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Good to know she'll be right on top of the news for us.
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McCain likes Boobs
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She's anti-abortion. That's the only qualification that matters.

Here she is showing her support for the bridge to nowhere.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/09/03/fh000020.jpg

for the other hockey moms and dads to read in checkout line (edit: Michelle Malkin must have pulled the picture)
http://breaktheterror.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cover2xc3.jpg?w=300&h=408

unintended irony

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/images/2008/09/03/palindeathrace1.jpg

So after she tells Hillary to stop whining for complaining about sexist media, McCain's camp has this to say:


As conservatives closed ranks behind their like-minded foe of abortion, Schmidt accused the media of essentially being sexist.

“This vetting controversy is a faux media scandal designed to destroy the first female Republican nominee for vice president of the United States who has never been a part of the old boys’ network that has come to dominate the news establishment of this country,” his statement said.

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If that's real I now want to have sex with her.

Photoshopped -- the face comes from a photo I posted eariler.
I was still amused by it, though.

I figured...

Way to ruin my dreams.

http://www.236.com/blog/w/lee_camp/mccains_voice_mail_to_palin_le_8644.php

So after she tells Hillary to stop whining for complaining about sexist media, McCain's camp has this to say:

My impression is that the print media is pushing all the other stories of corruption and religiousity. The mccain camp seems to be intentionally deflecting attention to the teenage pregnancy sepcifically, which I really don't care much about. I have never seen a compaign complain so much about press inquiries (not published stories, just questions). I suppose the mccain camp is pissed about the scrutiny after the free ride bushco got for the last 8 years.




In an extraordinary and emotional interview, Steve Schmidt said his campaign feels "under siege" by wave after wave of news inquiries that have questioned whether Palin is really the mother of a 4-month-old baby, whether her amniotic fluid had been tested and whether she would submit to a DNA test to establish the child's parentage.

Arguing that the media queries are being fueled by "every rumor and smear" posted on left-wing Web sites, Schmidt said mainstream journalists are giving "closer scrutiny" to McCain's little-known running mate than to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

The McCain camp has been unusually aggressive in pushing back against the media, and it seems to hope to persuade journalists to back off in their scrutiny of Palin. Obama campaign officials have complained to news organizations that their man has been subjected to considerably more investigative reporting than McCain has, but they have done so in more low-key fashion.

Get that boy a haircut, it's time to meet Uncle Johnny on CNN
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edit: before picture

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http://www.236.com/blog/w/lee_camp/mccains_voice_mail_to_palin_le_8644.php

Haha. That was pretty funny.

When Sarah Palin was announced as John McCain's Vice Presidential pick, I found it a little disturbing that she told the public that her oldest son, Track, would be deploying to Iraq on September 11. Generally, disclosing the date of deployment is against Operational Security (OPSEC) and illegal.
Calling around to a couple of Public Affairs Officers (PAO) who would be handling the flow of information about Track and his unit, VoteVets.org found out that, first, Track is not deploying on September 11. He may be part of a deployment ceremony that day, before going to Kuwait, though one Public Affairs Officer said that any details of the upcoming ceremony hadn't been made public yet by the military.
Governor Palin may have spilled the beans on that one, while showing she doesn't know the difference between a soldier deploying to Iraq vs. one preparing to deploy to Iraq. And while not illegal, if she really did believe that's when he's deploying to Iraq, then she didn't know enough to keep quiet about that to keep from violating OPSEC -- something a potential Commander in Chief should know.
But, more disturbing, and definitely in violation of security, are an explosion of stories that say specifically where in Iraq Track is deploying to, which have been dutifully eaten up by right wing websites, and reprinted. I will not reprint it here, because I would only be compounding the issue. But, unfortunately, it is very easy to find on the web at this point.
It is simply impossible that any reporter could figure this out on their own. Just by knowing Track's name and the date he is heading to Kuwait, one could not figure out specifically where Track and his company would be going in Iraq. There's a reason it's impossible to figure that out -- because the military doesn't want that information out there. It only serves to aid the enemy to know where are troops are moving.
Did the Pentagon release that information to the press?
No, according to another PAO that VoteVets.org talked with. In fact, this PAO said, the military was actively trying to quash this story, and keep reporters from repeating all these details, because it was a clear OPSEC violation. The PAO was adamant that the military has no idea how these details got out there and doesn't want them out there.
So where is this information coming from, if not the military? Certainly not the Obama campaign, which would not gain anything by promoting Track's service. The only people who I can think of would be those in the McCain-Palin campaign.
If the McCain-Palin campaign has disclosed details about Track's company's movements to gain stories in the press about it, they will have put many American lives in danger -- not the least of which would be Track's.
Senator McCain and Governor Palin need to immediately find out if someone in the campaign violated OPSEC by giving a reporter these details, and if they did, the campaign needs to find out where the source got this information from. Whoever that is, is in it deep.

She's a woman what would you expect?


~waiting for a feminist lurker to rise up and go off on me~

If any of you guys have ever seen "Election", I think you'll agree that Olbermann's "Tracy Flick" reference is pretty solid.

http://www.eastmanhouse.org/inc/programs_events/Witherspoon175x139.jpg

Hillary's a lot more like Flick than Palin.
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That's obviously sexist.

Good interview with Biden at the bottom:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/dems-react-to-palin-speec_n_123858.html

I just heard a very funny point. The only thing she said she'd fight for is special needs kids because she knows what it's like to have one.

The question was asked, does she have to be a victim of something to care about it?

She has to starve before helping the homeless?
She has to be poor to address the economy?
She has to lose health insurance to fix health care?

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003845449

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LMAO

Can someone direct me to the correct thread for making fun of McCain's mother and her plastic surgery?

How many 95 year olds have ZERO wrinkles on their cheeks?

Mom/Cindy must have gotten the "family rate".

http://capitalcityweekly.com/images/021407/10103_512.jpg

"So THIS is where they take all the baby eskimoes to die, ay?"

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/4579/wasilla-lobbyist-is-also-%e2%80%98bridge-to-nowhere%e2%80%99-lobbyist

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5734511&page=1

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/here-we-go.html

Palin is blocking the investigation into troopergate now:


In July, when legislators started talking about conducting an investigation, Palin denied any wrongdoing and said she welcomed an investigation.
"Hold me accountable," she said.

The Legislature took her up on that offer. But this week, she basically told the Legislature, "Never mind."

Palin's lawyer has asked the Legislature to drop its investigation. He had the governor file an ethics complaint against herself, in a bid to turn the entire matter over to the state Personnel Board, which would hire an independent investigator.

This is not an open and transparent attempt to establish Gov. Palin's accountability. It is an attempt to drag out the investigation until after voters decide the fate of her vice-presidential bid.

Instead, Gov. Palin should honor her pledge to cooperate with the Legislature's investigation, conducted by former state prosecutor Steve Branchflower.

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When this investigation into Troopergate started, Gov. Palin's response was refreshingly open. Since she became the Republican candidate for vice president, her approach has changed for the worse. America deserves the same openness and ethics from vice-presidential candidate Palin that she promised to Alaska voters in 2006.

Full Article here (http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/516641.html)

Isn't this the most marvelous running mate in the history of this nation?



one speech (not even written by her) = best vp in history

or does marvelous mean something other than effective/competent/etc. who is the messiah now? are people this fucking dumb?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_palin

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one speech (not even written by her) = best vp in history

or does marvelous mean something other than effective/competent/etc. who is the messiah now? are people this fucking dumb?



I think it's not about the speech's content, but the way it was delivered that made her so popular...she's probably the most down to earth politican to ever be on a ticket, as far as being a women who's clearly a mother first and a governor second.

Add that to her physical attractive-ness and gender, and your bound to over-excite the general public.

did joe biden even give a speech?

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I think it's not about the speech's content, but the way it was delivered that made her so popular...she's probably the most down to earth politican to ever be on a ticket, as far as being a women who's clearly a mother first and a governor second.

Add that to her physical attractive-ness and gender, and your bound to over-excite the general public.

did joe biden even give a speech?

Wil, your infatuation for Palin completely mirrors the hypocrisy of the Republican Party.

My father's wife is a born-again, and (naturally) a Fox News devotee. All I heard a couple of weekends ago when I visited was how "Obama is a wildcard". How "he has no experience". Heck, even your Chance av mimicks this sentiment. Many Repubs believe strongly that Obama will make rookie mistakes that could cost us dearly as a nation.

But, what about Palin? I must not remind you that the Veep post is a heartattack away from the most powerful position on Earth. I was listening to some GOP bigwig during the convention speak of her lack of Washington expertise like this: "She'll learn on the job. She'll get a crash course on the Presidency. She'll learn fast." Of couse, if a crash "cart" is involved, she'll have zero time to learn whatsoever.

Please know this: I do not have a problem with Sarah Palin. Most politicians have a corrupt side. It's simply human nature, owning that kind of power, to abuse it from time to time. What she did (or might have done) in Alaska is no different than Biden giving kickbacks, Obama and that slumlord, or McCain suddenly becoming "Mr. GOP Rah Rah" after countless years of being just the opposite. But, unlike Obama, she has ZERO necessary experience. Alaska is NOT Texas, Cadifahnia, Floriduh, or Illinois. It's problems do not reflect the average problems of this nation. Were one can gauge the presidential qualities of, say, Arnold, it would be impossible to do the same with the gov of Alaska. It's barely even a state, in comparitive terms, so different than any other of the 49 sectors that it simply should be considered "wilderness with borders".

And with all of this in mind, she would be a tragedy away from ultimate responsibility.

Each day I ponder the thought, the more resounding becomes my conclusion. You know it, Tahoe knows it, we all know it: Sarah Palin is simply a counter to a black man running on the blue side. If McCain chose a white old-guard running-mate, he'd fall squarely in the crosshairs of Obama's Change strategy. He needed somebody different. Problem is, he chose TOO different.And he chose hastily, without proper checking. This woman's history appears to be a ticking timebomb, as each new piece of garbage about her is COMPLETELY NEW to everybody, unlike Biden, whose dirty laundry is old news to the Washington know-it-alls.

This choice McCain made is one of two things: a) he made this choice on his own, or b) the powers that be made it for him. If "a", his choice was poor, and reflects his inability to be President. If b), then he will be no different than Bush, who allowed others to make choices for him as well.

There is truth in the concept that there is no Presidency 101 course. Either you have the qualities, or you don't. Many Vice Presidents have turned to become fine Presidents. Others, not so good. Governors of major states the same. There is no fool-proof formula as to who will fit and who will not. But I can say this: Here is a woman who listened in on a phone conversation between a state trooper and her sister, then, instead of confronting him with courage, allegedly decided to use her powers and try to get him fired in an indirect, cowardly manner. Forget that she's a woman for a moment, since it's not getting any easier upstairs. Does she have the strength to lead a nation? Does she have the courage to make the difficult decisions? Based on her tenure as both Mayor and Governor of a wildlife preserve, I would have to say no.

Feel free to respond, Wil. I'd love to hear what you have to say.

Tahoe, keep you mouth (fingers) shut.

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I think it's not about the speech's content, but the way it was delivered that made her so popular...she's probably the most down to earth politican to ever be on a ticket, as far as being a women who's clearly a mother first and a governor second.

Add that to her physical attractive-ness and gender, and your bound to over-excite the general public.

did joe biden even give a speech?


She excited the hardcore conservative base and maybe motivated a few who might've stayed home for the election. The general public... not so much.

Vetting done by Alaska Democrats circa 2006:

http://mudflats.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/palin-2006-vetting.pdf

For all the celebrity hoopla that is surrounding Palin, Biden's still got higher "favorables" and lower "unfavorables".

Source: go look it up

The general public... not so much.

Maybe your oblivious to it, or maybe your just trying to convince yourself otherwise, but I think she most certainly has.

Her speech drew higher ratings than Obama & McCain's, and her approval ratings make both candidates look lousy. Not to mention, her speech was easily the best out of the entire pool of speakers from both conventions.

In a sense, I think the general public has gotten too interested in Sarah Palin. Nobody ever talks about Joe Biden, except for how much of an un-interesting vp pick he was.

Couple that with Oprah not wanting Palin on her show (because she knows her viewing audience is 85% women, and she's a left-winger) and also Obama asking Hillary for campaign help (not hard to figure out why). I mean, seriously, how much more evidence do you want that she's not creating a big time stir amongst both parties?

I imagine things will eventually cool off, until the VP debates, but in the present moment, she's even more popular than Obama (and has a more impressive resume' too).

Who knows what it will translate into come voting time. Nobody can say either way, but it's clear who has the momentum right now.

Go ahead, deny it...

Maybe your oblivious to it, or maybe your just trying to convince yourself otherwise, but I think she most certainly has.

Her speech drew higher ratings than Obama & McCain's, and her approval ratings make both candidates look lousy. Not to mention, her speech was easily the best out of the entire pool of speakers from both conventions.

In a sense, I think the general public has gotten too interested in Sarah Palin. Nobody ever talks about Joe Biden, except for how much of an un-interesting vp pick he was.

Couple that with Oprah not wanting Palin on her show (because she knows her viewing audience is 85% women, and she's a left-winger) and also Obama asking Hillary for campaign help (not hard to figure out why). I mean, seriously, how much more evidence do you want that she's not creating a big time stir amongst both parties?

I imagine things will eventually cool off, until the VP debates, but in the present moment, she's even more popular than Obama (and has a more impressive resume' too).

Who knows what it will translate into come voting time. Nobody can say either way, but it's clear who has the momentum right now.

Go ahead, deny it...


i'll deny it. The rantings of the desperate.

Citing the TV ratings as a measure of her popularity and even worse, how many votes she'll draw, is seriously flawed thinking.

How many people that want to see her fail weren't watching?

Wil didn't respond to Denny?

Wil didn't respond to Denny?

When one cannot directly respond, it's usually because they're attempting to construct a viable cover story. The truth is right there in front of you, and does not require delay.

Obama got Bill O'Reilly his second highest ratings ever. Does that mean they're lall gonna vote for Obama? :)

If you factor in PBS viewers, it appears to be a dead heat. I watched what I did on PBS, just because the network talking heads don't talk as much on there.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/05/mccain-tops-obama-in-speeches-tv-ratings/

I wasn't implying ratings meant everything, what I meant was they are a legitimate sample to show how interested americans are in hearing what she has to say.

It doesn't matter whether the critics are speaking about her positvely or negatively, the fact is, they are talking about her. They are devouting their attention, and opinions to Sarah Palin, a VP candidate. She's become appealing to everybody.

I don't know how that's hard to understand...

Dems have gotten to know everything about Sarah Palin, meanwhile, no Republicans know anything about Joe Biden.

It doesn't matter whether the critics are speaking about her positvely or negatively, the fact is, they are talking about her. They are devouting their attention, and opinions to Sarah Palin, a VP candidate. She's become appealing to everybody.

I don't know how that's hard to understand...



Because it's entirely untrue? Becoming appealing? She seems to be rallying both bases, which is good for the Licks, but she's not moving the middle.

Does she have the strength to lead a nation?


Her record of accomplishment as a governor exceeds, by far, the governing accomplishments of Sen. Obama. So if she doesn't, than the only person who 'fits the bill' (at least on your scale) to be on the ticket is John McCain.



Does she have the courage to make the difficult decisions? Based on her tenure as both Mayor and Governor of a wildlife preserve, I would have to say no.

Seriously, I don't know how you came to the conclusion that she doesn't have the courage (an unmeasurable quality) to make difficult decisions.
Sounds more like a biased opinion, than a statement of fact.

One (alleged) indiscretion isn't enough to suggest whether she can (or can't) lead the country.

I remember how well this played out with Ferraro, a light-on-experience scandal-ridden woman picked as VP nominee for opportunistic effect. The first couple weeks were amazing for Mondale...

but she's not moving the middle.


Which is soley your opinion, because you don't want it to happen or perhaps your too stubborn to admit that if ever there was a VP candidate capable of doing so, it would be Sarah Palin (which I wouldn't expect you to admit, if that we're the case).

There's never been a VP candidate who can threaten to persuade the middle like Sarah Palin (Ferraro was never going to come even close running with a tool like Mondale). So while I couldn't tell you either way if she will or won't move the middle, it's the first time ever that you (or me, or anybody) wouldn't doubt that she maybe could.

And for the first time that I can recall, some outlets like her chances at doing so.

I remember how well this played out with Ferraro, a light-on-experience scandal-ridden woman picked as VP nominee for opportunistic effect. The first couple weeks were amazing for Mondale...


Comparing Ferraro and Palin isn't even worth going into. America would still be in a depression had Mondale won. So Ferraro, really, wasn't ever going to persuade anyone, not even her own party.

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Even something so stupid, such as Oprah not wanting her on her show until after the election. I mean seriously, even for the average, voting, college student moron like me, something that insignificant tells me all I need to know about how genuinely impactful of a VP candidate Sarah Palin is, and how big of a threat she can be towards any party.

Nobody can say the same about Joe Biden, who's just some liberal old fart who got less votes running for president, than Palin got running for Mayor of Wassilla, Alaska.

Comparing Ferraro and Palin isn't even worth going into. America would still be in a depression had Mondale won. So Ferraro, really, wasn't ever going to persuade anyone, not even her own party.

Ferraro gave the party a huge bounce, and made the Dems think they could compete against Reagan. Her speech was the highlight, not Mondale's (who had a bigger talent for putting people to sleep than even McCain does). Gallup had Mondale-Ferraro ahead of Reagan-Bush 48-46. All was great for two weeks or so. Then it started sinking in... Mondale was still Mondale, and Ferraro had lots of problems.

Even something so stupid, such as Oprah not wanting her on her show until after the election. I mean seriously, even for the average, voting, college student moron like me, something that insignificant tells me all I need to know about how genuinely impactful of a VP candidate Sarah Palin is, and how big of a threat she can be towards any party.
Are you sure about that? Keep in mind that Oprah doesn't have any candidates on her show, and hasn't for quite awhile. If she did, don't you think Obama would be on every week? Give it a little critical thinking. Here's what Oprah herself has to say on this:

http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/05/oprah-to-palin-i-can-pencil-you-in-later/


Nobody can say the same about Joe Biden, who's just some liberal old fart who got less votes running for president, than Palin got running for Mayor of Wassilla, Alaska.
That's a thoroughly debunked talking point.

Biden got more votes in the 2008 primary for president than Palin did in her 2006 primary for governor, and virtually all those votes came after he had formally suspended his campaign.

Which is soley your opinion,

No, it's the wealth of polling. Her favorables, will you support the presidential candidate more or less, and "does she add to the ticket" are right on Biden's with undecideds. She has categories she helps and others she hurts.

ABC 5/5-

"The poll found that Obama benefited more from his selection of Biden than McCain did by picking Palin. While 25 percent said they were more likely to vote for McCain because he picked Palin, 19 percent said they were less likely to support his candidacy. A majority, 55 percent, said the choice won't affect their vote.

By contrast, 22 percent of voters said Biden's selection for the Democratic ticket made them more likely to vote for Obama, while just 10 percent said they were less likely to support the Illinois senator's presidential candidacy. Again, a majority -- 67 percent -- said the choice won't matter in their vote."

Are you sure about that? Keep in mind that Oprah doesn't have any candidates on her show, and hasn't for quite awhile. If she did, don't you think Obama would be on every week?

Articles are going to be spun in ways to keep Oprah's real reasons behind why from getting out, when in reality it's quite easy to know why. Her show is aimed at female viewers, middle-class women who are home makers and mothers, which oh my God, Sarah Palin happens to be.

Her television audience would be far more interested in seeing Palin on her show, than Obama anyway.

Can't blame Oprah really, it's just unfortunate for her that information got out to the public.



That's a thoroughly debunked talking point.

No it's not, it's actually a fact. I didn't say governor votes, I'm talking her mayor votes, when just the people of Wasilla could vote...

Her record of accomplishment as a governor exceeds, by far, the governing accomplishments of Sen. Obama. .
Cool, such as?

No it's not, it's actually a fact. I didn't say governor votes, I'm talking her mayor votes, when just the people of Wasilla could vote...

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Mike Huckabee made the claim that Palin got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States.

For the record, Joe Biden got 79,754 total votes in the Democratic primaries.

As of the 2000 census, the population of Wasilla was 5,469. It has been reported at currently more than 9,000.

That would mean, conservatively, the entire town of Wasilla would have had to have had a 100% turnout for nine years at 9,000 to top Biden's primary numbers.




Dear Wil.

We don't blame you. It's obvious that someone, somewhere is making you stupid. Here is a tool you can use to keep from getting even dumber:

google.com

You're welcome,
Concerned WTFDetroit posters.

Is it bad that I think Conservatives would defend a raccoon if McCain put it on the ticket?

Sarah Palin runs Alaska, no disrespect but that's not an area even close to any other american state. One could say it's a territory posing as a state. I mean if Obama was governor of Hawaii how many would see that as legit experience? I dont get how you defend that. In fact no Republican out there defended the notion before she became VP candidate. Alaska? Really? That's experience?

Articles are going to be spun in ways to keep Oprah's real reasons behind why from getting out, when in reality it's quite easy to know why. Her show is aimed at female viewers, middle-class women who are home makers and mothers, which oh my God, Sarah Palin happens to be.

Her television audience would be far more interested in seeing Palin on her show, than Obama anyway.

Can't blame Oprah really, it's just unfortunate for her that information got out to the public.
And you explain Hillary not being on Oprah because...?

Oprah made it a point of not having current presidential candidates come on her show since she had on Bush and Gore. Even with her support of Obama, he's never appeared on her show since he was an active candidate. She has viewers in all 50 states.

Pulling stuff out of one's ass is a common tactic in politics. The Oprah rumors sound like they're in that category.

And you explain Hillary not being on Oprah because...?

Oprah made it a point of not having current presidential candidates come on her show since she had on Bush and Gore..


She made that point after the fact. She had to cover up her bias somehow, so her publicist gave her that ignorant excuse.

And besides, Palin isn't a presidential candidate.

Is it bad that I think Conservatives would defend a raccoon if McCain put it on the ticket?

Sarah Palin runs Alaska, no disrespect but that's not an area even close to any other american state. One could say it's a territory posing as a state. I mean if Obama was governor of Hawaii how many would see that as legit experience? I dont get how you defend that. In fact no Republican out there defended the notion before she became VP candidate. Alaska? Really? That's experience?


You disregard the state of Alaska because your trying to convince yourself she's a novice.

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Mike Huckabee made the claim that Palin got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States.

For the record, Joe Biden got 79,754 total votes in the Democratic primaries.



Either way, he was totally scorned by the American people as a nominee in the primaries...

What the hell made anybody think he'd be a perfect fit for VP?

You disregard the state of Alaska because your trying to convince yourself she's a novice.
Funny. He didn't answer your question, and only briefly touched my legnthy post.

Sorry, Wil. I'm going to have to disregard everything you say, for you have proven absolutely nothing, and had plenty of time to do so. All you do is offer more eloquent ways of saying "well... fuck you, too" over and over and over. For the past several pages, I can't find one post of yours with any substance, whatsoever.

Obviously, you're a fraud and have learned nothing.

Either way, he was totally scorned by the American people as a nominee in the primaries...

What the hell made anybody think he'd be a perfect fit for VP?

Obama already thinks he has this wrapped up, so he picked the most qualified guy?

"Putting the country's well-being ahead of just trying to win an election" also somes to mind.

She made that point after the fact.
She also made that point when she endorsed Obama many months ago, when asked if her endorsement meant that Obama would be on Oprah all the time.


And besides, Palin isn't a presidential candidate.
Good catch - call it "presidential ticket", then. AFAICT, she's tried to keep her show at arm's length from active presidential campaigning. Her ratings took a dip that some attributed to her being too political (but it's kinda hard to say -- daytime broadcast TV as a whole is taking big hits). I'm having a hard time believing she'd want or need to ride that political train again. Palin will get huge ratings no matter when she's scheduled, so why rush into it? Oprah's going for the instant reality stars who have shorter shelf lives -- Olympic medalists.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/05/plane_not_sold_on_ebay.html

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You disregard the state of Alaska because your trying to convince yourself she's a novice.
Yes and I liked Heath Ledger's work in Batman because he's dead right? You have a retarded habit of telling people why they say something to you to suit your own convenience in life. I'm seeing Alaska ass it is. A territory posing as a State. Not to mention There's more people in Detroit than in Alaska. Governing a State of 600,000 people thousands of miles from the mainland part of the country(closer to Russia) its equal experience no matter what bullshit you choose to believe..

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Wil says this isn't funny I guess. :(

I wasn't implying ratings meant everything, what I meant was they are a legitimate sample to show how interested americans are in hearing what she has to say.

It doesn't matter whether the critics are speaking about her positvely or negatively, the fact is, they are talking about her. They are devouting their attention, and opinions to Sarah Palin, a VP candidate. She's become appealing to everybody.

I don't know how that's hard to understand...

Dems have gotten to know everything about Sarah Palin, meanwhile, no Republicans know anything about Joe Biden.

It's the way that you are taking positive attention and negative attention, adding them together and calling it "appealing to everybody" that is hard to understand.

She's news because she's fresh meat. Biden's pros and cons are well known from previous national campaigns.

The Palin buzz is novelty for the 24-hour news cycle, not "Gosh, Ima go out and vote for McCain because I just love this gal" sentiment outside of conservative republicans who were only choosing between staying home and voting McCain in the first place.

Yes and I liked Heath Ledger's work in Batman because he's dead right? You have a retarded habit of telling people why they say something to you to suit your own convenience in life. I'm seeing Alaska ass it is. A territory posing as a State. Not to mention There's more people in Detroit than in Alaska. Governing a State of 600,000 people thousands of miles from the mainland part of the country(closer to Russia) its equal experience no matter what bullshit you choose to believe..

Not only is Alaska tiny but its economics are extremely distorted as it floats on a sea of oil money.

Yes and I liked Heath Ledger's work in Batman because he's dead right?

Four weeks later...LOL!

Remember when Obama was getting run through the ringer every day and conservitives were complaining that he got all the attention? Here's your attention.

Four weeks later...LOL!
Yes, its funny. Not to you of course because you've lost any realistic sense of humor in your LOL@ Biden thread. :(

Yes, its funny. Not to you of course because you've lost any realistic sense of humor in your LOL@ Biden thread. :(


If you thought my LOL@Biden thread was stupid, then what makes you assume that republicans (to which this thread is meant to irk) think the LOL@Palin thread (which you created) would be "funny"?

I think it's because you know that other than Tahoe & myself, there's pretty much no other right-wingers who post in forum, so the majority here isn't really going to disagree with you.

So, who are you trying to convince Palin is "funny"?

I wasn't looking for humor points with the Biden thread. So don't be a hypocrite Codename, I had the same motive that you did.

If you thought my LOL@Biden thread was stupid, then what makes you assume that republicans (to which this thread is meant to irk) think the LOL@Palin thread (which you created) would be "funny"?
you're missing the point boy wonder. I'm not saying the idea isn't funny, I'm saying the execution is horrible. And it was. Sorry you are overlooking this.


I think it's because you know that other than Tahoe & myself, there's pretty much no other right-wingers who post in forum, so the majority here isn't really going to disagree with you.
No, i think its because your thread's effort sucked, try harder I guess. And stop over thinking shit like theres a grand scheme in a post.


So, who are you trying to convince Palin is "funny"?
No one(I dont even think she's a great comedian), and I dont need to try to convince anyone that she's a great target for jokes. That's self evident.


I wasn't looking for humor points with the Biden thread.
And you wont get them damnit. If you were looking to be serious and make a serious statement, no one cares if you dont make the first part funny. Thus its an "LOL@" Thread.


So don't be a hypocrite Codename, I had the same motive that you did
There you go believing you know peoples thoughts. My motive was to make fun of a pretty hot(two meanings depending on your milf factor) joke target. Your agenda doesn't SEEM to be the same. In fact I guess by your own account it isn't. You don't even want humor points.

I can't and don't want to figure what crawled up your tight ass Wil as of late. But maybe you need to partake in alcohol or sedatives to relax and not be so damn sensitive.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/palin-media-a-2.html?cid=129522778#comment-129522778

Rick Davis, campaign manager for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., just told Fox News Channel's Chris Wallace that McCain running mate Gov. Sarah Palin won't subject herself to any tough questions from reporters "until the point in time when she'll be treated with respect and deference."

McCain likes Boobs
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I think the Boobs speak for my agenda. So are willing to hump Biden as I am Palin? Is that the agenda?

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/sep/06/palins-church-you-can-pray-away-gay/

ANCHORAGE — Gov. Sarah Palin’s church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

“You’ll be encouraged by the power of God’s love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality,” according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has worshipped for about six years.

The now-famous Anne Kilkenny letter:


A note to all by Anne Kilkenny


Dear friends,

So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the
last 2 days that I decided to write something up . . .

Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in
common: their gender and their good looks.

You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts
with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on
any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .

Thanks,
Anne

ABOUT SARAH PALIN
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.
Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a
first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her
father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a
first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more
City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the
residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular
girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and
won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because
she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She
kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents
for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby.
There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out
there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a
champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly
sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his
work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or
so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their
major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything
like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000
(at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about
670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running
this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been
pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had
gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had
given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6
years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the
City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it
with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece
of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was
still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers
involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the
community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it
would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that
could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus
in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will
make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she
proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she
recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while
she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's
surplus, borrow for needs.

She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas
or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by
her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the
basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected
City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from
the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents
rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's
attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew
her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the
Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club” when she first ran for
Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin
fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as
Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people,
creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally
grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power
to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the
case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated”
her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top
cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure
and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that
an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't
fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation
for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen
contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she
later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to
replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded
for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew
her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in
help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town
introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council
became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She
abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t
like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything
publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got
the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one
of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no
background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great
job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the
high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the
structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this
Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party)
engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some
undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all
her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and
garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a
gutsy fighter against the “old boys’ club” when she dramatically quit,
exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from
Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel
politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to
nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget
guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing
projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative
action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply
because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant
she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party
leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated
them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a
fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah.
They call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and
predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly
stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made
point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's
mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and
experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package
of legislation known as “AGIA” that forced the oil companies to march
to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to
global warming. She campaigned “as a private citizen” against a state
initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from
pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the
state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s
lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar
bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a
heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more
knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there’s a lot of people who have underestimated her and are
regretting it.


CLAIM VS FACT
•“Hockey mom”: true for a few years
•“PTA mom”: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary
school, not since
•“NRA supporter”: absolutely true
•social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill
that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships
(said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
•pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to
promote it.
•“Pro-life”: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby
BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life
legislation
•“Experienced”: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has
residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska.
No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on
supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city
administrator to run town of about 5,000.
•political maverick: not at all
•gutsy: absolutely!
•open & transparent: Good at keeping secrets. Not good at
explaining actions.
•has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
•”a Greenie”: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores
and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
•fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
•pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city
without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built
streets to early 20th century standards.
•pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on
residents
•pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city
government in Wasilla’s history.
•pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union
doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim
that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?
First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed
voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting
programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny +
Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local
government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen
when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because
few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out
of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no
fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will
cost me somehow in the future: that’s life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100
or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's
attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to
say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS
I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in
spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor)
from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of
Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust
for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible
for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are
swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the
population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The
day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the
current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was
5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to
2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s.

Anne Kilkenny
August 31, 2008

Here's the story of what has happened to Anne Kilkenny since she wrote that:
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1117551

Good thing that Mr Economy expert has some good help:


Gov. Sarah Palin made her first potentially major gaffe during her time on the national scene while discussing the developments of the perilous housing market this past weekend.
Speaking before voters in Colorado Springs, the Republican vice presidential nominee claimed that lending giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, as McClatchy reported (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/51940.html), "aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization."
Economists and analysts pounced on the misstatement, saying it demonstrated a lack of understanding about one of the key economic issues likely to face the next administration.
"You would like to think that someone who is going to be vice president and conceivable president would know what Fannie and Freddie do," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "These are huge institutions and they are absolutely central to our country's mortgage debt. To not have a clue what they do doesn't speak well for her, I'd say."
Added Andrew Jakabovics, an economic analysts for the progressive think tank, Center for American Progress: "It is somewhat nonsensical because up until yesterday there was sort of no public funding there. Even today they haven't drawn down any of the credit line they have given to Treasury. 'Gotten too big and too expensive' are two separate things. The too big has been a conservative mantra for a while and there is something to be said of that in that they hold about half of the mortgage guarantees that are out there. And in the last year they have been responsible for roughly 80 percent out there. The 'too expensive to tax payers,' I don't know where that comes from."
Even conservative analysts acknowledged that the statement simply did not hold true.
"Heretofore, if the treasury had a balance sheet there would have been a liability but there was never a taxpayer payment before [the bailout]," said Gerald P. O'Driscoll, an economist with the Cato Institute. "[Fannie and Freddie] were not taxpayer funded. They had taxpayer guarantee, which is worth something, especially in the stock market..."
The Palin misstatement comes as Fannie and Freddie are set to be placed under control of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, created by President Bush in late July to help regulate the two housing giants. Both presidential candidates (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ayx1bu.ANjrs&refer=home) have been critical of Fannie and Freddie but neither is opposed to the government's plans for the companies. The treasury is hoping that the government's role will help stabilize credit markets and incentive more mortgage lending.
"With the takeover they will be taxpayer funded," said O'Driscoll. "As I understand it they get to withdraw funds with permission going forward."
How politically significant a "gaffe" it is remains to be seen. The major concern about Palin's position on the ticket is that she lacks the economic and foreign policy wherewithal to serve as vice president. This certainly doesn't help on that front. At the same time, the remark went almost entirely unnoticed over the weekend and discussions on the developments of the housing market can be difficult to process for even the most attuned voter.
There are varying explanations that could be offered for Palin's defense. As O'Driscoll noted, both Fannie and Freddie "were hybrid institutions because they had private ownership but... an implicit government guarantee which people thought at the end of the day was explicit." Meanwhile, as Baker noted, as of July the two lenders were being offered low market interest rates by the fed again, theoretically, at the taxpayer's expense. But, he added, "I kind of doubt she had any sense of that."

^ Laff. "The government had to buy it out because it had gotten too expensive...to the government."

Fact Check: Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere
2 hrs 4 mins ago

WASHINGTON – A new ad from John McCain's presidential campaign contends his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." In fact, Palin was for the infamous bridge before she was against it

THE SPIN: Called "Original Mavericks," the ad asserts the Republican senator has fought pork-barrel spending, the drug industry and fellow Republicans, reforming Washington in the process, and credits Palin with similarly changing Alaska by taking on the oil industry, challenging her own party and ditching the bridge project that became a national symbol of wasteful spending.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton came back with fighting words. "Despite being discredited over and over again by numerous news organizations, the McCain campaign continues to repeat the lie that Sarah Palin stopped the Bridge to Nowhere," he said.

Burton said McCain would merely carry on supporting President Bush's economic, health, education, energy and foreign policies, and that means "anything but change."

THE FACTS: Palin did abandon plans to build the nearly $400 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. But she made her decision after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska, and after she had appeared to support the bridge during her campaign for governor.

McCain and Palin together have told a broader story about the bridge that is misleading. She is portrayed as a crusader for the thrifty use of tax dollars who turned down an offer from Washington to build an expensive bridge of little value to the state.

"I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere," she said in her convention speech last week.

That's not what she told Alaskans when she announced a year ago that she was ordering state transportation officials to ditch the project. Her explanation then was that it would be fruitless to try to persuade Congress to come up with the money.

"It's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Palin said then.

Palin indicated during her 2006 campaign for governor that she supported the bridge, but was wishy-washy about it. She told local officials that money appropriated for the bridge "should remain available for a link, an access process as we continue to evaluate the scope and just how best to just get this done."

She vowed to defend Southeast Alaska "when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative" — something that McCain was busy doing at the time, as a fierce critic of the bridge.

Even so, she called the bridge design "grandiose" during her campaign and said something more modest might be appropriate.

Palin's reputation for standing up to entrenched interests in Alaska is genuine. Her self-description as a leader who "championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress" is harder to square with the facts.

The governor has cut back on pork-barrel project requests, but in her two years in office, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. And as mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million.

I spent the last week in a Tax class taught by a very snarky MSU prof (may have been bukdow)......he ripped Palin for her comments on taxes saying it sounded like a freshman in one of his classes making things up....he also mentioned that Alaska has so much state revenue sharing that she can't take anything that she may have learned there and apply it to the rest of the country

you can't trust those damn libby professors

I spent the last week in a Tax class taught by a very snarky MSU prof (may have been bukdow)......he ripped Palin for her comments on taxes saying it sounded like a freshman in one of his classes making things up....
It's pretty laughable if you have a basic idea of how those institutions were intended to work.


he also mentioned that Alaska has so much state revenue sharing that she can't take anything that she may have learned there and apply it to the rest of the country
From a financial perspective, that's almost certainly the case. Being flush with cash means people don't notice things like, say, state-subsidized trips to her church: http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/518522.html

Gotta love that church...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/08/palin.pastor/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Which Animals Would Jesus Pay You to Shoot from Airplanes? And How Much?




In early 2007, Palin's administration approved an initiative to pay a $150 bounty to hunters who killed a wolf from an airplane in certain areas, hacked off the left foreleg, and brought in the appendage. Ruling that the Palin administration didn't have the authority to offer payments, a state judge quickly put a halt to them but not to the shooting of wolves from aircraft.

Gordon Haber is a wildlife scientist who has studied wolves in Alaska for 43 years. "On wildlife-related issues, whether it is polar bears or predator controls, she has shown no inclination to be objective," he says of Palin. "I cannot find credible scientific data to support their arguments," he adds about the state's rational for gunning down wolves. "In most cases, there is evidence to the contrary."

Last year, 172 scientists signed a letter to Palin, expressing concern about the lack of science behind the state's wolf-killing operation. According to the scientists, state officials set population objectives for moose and caribou based on "unattainable, unsustainable historically high populations." As a result, the "inadequately designed predator control programs" threatened the long-term health of both the ungulate and wolf populations. The scientists concluded with a plea to Palin to consider the conservation of wolves and bears "on an equal basis with the goal of producing more ungulates for hunters



The more I read about alaska the more i doubt that alaskan issues are in any way representative of the rest of the country. Imagine a world with no state income or sales tax + a big fat check from the state every year.

http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2008/09/08/sarah_palin_wolves/?source=newsletter

Not enough LOLing going on in this thread.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/dspiewak/political-pictures-sarah-palin-exec.jpg

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Sarah Palin's Alaskonomics

By MICHAEL KINSLEY
Tue Sep 9, 2:55 am ET

Sarah Palin thinks she is a better American than you because she comes from a small town, and a superior human being because she isn't a journalist and never lived in Washington and likes to watch her kids play hockey. Although Palin praised John McCain in her acceptance speech as a man who puts the good of his country ahead of partisan politics, McCain pretty much proved the opposite with his selection of a running mate whose main asset is her ability to reignite the culture wars. So maybe Governor Palin does represent everything that is good and fine about America, as she herself maintains. But spare us, please, any talk about how she is a tough fiscal conservative.

Palin has continued to repeat the already exposed lie that she said, "No, thanks," to the famous "bridge to nowhere" (McCain's favorite example of wasteful federal spending). In fact, she said, "Yes, please," until this project became a symbol and political albatross.

Back to reality. Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 21/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska's government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it. Although Palin, like McCain, talks about liberating ourselves from dependence on foreign oil, there is no evidence that being dependent on Alaskan oil would be any more pleasant to the pocketbook.

Alaska is, in essence, an adjunct member of OPEC. It has four different taxes on oil, which produce more than 89% of the state's unrestricted revenue. On average, three-quarters of the value of a barrel of oil is taken by the state government before that oil is permitted to leave the state. Alaska residents each get a yearly check for about $2,000 from oil revenues, plus an additional $1,200 pushed through by Palin last year to take advantage of rising oil prices. Any sympathy the governor of Alaska expresses for folks in the lower 48 who are suffering from high gas prices or can't afford to heat their homes is strictly crocodile tears.

As if it couldn't support itself, Alaska also ranks No. 1, year after year, in money it sucks in from Washington. In 2005 (the most recent figures), according to the Tax Foundation, Alaska ranked 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434) but first in federal spending received per resident ($13,950). Its ratio of federal spending received to federal taxes paid ranks third among the 50 states, and in the absolute amount it receives from Washington over and above the amount it sends to Washington, Alaska ranks No. 1.

Under the state constitution, the governor of Alaska has unusually strong powers to shape the state budget. At the Republican Convention, Palin bragged that she had vetoed "nearly $500 million" in state spending during her two years as governor. This amounts to less than 2% of the proposed budget. That's how much this warrior for you, the people, against it, the government, could find in wasteful spending under her control.

One thing Barack Obama and McCain disagree on is an oil windfall-profits tax. McCain is against it, on the theory that it is a tax and therefore bad and also on the theory that it would discourage domestic production. Obama is for it, on the theory that if oil companies can make a nice profit when oil sells for $50 per bbl., they can still make a nice profit when it sells at more than $100, even if the government takes a bit and spreads the money around to those who are hurting from higher oil prices.

Although Palin's words side with McCain in this dispute, her actions side with Obama. Her major legislative accomplishment has been to revamp Alaska's windfall-profits tax in order to increase the state's take. Alaska calls it a "clear and equitable share" tax. The state assumes that extracting oil from the tundra costs about $25 per bbl. and takes as much as 75% of the difference between that and the sale price.

Why is a windfall-profits tax good for Alaska but not for the U.S.? Well, it's obvious, isn't it? People in Alaska are better than people in the rest of the U.S. They're more American. Although there are small towns and farms and high school hockey teams in the lower 48, there are fewer down here, per capita, than in Alaska. And there are many more journalists and pollsters and city dwellers and other undesirables who might benefit if every American had the same right to leech off the government as do the good citizens of Sarah Palin's Alaska.

View this article on Time.com

A bit snarky, but on point.

The moose hunter has had a nice run hiding from the media (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/07/AR2008090702402.html) so far.


Since being named McCain's running mate, Palin has given only one interview, to People magazine, on the day she was introduced.

Restricting herself to lifestyle and entertainment interviews doesn't do much to challenge the notion that she's anything other than window dressing.


She was the only member of the major parties' presidential tickets not to appear on a network talk show yesterday. Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, said on "Fox News Sunday" that she would not put herself before a "cycle of piranhas called the news media" until reporters started to treat her "with some level of respect and deference."

She won't do interviews unless they agree to kiss her ass first.

I guess when you put lipstick on a pit bull it becomes a pussy. Hillary wouldn't have shied away from a cage match with the political press. Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.


That drew mild criticism from Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph R. Biden Jr., a veteran of the talk-show circuit. "Eventually, she's going to have to answer questions and not be sequestered," the senator said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Experience (not to mention intellect and thoughtful positions on issues of national and global importance), you can't fake it. LOL@Palin.

She's the lipstick on the pitbull.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0eqZ2K2xNU

Sarah, Duchess of Pork
http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq230/coumaris/palin-lipstick-2.jpg

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Oh, it appears that to shut up the leader of the Alaskan National Guard about Palin's lack of involvement, she gave him a promotion from "two-star general" to "three-star-but-only-in-Alaska general".

I like her friends. They are sticking with their convictions instead of just voting for a friend...Except for the one who said she didn't like McCain but now she'll vote for him with Palin on the ticket.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0910/p09s01-coop.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0910/p09s01-coop.html


That entire article is bs.

For one, it's already been proven that she did NOT in fact support the Bridge to Nowhere, even the Democrats who opposed her in Alaska on that issue have already said she was not in favor it.

And as for the the officer removal issue, Palin wanted the officer removed because he tasered a 10 yr old.

And there's also no truth to the "list of books" she wanted removed from the library, the "list" that was submitted as proof, had books that we're published after she left her position at Wasilla...


Dems and their stories...
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122090791901411709.html

For one, it's already been proven that she did NOT in fact support the Bridge to Nowhere, even the Democrats who opposed her in Alaska on that issue have already said she was not in favor it.



"I'm not going to stand in the way of progress that our congressional delegation and the position of strength that they have right now."


"In September, 2006, Palin showed up in Ketchikan on her gubernatorial campaign and said the bridge was essential for the town's prosperity."

That's what she said about the bridge (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/09/ltm.02.html) before it became a national embarassment and it certainly doesn't sound like "thanks but no thanks" to me.

That's what she said about the bridge (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/09/ltm.02.html) before it became a national embarassment and it certainly doesn't sound like "thanks but no thanks" to me.



"Governor Palin acted like a responsible and effective executive. After taking office and examining the project closely, she consistently opposed funding the 'Bridge to Nowhere' and ultimately canceled the wasteful project."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/31/AR2008083102017.html

She was in favor of it before seeing how much it would set them back...

Can't blame her for being fiscially responsible. Obama proclaming she's a liar is really making him look bad right now...

LOL@"you can put lipstick on a pig..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/31/AR2008083102017.html

She was in favor of it before seeing how much it would set them back...

Can't blame her for being fiscially responsible. Obama proclaming she's a liar is really making him look bad right now...
Making the correct call in the end doesn't erase the support the rest of the time. She knew were she stood on the issue all that time before changing her mind, or she shouldn't have said a damn thing about it if she didn't know.

Can't blame her for being fiscially responsible. Obama proclaming she's a liar is really making him look bad right now...

Most of the objective sources in your link point to her lying. Your quote in defense of Palin is from the mccain campaign, which is obviously not a neutral source. The WSJ (as repub as it gets) has called her claims out as outrageous. It basically says that she and mccain are lying about the bridge and lying about obama's earmark requests.



Record Contradicts Palin's 'Bridge' Claims
By ELIZABETH HOLMES and LAURA MECKLER
September 9, 2008

The Bridge to Nowhere argument isn't going much of anywhere.

Despite significant evidence to the contrary, the McCain campaign continues to assert that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told the federal government "thanks but no thanks" to the now-famous bridge to an island in her home state.

But Gov. Palin's claim comes with a serious caveat. She endorsed the multimillion dollar project during her gubernatorial race in 2006. And while she did take part in stopping the project after it became a national scandal, she did not return the federal money. She just allocated it elsewhere.

"We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge," Gov. Palin said in August 2006, according to the local newspaper, "and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative." The bridge would have linked Ketchikan to the airport on Gravina Island. Travelers from Ketchikan (pop. 7,500) now rely on ferries.

"You can't just make stuff up. You can't just recreate yourself. The American people aren't stupid," he said. It's like "being for it before you were against it," Sen. Obama said, a reference to a damaging statement John Kerry made in 2004.


The McCain campaign jumped back with spokesman Brian Rogers calling the attacks "hysterical." "The only people 'lying' about spending are the Obama campaign. The only explanation for their hysterical attacks is that they're afraid that when John McCain and Sarah Palin are in the White House, Barack Obama's nearly $1 billion in earmark spending will stop dead in its tracks," Mr. Rogers said.

At a rally today, Sen. McCain again asserted that Sen. Obama has requested nearly a billion in earmarks. In fact, the Illinois senator requested $311 million last year, according to the Associated Press, and none this year. In comparison, Gov. Palin has requested $750 million in her two years as governor -- which the AP says is the largest per-capita request in the nation.


http://online.wsj.com/article_print/SB122090791901411709.html

I'm guessing he won't read that for the second time.

Dems and their stories...
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The important LOL@Palin factor wasn't so much what the story, but who was reporting it. The Christian Science Monitor isn't a Democratic rag, and isn't in the business of sensationalist attacks. It is, in fact, one of the crowds Palin is supposed to appeal to. When they're on her case... heh...

Palin gets criticized by the family court judge for emotionally abusive behavior as part of Troopergate...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/158140

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He'll never work for Disney again.

More fuel to the neocon "Hollywood elite" fire.

He'll never work for Disney again.

Jason Bourne is above Disney, he doesn't need them.

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/loose_ends

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/1156080,091008ebertpalin.article

Palin's kid may have been involved with vandalism and might be going into the army as an alternative to time in the correctional system:

http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/09/1844077-an-ab-investigative-report-was-sarah-palins-son-involved-in-major-vandalism-on-school-buses-in-wasilla-?groupId=1102

And of course, the Enquirer says he's a druggie, as is the whole family, along with more dirt on Palin's alleged affair:

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/_palin_family_shockers_what_sarahs_really_hiding/celebrity/65407

That's a tougher choice then it once was.

I also heard this morning that two years ago, Palin refused to participate in the debates with the rest of the candidates for Governor of Alaska.

She tried to send her running mate (Lt. Gov.) instead, but was refused permission to do so.

Apparently, hiding from tough questions is a pattern.

^Hmm, if so I'd like to read/see more about that. Even if you think family should be left out of this thing, there are plenty of issues like that one that need to be fully addressed about her.

Well, I just read an article about one of the debates and she did, in fact, participate in that one, so I may have misheard or misunderstood what I heard on the radio about this.

LOL@Me

Maybe Mxy knows more about this, Google is letting me down.

I think family related issues should be off-limits. I think, so far, Obama has taken the high road of staying away from that. I, for one, could care less about anything her family does. All other information and gaffes she's made in the past is completely relevant.

Off-limits in the campaign, but not off-limits for LOL@Palin. :)

I've had many laughs about Presidential families, and it seems clear there'll be more no matter who wins.

I think families are fair game if they're being pimped. Chelsea and Bill were on the campaign trail for Hillary. They're both fair game.

C-Span was running stuff from her gubernatorial campaign last weekend. What I saw looked like a round-table debate with the incumbent.

Well, I just read an article about one of the debates and she did, in fact, participate in that one, so I may have misheard or misunderstood what I heard on the radio about this.

LOL@Me

Maybe Mxy knows more about this, Google is letting me down.
What she did in her debate(s?) was to let seasoned politicians beat themselves up. She didn't have to say a lot to win. She was effective, largely by coming across like a den mother schooling itinerant children.

I'm surprised her words haven't been used against her:
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I'm surprised her words haven't been used against her:
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She was for dynamic, charismatic change... before she was against it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080911/pl_bloomberg/alulrclkxig4;_ylt=AuNvogmwZ441yPWQsxf1dQRsnwcF

I'm surprised her words haven't been used against her:


They should be. Good call.

BTW, I like her patronizing the guy with her "nice homework" comment. Like it was a major find to get the polling numbers for a state.

Palin doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is.

Palin agrees with Obama but not McCain on attacking Pakistan if need be.

Palin talks in terms of possible war with Russia.

Fun fun fun...

Let's recycle the debunked 9/11-Iraq connection:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103789.html?hpid=topnews

Trying watching that again, and think about the fact that crazy-eyed "hockey mom" from hell could be out next president if McCain's ancient ass kicks it while in office...

ban ban ban
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5it8KyOqY5ZF4nQaF8rc4tX5tLvCgD93535600

While the attempted book bannings are very troubling, I also find these "loyalty tests" that she is fond of, very disturbing.

That's not change we can believe in.

Let's recycle the debunked 9/11-Iraq connection:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103789.html?hpid=topnews

They took that too far. I guess to a fanatic that could be what she said, "dog whistles" and all, but I presumed she was talking about soldiers and innocent iraqis.

Palin's statements on climate change at odds
Associated Press
25 mins ago

FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska – Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's assertion that she believes humans play a role in climate change — made in her first major interview since joining the Republican ticket — is at odds with her previous statements.

Palin said she didn't disagree with scientists that the problem can be attributed to "man's activities."

"Show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change. I have not said that," Palin told ABC News in an interview broadcast Thursday and Friday.

However, in the past Palin has said she does not believe global warming is caused by human activity. She has told the Internet news site Newsmax, "A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. ... I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."

In an interview with a Fairbanks newspaper within the last year, Palin said: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity." ABC cited the interview as being at odds with her statement.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has said humans have caused climate change.

In the ABC interview, Palin said she believes that "man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. ... Regardless, though, of the reason for climate change, whether it's entirely, wholly caused by man's activities or is part of the cyclical nature of our planet — the warming and the cooling trends — regardless of that, John McCain and I agree that we gotta do something about it."

Palin also said that while she had not met any foreign heads of state, many other vice presidents may not have, either. However, the vice presidents who have served since 1977 — George H.W. Bush, the former ambassador to China and CIA director; Dick Cheney, chief of staff for President Ford and defense secretary for Bush; and Sens. Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle and Gore — likely would have met heads of state and other foreign leaders because of their extensive experience in the federal government.

Questions about Palin's knowledge of foreign policy dominated the interview with ABC's Charles Gibson. Palin repeated her earlier assertions that she's ready to be president if called upon, yet she sidestepped questions on whether she had the national security credentials needed to be commander in chief.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has defended his running mate's qualifications, citing her command of the Alaska National Guard and Alaska's proximity to Russia.

Pressed about what insights into recent Russian actions she gained by living in Alaska, Palin told Gibson, "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

Palin, 44, has been Alaska's governor for less than two years and before that was a small-town mayor. Asked whether those were sufficient credentials, Palin said: "It is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues."

She said she brings expertise in making the country energy independent as a former chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

Palin said that other than a trip to visit soldiers in Kuwait and Germany last year, her only other foreign travel was to Mexico and Canada. She also:

--Appeared unsure of the Bush doctrine — essentially that the United States must help spread democracy to stop terrorism and that the nation will act pre-emptively to stop potential foes.

Asked whether she agreed with that, Palin said: "In what respect, Charlie?" Gibson pressed her for an interpretation of it. She said: "His world view." That prompted Gibson to say "no, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war" and describe it to her.

"I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation," Palin said, though she added "there have been mistakes made."

Pressed repeatedly on whether the United States could attack terrorist hideouts in Pakistan without the country's permission, she said: "If there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."

--Said nuclear weapons in Iran's hands are dangerous, and said "we've got to put the pressure on Iran." Asked three times what her position would be if Israel felt threatened enough to attack Iranian nuclear facilities, Palin repeatedly said the United States shouldn't "second guess" Israel's steps to secure itself.

--Called for Georgia and the Ukraine to be included in NATO, a treaty that requires the U.S. to defend them militarily. She also said Russia's attack into Georgia last month was "unprovoked." Asked to clarify that she'd support going to war over Georgia, she said: "Perhaps so."

On the environment, Palin said she disagreed with McCain's position against oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.

"We'll agree to disagree," she said, "but I'm gonna keep pushing that and I think eventually we're all gonna come together on that one."

Associating Al Qaeda in Iraq with the specific Al Qaeda folks who planned and implemented 9/11 is weak sauce. And it was clear from her context that those statements were about in the framework of 9/11:

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/11/palin-speaks-at-army-deployment-ceremony-for-son/


You’ll be there to defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans. You’ll be there because America can never go back to that false sense of security that came before Sept. 11, 2001.

I'm not losing that much sleep over this, though. Her piss-poor interview with Charlie Gibson -- that's enough to lose sleep over. She reminds me of a goob I interviewed, blubbering on basic questions, trying to bullshit me.

How many times can she say the exact same answer after more probing? She completely dodged most questions like she had canned responses up front.

"I love my momma and Elvis" is an acceptable answer for any American politician.

Still waiting for one of these "major political flaws" of Palin to pick up some steam and blow up the media outlets.

But nothing can even seem to get off the ground...

She's being publicly vetted, since nobody knew anything about her. The evidence that she's unqualified and of questionable judgment continues to mount each day.

In other words, she's a novelty.


Analysis: McCain sidekick grabs the limelight

By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK – If there were any doubts that the sidekick was stealing the show, they were put to rest when Sarah Palin took off for Alaska with a wave from the tarmac by John McCain.

His crowds suddenly dwindled. The exuberant cheering heard day after day during two weeks of joint appearances went away. And the Republican presidential candidate's schedule began to resemble the lightness of May instead of the full throttle of September.

Meantime, Palin's campaign plane taking her home to Alaska was so crowded it had to let off some cargo to get the weight down.

This was a striking week to see the contrast between McCain and Palin together and the dimmed wattage around the nominee when they are apart. They are expected to reunite early next week.

With her, McCain scored the largest crowd of his presidential campaign. An estimated 23,000 people crammed a park in the Washington suburb of Fairfax, Va., on a weekday morning.

Music blared and people roared as the Arizona senator and his high-energy running mate took the stage. "I am so grateful for this turnout," McCain enthused. Aides grinned ear-to-ear. The crowd shouted "Sarah, Sarah" and women who showed up said they were excited to learn about her life and accomplishments.

Without Palin later in the day, McCain went to a diner in Philadelphia.

He held a discussion on economic woes there with half a dozen businesswomen. A large crowd backing Democratic rival Barack Obama gathered in the indoor marketplace where the Down Home Diner is located, and yelled "Obama, Obama" so loudly that McCain and his guests at times had to lean far over the table to hear each other speak.

McCain's remarks to reporters afterward were similarly drowned out. "Pennsylvania is a battleground state, as we can tell," he said with barely contained fury. Aides' faces fell.

Palin's arrival in Alaska, her first step away from McCain, only continued her streak of large, wildly excited crowds. The Alaska governor was greeted at the airport by about 2,000 people who nearly choked her up with their happy welcome. High-level McCain aides went with her to help her prepare for her first big interview.

"She's on a wild ride," Obama told David Letterman, conceding she's the phenomenon of the moment. The Democrat cracked: "As somebody who used to be on the cover of Time and Newsweek — those were the days — I had a recent offer with Popular Mechanics: centerfold with a wrench."

The lesson from all of this isn't lost on McCain. Campaigns usually split up their presidential and vice presidential candidates so the ticket can cover more ground, which is what Obama and his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, are doing. This could be especially important because the late conventions shortened the general-election season.

But the McCain camp has calculated it needs to put him back with his No. 2, and probably keep them together for much of the fall campaign.

Until they are back together, McCain has no rallies and not much going on.

On Friday, McCain only had two public appointments, both aimed at female voters: interviews with his wife Cindy on "The View" and "The Rachael Ray Show."

He planned to stay behind closed doors Saturday at his campaign headquarters, then travel Sunday to a NASCAR race in New Hampshire, which provides a built-in, pumped-up crowd the campaign does not have to generate itself. Then it's on to Florida for a fundraiser.

Palin, meantime, is headlining her own rallies in Anchorage and Carson City, Nev., on Saturday before flying to Colorado.

She's proved adept at electrifying core Republicans and intriguing many independents, even as scrutiny of her record intensifies and Democrats label her a lightweight.

Aides have sheltered her from spontaneous exchanges with voters and kept a tight lid on press access, leaving little doubt that they worry about how she will do in any setting that is not highly orchestrated. She stumbled over foreign policy in her ABC News interview despite careful preparation.

Still, on the stage, the understudy is upstaging the lead actor. That can be hard on a star's ego but McCain is not complaining. There are worse problems for a presidential campaign to have.

The evidence that she's unqualified and of questionable judgment continues to mount each day.


Even moreso with Obama...each day.

Like what?

Even moreso with Obama...each day.

Reset....she didn't even know what the Bush Doctrine was!!! She's, basically, a female Dan Quayle with a moose hunting license.

Yeah, right.

Obama's deficiencies are all out there, hers are still being uncovered.

Obama's been vetted for 4+ years, she's only been the subject of the game for two weeks.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3258/2850758761_4649c49a36_o.gif

Reset....she didn't even know what the Bush Doctrine was!!! She's, basically, a female Dan Quayle with a moose hunting license.

In the interview, she knew what it was, but wasn't familiar that it was called "The Bush Doctrine"...

Hardly worth discussing.

Charles Gibson plays the role of undercover liberal in this interview, and no matter what happens, she's going to be picked apart by the usual suspects (Olberman, Colmes...etc.), either way, it's not going to hinder her popularity

Who cares about facts?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_republicans

^irrelavant, McCain and Palin don't have to see eye to eye on every issue, ultimately McCain has the say on earmark spending, and even Palin knows that requesting funds for animal research will not happen once JM is president, might as well request research funds now while the perks still available...

again, hardly note-worthy, it's just the best Gibson and his liberal staffers could find to pressure her on, and she's handling it like a pro...


nothing even remotely close to Rev. Jeremiah Wright, or any of the other baggage that comes along with BO

Crashing hard.

As much as Gibson tried to twist Palin's words in every single one of her responses, it became obvious who was REALLY giving the interview.

First, a hurricane dicks over the RNC, now a hurricane helps the Republicans by taking Palin's god awful interviews out of the spotlight.

Win, Win...at least the polls have suggested that...

First, a hurricane dicks over the RNC, now a hurricane helps the Republicans by taking Palin's god awful interviews out of the spotlight.

That first hurricane gave them an excuse to keep Bush and Cheney away from the convention. They couldn't have scripted a better break.

^Good call, forgot about that.

http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmRkN2QwYjMxMmI1NjY2OGFhOThjZTdjOGEzYWJiNTY=

LOL@Palin...

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6qz8c_sphc_fun

Tina has Palin down cold.

I like Palin better with her hair down:
http://i38.tinypic.com/el6s5w.jpg

Yea and she's lost severe weight too.

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll248/ecmanthony/McCain_Palin.jpg

Hillary bullshits about Bosnia, Palin bullshits about Iraq:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/13/report_palin_did_not_visit_ira.html

Her supposed strong point is energy? Not so much:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html

Yea and she's lost severe weight too.
I see what you mean.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/nonnie9999/tv%20shows/terminatorthesarahconnorschronicles.jpg

The words edited out of the Charlie Gibson-Sarah Palin interview make her look more like a dumbass:
http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/

Palin had a tanning bed put in the Alaska Governor's mansion:
http://narconews.com/Issue54/article3191.html

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index1.html

Another valley activist, Philip Munger, says that Palin also helped push the evangelical drive to take over the Mat-Su Borough school board. "She wanted to get people who believed in creationism on the board," said Munger, a music composer and teacher. "I bumped into her once after my band played at a graduation ceremony at the Assembly of God. I said, 'Sarah, how can you believe in creationism -- your father's a science teacher.' And she said, 'We don't have to agree on everything.'

"I pushed her on the earth's creation, whether it was really less than 7,000 years old and whether dinosaurs and humans walked the earth at the same time. And she said yes, she'd seen images somewhere of dinosaur fossils with human footprints in them."

Munger also asked Palin if she truly believed in the End of Days, the doomsday scenario when the Messiah will return. "She looked in my eyes and said, 'Yes, I think I will see Jesus come back to earth in my lifetime.'"

^^that enitre interview has been completely dis-regarded by all networks due to Charlie Gibson's obvious bias, and all the shit they cut out to make her look bad...

Notice nobody's hammering her on it except for blogs and mega left-wing libs like Mitch Albom??

Limbaugh & Hannity will hammer out the flaws today, and that interview will have become a complete joke...

Limbaugh & Hannity will hammer out the flaws today, and that interview will have become a complete joke...

Limbaugh and Hannity?

:dismissed:

lol

most listened to radio shows in the country...

there platform can't be out done

even Olbermann always seems to reference Rush at least once in his program, just so he can defend himself from all his mis-guided viewers

Jerry Springer is also a very popular show.

It might be time for a Young Republican subforum.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/simonquilty/robert_bluey.jpg

^^that enitre interview has been completely dis-regarded by all networks due to Charlie Gibson's obvious bias, and all the shit they cut out to make her look bad...
Look at the complete interview text for this snippet:


GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you. But, Charlie, again, we’ve got to remember what the desire is in this nation at this time. It is for no more politics as usual and somebody’s big, fat resume maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment, where, yes, they’ve had opportunities to meet heads of state … these last couple of weeks … it has been overwhelming to me that confirmation of the message that Americans are getting sick and tired of that self-dealing and kind of that closed door, good old boy network that has been the Washington elite.
Gibson asks a yes or no question. It was edited -- the words in italics were not broadcast -- such that Palin actually gave a yes or no response. But it appears from the extended response that either she didn't KNOW who a foreign head of state was, or she was just dodging the question with extraneous bullshit. If I'd gotten that level of extraneous bullshit, I'd have grown annoyed as well.


Notice nobody's hammering her on it except for blogs and mega left-wing libs like Mitch Albom??
"I can see Russia from my house!" is probably the #1 Palin reference I heard all weekend, and today even. That came out of the Gibson interview. Is SNL mega-left-wing? Lorne Michaels is a big-time McCain person.


Limbaugh & Hannity will hammer out the flaws today, and that interview will have become a complete joke...
Sooo.... why didn't she interview with them first? Remember that the McCain-Palin campaign had the pick of the litter. What does this say about their judgement? I was surprised Hannity wasn't tapped first.

Sooo.... why didn't she interview with them first? Remember that the McCain-Palin campaign had the pick of the litter. What does this say about their judgement? I was surprised Hannity wasn't tapped first.

Mxy doesn't lose.

most listened to radio shows in the country...

there platform can't be out done

even Olbermann always seems to reference Rush at least once in his program, just so he can defend himself from all his mis-guided viewers

Do we really have to go over this again?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Moo!

WASILLA, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is local, not to mention personal.

So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency.

It's all about vetting...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Moo!

Her love to shoot them maybe.

She's getting it from a ball-busting Democratic chick...

http://iowaindependent.com/5505/judge-on-palin-%E2%80%98just-because-you-wear-a-pantsuit-doesn%E2%80%99t-qualify-you-to-be-in-the-sisterhood%E2%80%99


“Sarah knows how to field dress a moose,” Judge told a crowd of about 1,000 at Sen. Tom Harkin’s annual steak fry. “I know how to castrate a calf. The thing is, neither of those things have anything to do with this election.”

not sure if this was posted already but...

Palin & Hillary on SNL (http://entertainment.msn.com/video/playern/?pid=2HLU_6evr__HBxqGVi6GzXEVAFNFvEq0&GT1=42003)

classic

Someone thought the SNL skit was funny. No one important, though.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,422883,00.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Moo!

Looking at other quotes from that article, she's a northern exposure version of Kwame Kilpatrick.


an examination of her swift rise and record as mayor of Wasilla and then governor finds that her visceral style and penchant for attacking critics — she sometimes calls local opponents “haters” — contrasts with her carefully crafted public image.

Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials.


As she assembled her cabinet and made other state appointments, those with insider credentials were now on the outs. But a new pattern became clear. She surrounded herself with people she has known since grade school and members of her church.

Why is it terrible that she would appoint people she knew into her cabinet? She's supposed to appoint strangers? She's supposed to know people beside those she grew up with and goes to church with? She's a mom who had some silly jobs, who else should she be trusting? You want the anchor man of that news show she was on in the cabinet?

The Tina Fey Palin skit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4sBpH_jTlk
k4sBpH_jTlk

She really has the voice down.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/

Why is it terrible that she would appoint people she knew into her cabinet? She's supposed to appoint strangers? She's supposed to know people beside those she grew up with and goes to church with? She's a mom who had some silly jobs, who else should she be trusting? You want the anchor man of that news show she was on in the cabinet?

My take is that if you are going to campaign that you are going to put a stop to the "old boys network" where people get the plum jobs and prime bennies just becasue of who they know, then you probably best not be just handing out plum jobs to your friends.


So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency.

Um, yeah.

If it was a real state I might agree. But its Alaska. I can't imaging the pickings are plentiful up there.

Also, McCain's campaign announced last night that Palin has changed her mind and will not be cooperating in the "troopergate" investigation.

Don't we have a current administration that also likes to block investigations and ignore subpeonas? Sounds like, all together now, "more of the same" to me.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff

Why is it terrible that she would appoint people she knew into her cabinet? She's supposed to appoint strangers? She's supposed to know people beside those she grew up with and goes to church with? She's a mom who had some silly jobs, who else should she be trusting? You want the anchor man of that news show she was on in the cabinet?

You forgot to make it green. Almost got me.

It's not sarcasm.

She was elected in a podunk state to bring an end to the old guard. Who do you expect to make up the new guard? Answer: podunk state people.

Do you think there was some constantly thwarted do good politico's just waiting for the bad guys to lose power so they could step up? No, they went to real places and got real jobs in politics.

Educated Residents Ordered to Evacuate before Palin Speech
http://www.necessaryprose.com/palinsurge.htm

Punchy Lohan Slams Palin as 'Narrow-Minded Homophobe'

Lindsay Lohan's online missives have come a long way from the days when she offered to "release a politically/morally correct, fully adequite [sic] letter to the press ... simply to state my oppinions [sic] on how our society should be educated on for the better of our country."

Now, with a little help from inamorata Samantha Ronson, she's penned a surprisingly coherent diatribe on Sen. John McCain's vice presidential running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, which she says was sparked by her "fear, anxiety, concern, disappointment and stress" and her inability to "bite my tongue any more."

"Is it a sin to be gay? Should it be a sin to be straight? Or to use birth control? Or to have sex before marriage? Or even to have a child out of wedlock?" the Barack Obama-supporting actress, 22, rails on her MySpace page. "Is our country so divided that the Republicans' best hope is a narrow-minded, media-obsessed homophobe?"

She goes on to cite an Associated Press story about how Palin's longtime church in Wasilla, Alaska, promoted a conference "that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through prayer."

And while Lohan says, "I am not against Sarah Palin as a mother or woman," she points out that "women have come a long way in the fight to have the choice over what we do with our bodies. ... And it's frightening to see that a woman in 2008 would negate all of that."

She adds that she "would have liked to have remained impartial; however, I am afraid that the 'lipstick on a pig' comments will overshadow the issues. ... I have faith that this country will be all that it can be with the proper guidance. I really hope that all of you make your decisions based on the facts and what feels right to you in your heart -- vote for Obama!"

Alas, LiLo then undoes much of her earlier eloquence by concluding, "Oh, and ... hint hint Pali-pal -- don't pose for anymore tabloid covers, you're not a celebrity, you're running for office to represent our, your, my COUNTRY! And in the words of Pamela Anderson, 'She can suck it.'"



stay classy San Diego

LOL @ her calling someone else "media obsessed".

Also, firecrotch

Well I was going to vote for McCain, but after Lohan's endorsement I'm voting for Obama.

Also, McCain's campaign announced last night that Palin has changed her mind and will not be cooperating in the "troopergate" investigation.

Don't we have a current administration that also likes to block investigations and ignore subpeonas? Sounds like, all together now, "more of the same" to me.


Glenn, do you even know why she wanted that officer fired?? MSNBC & CNN know why, they just don't feel like broadcasting that part...

The officer tasered a 10 yr old kid...but the leftwing media dosen't want you to know that...

Probably explains why none of it is blowing up into a huge scandal...


Still waiting for something to blow up in Palin's face...it's been almost four weeks now...

It doesn't matter what happened, they should cooperate in the investigation. If she did nothing wrong, she has nothing to hide. that is what transparency is all about.

It's not sarcasm.

She was elected in a podunk state to bring an end to the old guard. Who do you expect to make up the new guard? Answer: podunk state people.

Do you think there was some constantly thwarted do good politico's just waiting for the bad guys to lose power so they could step up? No, they went to real places and got real jobs in politics.

In that case, I go back to my Kwame comparison. In both cases, they packed their administration with high school buddies. It's according-to-hoyle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronyism) cronyism. The word has a negative connotation for good reason.

She's one dead stripper away from being mayor of detroit.

Alaska may be a small state but that doesn't mean the pool of people to run it should be limited to Palin's high school and church.

blah blah blah

She has crammed so much public assclownery into such a brief, barely-legal life that it's truly cringeworthy for her to open her trap on anything serious.

Still waiting for something to blow up in Palin's face...it's been almost four weeks now...

If by four you meant two, then you would be considered somewhat legit.

Glenn, do you even know why she wanted that officer fired?? MSNBC & CNN know why, they just don't feel like broadcasting that part...

The officer tasered a 10 yr old kid...but the leftwing media dosen't want you to know that...
The 10-year old kid asked to be tasered because he wanted to know what it was like, and the officer tasered the kid at a "test" setting in front of friends. This was of such consequence to the mom and the father of the kid (who is not the officer) that it went unreported for a YEAR, until the mom decided to try and throw the kitchen sink to the officer as part of divorce proceedings.

Stupid? Hell yes. Enough to get fired for? Both a police review board and a family court judge disagreed. Believe me, if you're gonna fire cops for not always being smart when it comes to their family life, you might as well have total fucking anarchy. (The divorce and suicide rate for cops is stupidly high.) The case was closed for a year until Palin tried to stir it up again upon being governor.


Still waiting for something to blow up in Palin's face...it's been almost four weeks now...
It's been 2.5 weeks since Palin was picked to be VP. Palin is turning into the punchline for a joke once you get beyond the anti-abortion crowd. Can you see Russia from your house, or is all that lipstick getting in the way?

The 10-year old kid asked to be tasered because he wanted to know what it was like, and the officer tasered the kid at a "test" setting in front of friends.


Yeah, but that's not the point. Notice how the liberal media has never mentioned why she wanted the officer fired...whether or not he deserves to be fired is irrelavant...

MSNBC is trying to make this page 1 news by calling it "Troopergate" with out telling anybody why she wants him fired...

and that's why it hasn't escalated into anything, because those who've taken the time to figure out why she wants him fired, see that there's a legitimate motive behind it...and the people who haven't taken the time to figure out why, simply don't give a shit...

It was being called Troopergate by the Alaskan press before Palin was ever selected as McCain's VP. It was already into scandal territory weeks before, and the only thing that was keeping it from being the #1 scandal was Ted Stevens. Here's the first Troopergate reference I found with a really quick search, from August 2nd:

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/482537.html

Palin's flip-flopped so many times on job performance and why she did or didn't want him fired that it's giving people whiplash trying to keep up. If you take the time to dig, you find contradiction after contradiction:

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/test_0

As far as relevancy -- in politics, it's rarely the main scandal itself that gets you tangled up. It's the lies and coverups. Any conservative who's tracked the saga of Bill Clinton should know that one by heart.

Ferraro gave the party a huge bounce, and made the Dems think they could compete against Reagan. Her speech was the highlight, not Mondale's (who had a bigger talent for putting people to sleep than even McCain does). Gallup had Mondale-Ferraro ahead of Reagan-Bush 48-46. All was great for two weeks or so. Then it started sinking in... Mondale was still Mondale, and Ferraro had lots of problems.
So, we're 2.5 weeks in and, lo and behold:

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx
Palin's Favorability Ratings Begin to Falter


The polls reflected the early success of her strategy. In the three days after Palin joined Team McCain--Aug. 29-31--32 percent of voters told the pollsters at Diageo/Hotline that they had a favorable opinion of her; most (48 percent) didn't know enough to say. By Sept. 4, however, 43 percent of Diageo/Hotline respondents approved of Palin with only 25 percent disapproving--an 18-point split. Apparently, voters were liking what they were hearing. Four days later, Palin's approval rating had climbed to 47 percent (+17), and by Sept. 13 it had hit 52 percent. The gap at that point between her favorable and unfavorable numbers--22 percent--was larger than either McCain's (+20) or Obama's (+13).

But then a funny thing happened: Palin lost some of her luster. Since Sept. 13, Palin's unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That's a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll with the smallest favorability split (+10) of any of the Final Four. Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.

Newsweek liberal propaganda...

whos leading the polls again?

Newsweek liberal propaganda...

whos leading the polls again?

dem liberal facts are lies, the only truth is in my gut.

Newsweek liberal propaganda...
So anything that doesnt say what you want or does not reinforce your gut feelings is liberal propaganda? Is there a reality where Palin isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread?

http://news.yahoo.com/s//ap/20080917/ap_on_go_pr_wh/palin_mccain_operatives

JUNEAU, Alaska - GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is effectively turning over questions about her record as Alaska's governor to John McCain's political campaign, part of an ambitious Republican strategy to limit any embarrassing disclosures and carefully shape her image for voters in the rest of the country.

No, just that article is. There's nothing to suggest she's tanked her popularity...

Dan Fagan, the author, is a Rush Limbaugh-wannabe conservative in Alaska:
http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/528420.html

The governor has given so many different reasons for firing Monegan I've lost count. From the "we need new direction" and "new energy" to "he wasn't hiring enough cops," to "he wasn't doing enough about alcohol in the bush" to "he lobbied for budget increases" to the latest version, which is a doozy; Monegan displayed "egregious rogue behavior."

The governor also originally said that neither she, Todd nor anyone from her administration pressured Monegan regarding Trooper Wooten. Palin then was forced to admit there was serial contact once the Frank Bailey tape surfaced. But she insisted she was just learning of it. But e-mails have surfaced detailing Palin complaining to Monegan about Wooten.

The governor also originally said an investigation was needed and promised to cooperate. Then she instructed her employees not to talk to the investigator and has herself refused to be interviewed.

Palin can't constantly change her story and expect us to believe her each time she does.

Jay Leno does LOL@Palin:

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/article/63499/leno-takes-aim-at-palin-campaign/

Hahahahahaha. (Unintentional) comedy gold. I love this guy.

Wil, ya gotta use your frequent flyer mileage for a shot to Harlem and see this guy in person.

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...wow....

Manning's being defensive because he knows who Bristol Palin's real father is:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VELIG92GDXw

#207
very christian of him

Is that the Executive Producer of Fox News?

This one was a tough call between LOL@FOX and LOL@Palin, Todd...

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MAN THAT'S FUNNY!

She seems to be attracted to him. She seems way to happy about the interview.

That's obviously edited. I'd think it'd be more LOL@Fox than Todd Palin, though. First Dude was who he was, didn't emit any egregious bullshit in what little I saw.

Yeah, he seemed to take it all in stride. This is a LOL@FoxNews

Just a little juxtaposition. Conclusions are left to you, intrepid viewer.

http://gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/09/Picture_2_04.png

Sarah Palin Baby Name Generator
http://personal-space.com/script/script.php (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)
LOL
http://personal-space.com/script/script.php

Sarah Palin's email hax0red:
http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

Man, this just gets more and more Kwame-esque...

More stirring bullshit:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry4456592.shtml

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich.) Standing beside John McCain at her first town hall meeting since being named to the Republican ticket, Sarah Palin was asked what specific skills she would bring to the White House to “mitigate that concern” of her perceived lack of foreign policy experience.

"Well, I think because I am a Washington outsider that opponents are going to be looking for a whole lot of things that they can criticize and they can kind of beat the candidate here who chose me as his partner to kinda tear down the ticket,” Palin said. But as for foreign policy, you know I think that I am prepared, and I know that on January 20th if we are so blessed as to be sworn into office as your president and vice president, certainly we'll be ready. I'll be ready. I have that confidence. I have that readiness and if you want specifics with specific policy or countries, go ahead. You can ask me. You can play stump the candidate if you want to. But we are ready to serve."
Gotta love those specific answers. "I have that readiness". Yessir.

Chuck Hagel weighs in:

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2835&u_sid=10435997

Sarah Palin's email hax0red:
http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails

Man, this just gets more and more Kwame-esque...
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin_Yahoo_inbox_2008

Emails about the Department of Public Safety... yes folks, Palin and Kwame WERE separated at birth.

And what Kwame comparison would be complete without having dumbass friends getting into trouble. Witness Alaska State Senator Lesil McGuire, who was on the Republican-led panel who just voted against subpoena'ing Palin but was overruled. Now she's gotten drunk on a plane...

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2008-09-17-alaska-flight-disturbance_N.htm

And this is what happens when you choose a wildcard to shake things up a little. At first, people see her as a working mom and a woman fighting for power in the man-world of Alaska, and they either sympathize with her or feel empathy with their own personal life struggles. Obviously there will be a bump in the polls (which, BTW, are ALWAYS skewed since once rarely understands exactly "where" those numbers came from).

But, as time rolls on, the unknown wildcard become more of a known quantity, and in the case of Pain... I mean, Palin... she's being view more frequently as an ignorant bitch who abuses power not unlike a Beverly Hills trophy wife.

I'm sorry Wil (Tahoe too). I like John McCain. I really do believe he's a good guy, and he's always been open for discussion and compromise (as a senator). However, I no longer believe he is running his campaign. He did not choose Palin, and these ads he's been running are not his doing. On the other hand, Obama "appears" to have control of his campaign, the choices falling squarely within his personal guidelines. I simply cannot choose a candidates who cannot even control a "campaign", let alone a country. And I cannot choose a candidate who's running-mate very well could be the least-experienced of any Veep candidate ever (maybe second to Quayle.. or Ferraro?).

Nice post, Denny.

+4 MoTowns

Ferraro was a house rep for 6 years I believe before being on the ticket in 84.

Bwahaha!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/18/palins-transparency-proposal-already-exists-in-dc/#more-19188

“We’re going to do a few new things also,” she said at a rally in Cedar Rapids. “For instance, as Alaska’s governor, I put the government’s checkbook online so that people can see where their money’s going. We’ll bring that kind of transparency, that responsibility, and accountability back. We’re going to bring that back to D.C.”

There’s just one problem with proposing to put the federal checkbook online – somebody’s already done it. His name is Barack Obama.

lol pwnt. Palin's a noob.

http://craphound.com/images/2008-09-03-NotVettingSarahPalin.jpg

Better watch your back, John McCain...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dysEy5O1dn4

Reportedly, people are coming to see Palin (and protest against Palin), then leaving when McCain speaks. Perhaps this has something to do with why she cancelled a number of planned fundraisers in California and other places?

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/jnail/blog/&blogId=4034

And when she spoke in Cedar Rapids, she still thought she was in Grand Rapids.

LOL

Oh, and Sarah Palin circulated a photo of her to the press with what turns out to be a John Birch Society magazine opened and on her desk:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Whats_on_the_desk.html?showall

And the gift justs keeps on giving... imagine how different an election this would've been right now if Romney were McCain's VP.

This is fucking amazing.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c_MpcFfEZY

And by "amazing", I mean frightening as hell.

Palin is caught in a red-handed Troopergate lie.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=5844710

"The last straw," her lawyer argued, came when he planned a trip to Washington, D.C., to seek federal funds for an aggressive anti-sexual-violence program. The project, expected to cost from $10 million to $20 million a year for five years, would have been the first of its kind in Alaska, which leads the nation in reported forcible rape.

The McCain-Palin campaign echoed the charge in a press release it distributed Monday, concurrent with Palin's legal filing. "Mr. Monegan persisted in planning to make the unauthorized lobbying trip to D.C.," the release stated.

But the governor's staff authorized the trip, according to an internal travel document from the Department of Public Safety, released Friday in response to an open records request.

The document, a state travel authorization form, shows that Palin's chief of staff, Mike Nizich, approved Monegan's trip to Washington D.C. "to attend meeting with Senator Murkowski." The date next to Nizich's signature reads June 18.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1606/wdfdbg7.gif

:)

Troopergate is the biggest bunch of BS ever. I was watching Rachel Maddow, and she's trying to make this into a huge Watergate scandal, but she doesn't even tell the audience why Palin wanted the officer fired.

Because if she did, it would be plausiable for both parties to understand.

It's not irrelavant information...

its plausible to abuse power for personal grudge?

Opening up an already-closed case involving a family member, where the outcome was what both a family court judge and the police union thought was appropriate, is gonna get you hard questions. Lying and ducking the matter makes it worse. What part of this is hard to understand?

Again, have you forgotten the lessons of the past? It's not the actual issue, but the coverup that kills in politics. The Palins are doing nothing but cover up at this point, and against a BIPARTISAN investigation no less. The more she lies and dodges, the more the digging will happen.

To cite a famous example-- Whitewater was a bunch of BS. But what killed Bill Clinton was a coverup in the Whitewater investigation. And it wasn't a coverup that had to do with Whitewater itself, unless you think Monica Lewinsky, all of 5 years old at the time, was key to a failed Ozark real estate deal in the 1970s.

I hope 232 wasn't taken personally. I had it copied on my clipboard from something else and I thought I'd post it.

Isn't that kind of funny.

I didn't take it personally. I LOLed, even :)

Speaking of LOL, it looks like McCain-Palin is advertising on porn sites.
This is supposedly legit:

http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capture002czp1.jpg

EDIT: I went to the site with a vanilla browser setup and, sure enough, yes the McCain-Palin ad is still there, courtesy of clicks.weselltraffic.com. And it looks like a real porn site. All those horndogs searching for "pounding Palin pussy" must've had some effect.

its plausible to abuse power for personal grudge?


You don't know that it was abuse of power...

Your just assuming. Because nobody knows the whole story.

These two statements don't make sense with each other:


Troopergate is the biggest bunch of BS ever.


You don't know that it was abuse of power...
Your just assuming. Because nobody knows the whole story.
Either it's BS because you know, or it's not BS because nobody knows.

You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

Keep in mind that the big reason that nobody knows the whole story is because Todd and Sarah Palin aren't talking, despite the subpoenas and commissions and such. That itself is turning into an abuse of power.

If there's smoke, there's fire. Or a liar. Or something like that.

These two statements don't make sense with each other:




Either it's BS because you know, or it's not BS because nobody knows.

You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

Keep in mind that the big reason that nobody knows the whole story is because Todd and Sarah Palin aren't talking, despite the subpoenas and commissions and such. That itself is turning into an abuse of power.

If there's smoke, there's fire. Or a liar. Or something like that.

The dead stripper will enter this story any day now.

These two statements don't make sense with each other:




Either it's BS because you know, or it's not BS because nobody knows.

You can't have it both ways...
But he'll try of course.



You don't know that it was abuse of power...

Your just assuming. Because nobody knows the whole story.
OK, that's a stretch.


On July 11, 2008, Sarah Palin dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan, citing performance-related issues, such as not being "a team player on budgeting issues."[117][118] Monegan said that he had resisted subtle but persistent pressure from the Governor, her husband, and her staff to fire Palin’s ex-brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten; Trooper Wooten was involved in a child custody battle with Palin’s sister that included an alleged death threat against Palin's father.[119][120] Monegan told the Palins that there was nothing he could do because the matter was closed.[121] Monegan initially said he was not certain why he was dismissed but that his refusal to fire Wooten could have been connected,[122] and he later asserted that the dispute over Wooten was a major reason for his firing.[123] Palin stated on July 17 that Monegan was not pressured to fire Wooten, or dismissed for not doing so.
So her story sounds believable against his? Again there is no whole story. If it is proven that she fired him for not enforcing her wishes on a family matter, then the story stops there because she has no right and there is nothing plausible.

Why everything else doesnt matter beyond that because of the inconsistencies of personal relationships.

On January 1, 2000, Sarah Palin wrote a character reference for Mike Wooten. She described him as "a fine role model for my own children," and said "I beleive [sic] the United States Air Force has been fortunate to have the services of Mike these past 10 years." The recommendation was written when Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, and the letter was on her official letterhead.[18] Molly McCann was dating Mike Wooten at the time.[19] With the aid of this character reference Wooten became an Alaska State Trooper in March 2001.[20]
turns to this upon divorce...

On April 11, 2005, before Palin became governor, her sister Molly McCann filed for divorce against her then-husband, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten. The same day McCann phoned the police to complain that in February 2005 Wooten had threatened to shoot Chuck Heath (father of McCann and Sarah Palin) if he hired an attorney to help in her divorce, had threatened to "take down" Palin if she got involved, and had driven while intoxicated on several occasions.[14][15][16] McCann, Palin and Heath subsequently made several further allegations against Wooten.[14][15][17]

Also stop taking the thread so damn seriously pussy. :P

Speaking of pussy, this is not Palin's most "Hit it" moment.
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2008-09-17-sarahstylist.jpg

I dug up the porn. You'd think people would thank me for it. :)

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/nkm1981/fuckyoujohnmccain.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvUsdmqGYV8
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I'm not taking this too seriously, Codename. It's just become painfully obvious MSNBC or CNN can't get this thing off the ground, because it's so petty and miniscule.

More about Troopergate, from a REPUBLICAN critic in Alaska:

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/532372.html

The real damage to Palin from Troopergate comes with an injury claim involving trooper Wooten when he hurt his back while in the line of duty.

Independent investigator Steve Branchflower testified recently he believes someone in the governor's office tried to block Wooten's workers' compensation injury benefits.

Harbor Adjustment Services, the company hired by the state to process, evaluate and decide on workers' benefit claims, had great financial incentive in bowing to pressure from the governor to deny Wooten's injury claim.

Obviously, the state is Harbor Adjustment Services' largest client. The owner of the company denies the governor's office pressured her to deny Wooten's benefits. Why wouldn't she? Ratting out the governor could cost her the lucrative state contract.

But Branchflower says an employee with Harbor Adjustment Services contradicts the owner and has testified the governor's office did apply pressure to deny Wooten his benefits.

Branchflower says the unnamed employee testified, "I don't, you know, care if it's the president who wants the claim denied. I'm not going to deny it unless I have the medical evidence to do that,"

I'm not taking this too seriously, Codename. It's just become painfully obvious MSNBC or CNN can't get this thing off the ground, because it's so petty and miniscule.
It's not about what CNN or MSNBC does with it now. Troopergate started before they were involved. Especially because it's a bipartisan affair, Troopergate continues to have teeth. Should Palin end up with an indictment out of this by mid-October, it's lights-out for McCain. Obama, the media, the law-and-order Republicans, Tina Fey, etc. will gang up. Obama may win Alaska in the unlikely event such a thing happens, much as Dems are projected to win the Alaskan Senate and House seats because of the Ted Stevens mess.

It wouldn't have been much of anything cept that she has been picked for the VP spot.

Let the partisan witch-hunt begin.

Even some of the indi's Columnists in AK have said that the entire investigation has turned ugly since the pick.

Troopergate is bipartisan. 8 Reps and 4 Dems unanimously voted for the ethics investigation against Palin. A panel of 3 Reps and 2 Dems voted to issue subpoenas, with the deciding vote being the Republican state rep for Wasilla. The only thing that's introduced partisanship is the VP business.

The bipartisan nature is what makes it comical to me. That level of unanimity against a popular governor sure suggests that she's guilty as sin. She could have apologized, gotten her hand slapped formally, gotten kudos from some camps, and it'd be a relative non-issue come re-election time.. Instead, she wants to play "lie 'til you die".

I realize there are both parties on the panel, but the big boys from Dems headed up there to pour as much gas on this thing as they can.