Lashley has high enzyme levels and The Great Khali has liver disease, so they both will probably be out of action for awhile.

So Hogan's gonna fight in summerslam? The fuck? WWE is getting more and more desperate

So, the smackdown injury count is at....? 10? 11? They need to take the non-ECW guys away from ECW and use them to fix Smackdown. Use the hardcore guys in ECW. Move Vito to ECW(w/o the dress). Change Simon Dean back to Nova and put him in ECW. Go back to the ECW arena in Philly permanantly.

Anyone tell me what happened between Chavo and Rey?

I have no idea, I never watch nor care about SmackDown.

Also they need to quite putting Raw and SD people to face the Big Show. I was never even a hardcore ECW guy, but I am getting pissed because the show's so lame right now. Every match needs to be extreme rules.

For anyone that cares:

TNA signed Kurt Angle!

Pretty big announcement since Angle was on WWE TV about a month ago.

Funny how they "released" him to get his shit together (real life issues with wife and injuries) and less than a month later he's signed with TNA.

I wonder if Vince McMahon is pissed, or he thought this would happen and has something big up his sleeve?

I'll check it out tonight to see if Vince has any gas left in the tank with everything falling apart. Usually desperation brings the best out of him(and the shadiest element if you ask Brett Hart).

Well, based on the reviews I've read RAW was shit.

WWE went with a ton of short matches and a bunch of bullshit, just after TNA announces they have Angle and their company slogan is "We Are Wrestling"!

Vince is fucking stupid, or is hoping he might finally have some competition and that will spark some creative thinking in the WWE.

The Angle signing could prove to be a huge deal if TNA can get their shit together and at least get a decent TV deal.

BTW, Vince Russo is back as part of the TNA creative team. Possibly a good thing, but his track record away from Vince McMahon is shit.

Whats the latest with anything fun in wrestling? I always seem to forget about Monday Night Raw and by the time I remember its over.

kdawg, my sig is waaaaaaaaay better. haha.

Vince McMahon’s hoax goes up in smoke

- 06/14/2007 12:16 AM
RORY SWEENEY

WILKES-BARRE TWP. – Did Vince McMahon, who’s bluffed and blustered his way into the ringmaster’s role of the testosterone-fueled soap opera that is professional wrestling, really fall for the old bomb-in-the-limo trick?

Though World Wrestling Entertainment would have you believe otherwise, the answer is no.

“No one was in any danger,” said Steve Poremba of Monday night’s WWE RAW spectacle at the Wachovia Arena, though he would not elaborate until WWE had sent out a news release.

Despite articles on the wrestling federation’s Web site that firefighters and federal agents are investigating, workers at the Luzerne County 911 Center confirmed that it was “a stunt” and that no emergency vehicles were called to the arena on Monday night.

FBI officials have not yet returned a call.

But fans from across the country have been contacting local media to confirm reports that McMahon, the chairman of the board of WWE, was blown up in a fiery limo-bombing on his very own “Mr. McMahon Appreciation Night,” which was televised on USA Network. McMahon had walked out of the building to the waiting vehicle, so fans inside the arena saw the same televised live scene.

Only it was wasn’t live. Supervised by Zenith Pyrotechnology, based in Deer Park, N.Y., the explosion was actually filmed at the arena late Saturday night, the footage of the burning hulk taped Sunday night and the whole mess spliced together, said Andy Kratz, the township’s zoning officer.

“They did it, I believe, at 11 o’clock at night until 3 a.m. so no one would be around,” he said, adding that it was done in a section generally blocked from public view by the building and surrounding land features.

The pyrotechnics company had to get permits, which Kratz said they did about a week ago. “We have pyrotechnics shows in the arena all the time” for wrestling and ice skating, among other things, he said. “They say they do this quite a bit,” but usually not outside.

Representatives of the pyrotechnics company have not returned calls for comment.

The stunt seems to be part of an ongoing story of McMahon’s spiral into insanity, which wwe.com has been supporting with repeated updates of the faux-bombing story.

“Over the last few weeks on WWE programming, the swaggering, well-off billionaire seemed to unravel right before the eyes of millions. … Mr. McMahon even cited the looming of a “black cloud” last week – a cloud very similar to the post-combustive smoke that billowed above his limousine tonight,” the Web site reported. “The ominous reality is that what was brushed off as incoherent ramblings of a broken man and former ECW World Champion actually may have proven to be an exercising of a recently discovered sixth sense.”

WWE representatives have not yet returned a call for comment.

For more information, read Wednesday’s Times Leader.

This angle really sucks. They could come off with a really good "Whodunit?" angle, but I'm not feeling very confident. The fact that they're playing him off to be dead, yet it's obvious that he's not - and the fans at the stadiums not buying it makes it worse - may lead to a bad few months.

I used to be a huge fan of wrestling when I was a kid (favorites were Hogan obviously, Warrior, and Bret Hart) and I used to just occasionally flip and check it until about a month and a half ago where I finally stopped watching completely. Now I know why.

The good ol' days of the Attitude Era.

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Remember the Ministry of Darkness? That was bad ass.

Speaking of great wrestlers, I wonder if any of you guys are aware that one of my great uncles, Feezle "Half Neson" Goshboots was once the most feared wrestler in the Eastern Northwest Territories Wrestling Federation?
He wrestled under the name "The Flying Dutch Oven", and had a patented move that helped him win him the Middleweight championship, which he held for six years (still a record!).
Uncle Feezle used the time worn props of a mask and a cape, but his cape was not there just to help him pick up chicks. Uncle Feezle's patented move was to climb to the top of the ropes while his opponent was on the mat recuperating from a devastating backhand slap to the chest or something, and launch himself at the poor bastard, smother him with his cape, and let loose with a blast of anal gas that would knock any wrestler out. This move was feared by one and all in the ENWTWF, and eventually it was banned (but Uncle Feezle was allowed to use it under the Grandfather Clause).
Unfortunately, the move died with Uncle Feezle when his arch enemy, The Prostate Exam, pulled out, from a place which we shall not mention, a concealed pack of matches while Uncle Feezle had him trapped for the kill at the ENWTWF Championships on January 28, 1956.
The resulting explosion killed Prostate Exam, and blew Uncle Feezle's arms, legs, nose, ears, and left eye off. However, he survived long enough to relay his story to a reporter so it would not be forgotten.

Best angle ever: when Big Bossman was feuding with Big Show in late '99, made fun of his dead dad, then stole the casket of said dad, and drove off with it.


In case if you all don't remember...


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I feel the Big Show's pain.
My father disappeared one day, without a clue. We didn't know where he was. We pled with the public on national TV, even appeared on the John Walsh show. Nothing happened.
Then came the day we all dreaded; our hearts were broken. We got the sad news right on television in Detroit from Bill Bonds: My father had been found. Alive and well, living in Tierra Del Fuego with a group of Emperor Penguins. I've never been so depressed in my life, knowing that that insurance check was now never going to come.

ZIP GOSHBOOTS YOU'RE A NASTY BASTARD AND YOUR MOMMA SAID SO.

ZIP GOSHBOOTS YOU'RE A NASTY BASTARD AND YOUR MOMMA SAID SO.

I believe she may have been correct, sir!

What a shock.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/brianadamspasses1

Supposedly it's the dude on the right with the S&M suspenders on and the Billy Ray Cyrus-do .

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/3883682/5209058


Brian "Crush" Adams passes away
Written: August 13, 2007World Wrestling Entertainment has learned that Brian Adams, also known to our fans as Crush, has been found dead today. More details are unknown; stay tuned to WWE.com as they become available.

Natural causes, I'm sure.

I'm beginning to think there is something of a trend here, with professional wrestlers dying at a young age. I wonder if anyone has looked into this.

I have a feeling that the government is just about to start snooping around the WWE. It's getting too weird to be coincidental.

I've posted this link before, and it looks like it is no longer being updated, but it's still interesting nonetheless.

http://www.deansplanet.com/deadwrestler.html#

I used to love Brian Adams music. Who knew he was going to roid up and stop peforming Canadian pre-emo soft hits. I'll never forget what's her name that I danced with for all 9 minutes of the extended version of "Everything I Do" at that one high school dance.

RIP, but LOD/Road Warriors/whatever else they were called > Demolition.

Benoit will not be joining TNA.

QFT


(too soon?)

Just finishing up watching a great 2 hour documentary on pro wrestling on A&E.

Just finishing up watching a great 2 hour documentary on pro wrestling on A&E.

Just watched the same documentary Glenn and I have to agree it was worth the channel flipping.

And here we are all these years later and TNA still sucks!

With Angle, Booker T, Sting, Scott Steiner, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles and Christian (until he went back to WWE) on the roster that company can't beat a 1.2 rating?

Fire Russo and I'll book that show with ease.

WWE is getting ready for WrestleMania 25, so they should do something worthwhile.

Apparently Mickey Rourke may/may not wrestle Chris Jericho!

The rumour is that Rourke won't accept WWE's offer until after the Oscar's, so he doesn't kill any chance he has of an award.

IF Rourke doesn't wrestle Jericho it's possible Stone Cold Steve Austin will, or Ric Flair will, or Hulk Hogan will (notice a theme?)

Basically Jericho is gonna get his ass kicked at Mania by a celeb or an old man (one that can't stay retired cause they love the limelight too damn much)

I love the rasslin updates, keep 'em coming.

Maybe Flair can use the figure four process (http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10289) on Jericho?

I hope Flair doesn't wrestle. They made such a big thing about him retiring at the last Mania that it would spit in the face of that.

I know many, many people who want Jericho to face Austin. I've seen the Hogan rumour once but I haven't seen the 1 rumour to rule them all:

Jericho v The Rock! In the "storyline" Jericho is trashing old wrestlers who can't fade away, so The Rock defending their honor doesn't really work but I would love to see them "fight" at Mania.

Mostly because I think Rock would let Jericho win and I was a mark for Jericho in the late 1990's.

GD - you know that company (Flair Finance) went broke, right?

Nothing surprising there - Flair has lived the life he always raved about (limo, jets, etc)

I'm surprised you didn't post reports of Flair having a fight with his daughter's boyfriend (the boyfriend whipped Flair's ass) in the parking lot of some hotel. The cops showed up and followed the blood to Flair's room, where the daughter and her boyfriend were sitting with Flair. The cops starting asking questions and the daughter went nuts and got herself arrested!

BTW, Flair has divorced another wife (I've lost count). At one point the man that is apparently the real best of the best was sleeping on his son's couch in some shitty hotel!

I just saw that about Flair Finance on wikipedia.

It makes sense that he might want (need) to get back in "the game".

He's still in the game.

He has been going around holding Q&A sessions at independent shows, having autograph sessions and has just signed on to have multiple appearances with Ring of Honor (if you haven't heard of them look it up)

But old guys like Flair and Hogan live for the roar of the crowd. You have to remember that back in the old days (before everyone knew it was fake and before it went really "mainstream") Flair and Hogan learnt how to "work" the crowd.

They would do a move or sequence and depending on the reaction from that crowd the wrestler would know if he should keep the move/sequence or ditch it. Gradually as you move around the country you build up your move set and you learn how to make the crowd react the way you want them to, when you want them to. That's the art of professional wrestling. And Hogan and Flair to this day can still hold a 20,000 crowd in the palm of their hand with simple gestures and movements!

BTW, that's why wrestling back in the 1980's was so "great". The performers knew all that shit. The next boom in the mid 1990's was so great because not only did you have all these better wrestlers (guys not roided to the max) but they combined the verbal aspect to it.

Now? A bunch of guys that are learning how to work the crowd while on the job and portraying characters assigned to them, reading scripted lines like it's a fucking movie.

I actually flipped on Raw last night. It just didn't feel right for me.

Well, if you stopped watching wrestling 3-5 years ago you would remember Triple H, John Cena, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, Edge, Chris Jericho and The Undertaker.

Guess what? Those are the guys that will be in the top matches at Mania!

While the NBA has new stars every season the WWE relies on the same old guard year after year after year.

The ONLY reason anyone knows about Steve Austin or The Rock is because Eric Bischoff signed all of the WWF's talent back in the day and Vince McMahon was forced to change his shit up.

And while Vince Russo isn't the greatest booker that ever wrote for a wrestling company I find it fucking hilarious that "smarks" think he's a complete moron when the WWF Attitude/Get The F Out era was because of him. Granted, he stole a lot from Paul Heymand and ECW but at least he had the brains to do that.

I stopped giving a shit in about 04, so yeah, I definitely know those cats.

And here's something else that hasn't changed: my desire to fuck Vince's daughter doggy style.

Triple H gets do that on the regular, so I think you have No Chance In Hell of getting her.

If it makes you feel any better the rumour is that Randy Savage was her first, which is why he has been black listed by the WWE all the years!

I still watch Raw, but WILL NOT watch Smackdown. IMO, things started going belly up when they split the brands up. It was great when you can see a storyline start on one show, and only have to wait about 3 or so days for it's continuation.

Raw just seems to move at a faster pace, especially when they pile a ton of shit up at the intro, to set up the rest of the show. Smackdown just drags and drags and drags. The whole Vicky and Edge thing is unrealistic and lame, and R Truth doesn't need all of that singing in the stands shit to entertain. In short, the writing on Smackdown sucks.

The problem I've got with TNA is that, like German fashion, it's 20 years behind the curve. It's basically the WWF format from the '80's -- lots of backstage interviews with wrestlers who overact (and can't act), and stupid storylines seemingly designed for people with the IQ of a baseball bat. The announcers would rather promote an upcoming PPV than pay attention to the action inside the ring, talking like they've been injected with pure caffine at the same instant. The crowd is small (by contrast, a packed arena of 15,000 fans, IMO, makes a huge difference if you can work them correctly).

The sad thing about TNA is they currently have the best talent in the industry. If they can drop that idiotic 1985 WWF routine and tour a little, they should pack arenas with ease.

Triple H gets do that on the regular, so I think you have No Chance In Hell of getting her.



You have No Chance in Hell of being wrong about that!

You have No Chance in Hell of being wrong about that!

Matt "The Mauler" Bonner might have a chance.

Well, if you stopped watching wrestling 3-5 years ago you would remember Triple H, John Cena, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, Edge, Chris Jericho and The Undertaker.

Guess what? Those are the guys that will be in the top matches at Mania

Well, three of those guys are in the prime of their careers(Orton, Edge, Cena), while one came off the best year of his career(Y2J) so I have no problem with those guys being top dogs.

I'm not saying that those guys being on top is a bad thing in itself (especially Orton, Jericho and Edge), but Vince McMahon is in the entertainment business. Any sane person will have to agree that if you do not create new stars then the old ones will wear out their welcome at some point.

Guys like Ken Kennedy (injury prone) and Jeff Hardy (drug problem) are 2 guys that could have been at the top of the heap (or close to it) but shit just didn't work out. Kennedy is just unlucky, while Hardy is a fucking idiot who can't stay off the drugs.

CM Punk, Matt Hardy, MVP, Shelton Benjamin and Rey Mysterio have been/currently are booked in such a way that the WWE has shot itself in the foot. Either one of those guys could have been pushed to the moon given the right angle, especially Punk, Hardy or Mysterio when you consider they had heels like Orton, Edge and Jericho to work with.

Look at how over Punk is, yet he's basically treated like a jobber because he doesn't have the look or the moveset that WWE traditionally likes. Get a clue WWE: That's why he's so fucking over in the first place.

This cookie cutter shit can't last forever.

Denny: If TNA just stole storylines from internet fans that company would be so much better than it is right now. Vince Russo gets all the blame but at the end of the day Jeff Jarrett approves that shit so he should take the blame IMO.

IF 5 years ago I told you that TNA would have Kurt Angle, Booker T, Sting, Scott Steiner and Kevin Nash as the top heel stable acting like the NWO you would have thought that TNA was doing great business and was putting the fear of God into Vince.

Well, TNA are doing OK, but McMahon isn't running scared.

TNA could hire the fired Ring of Honor booker or better yet go and pay Paul Heyman whatever it takes to come and head up creative. Either option is better than the shit Russo/Jarrett/Dutch Mantel are putting out now

I don;t know who heads up creative for Smackdown anymore. Michael Hayes (former wrestler, member of the Freebirds) was the head dude until he made some racist comments to Mark Henry.

Or did you guys think that Shelton Benjamin's US Title reign, Kofi Kingston's Intercontinental Title reign and Mark Henry's ECW Title reign happening at the same time was a fluke?

WWE has traditionally not pushed minorities (and the first person to say they pushed The Rock gets my cyber foot up your ass. He was so fucking over he could have read the phone book and people would have tuned in)

WWE has traditionally not pushed minorities (and the first person to say they pushed The Rock gets my cyber foot up your ass. He was so fucking over he could have read the phone book and people would have tuned in)
Just watched some Rock on You Tube. It's interesting to see the evolution of his character, then the destruction of his character, either by WWE or by himself. His best years were 1999-2001, when he was basically an antihero -- he didn't give a shit WHO he Rock Bottomed, and he was so full of self loving ego it was hilarious. But then his character started playing to his fame, he started joking and mugging more, and it simply wasn't the same.

Still, I'd take the 2002-2003 version of the Rock over nearly every member of the current stable. He was simply the best enterainer out there. And in the end, that's what it's all about -- entertainment. I read over the internets how people think "this" wrestler sucks, or how "that" wrestler doesn't have the skills. Austin had NOTHING but his fist, foot, and shoulder (Stunner), but will go down in history as the most popular WWE wrestler of all time. The character was perfect for the time.

If Cena acted more like Austin (he sort of does right now, but he still gets too soft), it would be fucking great. Don't walk out to the ring and threaten Edge... walk out to the ring a beat all Hell out of Edge. I would havee written it this way: Let Edge and Vicky gloat, but have Cena sneak up from behing with a chair, whack Edge with it, then FU Vicky. Then he takes the belt and walks off. The fans would've loved it, and it's someting you can completely see Cena doing, because he's gone nutso before.

Only problem with your "Cena goes nutso" story is that the WWE is going for a PG rating! A chair shot to the back of the head, or even the back might have to be edited out. And Cena sells more merchandise than anyone has since Austin, so he's not turning on the 8-14 year olds that demand that mom and dad buy his merch.

Also, Cena saying Edge won the belt helps continue the bullshit idea that Edge can just jump Kofi Kingston and take his place in the Chamber match, PLUS it adds to Cena's character that he doesn't whine or complain about the shitty cards he gets dealt, he just dusts himself off and keeps fighting the good fight.

(I don't agree with the way they did it, but I understand it)

I wish Cena would turn heel - but right now it's not gonna happen. Not when Randy Orton, Edge and Chris Jericho are just fucking killing it as bad guys.

On The Rock: The same thing happened with Austin. They both started out as anti-heroes and WWE stupidly chose to fuck with the characters AFTER WCW went out of business and WWE became a publicly traded company.

No longer could they do as they pleased - the corporate conformity took hold.

And after being a wrestling fan since 1985 I can tell you 2 things that I know hurt the Rock:

1) He put everyone over! And I mean everyone - he was willing to get beaten by everyone and wrestling fans are not used to top guys losing to mid-card talent. Remember his stuff with The Hurricane? Ain't no way Austin or Hogan in their prime would have allowed a guy at that level to get face time (Austin even refused to have a feud with Jeff Jarrett, who was a second tier star at the time. Hurricane? He was no tier). The Rock didn't care, because he was so fucking over and he wanted to help other guys move up the ladder.

Not one top wrestler did that in the late 1990's or early 2000's. The only new star created by WCW was Goldberg - who got over on his own through squash matches that fans were eating up. As stated early Rock, HHH, Austin and Foley got over because there was no one there to hold them back.

And 2) He had a real life battle with Shawn Michaels (they still don't like each other). Apparently Shawn disrespected Rock's Mom or something back before HBK found God. Shawn Michaels just happens to be Triple H's best buddy in real life. Triple H also happens to be married to Stephanie McMahon (and was way back when).

Yes, backstage bullshit fucked with The Rock!

Don't believe that WWE creative would weaken a star at the top, or heading to the top over something so petty? If you watch Smackdown then you know that the MVP character went through a long ass losing streak not long ago. The reason for that "storyline"?

When he went for his piss test he made some smart ass comments to the urine collector! Yes, I'm fucking serious. The creative team at WWE stopped pushing MVP towards the main event because he was dickhead ONCE during a piss test.

And Vince McMahon wonders why "smark" fans eat up the backstage stories! It's because we have invested our time, money and effort into these "newer" stars he's created and when said star gets smashed out of his spot near the top we want to know why.

Apparently the internet fans do have a say though. Christian was supposed to be the guy behind the Jeff Hardy attacks, but because that news was everywhere Vince changed it up and had Matt Hardy turn on his brother!

And on top of that Vince apparently put a huge curtain over the Elimination Chamber before No Way Out so no one could see the guys walk through the matches. Naturally, without the curtain everyone would have seen Edge's title loss and title win and the news would have been on the net before the show even began.

wp;tl;nb;dr

Pharaoh really, really likes wrestling.

So do I, but I like Pharaoh even more.

I was pissed when MVP got shot down. How a main event level wrestler was jobbing to the likes of Kizarny and Funaki is baffling. Then again, one of my favorite wrestlers, Elijah Burke, was jobbing like crazy until finally being released last year. Now I know why MVP was shot down, and I'm not shocked at the pettyness of the McMahon's.

Changing the culprit from Christian to Matt Hardy made perfect sense. Who else would know what hotel Jeff was staying in or where he lives but his brother? And Matt needed a new direction anyway.

wp;tl;nb;dr

Have no idea what that means so I'll take this opportunity to let you all know where the real 25th Anniversary of Wrestlemania will take place in Phoenix, Arizona at the University of Phoenix Stadium. The Arizona Republic reported it so it must true.


The NFL and college football stadium is actually located in Glendale, but the Arizona Cardinals NFL football team plays there and college football's annual Fiesta Bowl is hosted inside the 65,000-seat stadium.

WWE's official announcement isn't expected until tomorrow. A group of event planners pitched their "Destruction in the Desert" plan to WWE last year. T-shirts were even drawn up, and were worn by hockey great Wayne Gretzky.

Pharaoh really, really likes wrestling.

It's a weird thing.

I got into the WWF as a kid (1985) when the business was booming. After a couple of years I grew tired of it and stopped watching WWE all the time around WrestleMania 6 or 7.

I had found the NWA/WCW around 1989 and after watching them for a while I just couldn't continue to put up with the WWF's shit. I guess I wanted to watch better "fake fights".

I started watching WWF again around 1991 when Ric Flair left WCW and went to WWF with the title belt! I watched both WCW and WWF for a couple of years and then just stopped altogether around 1993.

I started watching again in late 1995/early 1996, just in time to catch up on all the shit that was happening in the business before the NWO went wild and took the world of merchandise by storm.

Everywhere you went a ton of people were wearing NWO shirts, and remember that I live in Australia, were merch was harder to get before 1997.

I stopped watching again when WCW started to to get completely shit in late 1999/early 2000. I was pissed they let Jericho, Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Brian Pillman go to WWE (what a fucking stable they would have been) and just gave up.

So, I missed the last ever Nitro.

I stayed away for a little bit, but for some reason I always come back.

I probably started watching again in 2003 or something like that. It was around the time Benoit and Guerrero were getting positioned for their title reigns.

Anyway, long story short:

Unless something drastic happens in the business I think I'll always be a fan.

So do I, but I like Pharaoh even more.

Thanks... it's nice to be popular.


I was pissed when MVP got shot down. How a main event level wrestler was jobbing to the likes of Kizarny and Funaki is baffling. Then again, one of my favorite wrestlers, Elijah Burke, was jobbing like crazy until finally being released last year. Now I know why MVP was shot down, and I'm not shocked at the pettyness of the McMahon's.

Vince McMahon is a law unto himself. I have read several articles that quote former members of the creative team and to get down to it:

It's very much like High School.

If you were a lowly writer you would have to bow down to Triple H, Stephanie, Michael Hayes(maybe not anymore. He used to head up Smackdown but got into trouble for racist comments) and the Raw writer Brian Gerwitz (I think that's how you spell his surname). They are/were the top dogs in the creative meetings.

BTW, if you didn't know: Don;t wait for Burke to return to TV.

The WWE released him!

That's insane. The guy obviously has talent.

TNA's creative team might be shit as well but I'd rather watch AJ Styles, Kurt Angle, Samoa Joe, Mick Foley, Sting, LAX and Beer Money Inc than see a company release tons of talent simply because they couldn't come up with a storyline for him.

Changing the culprit from Christian to Matt Hardy made perfect sense. Who else would know what hotel Jeff was staying in or where he lives but his brother? And Matt needed a new direction anyway.

I disagree that Matt made perfect sense. IMO, Christian made perfect sense.

He's a long time buddy of Edge. Edge is dying to regain his title and "reaches out" to his former tag team partner. Vickie gives Christian the location, since she knows where her SD Champ is staying and BOOM! Christian does the deed.

At the Rumble Christian hammers Jeff with a chair, Edge regains title. On the SD after the Rumble Edge, Christian and Vickie laugh it up in the ring and mock Hardy. Jim Ross could give everyone a history lesson on commentary, bringing up the TLC matches and all that shit.

Eventually Jeff gets tired of the mocking and rushes the ring, only to be beaten down by Edge and Christian. Matt Hardy saves the day.

At No Way Out Edge loses his title in the Elimination Chamber (Triple H must win to set up the Orton feud) but in the Raw Chamber John Cena retains. At Mania Cena could face JBL, Shawn Michaels or the Undertaker, depending on what they felt like.

But at Mania Edge/Christian v Matt/Jeff would be a huge deal, even if they went to a double DQ/double countout as the brawled around the arena and into the parking lot.

After Mania Smackdown would feature Cena as Champ (Triple H will stay on Raw to continue the Orton thing) facing Koslov, Big Show, Umaga etc but the story of the show would be the Edge/Christian v Matt/Jeff battle.

You would have 2 of the best teams ever on SD.
You would have 4 of the most popular wrestlers of the Attitude Era on SD
You could go through a lot of different situations before they square off for the final time either at SummerSlam or Survivor Series in a TLC match.

THEN, Matt turns on Jeff and does this "Dark Cloud" shit, while Christian would eventually turn on Edge (for once again holding him down) at the Rumble.

Mania 26 would see Edge v Christian, with Christian playing the good guy role (he's done it before in TNA). This would get Christian over huge with the crowd. Edge is on a whole 'nother level and could easily put Christian over in a match and still stay "strong".

My "creative writing" ain't great, but WWE ain't much better.

I like it.

The one thing I'd really like to see again is a "street smart" wrestler. The thing I loved about Austin wasn't his wrestling (brawling), but the fact that here's this trailer trash redneck "out thinking" the whole damn stable of wrestlers. He was always one or two steps ahead of everyone else... even Vince McMahon.


I agree with your PG Cena comment. The dude's really articulate, and has great entertainment instincts. He can easily start fucking with minds and out-scheming everyone, but the WWE goes for the easy, simple set-up a 12 year old can understand.

I think wrestling today is an insult to those that have followed it before. There is nothing new, nothing creative going on. They rely too much on the same 4-6 guys to carry everything and not develop anyone. I hate HHH. I hate Shawn Michaels. I hate Cena. Orton is at least interesting. Jericho has been brilliant all year. CM Punk is the anti "superstar", is so over, they gave him a push and now he's back on the mid card. Nothing they do makes sense.

Vince needs to pull his head out of his ass, realize that wrestling fans are not idiots, and make things interesting. Doing this whole "PG" thing too isn't going to work long term either.

D'Nuts: When you say wrestling has nothing new, do you mean the entire business or just WWE?

Because TNA has a lot of new guys that are worth watching: Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin, Jay Lethal, Consequences Creed, LAX, Beer Money Inc. The fact that TNA also has Kurt Angle, Sting, Booker, Mick Foley, Scott Steiner and the Dudley Boys (now Team 3D) just makes it easier for me to watch, despite having to tolerate many shit storylines.

Ring Of Honor is a company that has possibly the best wrestler in the world: Bryan Danielson. He has been in some classic matches and has performed with a ton of different opponents and still had great matches. He was trained by Shawn Michaels, if that makes you wanna check out his shit. Their champ is a guy from the UK - Nigel McGuinness. He's also pretty fucking impressive in the ring and can cut a promo (He ain't The Rock or anything like that but he's decent) and ROH also has The Briscoe Brothers, one of the best teams for at least the last 3 years. They have some other good guys, but I don't watch them because I don;t have the time. I might download a great match or something just to see why everyone raves about it, but I'm not a ROH fan.

I'm sure there is good shit going on in some Japanses companies or in Mexico, but many fans (including myself) can't handle the different styles. I have watched some Japanese stuff in the past and they have the whole buffet: hardcore shit that would blow your mind, technical wrestling, strong style, high flyers, the whole deal. It just depends on what company you wanna watch.

As for the PG thing: It always will happen. Why? Because that's how Vince made WWE into the giant it is today. With stuff aimed at the kids. They only changed to the Attitude Era because the original ECW was doing that crazy stuff and WCW was pushing the limits of what could and could not be done on a wrestling show.

Vince was forced to change. He did not change because he wanted to.

That said in a few years all these kids watching WWE today will hate this shit and another guy like Austin will be there at the right place and time to create another Boom!

Re: CM Punk - Triple H hates his guts, Shawn Michaels thinks he can't wrestle and Vince doesn't like his "look" but the fans, they fucking love him. I just gave you the 3 reasons why he's in the mid-card and not touching the Main Event for a while (unless he wins the Money in the Bank ladder match at Mania again, in which case all bets are off)

TNA's creative team's latest shit =

Samoa Joe actually pulling a knife on Scott Steiner! How fucking stupid is this? If it was a chair or something "found" in an arena I wouldn't mind, but a knife? If the object of this was to make people cheer for a man holding a knife to another man's throat ... job not done, as this just looks pathetic.

Not to mention the fact that not one person mentioned Joe's knife attack after it happened. And they featured police on this episode backstage looking through Booker T's locker room! So the cops don't care that Joe pulled a knife.

TNA has 3 on-air "authority figures" in founder Jeff Jarrett, shareholder (what shares? they aren't a publicly traded company) Mick Foley and commish Jim Cornette. Not 1 of those guys mentioned the knife attack, or threatened to suspend Joe or anything! How fucking stupid. Even the commentators didn't care about Joe's knife - Don West instead cut a promo on Mike Tenay calling him pathetic.

(As most Vince Russo observers will note the promo between West and Tenay draws on real life beefs some wrestlers have with Tenay as it's known he does not speak up in creative meetings when some think he should. That's a post for another time though)

Now, since they have gone with the knife angle what happens when Joe doesnt actually use it on Scott Steiner? What if Joe just kicks his ass and leaves him laying? Will fans want to see Joe pull out another knife and make Steiner tap out, claiming that if Steiner doesn't tap he'll die?

You can't go anywhere good creatively with this knife shit but IMO that's not the worst thing TNA did on the show.

The worst thing is announcing that Sting and Kurt Angle are gonna wrestle for the title at the next PPV! Why is that bad you wrestling crazy freaks ask? Because they fucking gave the match away for free on the previous Impact!. That's right, 1 week ago they gave away their top match and now expect you to pony up for it. To make the free match more "special" it was an "Empty Arena Match" (except the arena wasn't completly empty. The commentators, some security guards and the rest of the Main Event Mafia [Booker T, Kevin Nash, Steiner] were still in the building)

Now they expect fans of TNA to pay to see Sting and Angle wrestle in a normal match. Why would fans do that? Sure, the PPV has other matches (like Booker v AJ Styles and likely Joe v Steiner) but the main event of every PPV is the big draw and TNA just gave their biggest showdown away for free.

Even though I think Russo is close to useless the fact remains Jeff Jarrett approves all this shit. Founder or not he's the wrong man for the job he has.

OK, The thing about Tenay time:

Apparently he doesn't speak up in backstage meetings!

OMG, kill him - dude probably feared for his job for a very long time in WCW and didn;t say shit because you there are some powerful political forces in those meetings.

A WCW creative meeting in 1998/99 would have included:

Eric Bischoff - actually runs the company and is best buddies with Hulk Hogan in real life. On TV he plays the boss, is best buddies with Hogan and his crew that includes Kevin Nash

Hulk Hogan - is the money man for WCW, best buds with Bischoff. On tv he basically can do as he pleases cause he's Hulk Hogan

Kevin Nash - ever wonder why Nash beat Goldberg and ended his winning streak? Because Nash was the head of creative at the time and if you've got that job you should at least use it to your advantage.

Ric Flair - had many, many friends in WCW offices and backstage

To blast Tenay for sitting silently in those meetings is moronic. What's he gonna do? Get them to change their plans? He would have been shouted down or told to pack his bags or both.

At some point in TNA he was part of creative meetings (this was before Russo, Jarrett and Dutch Mantel took over the creative side) and if he sat silently there then maybe you can question why. After all, in those TNA meetings back in the day there wasn't as many political beasts rolling around backstage.

Now? With Foley, Jarrett, Nash, Angle, Sting, Scott Steiner and Russo around and all wanting to get their ideas put on TV it's no wonder a guy like Tenay would keep his mouth shut.

Question for Pharaoh -- how the Hell does TNA make money when they're stuck in the same arena for every Impact (or what appears to be the same arena). WWE is annually near the top or at the top of venue attendance moneymakers. I can't remember the last time I watched a RAW and saw empty seats at the top.

From what I understand, tix aren't too expensive, either. But if you're packing 15 grand into an arena at $25 a ticket, that's some decent money. And that doesn't count the merch vendors.

Also, TNA is a cross between WCW and WWF circa 1985. I can't watch it due to it's cheeziness. Of course, some will say "dude, but they've got great wrestlers". Of course they do, but the foremost importance is "entertainment". It's a scripted television SHOW, not a sports event. A show's main purpose is to entertain, and if you don't have great writers it doesn't matter who the fuck you put in front of that camera...period.

On the flip side, you can have a stable of mediocre wrestlers, but if they can entertain you AND you have solid writing, then you're all gold. Check out the Attitude Era as an example. Neither the Rock nor Stone Cold Steve Austin nor HHH were very good technical wrestlers, and HHH can't sell a punch if his life depended on it (shit misses by a good six inches or more each and every time), but their characters were so damn incredible that it didn't matter.

If you develop solid and varied personas, the storylines will write themselves.

...and whatever happened to Bobby Lashley

Question for Pharaoh -- how the Hell does TNA make money when they're stuck in the same arena for every Impact (or what appears to be the same arena). WWE is annually near the top or at the top of venue attendance moneymakers. I can't remember the last time I watched a RAW and saw empty seats at the top. From what I understand, tix aren't too expensive, either. But if you're packing 15 grand into an arena at $25 a ticket, that's some decent money. And that doesn't count the merch vendors.

TNA's arena "Impact Zone" is on the lot at Universal, so not only does TNA have to pay to use the site they can't charge fans that attend! It only holds 900 people though, so it's not like thousands of fans are getting a free show. Combine that issue with their talent roster and the cost of some of these guys (Sting s the highest paid wrestler in the world - per appearance and Angle actually makes more money per appearance than he did in WWE) and it's hard to understand how TNA could ever turn a profit.

But apparently they are making money. Most of their cash comes from selling their Impact show around the world. Impact is carried in a lot of countries and those networks/stations have to pay for it. I know TNA does/did big business in the UK because they've toured there twice in the last few years and I know India gets Global Impact, because Sonjay Dutt (an Indian wrestler in TNA) used that to try to get more money out of TNA when his contract was coming up. They released him instead lol

I have heard that Spike TV did help them pay for Sting, too. Maybe they helped pay for some of the other big names. If they didn't help re-sign the Dudley Boys, Scott Steiner and Kevin Nash recently then TNA is fucking stupid for keeping those guys and letting people like Christian and Gail Kim leave.




Also, TNA is a cross between WCW and WWF circa 1985. I can't watch it due to it's cheeziness. Of course, some will say "dude, but they've got great wrestlers". Of course they do, but the foremost importance is "entertainment". It's a scripted television SHOW, not a sports event. A show's main purpose is to entertain, and if you don't have great writers it doesn't matter who the fuck you put in front of that camera...period.

I'd say TNA is more like WCW in 1997-2000, unfortunately. That's when WCW had Benoit, Jericho, Booker T, Malenko, Eddie and Chavo Guerrero, Goldberg rising, Mysterio and Kidman going all out to have great matches.

The storylines were shit, they didn't get much time on the mic to sell those pathetic storylines and it didn't matter if they had a great match or the fans loved them because Hogan, Nash, Hall, Dallas Page, Savage, Luger, Sting, Flair, etc had the top spots locked down.

And while you might want entertainment many wrestling fans want to see matches that are realistic and stories that are based in reality. As Arn Anderson used to say "The W on the marquee stands for Wrestling"

Of course if you pander to the hardcore fan and have classic matches on every TV show then at some point the matches become routine. If you love steak and you only ate steak every night for weeks on end eventually you're gonna fucking hate steak.

Naturally every wrestling company with a TV show tries to find a balance between great in-ring action and great storylines, but IMO TNA need to change the whole show if they want to be anything more than a shitty version of WWE. [my plan is quite lengthy so I'll post it on a slow day]



On the flip side, you can have a stable of mediocre wrestlers, but if they can entertain you AND you have solid writing, then you're all gold. Check out the Attitude Era as an example. Neither the Rock nor Stone Cold Steve Austin nor HHH were very good technical wrestlers, and HHH can't sell a punch if his life depended on it (shit misses by a good six inches or more each and every time), but their characters were so damn incredible that it didn't matter.

If you develop solid and varied personas, the storylines will write themselves.

And the reason the Attitude Era worked so well is because those characters were clearly defined. Despite popular opinion Vince Russo is actually quite good at booking "Shades of Grey" TV - where you take wrestler A and he has a set of values and morals. All his actions are based on those character traits. It's up to the fans to decide if you cheer or boo that character.

Russo just has no patience to let issues brew "naturally" and is always rushing to the next plot point. A team can form and break up within 1 month and he sees no problem with that. The obvious problem with these quick turns is that people don't have any emotional connection to the team that just formed, so why would people care if they part ways? The break up would matter more if you let it slowly build over a lengthy period of time before 1 wrestler turned on another.

The recent EPIC FAIL of the Main Event Mafia v Frontline war is a clear case of Russo having a good idea (or recycling a good old idea), except the way it was portrayed killed it. All the characters involved were/are right, based on their histories, character traits and from their own POV. However, fans did not want to boo Sting and they didn't want to cheer Kurt Angle. Yet those 2 were on the same side! So the fans sat on their hands.

The Impact Zone fans love Samoa Joe but even they couldn't cheer a man wanting to take out Sting. The Stinger is a fucking Icon (and the only man who has pinned Hogan and Flair for a world title win btw) Because the writing wasn't better and because the sides weren't clear cut the storyline failed.

Is that Russo's fault? Partly, since he's the mastermind behind the Shades of Grey booking concept but it's also due to the fact that certain wrestlers (Sting) did not want to be the bad guy in this storyline.

I could save the storyline for TNA, though and it's pretty simple (another post for another day) but the fact remains that the Frontline was portrayed as less than the MEM.

Eric Bischoff said re: Nitro "Be better, be different or be less than" WCW couldn't beat WWE at their own game in 1995. They didn't want to be less than, so they were different.

TNA needs to do the same thing: "Be Different". Shades of Grey would work, but the majority of fans from the Attitude Era have left - which is why Vince is going for the PG rating.

The thing I notices most about TNA is that their show is... a "show", while the WWE shows (yes, even shitty SmackDown), is more of a rock concert -- huge setting, lots of choreographed lights and pyrotechnics, fans holding signs. When I'm watching RAW. I'm watching an event. There really is an aire of connection with the fans, and it makes a huge difference when the fans "sit on their hands" during a show, as compared to when the crowd is really into it.

I'm the kind of viewer who enjoys quality in production. I like films and shows that appear like the crew and talent really put serious effort into the product, rather than just going through the paces. It's why I enjoy Letterman over Leno -- Letterman's show is chok full of effort, even if it sometimes doesn;t work, and he packs a shitload of stuff into each taping, while Leno played it safe and pulled the same old shtick each and every time. Let's hope Conan takes it up a few notches (fuck NBC if they hold him back).

TNA needs your ideas, man. But they also need to stop being lazy fucks, get out of Floriduh, and tour.

They do need to change the creative team (the Jarrett/Russo/Dutch Mantel trio has been in charge for what seems like forever) and they need either a new arena to tape Impact in or they need to tape it while on the road.

I agree that WWE shows look fucking amazing. That has something to do with the fact they are very, very good at hiding empty seats. They would never show a wide shot of the crowd if part of that space is empty.

TNA also needs to forget going live for at least the next 2-3 years - they don't have the production crew capable of that. These guys are lazy - they miss pins on Pay Per Views or TV far too often.

Think about it: 99.9% of matches are completely scripted now from start to finish (when back in the day the wrestlers only knew a few spots and the finish) so everyone in the production crew knows what's coming and when. How the fuck do you miss the finish?

IMO TNA needs to spend whatever it would take to hire Paul Heyman to be the lead writer. Then bring Scott D'Amore back from his Indy promotion in Canada (he was the writer that got TNA's women's division going and it was awesome). Then have Russo and Jim Cornette work under them.

Russo, Cornette and Heyman are not exactly the best of friends (which stems from the way they view wrestling) but all 3 are very capable, proven bookers.

Heyman has a column in the UK Sun or something (it's called the Heyman Hustle if you wanna google it) and he has stated time after time that TNA is fucking themselves with this WWE-Lite shit and that they don't know what to do with their roster (which implies that he does know what to do with it)

2 non-wrestling hires and TNA would be fine creatively. Production wise I can't help there.

BTW, Bobby Lashley is training to fight in some MMA company. Can't remember which one, but it's not the UFC.

Didn't he leave because of that whole Michael Hayes fiasco?

Yeah. Hayes being the racist cunt that he is and was planning on putting some diva (forgot her name though I want to type Krista Marshall for some reason) in a really bad storyline.

Either Lashley was with her at the time, or caught wind of the proposed storyline and fucking flipped but either way he was released staright away.

Usually any WWE performer has a 90-day No Compete clause, meaning they can't appear on TV for another wrestling company in the world! The surprising thing about Lashley's release is that WWE waived the no compete clause.

IIRC he didn't show up anywhere during the 90 days, so it didn't really matter, but it did bring more attention to his release and once people got digging the racist shit was gonna come out.

BTW, the fact that WWE gave in and released a guy like Lashley speaks volumes for that company. Granted he wasn't any good on the mic but the guy was roided the fuck up, was over with the crowd and was a main event player before his injury.

To allow someone at his level to leave means that the storyline must have been pretty fucking bad - I'm talking slave type shit

What's so wrong about slavery?

We're all slaves to something.

A truckload of people wake up every day and go to work rather than wake up and go fucking chill out somewhere.

You do have a choice. You could live in a cardboard box, eat garbage for the rest of your life and deal with that kind of life or...

You can keep going to work at a place you hate, for a wage you think is beneath you in order to buy crap you don't need so that you appear to be normal to your family, friends, neighbours.

You're not normal - if you were normal you'd tell your boss to get fucked, quit that shitty job and go do something you actually enjoy doing.

Oh, back to wrestling.

Chris Jericho may end up facing Jerry Lawler at Mania!

WTF?

From Mickey Rourke to Ric Flair to Rick Steamboat to Jerry Lawler? Some consider Lawler a legend (and to be fair he is) but he's been a comedy relief kind of wrestler the last decade. He's known more for his announcing now than his accomplishments as a wrestler.

The only match that makes sense to me is Jericho v Hogan! It's Mania 25 - Hogan has to appear. With Rourke (got to be there) and Flair (there for reasons that will be obvious shortly) in his corner Hogan could pin Jericho in less than 10 minutes and the fans got what they wanted: Jericho got put in his place by a legend.

(If I was running WWE) After the match as Flair, Hogan and Rourke celebrate the win Flair turns on Hogan!!! Jericho and Flair then beat down Hogan and Rourke.

Later that night Flair and Jericho help Orton win the title from Triple H.

The next night on Raw Flair, Orton, Jericho, Rhodes and DiBiase kick off the show in suits, raising the 4 Horsemen hand sign (even though there's 5 of them).

Yeah, I went back to the good ol' days but this would fucking rock. To explain why Legacy joined Flair and Jericho Orton could simply say that "There is no greater Legacy than being a Horsemen"

The Raw GM (whomever that is after Mania) under threats of the Horsemen rules that Triple H has to fight his way through the Horsemen before he is granted his rematch.

So, that sets up a 1 month TV feud between Triple H and Rhodes, which HHH naturally barely wins. It's hard surviving the 5 on 1 odds.

Then we could go to a 2 month prgram with DiBiase, which would see the introduction of Mr Kennedy. He'd come to the aid of HHH. The Triple H/DiBiase battle would feature a match between Kennedy/HHH v Rhodes/DiBiase on PPV, plus a HHH/DiBiase match on PPV before HHH moves on to Jericho.

HHH v Jericho at Summer Slam in August would sell a lot of tickets in this scenario, with Kennedy, Orton, Rhodes, DiBiase and Flair all circling the scene.

But really we're just building to the Ultimate Showdown between HHH and Orton, which would take place at Survivor Series in November.

So, from Mania 25 until November RAW as a TV Show would feature 2 v 5 and every possible combination of match they could have. Just as the story could get old and tired I have a plot twist:

The Triple H/Orton war would end at the Rumble in 2010 ("I Quit" Match). During this match you Kennedy would turn on HHH, costing him the title.

The next night on RAW the Horsemen call Kennedy to the ring. Naturally they aren't adding another member - so who is being booted?

Chris Jericho gets smashed by the Horsemen and left laying in a pool of his own blood as Flair, Orton, Rhodes and DiBiase welcome Kennedy into the group. Jericho is not seen again until...

At the February PPV, Orton defends the title against HHH (using the old rematch clause thing). In a surprise Jericho helps HHH win the belt back.

From here to Mania it's a basic story as we set up a Fatal Four Way for the RAW Title:

Triple H v Randy Orton v Chris Jericho v Mr. Kennedy

That's a pretty fucking solid 12 month storyline that I spent all of 2 seconds thinking about as I typed!

I've always wished for the Horsemen to come back, but the combinations were never there.

Now, you've got DiBiase and Rhodes basically as Blanchard/Anderson, the dominant tag team. You need a big man, which Orton can fill, and you've got a loudmouth, which Kennedy can EASILY fill. Flair doesn't have to wrestle -- he can play the J.J. role and be the manager. So really you'll only have four plus Flair.

As for wrestlemania, I'd prefer to see Austin (or Hogan) v. Jericho in a lumberjack match with HOF legends surrounding the ring.

Shit dude. You've gotta find a way to get your post on to a wrestling site. I'm sure WWE creative reads those things from time to time.

Denny, they get a ton of posts every day and they still churn out shit.

There is a section on WWE.com where you can send them your creative ideas but if they use them you get nothing. I don't care if they use my ideas, just put out a better product.

If I can write an outline for a feud that could headline the RAW Brand for 12 months in 2 minutes imagine what they should be putting out. The problem is that the WWE creative team spends 50 weeks per year putting out content (a lot of shows and the ppvs) that they don't have time to listen to the fans or see what the latest trends are.

For the Record WWE: Everyone loves to see wrestlers form stables. The business fucking booms when there is a dominant stable:

1980's WWF = Heenan had a group of wrestlers challenging Hogan
1980's NWA = The Four Horsemen

1990's WWF = DX, Nation of Domination, The Hart Foundation, The Ministry etc
1990's WCW = NWO, The Horsemen

Now we've got Legacy, but they haven't put the smackdown on anyone yet, not really. Not Horsemen style or NWO style. After Orton wins the title at Mania they need to fucking destroy Triple H and another top contender in "backstage attacks" to get some serious fucking heat.

Right now, Orton is getting some cheers from the crowd (when you hit the McMahon's you're bound to get a cheer) as well as getting real heel heat. To eliminate those cheers and actually allow Rhodes and DiBiase to gain some heat they need to plan a substantial role in at least 2 kick ass beatdowns on someone like John Cena, The Undertaker, HHH or someone on that level...

They should beatdown HHH one week, then Shawn Michaels the next and just keep fucking alternating between the 2 until 1 night HHH comes out to save Michaels. The next week have a verbal confrontation between Legacy and HHH/Michaels. That would set up a DX reunion v Rhodes/DiBiase.

This way more people would tune in the next week and they'd pop a big rating for something "special" (I realise DX has re-united so many fucking times it's almost a joke but the fact remains that group was so over and is still so over that fans will forgive them for continuing to play on it).

Naturally Orton would interfere in that match and Rhodes/DiBiase would win. Then for the next few weeks you could see Michaels v Rhodes and HHH v DiBiase. Then for a few more weeks you could have HHH v Rhodes and Michaels v DiBiase. Orton is busy threatening the GM.

After HHH and Michaels have given the rub to the lesser Legacy members 1 of them would get to face Orton. But which one?

The guy still out for revenge (HHH) or the guy who feels his career is nearing it's end and this might just be his last chance at the title (Michaels)

Can the 2 friends get a long?
Will their friendship break down again due to ambition?
And can Orton surive a twin turbo attack from DX?

Tune in NEVER to find out the answers.

Fuck! This shit is easy to outline. Maybe the dialogue would be difficult and the matches would be impossible for me to write but that's why they PAY those fuckers and they don;t pay me.

Looks like they're turning Cena into Austin Lite, and not a moment too soon.

Kicking Show in the nuts. Getting into Edge's head. Threatening Guerrero. Outsmarting all three at once.

This is more like it.

Also, Legacy is ganging up on HHH, just like you predicted, Pharaoh. Guess they ARE reading your posts. Perhaps a WWE troll amongst us?

Looks like they're turning Cena into Austin Lite, and not a moment too soon.

Kicking Show in the nuts. Getting into Edge's head. Threatening Guerrero. Outsmarting all three at once.

This is more like it.

Also, Legacy is ganging up on HHH, just like you predicted, Pharaoh. Guess they ARE reading your posts. Perhaps a WWE troll amongst us?

Well, they could copy my stuff, but honestly it's just smart booking.

By making the entire Legacy stable strong (as opposed to just Orton) HHH's final victory will be much more "significant" as you will feel like he overcame greater odds to succeed.

That's the formula they used for Austin, are using for Cena right now and will continue to use for every top flight good guy.

The heels are supposed to cheat and gang up on the good guy - they're the bad guys. The good guy eventually has to overcome the stacked deck and prevail in the ultimate showdown.

Then the cycle can start again. That's wrestling. The heels control everything because a good guy is only as good as the bad guy makes him.

Best Raw in a while, IMO

And a good storyline between Vickie/Edge/Showster. The security cam footage is hilarious. Priceless.

Does anyone else notice that every storyline outside HHH v Orton and Michaels v Undertaker is kind of shitty?

You've got the 3 way with Cena, Edge and Big Show - when Cena v Edge was good enough for everyone.

You've got Jericho trashing legends left and right but at this stage it seems Jerry Lawler is gonna be his opponent. It should be Hogan or Austin

The Money In The Bank match doesn't have the "right" people in it. Kane and Mark Henry won't suck as the smaller guys need some big guys to do the catching but WWE could have/should have included guys like Mike Knox, Rey Mysterio, John Morrison and Evan Bourne (who will return before Mania).

The JBL Intercontinental Title feud hasn't even started yet (though could end up with us seeing JBL v Mysterio)

Once again the US Title won't be defended on the show, as Shelton Benjamin is in the Money in the Bank match. It seems the only reason Benjamin is still in WWE is so he can be in the ladder match every year. BTW, every single winner of the Money In The Bank match has gone on to win whatever title they challenged for. This year is likely to be the first year that doesn't happen.

This Mania seems just kind of crappy to me.

Re: Money in the bank. If Cena beats Show and Edge, with Show and Vicky sticking together, it will be interesting to see if Christian wins MOTB, challenges HHH and uses Edge against him, turning heel and reuniting Edge and Christian. This will keep HHH on Smackdown and offer him his very own Legacy-type heels.

Re: Lawler and Jehrico. I'd LOVE to see Austin v. Jehrico, but if it's a Lawler (or Flair) and Jehrico in a LUMBERJACK match with the ring surrounded by legends, and with Austin as special guest ref (big surprise, eh?), now THAT would be entertaining.

What's interesting about the Jehrico storyline is that none have shoved the "weren't you a DJ or something, failed, and then you came back" line. I think he was a DJ, but I'm not sure WHY he came back other than that he was being wooed by TNA at one point. Perhaps it was a bidding war.

I've never been a huge fan of any wresler grappling past 45. I simply don't buy it. Unless you're Gordie Howe or Ray Guy or MJ, or a NASCAR driver, there is NO WAY a 45 year old can hang with a 25 year old.... unless he cheats. If it's Flair and Jehrico in a lumberjack match, with all of the vets outside the ring in on the cheating with Flair, that might be a lot of fun to watch.

Haven't watched in about 5 years, but I agree on the old guy shit. Why is Flair still out there? I know it's all scripted, but they really make it more unbelievable when they put some 60 year old out there to wrestle. I don't call it fake, because it's physically demanding and people actually get hurt (and die sometimes), but how can you trot out a 60 year old like that and expect people to think he could actually compete with 25 year olds?

mantits have amazing powers

I was thinking about this yesterday, the Rock made a pretty smart move to give up football and wrestle, then act. I bet he makes some serious money now.

mantits have amazing powers
Post of the year so far

Flair wrestled his last match at last year's Mania. IMO they did a very good job having him survive the "Lose and Retire" stipulation they had as the storyline. WWE managed to keep Flair winning by disqualification, countout, due to outside interference etc.

When he wrestled Shawn Michaels at the last Mania I know a few pro wrestlers cried as Flair lost. WWE basically gave Flair a 3-day retirement ceremony and many, many wrestlers shed a tear due to the respect Flair warrants.

That shit wouldn't happen with Hogan - Hogan tired to put himself over every single time. Flair made his opponents look like a million bucks. Sting is just 1 star that Flair made.

As for HHH v Edge/Christian on Smackdown - don't be surprised if HHH and the Undertaker end up on RAW after the Draft. My Network TV is not running first run shows other than Smackdown anymore. They are basically a shitty second rate channel.

WWE are not happy that My Network TV has turned to shit, especially after giving them Triple H, Jeff Hardy, Edge, Mr. Kennedy, The Undertaker and Jim Ross. WWE did all it could to get viewers to the network but it didn't help at all.

BTW, there are rumours that Jericho won't even have a match at Mania.

The story goes that when WWE gets the Legends to take their bow in the ring on the Mania PPV Jericho will enter the ring and cut his usual promo. Then the glass will shatter and Stone Cold will come out. The Legends have their way with Jericho before Austin hits a Stunner or 2 and the Legends chug some beers to end the segment.

This saves Jericho from losing to someone that isn't an active wrestler and allows Austin to avoid wrestling a full match. Apparently if Austin gets hit in the wrong spot it could mean he's in a wheelchair for life!

Becoming the Dynamite Kid is something no wrestler wants.

They should try and get Smackdown on NBC. Universal own both (NBC, USA). The networks are looking for alternatives to one hour dramas these days, and WWE is a proven ratings winner. Also Saturady Night's Main Event seems to do well enough to gauge potential success on the network.

Also, moving Smackdown to Fridays didn't help.

Denny, if someone from WWE does read this they just printed your post and faxed it to NBC.

WWE would love to be on NBC but the problem is that Saturday Night's Main Event doesn't draw the ratings that RAW draws. ECW on Sci Fi and Smackdown on My Network TV draw less than half of what RAW draws as well.

Basically, WWE survives off RAW. The fact is that RAW is Vince's baby, the show that saved his ass when WCW was almost putting him out of business, it's live and has the better talent roster.

IMO what WWE needs to do is have the 3 Brands actually be 3 different Brands. Eric Bischoff said that Nitro could either be better than WWF, different from WWF or less than the WWF - he went with different (and succeeded. TNA are not better than WWE, are not different from WWE therefore they are less than WWE).

So, back to the 3 Brands. Keep the rosters seperate. For fuck's sake that was the plan, right? So you didn't wear out storylines or wrestlers by having them "over-exposed". So why is Triple H on RAW and Smackdown? Why do Morrison and Miz show up on all 3 shows? So forget that.

The RAW show should feature more of the entertainment side than any other Brand. It should still have the better talent roster, because it's the flagship show. It would still have matches, though - it's not like the show is gonna be a sitcom.

ECW should feature more of the cruiserweight kind of style. That doesn't mean it becomes a "no-selling" show for "vanilla midgets" either. It just means that the smaller guys get TV time so that they can learn to adapt their Indy styles towards a more WWE-friendly style.

Smackdown should feature more of the WWE style of wrestling with less focus on the entertainment side of it. Remember when Smackdown had the 3 teams of Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit, Eddie and Chavo Guerrero, Edge and Rey Mysterio? Brock Lesnar was the "Undisputed Champ" and went back and forth between shows. The booker (writer) was Paul Heyman (it's funny how he always gets a mention when talking about good years in wrestling). Heyman used those 6 guys as his Main Event and featured them in every possible combination for ages. The fact that those 6 were/are great in the ring certainly helped.

WWE wouldn't have to do anything to accomplish what I've proposed either, though they could adjust the talent rosters using the Draft.

Take ECW for example: In order to use that show for younger, under used/under performing smaller wrestlers you simply move Christian, John Morrison, The Miz, Jack Swagger and Mark Henry to other Brands in favour of Shelton Benjamin, Brian Kendrick, Rey Myserio and Chavo Guerrero.

Benjamin, Chavo and Mysterio are veterans that can help the younger guys adapt to the WWE. Shelton and Mysterio are also both in need of a little rebuild too.

Anyway, I'm rambling - so I'm done.

SNME doesn't draw the ratings because:

a) It's on Saturday, the WORST night for ratings.
b) It's kind of a stand alone show.

Any night but Friday or Saturday, with continuing storylines and big matches, and I think it could show some decent numbers. It would also allow NBCUniversal to work with WWE to cross pollinate shows with WWE talent. These days, some of the wrestlers can actually act, as opposed to the Hogan days when they were all overblown characters.

As for MyTV, I'm not certain what % of households carry MyTV. When it was UPN, it was only about 90%.

I don't know what WWE charges per episode, but considering how much the company makes at the door for live events, merchandise, and PPVs, I'm sure the deal would be cost-beneficial for NBC.

Then again, we ARE talking about Vince McMahon, here.

Andrew 'Test' Martin found dead at age 33 in his condo.

Andrew 'Test' Martin found dead at age 33 in his condo.

"Natural causes", I'm sure.

Apparently the guy had a myspace page. Here's one of the comments:


D U C A T I





Mar 14 2009 6:58 PM

RIP bro. was a fan of you for a while. i won't forget you.
crazy physique!

I know I sound like a dick for saying this, but I couldn't stop laughing after reading that one.

Gotta love it when people comment on a deceased person's myspace page, as if they're talking to the person and they're going to see what they wrote.

Well, I have stopped caring about the wrestlers that die young. They took the drugs and have to pay the consequences.

It will be fucking insane if we are sitting here 20 years from now and reading about someone like MVP dying before he's 50 because of drugs.

People say that can't happen because of the Wellness Policy and all that shit but Harry (D.H) Smith failed a test for roids and he should certainly know better.

His father (Davey Boy Smith) died young
His father's tag team partner (Dynamite Kid) ended up in a wheelchair (he took too many pain killers to keep wrestling while hurt)
He's fucking related to the Hart Family

If that dude does end up dying young he's the biggest moron on the planet.

Denny: I agree Saturday Night is the worst night for a show to air, but if NBC was willing to give Vince that timeslot weekly you can bet your left nut WWE would take it.

For whatever reason NBC are not willing to do that.

If the economy keep plowing into the ground, it wouldn't be a bad investment.

I'm sure it's got something to do with Vince McMahon and his monster ego. Never understood why Raw bolted from USANetwork for several years (here in the U.S.), but I'm sure McMahon was being unreasonable re: contract re-negotiations.

Something tells me he'd rather stick to a fledging network and be the big cheese, rather than be just another show.