I'm beginning to believe Palin is nothing more than the iceberg to McCain's Ttanic, forced upon him by the ultra-right to covertly upend his candidacy.

I mean, c'mon!! Dude wrapped up him nom faster than the Angels wrapped up the West, and after all that time... he chooses HER?

Four years of Obama amist the debt and burden from the war, the bailouts, and worldwide hatred for the U.S. might see him make some costly decisions -- right or wrong -- which could pave the way for a very conservative republican candidate currently waiting in the wings, but below the radar. McCain has never been the poster boy for ultra-conservatism, and probably stiil has some haters amongst the top GOP ranks.

With GH Bush, at least he had Reagan's presidency (as well as Dukakis) to counteract the numbing effect of Quayle. McCain has neither the luxury of coattailing a successful presidency, nor the benefit of a bumbling opponent. This is where Palin comes in. She is so "out of touch", so bumbling and ignorant, that the decision to choose her HAD to have been deliberatly planned. There is no way in Hell the GOP didn't know about all of this crap, and there is no way in Hell McCain is allowed to choose his VP without GOP approval.

I'm just waiting for her to break down in tears and scream: "You're just hating on me because I'm a woman!!!". At that point, the candidacy will be ovah.

I realize there are both parties on the panel, but the big boys from Dems headed up there to pour as much gas on this thing as they can.
Wow, thats so pussy Tahoe. You cut your balls off making that excuse. Are you saying there was something to pour gas on? Are your Republicans in Alaska pussies to Democrat pressure? If so what does that say about Palin?

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Wow, thats so pussy Tahoe. You cut your balls off making that excuse. Are you saying there was something to pour gas on? Are your Republicans in Alaska pussies to Democrat pressure? If so what does that say about Palin?

You should try to stop hating so much. Its not good for you.

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I'm saving that.

You should try to stop hating so much. Its not good for you.
in other words u have no answer. lol

McCain has neither the luxury of coattailing a successful presidency, nor the benefit of a bumbling opponent.


I honestly don't see what's so exciting about an Obama/Biden ticket.

If you had Obama/Hillary, then you'd be getting somewhere, but Biden doesn't help anything at all. At least Palin doesn't turn off any of the GOP, and she's going to get some of Hillary's supporters to vote Repub, even if it's just a small amount.


Plus, McCain isn't W's VP anyway, so he's not even worth comparing to Quayle.

in other words u have no answer. lol

Heres (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU) some of the story from an Anchorage paper.

I clicked the link Tahoe and found a sloppy Alaskan whore posing as VP. :)


At least Palin doesn't turn off any of the GOP, and she's going to get some of Hillary's supporters to vote Repub, even if it's just a small amount.
You harp on unprovable shit when people speak on Palin then blurt out gut feeling nonsense like this. Still trying to have it both ways? lol..

Honestly I doubt any candidate could put off the GOP as long as they play neo conservative ball after they get in. No freethinking Colin Powells or Arnold Swarzeneggars who jump outside the box when shit starts to stink or turn down the lobbyists in pocket(waiting for you to call the compromising McCain a maverick...lol). Palin doesnt scare away any Republicans, in fact she comes across as docile enough to do what's told on the Party line. But maybe she's a maverick in disguise too.

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And yes that's her.
http://www.adn.com/photos/sarah-palin/v-gallery/story/512227.html

AM radio host suspended
Alaska Politics Blog
Anchorage Daily News
By Julia O’Malley

Anchorage AM radio host Eddie Burke was suspended after broadcasting the names and phone numbers of organizers for “the Alaska Women Reject Palin,” rally, which drew 1500 people on Saturday. Burke called the organizers of the rally “socialist, baby-killing maggots” reported Julia O’Malley of the Alaska Politics blog of the Anchorage Daily News. Burke was suspended by KBYR-AM 700 without pay for one week. Burke's tirade led to angry profane and in some cases threatening voice mail messages for the two women mentioned on the air.


In the afternoon’s only reference to GOP VP candidate Sarah Palin, the Secretaries of State were asked if they were in consensus that human beings are contributing to global warming. Albright drew laughter and applause when she quipped that there was consensus “except in Alaska." It was obviously a reference to previous statements Palin has made questioning whether human activity plays a role in global warming.

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Well, they are "soul mates" after all.

The authors of 261 and 262 were RR'd. I just know it.

I believe the metaphor you're looking for is "I can see Russia from my house."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/21/politics/fromtheroad/entry4464116.shtml

A senior campaign aide who agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity admitted that Palin's knowledge of Russia may be limited to the way someone from Miami might obtain a general feel for Latin America.

“It is very much being able to look off the tip of Alaska,” the aide said. “Metaphorically, I'm talking about.”

A senior campaign aide who agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity

Sure...

It sounded so dumb I could believe a political aid (or Knicks fan) might have said it.

CNN threatened to not film her photo-op with world leaders at the UN unless the media were allowed the access that the campaign had promised but flopped on:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/More_on_Palin_press_protection.html

And, an atheist at Newsweek just lit her on fire:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/output/print


What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. Watching her deny to Gibson that she had ever harbored the slightest doubt about her readiness to take command of the world's only superpower, one got the feeling that Palin would gladly assume any responsibility on earth:

"Governor Palin, are you ready at this moment to perform surgery on this child's brain?"

"Of course, Charlie. I have several boys of my own, and I'm an avid hunter."

"But governor, this is neurosurgery, and you have no training as a surgeon of any kind."

"That's just the point, Charlie. The American people want change in how we make medical decisions in this country. And when faced with a challenge, you cannot blink."

She looks like the deer with head lights shinning in its eyes or whatever that saying is.

Man, I fucked that one up, but I'm not going to edit it.

You know she's dissing the media when Fox News complains about it:
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/23/palin-media-blackout-continues/

It is traditional for the press traveling with a candidate to have some relationship with the candidate and special access because of all the hours logged on the plane and on the campaign trail. But, Palin still has not come back to answer any questions or talk to her press corps. The only time the press has met the Alaska governor is on her first solo flight three weeks ago and it was off the record. We shook hands with Palin and she was quickly ushered back to the front of the plane behind a gray curtain where she has remained for the three and a half weeks she has been a candidate.

This latest bit about Troopergate is sadly amusing:
http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/534119.html

Less than a week after balking at the Legislature's investigation into her alleged abuse of power, Gov. Sarah Palin on Monday indicated she will cooperate with a separate probe run by people she can fire.
Yup, that's a highly ethical ethics probe...

This is the first Palin VP Joke (I just thought of it):

"Hopefully, McCain will croak while President, so that when Palin takes over she'll be the first president to GIVE a blow job in the Oval Office. Well, at least as far as we know. Not to sure about that Herbert Hoover guy"

Palin p0wn3d by Campbell Brown -- must see!
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Palin p0wn3d by Campbell Brown -- must see!


Classic.

Laura Bush disses Palin's foreign policy experience:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/laura-bush-says-palin-lacks-foreign-policy-experience/

(CNN) — First Lady Laura Bush told CNN Wednesday Sarah Palin lacks experience in foreign policy, but quickly added the Alaska governor is "a very quick study."

Asked by CNN's Zain Verjee if she thought Palin's resume included sufficient foreign policy experience, Bush said, "Of course she doesn't have that."

"You know, that's not been her role," she continued, "

saw the katie couric interview....Ouch...Didnt start off well. Maybe they should put all VP debates on hold to fix the economy.

Palin p0wn3d by Campbell Brown -- must see!
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This is why the Republican convention was so good. The candidates don't have to be seeen through some douche baggetes partisan view.

What? How is any convention not partisan?

Why the fuck do I need some douche bagget like c brown telling me what I should think about Palin?

Especially through her partisan biased view.

Go straight to the source.

Unless they won't let the source talk....

I agree with that, sink or swim with her. But when she went straight to the peeps, she won.

Don't let the liberal elite media frame you. Which they have tried, and continue to try.

I agree with that, sink or swim with her. But when she went straight to the peeps, she won.

Don't let the liberal elite media frame you. Which they have tried, and continue to try.

do you and wil exist to confirm every stereotype that i have about people who vote republican?

Another fine moment in Palin cluelessness...

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Oops, Palin's got a Pastor problem.

Hers likes to go on witch hunts, literally.

Why the fuck do I need some douche bagget like c brown telling me what I should think about Palin?
Cool, tell all of us where she told you what to think. I saw it and saw her making a point to the GOP and its sheltering of Palin, which IS sexism.


Why the fuck do I need some douche bagget like c brown telling me what I should think about Palin?

Especially through her partisan biased view.

Go straight to the source.
There isnt much source because she's being sheltered from the media as a frail woman, which is sexist. And since you can't even answer half the questions posed upon you to test your overwhelming conservative loyalty, what's the point of taking your hypocrisy further by bashing a woman for making a solid statement? It is sexist. She's the GOP flower girl, and with good reason after that Couric interview. Hillary wasn't this off limits for you, man up and stop being a pussy about the pussy on your team.


I agree with that, sink or swim with her. But when she went straight to the peeps, she won.
Won what?. A republican convention is not "Str8 to the peeps" Its scripted speech to the home base which would cheer for a crackhead up there as long as he was on the ticket and attacked Liberals. Again another hypocrisy you'd just as soon run from rather that come up with a legit response.

Another fine moment in Palin cluelessness...
The beginning of that interview, where she was clearly struggling to recite memorized talking points while walking with Couric, was equally painful.

As part of suspending the campaign, the McCain camp has been talking about rescheduling the VP debate. Given Palin's performance with a week to go before that debate, I can't blame them for wanting to dodge Biden and Ifill. I think that someone realized that, by setting up the VP debate rules to limit it to short questions, Palin actually has to regurgitate on more different subjects. Doh!

As part of suspending the campaign, the McCain camp has been talking about rescheduling the VP debate. Given Palin's performance with a week to go before that debate, I can't blame them for wanting to dodge Biden and Ifill. I think that someone realized that, by setting up the VP debate rules to limit it to short questions, Palin actually has to regurgitate on more different subjects. Doh!


Exactly. I think they're hoping that this gimmick that he pulled yesterday will give him an entree to bump the VP debate.

God I hope the Obama campaign stands firm on this.

Oops, Palin's got a Pastor problem.

Hers likes to go on witch hunts, literally.


When he lived in Kenya he went on "witchhunts". Kenya has issues with witchcraft and people burning down churches, so if he was to be a christian pastor in a country that has so much evil, you can't allow that type of garbage to be amongst your congregation.

But again, Olbermann doesn't want you to know that part of the story.

Totally opposite of Rev. Wright, who's just a marxist.

When he lived in Kenya he went on "witchhunts". Kenya has issues with witchcraft and people burning down churches, so if he was to be a christian pastor in a country that has so much evil, you can't allow that type of garbage to be amongst your congregation.


Well he wasn't in Kenya when he "laid hands on her" and was preaching about protecting her from witchcraft, he was right here in the US.

Dude leads witchhunts and you are calling someone else's former pastor an extremist?

Obama has renounced Wright and his comments, will Palin do the same?

LOL

The opposite of a marxist is a witch hunter. Update your political diagrams accordingly.

Another fine moment in Palin cluelessness...

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Dude, just...wow.

Seems like it's right out of Fargo.

Well he wasn't in Kenya when he "laid hands on her" and was preaching about protecting her from witchcraft, he was right here in the US.

Dude leads witchhunts and you are calling someone else's former pastor an extremist?

Obama has renounced Wright and his comments, will Palin do the same?

LOL

Glenn,

You act like he was trying to expel demons from her. Praying for God's blessings is a pretty normal thing in both America and the world.

Fool, this thread is named "LOL @ Palin"... not "Defend Palin."

So stop it.

I'm not sure how I "acted" that way with my post, but I just read what I wrote again and stand by it.

They tried to drag Obama down with Wright and now part of their ticket is speaking in tongues and giving credit to a guy that leads witch hunts for getting her elected as Governor.

You have to sense the hypocrisy here, no?

Witchcraft is an amazing thing. It's been pursued and punished by religious leaders for centuries, and occasional outbreaks of paranoid and hysterical witchcraft memes have been responsible for the deaths of maybe hundreds of thousands of people in history.

You would think that in all this time there would be some kind of, you know, evidence, that such a thing has ever actually existed.

Sadly, no. Everyone who's ever been accused of "witchcraft" has done nothing of the sort, because no such thing exists. You'd think that in the 21st century people would have figured this out.

I'm not sure how I "acted" that way with my post, but I just read what I wrote again and stand by it.

Fine, if you want to parse words you link the two (praying for her and mentioning witchcraft in his sermon) as though he were praying to keep her safe from witchcraft which is not accurate at all. He prayed for God's favor on her which you will find at EVERY Sunday sermon in America.



They tried to drag Obama down with Wright and now part of their ticket is speaking in tongues and giving credit to a guy that leads witch hunts for getting her elected as Governor.

You have to sense the hypocrisy here, no?

I do, and I see it in the direction you are going as well. I don't think it was right what they did but that doesn't justify turning around and doing it right back to them.

Just admit that you love and support witchcraft and we can move on.

Pointing out hypocrisy is not "doing the same thing" that they did to Obama.

I just cannot fathom how somebody, even as partisan as Tahoe and Wil, can support Palin. Forget Palin the "person" -- this is a "candidate" who's, basically, getting a 50 day crash course on national and world politics.

Ooooooo, she met with world leaders! Of course, the media coverage was closely controlled. And how do you think those world leaders view us now? Here is a person with ZERO knowledge a little more than a month away, and one heartattack away, from the most powerful position in the world? The longer this draws out, the worse it will become.

Instead of praising Palin, how about a fair comparison between Palin and Biden. No...wait.... the campaign wants the delay THAT, too.

Haha. Osama Bin Laden... Obama with Biden. Hahahahaha. Ahhh fuck it. Palin's still scarier than that.

Here is a person with ZERO knowledge a little more than a month away, and one heartattack away, from the most powerful position in the world?

The actuary tables say that McCain has only a 1 in 3 chance of making it to age 80.

Palin won't reveal her finances until after debate

By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – Sarah Palin requested and received an extension of the deadline for revealing her personal finances, until the day after her only debate with Democrat Joe Biden.

The Republican vice presidential candidate received a four-day extension Thursday from the Federal Election Commission.

The federal financial disclosure report was initially due next Monday. Now, Palin has until Oct. 3, the day after her debate in St. Louis with Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee.

Earlier this month, Biden released a decade of personal financial records that showed the veteran U.S. senator from Delaware earned less than many of his congressional colleagues. For example, Biden and his wife, Jill, earned $319,853 in 2007. On Thursday, Biden submitted an updated report to the Federal Election Commission

Presidential, vice presidential and congressional candidates must all file ethics reports outlining their assets and liabilities. That includes such things as sources of income, real estate held for investment purposes, stocks and debt.

Trevor Potter, general counsel for the McCain-Palin campaign, told the FEC that the campaign initially thought it had until Oct. 4 to file the report, but then learned the FEC set an earlier due date.

Well, isn't that convenient?

Not if they postpone the thing.

She is looking pretty green, imo. Not that I can tell whats going on, or not going on, in that noggin of hers but if you can take anything away from how she looks, it ain't good.

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I'm going to remove my eyeballs now. Thanks, Mxy.

Well he wasn't in Kenya when he "laid hands on her" and was preaching about protecting her from witchcraft, he was right here in the US.

Dude leads witchhunts and you are calling someone else's former pastor an extremist?

Obama has renounced Wright and his comments, will Palin do the same?

LOL


It's the same as praying protection on somebody from evil.

Palin doesn't have to renounce her pastor, because what he did isn't going to be portrayed as anti-American or completely foul.

Palin is a member of the Assemblies of God Church. That's the same denomination of Christianity that I myself was brought up in and per wiki it's the fastest growing form of Christianity in America. It's values are the exact same as any other form of Christianity (Baptist; Methodist; Catholic; Lutheran). When I grew up, I never had a minister pray to protect somebody from witchcraft, but the word witchcraft can also be portrayed as a form of evil, which could then allude to keeping Palin safe from anything that would be harmful to her or her family.

All ministers pray for their congregation, no matter what church you attend.

The book of Psalms offers many scriptures that deal with praying for protection from harm, terror, and evil.

And considering majority of Christians are Republicans, there's nothing to make of it.

Obama's pastor was also Christian, but you aren't going to find pastors from a Baptist church swearing in their sermon. Pastors are meant to teach through God's word (The Bible), Rev. Wright didn't do that, he was being an activist first, and a pastor second.

Which is why he stepped down.

And considering majority of Christians are Republicans, there's nothing to make of it.


I think you meant to say the majority of republicans are christian. Word order actually makes a very important difference there.

I think you meant to say the majority of republicans are christian. Word order actually makes a very important difference there.



Well, I just think through historic voting trends that the the Republican party has successfully positioned itself as the "party of Christianity".

Many Christians view abortion as murder, and homosexuality as a sin, just as they are in the Bible.

When you hear that type of stuff from the man at the pulpet at mass or sermons every Sunday, it's obvious who the churches campaign for.

I'm not taking a stab at Christians who vote Democrat, so if it comes off that way, I apologize.

Many Christians view abortion as murder, and homosexuality as a sin, just as they are in the Bible.

That's true. It's also true that many christians view christian concepts as helping the poor, tending the sick and working for peace as equally high, if not higher priority than using the government as a tool to stamp out sin.

While they all share a belief in god and christ, they certainly aren't monolithic in terms of how that shakes out in terms of policy and political affiliation.



When you hear that type of stuff from the man at the pulpet at mass or sermons every Sunday, it's obvious who the churches campaign for.


Depends on the demographics of the church. People tend to gravitate towards churches that reinforce their values and priorities. Or to whatever church the wife/girlfriend drags them too.


I'm not taking a stab at Christians who vote Democrat, so if it comes off that way, I apologize.

No apology necessary. What you said wouldn't have offended me even if I were religious. Which I'm not. At all. But that's another discussion entirely.

That's true. It's also true that many christians view christian concepts as helping the poor, tending the sick and working for peace as equally high, if not higher priority than using the government as a tool to stamp out sin.

While they all share a belief in god and christ, they certainly aren't monolithic in terms of how that shakes out in terms of policy and political affiliation.


Depends on the demographics of the church. People tend to gravitate towards churches that reinforce their values and priorities. Or to whatever church the wife/girlfriend drags them too.


No apology necessary. What you said wouldn't have offended me even if I were religious. Which I'm not. At all. But that's another discussion entirely.

All fair points...

Perhaps you've convinced me a bit.

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I'm going to remove my eyeballs now. Thanks, Mxy.

Put your eyeballs back in for this!
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Many Christians view abortion as murder, and homosexuality as a sin, just as they are in the Bible.

When you hear that type of stuff from the man at the pulpet at mass or sermons every Sunday, it's obvious who the churches campaign for.
Church-going Christians is a subset of Christians, AFAICT. Only 20-25% of Americans go to church on a regular basis, but far more will self-identify as Christians to a nominal degree.

As an aside, there's a lot of guilt about lack of church attendance. If you ask specifically about church attendance in polls, you'll get something like 40%. But it turns out that a LARGE amount of Christians will lie (another sin) about their church attendance habits. You either have to ask them for what they did over their weekend and see if church ever comes up. In extreme cases, there's no way that the churches in the geography could ever support the population who claim to attend. A lot of the research on this was done at U-Michigan, as it turns out.

I'm surprised no one has posted the National Review piece yet.

I can't read, otherwise I would.

Point
Gov. Palin Has No Foreign Policy Experience, Refuses To Acknowledge Global Warming, And Supports The War In Iraq
http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Palin_pt.jpg
By Roger Hobaugh, Concerned Citizen
Roger Hobaugh

* Palin Unveils 9/11 Firefighter Cousin, Reformed Lesbian Niece, Naturalized Mexican Half Brother September 16, 2008
* Kissinger Instructs Palin On Finer Points Of Clandestine Carpet Bombing September 24, 2008

There may be no better word to describe John McCain's vice presidential pick than "ridiculous."

After months of criticizing Sen. Obama for his inexperience with foreign policy, McCain has chosen quite possibly the least experienced woman in politics to serve as his second-in-command. How little experience does Palin have, you ask? She was a part-time mayor of a tiny Alaska town and then governor of one of the least populous states in the union for less than two years. Palin has never met with any foreign leaders of any kind—in fact, she only applied for a U.S. passport last year!

In this time of international turmoil, how could McCain, a man who would become the oldest candidate ever elected, select a novice like Palin knowing she would be one heartbeat away from having to step into the presidency and protect our nation? The mere notion that Palin is even remotely equipped to manage the ongoing war on terror is an out-and-out fantasy dreamt up by the Republican party to disguise why they really selected her: to attract female and evangelical voters in a desperate attempt to win the election at any cost—even if it means sacrificing our nation's security.

McCain has chosen for his running mate a woman who is so set in the past that she supports abstinence-only education despite its failure among her own children; a woman who claims she is not convinced that global warming is a serious issue. Palin has time and again supported needless and ecologically destructive drilling in Alaska's wildlife reserves—drilling that McCain himself is ardently opposed to—yet offers no plan for the very real and proven threat of climate change, despite the danger it poses to her home state.

Perhaps the most frightening prospect of putting Palin in the White House is her continued support of the failing war in Iraq—a war she called "a task that is from God." Electing Sarah Palin and John McCain in November will no doubt prolong this costly and unwinnable conflict, which every day claims the lives of more American troops and sinks our country further into debt.

Palin is not a bold new choice for America. I have no doubt she will provide the same type of irresponsible and flat-out dangerous leadership we've seen from President Bush for the past eight years. That is, if she provides any leadership at all.

Counterpoint
Please Keep Your Voice Down, My Poor Retarded Child Is Sleeping

By Gov. Sarah Palin, Republican Vice Presidential Nominee
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Shhhh!

Could you please stop tearing apart my record so loudly? I just put my special needs child down for a nap. You remember my poor, Down syndrome baby, don't you? The developmentally disabled child I carried to term despite knowing that he had special needs? The child who would be helpless without my constant care and attention? Well, he's just nodded off, and if you continue to provide such damning evidence of my inexperience in both foreign and domestic policy, you'll wake him.

You wouldn't want him to start crying, would you?

It's very rude of you to keep pointing out the myriad reasons I am unfit to be the governor of Alaska, much less vice president of the United States of America, when you know my Down syndrome–afflicted son is trying to get some much-needed rest. If you wanted to question my qualifications as a leader, you should have thought of that sooner, like, say, before I gave birth to a retarded child who would probably starve to death if I weren't so selflessly and courageously dedicated to him.

Actually, he'll probably be sleeping for a while, so maybe it would be best if you came back later. Perhaps this afternoon, or in a couple of months. It's just that he gets so tired having to struggle with even the simplest tasks that you and I take for granted. Because my special needs son has Down syndrome, you see. My child has Down syndrome. And, as the mother of a baby with Down syndrome, I would appreciate it if you stopped bringing up my nonexistent energy plan while he sleeps there, like an angel.

My beautiful, special needs angel.

I assure you, I have every intention of responding to your claims. Sarah Palin does not run from a challenge. Like the challenge of raising a child with Down syndrome. That's what I've been doing for five months now, and let me tell you, it is hard work. But I wouldn't trade a moment of it for anything in the world, not even for more time to respond to the gaping holes you've just punched in my candidacy. Did I mention he has Down syndrome?

Now, if you'll please back away quietly without saying anything else—especially about my recent comments regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and how they illustrate my complete lack of even a basic understanding of our economy—I'll forget this whole thing ever happened.

And so will my vote-stealing retard baby.
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Alright you lazy bastards, here is the National Review piece.

And if you don't know what perspective the National Review comes from, they were Fox News before Fox News was Fox News.


Palin Problem
She’s out of her league.

By Kathleen Parker

If at one time women were considered heretical for swimming upstream against feminist orthodoxy, they now face condemnation for swimming downstream — away from Sarah Palin.

To express reservations about her qualifications to be vice president — and possibly president — is to risk being labeled anti-woman.

Or, as I am guilty of charging her early critics, supporting only a certain kind of woman.

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick — what a difference a financial crisis makes — and a more complicated picture has emerged.

As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan’s president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)

And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she’s had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).

Finally, Palin’s narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

By the way, I know that it's just satire, but that piece from the Onion is way below the belt, IMO.

Sarah Palin wears belts?

Sarah Palin wears belts?

Garter.

Tahoe can't get off the "liberal elite" talking point that Rush feeds him on a daily basis.
Shame on the Democrats for offering up "elite" candidates and media. It would be so much better if we had "regular" guys who we "wanted to have a beer with" run the country instead of educated candidates who worked their way into and through their education instead of having their daddy sneak 'em in.
Yeah, why don't we just give the presidency over to the 7-11 midnight clerk from Inkster. He isn't "elite" and he might do a better job of it than say a former coke-headed alcoholic who ran a baseball team into the ground and turned Texas into Afghanistan.

Zips back!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/muzikal203/McBush/Moose.jpg

While Biden does post-debate spin, Palin's hanging out at the bar. Really.

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080927_Palin_grabs_a_seat_at_the_bar.html

Palin can't even eat cheesesteak without breaking ranks with McCain on foreign policy issues:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/palin-supports.html

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/JohnCampanelli/putinrearshishead.jpg
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/09/26/trade_missions/index.html

Fortunately, John McCain just told us that Palin doesn't speak for the campaign:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odXbTdvHCik

I'm sure everyone was starting to worry...

Palin and ethics charges:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_el_pr/palin_ethics

She gladly accepted gifts from merchants: A free "awesome facial" she raved about in a thank-you note to a spa. The "absolutely gorgeous flowers" she received from a welding supply store. Even fresh salmon to take home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMypXCUWMw

More to come from Palin-Couric

Howie Kurtz raised some eyebrows by reporting this morning that "the worst may be yet to come for Palin; sources say CBS has two more responses on tape that will likely prove embarrassing."

A source familiar with CBS News’ plans clarified that this is part of the "Vice Presidential Questions" series with Biden and Palin. The recorded segments are scheduled to air Wednesday and Thursday before the vice presidential debate. (The series is based on the Presidential Questions series, in which Couric asks the candidates the same set of questions on wide range of topics from policy to character to leadership.)

No word on the content.

Well that first part wasn't that bad imo, cuz I doubt BO could name a bunch of Bidens legislation either.

Yeah, he could. Remember, besides sitting in the Senate together and occasionally working on legislation, Obama and Biden were crossing paths throughout 2007 when they were both running for President.

Glenn, can you or anyone else here give me a good reason why CBS didn't air the stuff that they're saying is especially bad? Who in the hell benefits from that?

CBS. They are gathering an audience.

From what I gather from that slug in post #328, they asked the same set of questions to all 4 on the ticket and were waiting until they had responses from all four before airing them.

At least that is my interpretation.

cuz I doubt BO could name a bunch of Bidens legislation either.

Yeah, he could.
http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/pwnt-31487.jpg

CBS. They are gathering an audience.

:cogent:

BTW, it wasn't my intent to bitchslap Tahoe on that point. I'm just saying that I'm pretty sure it's a factually wrong assertion. I don't want to spend a lot of time digging into that because I'm investigating an alternative lifestyle involving poverty at the moment.

BTW, it wasn't my intent to bitchslap Tahoe on that point. I'm just saying that I'm pretty sure it's a factually wrong assertion. I don't want to spend a lot of time digging into that because I'm investigating an alternative lifestyle involving poverty at the moment.

YIKES!

The other part is basically what goes on around here. I say one thing, someone else says something else (mostly opinion) and I'm the one that is percieved to be bitch slapped. Thats why its pointless discussing EVERY LIL THING. Even if I do post a link, the link gets dissed, etc. Whatever, i still love the place believe it or not. And we still do have good discussions but they are getting less and less as we get closer and closer to the election.

YIKES!

The other part is basically what goes on around here. I say one thing, someone else says something else (mostly opinion) and I'm the one that is percieved to be bitch slapped. Thats why its pointless discussing EVERY LIL THING. Even if I do post a link, the link gets dissed, etc. Whatever, i still love the place believe it or not. And we still do have good discussions but they are getting less and less as we get closer and closer to the election.

BTW...Can I get a couple big fat WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHs? Please!

Maybe a couple of tissues?

Anything like that would be coo :)

YIKES!

The other part is basically what goes on around here. I say one thing, someone else says something else (mostly opinion) and I'm the one that is percieved to be bitch slapped. Thats why its pointless discussing EVERY LIL THING. Even if I do post a link, the link gets dissed, etc. Whatever, i still love the place believe it or not. And we still do have good discussions but they are getting less and less as we get closer and closer to the election.

Pulling the victim card is my gimmick. So suck it the fuck up and stop acting like a LIL bitch.

I swear, this disrespect is REALLY pissing me off.

YIKES!
Let's just say I'm doing ok, but I hate Black Mondays. Thus far, my investments have kept ahead of the market, but that's not saying much.


The other part is basically what goes on around here. I say one thing, someone else says something else (mostly opinion) and I'm the one that is percieved to be bitch slapped. Thats why its pointless discussing EVERY LIL THING. Even if I do post a link, the link gets dissed, etc. Whatever, i still love the place believe it or not. And we still do have good discussions but they are getting less and less as we get closer and closer to the election.
I try to discuss stuff that amuses me, or which I think might amuse or maybe enlighten someone else. At the end of the day, I'd gladly have a drink at the bar with Tahoe, watch the Pistons, shoot the shit. Of course, he's under one Dating Game Governor and most of us here are under another, so that's not likely to happen often or soon. But who knows...

I figure with the Pistons coming up, we'll have more to talk about than the greatest reality TV show of the year.

340...I'm getting really, really burnt on politics. I think you were there a while back. I keep looking for the Pistons myself. Can't wait.

And also, BO will prolly move even more to the center come Prez time as will JM. Ya wonder how much difference it will all make.

Pulling the victim card is my gimmick. So suck it the fuck up and stop acting like a LIL bitch.

I swear, this disrespect is REALLY pissing me off.

Ok, sniffle, sniffle. I'm going to go out, quit sniffling and start making a difference in the world. Yea, thats it! Be somebody!

Ah, fuck it, I'm going to go have a beer and find more stuff to bitch about.

340...I'm getting really, really burnt on politics. .
Actually it comes with only supporting one party no matter whose on the ticket.

Actually it comes with only supporting one party no matter whose on the ticket.

Wrong again but roll with that.

I think I voted for 3 Dems for Prez. <--off the top of my head

Wrong again but roll with that.
Yea We know, your eternal excuse. Yet the media is liberal and Foxnews is golden. Tell us whatever things you want from your past. But you're pretty partisan at the moment.

I'm conservative and the thieving fucking Repubs are the closest thing to what I expect from a Gov.

Mxy's Presidential voting history:

2004 - Kerry (strictly anti-Bush vote -- I much preferred Dean)
2000 - Gore (largely anti-Bush vote -- I could've lived with McCain 2000)
1996 - Clinton (Congress needed a counter-weight)
1992 - Perot (who I was strongly FOR, gave some money/time to)
1988 - Bush (Dukak-ass just rubbed me the wrong way)
I didn't vote in 1984 -- it's called a Reagan landslide.

Actually it comes with only supporting one party no matter whose on the ticket.

Kind of remind me of you

Yea We know, your eternal excuse. Yet the media is liberal and Foxnews is golden. Tell us whatever things you want from your past. But you're pretty partisan at the moment.

And yours is...

Yea We know, your eternal excuse. Yet the media is Conservative and MSNBC is golden. You're pretty partisan at the moment.

Mxy's Presidential voting history:

2004 - Kerry (strictly anti-Bush vote -- I much preferred Dean)
2000 - Gore (largely anti-Bush vote -- I could've lived with McCain 2000)
1996 - Clinton (Congress needed a counter-weight)
1992 - Perot (who I was strongly FOR, gave some money/time to)
1988 - Bush (Dukak-ass just rubbed me the wrong way)
I didn't vote in 1984 -- it's called a Reagan landslide.

Didn't vote 76
80 Carter <---dumbass
84 didn't vote....out of the country, still unamerican.
88 Bush
92 Clinton
96 Voted for 2 peeps that didn't know what city they were in.
Bush
Bush

And yours is...

Yea We know, your eternal excuse. Yet the media is Conservative and MSNBC is golden. You're pretty partisan at the moment.
Life would be convenient if that were true. Then you could repeat what i say all the way through. Unfortunately its not. I take all news with a grain of salt, but you'd be pretty slow to look past FoxNews agenda. I know FoxNews teaches you to think that if I'm not with FN i must be with the other guys, which is again why you sound so lost in the first place.

Life would be convenient if that were true. Then you could repeat what i say all the way through. Unfortunately its not. I take all news with a grain of salt, but you'd be pretty slow to look past FoxNews agenda. I know FoxNews teaches you to think that if I'm not with FN i must be with the other guys, which is again why you sound so lost in the first place.

LMAO!

Ok, I got my breath back from laughing so hard. Ok, you are Mr 'fair and balanced'

You are the one who can 'evaluate the news' and only you. You can see bias, but no one else can, only you. That was good. I needed a good laugh.

Kind of remind me of you
Cool, soon as the dems grab a soccer mom from alaska or have a grumpy maverick change his policy to fit everyone elses in the party, you can find out.

LMAO!

Ok, I got my breath back from laughing so hard. Ok, you are Mr 'fair and balanced'

You are the one who can 'evaluate the news' and only you. You can see bias, but no one else can, only you. That was good. I needed a good laugh.
Damn you're stupid as shit. And damn you are bent on putting words in my mouth.

Ok, I got my breath back from laughing so hard. Ok, you are Mr 'fair and balanced'
Never said i was, dont kill yourself off shit you make up in your head T.


You are the one who can 'evaluate the news' and only you.
Nope, but you can't and only you right now is laughing.


You can see bias, but no one else can, only you.
You mean you in plural because the LOL@Foxnews thread hasn't been a ghost town.


That was good. I needed a good laugh.
This is why you love Bush, he's the only guy who can laugh about not making any point at all and be dumb as shit, yet still get away with it as the republican's sacred cow in office. Problem is that you're not him and just come off dumb as shit. I'm really not trying to be offensive, just giving the seriousness of your fake pathetic reply of internet laughter. it's replies like that getting you smashed on these topics.

Damn you're stupid as shit. And damn you are bent on putting words in my mouth.

Never said i was, dont kill yourself off shit you make up in your head T.


Nope, but you can't and only you right now is laughing.


You mean you in plural because the LOL@Foxnews thread hasn't been a ghost town.


This is why you love Bush, he's the only guy who can laugh about not making any point at all and be dumb as shit, yet still get away with it as the republican's sacred cow in office. Problem is that you're not him and just come off dumb as shit. I'm really not trying to be offensive, just giving the seriousness of your fake pathetic reply of internet laughter. it's replies like that getting you smashed on these topics.

^ Good stuff.

On the Palin front, the rumor is that she was asked to talk about Supreme Court decisions besides Roe Vs. Wade and couldn't name a Supreme Court decision.

Thursday is D Day!

340...I'm getting really, really burnt on politics. I think you were there a while back.
I was getting bored with it. It was the middle of summer. I have a life (and a lot of shitty things going on that were distracting).

Then Sarah Palin came in and energized my base!!! WOOHOO!!! :)

Try and make sense of Palin's response to Couric's question...


CNN: You don't think she is qualified?
Zakaria: No. Gov. Palin has been given a set of talking points by campaign advisers, simple ideological mantras that she repeats and repeats as long as she can. But if forced off those rehearsed lines, what she has to say is often, quite frankly -- nonsense. Just listen to her response to Katie Couric's question about the bailout. It's gibberish -- an emptying out of catchphrases about economics that have nothing to do with the question or the topic. It's scary to think that this person could be running the country.


Here is their exchange:
Katie Couric: Why isn't it better, Gov. Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?
Gov. Sarah Palin: That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/National_Economy), helping the -- it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.


This is from a CNN article here (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/29/zakaria.sarah.palin/index.html)

Katie Couric: Why isn't it better, Gov. Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

I've heard a lot of peeps say that question isn't even correct.

Can't deny that middle-class people spend almost every dime of their paychecks, putting it back into the economy. Wealthy people don't necessarily do that.

Katie Couric: Why isn't it better, Gov. Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

I've heard a lot of peeps say that question isn't even correct.

If Palin feels that way, she should be able to articulate that point. I'm not sure what her point really was in that answer.

If Palin feels that way, she should be able to articulate that point. I'm not sure what her point really was in that answer.

I agree. Its like the JM house gaf....I said a lot of things at the time but one of them was he should have said, none of your business, or get it from the public records. He didn't answer that question right.

It definately shows green on her part.

I think they rushed her to the national stage way too fast. She's simply not ready. She may have been a good candidate down the road but she's too green for the job right now. If she was a pick by Romney it might not be such a big deal, but with an older candidate like McCain it makes it that much more important to have someone ready on day 1.

I think they rushed her to the national stage way too fast. She's simply not ready. She may have been a good candidate down the road but she's too green for the job right now. If she was a pick by Romney it might not be such a big deal, but with an older candidate like McCain it makes it that much more important to have someone ready on day 1.

somewhat off-topic but, Does a campaign really determine the best candidate?

I honestly would like a regular old person (if you can consider a Gov a regular peson...but follow along here) to be a Prez or Veep someday. But the process/interview/campaign weeds out all the regular peeps, cuz we feel they are not ready.

I think a regular person would prolly do just fine once in office, but I don't think they could handle the campaign. From what I've read a long time ago, the Prez doesn't come up with these plans, he has soooo much support that all these options are layed before him with goods and bads to all and then just makes a choice. Maybe a lil oversimplification, but you get my drift. Its kind of like BO has been saying all along, do you want experience or judgement? What good is experience if you made wrong decisions your entire career.

I'm not bringing up this topic at a good time cuz it'll be taken as I'm argueing for Palin. Maybe next summer or something. I just really hate our process. I'm not saying I know what it should be, but this back and forth negative crap is not good, imo.

With that said, no, she doesn't seem ready at least the way we do things today.

I honestly would like a regular old person (if you can consider a Gov a regular peson...but follow along here) to be a Prez or Veep someday. But the process/interview/campaign weeds out all the regular peeps, cuz we feel they are not ready.

I think a regular person would prolly do just fine once in office, but I don't think they could handle the campaign. From what I've read a long time ago, the Prez doesn't come up with these plans, he has soooo much support that all these options are layed before him with goods and bads to all and then just makes a choice. Maybe a lil oversimplification, but you get my drift. Its kind of like BO has been saying all along, do you want experience or judgement? What good is experience if you made wrong decisions your entire career.


You don't have to be a great speaker to run the country, but having almost no ability to talk about any important political topic that you haven't been given talking points on is very bad. I don't think experience trumps judgment, but you can't have a basic lack of knowledge. That is the problem with Palin. It's lack of experience coupled with a lack of knowledge.

Deadly combination for us.

somewhat off-topic but, Does a campaign really determine the best candidate?
Can the American people really determine who's best to lead them?


I think a regular person would prolly do just fine once in office, but I don't think they could handle the campaign.
I dunno about that. Being President is a hard job. I don't think I could be President.


I just really hate our process. I'm not saying I know what it should be, but this back and forth negative crap is not good, imo.
The president will get a ton of heat once they're president. They better be able to deal with it.

But back to LOL@Palin... looks like she caused an international incident with her dickteasery:

http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/story.aspx?id=NEWEN20080067097&ch=9/29/2008%208:02:00%20PM

Oh, and Palin will be showing more cleavage:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/In_reintroduction_Palin_to_do_more_interviews_and_ tell_her_story.html

Tacitly acknowledging criticism that she's been diminished in part by an overly protective media shield, Sarah Palin will take a more forward-leaning approach and do additional interviews in the weeks ahead, a top aide said today.

I'm saving my lols for Thursday. The biggest issue for Biden will be not coming across like an ass because it will be too easy to destroy her. I'm not even a big Biden fan, but she will surprise everybody if she doesn't fuck that debate up bad.

Palin pwnd by NORAD!
http://www.wgntv.com/landing_election_news/?McCain-campaign-tries-to-explain-Palins-=1&blockID=75303&feedID=21

Leno made fun of Palin last night because she said Biden has been in the senate since she was in grade school. Does she realize she has a 72 year old running mate?

Couric asks Palin what magazines she read to keep up on political news...she says all of them:

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BTW, Alaska is not it's own country.

Leno made fun of Palin last night because she said Biden has been in the senate since she was in grade school. Does she realize she has a 72 year old running mate?

Couric beat Leno to the punch on that, too.

You can YouTube it, but I'll warn you, it's pretty uncomfortable to watch.

I hadn't seen the Couric part. That is pretty bad.

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So she's saying Americans have a choice between her fresh ideas and Biden's ideas he's had for all those years.

Nice job basically endorsing Obama.

Chris, that's the same video that you posted two posts prior.

Have you guys seen this video?
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wierd. it must not have copied the link to my clipboard correctly. thanks, it's fixed now.

and MoTown...THE TWINS LOST!

When is the Zach Miner/Sarah Palin interview airing?

and MoTown...THE TWINS LOST!

Yeah but at least the Twins had Kirby Puckett. The Tigers can't boast that.

I wonder if Palin has had nightmares about Katie Couric the past few nights?

#373 and #375 are jawdropping clips

I can't even LOL at her anymore.....this is just sad now

Yeah but at least the Twins had Kirby Puckett. The Tigers can't boast that.


You're right

There's an absolutely knock-down, drag-out article on Palin from Sam Harris in Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080) this week. Holy shit!

Here are some fun highlights:

However badly she may stumble during the remaining weeks of this campaign, her supporters will focus their outrage upon the journalist who caused her to break stride, upon the camera operator who happened to capture her fall, upon the television network that broadcast the good lady's misfortune—and, above all, upon the "liberal elites" with their highfalutin assumption that, in the 21st century, only a reasonably well-educated person should be given command of our nuclear arsenal.

...she comes to us, seeking the second most important job in the world, without any intellectual training relevant to the challenges and responsibilities that await her. There is nothing to suggest that she even sees a role for careful analysis or a deep understanding of world events when it comes to deciding the fate of a nation.

The next administration must immediately confront issues like nuclear proliferation, ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and covert wars elsewhere), global climate change, a convulsing economy, Russian belligerence, the rise of China, emerging epidemics, Islamism on a hundred fronts, a defunct United Nations, the deterioration of American schools, failures of energy, infrastructure and Internet security … the list is long, and Sarah Palin does not seem competent even to rank these items in order of importance, much less address any one of them.

Palin's most conspicuous gaffe in her interview with Gibson has been widely discussed. The truth is, I didn't much care that she did not know the meaning of the phrase "Bush doctrine." And I am quite sure that her supporters didn't care, either. Most people view such an ambush as a journalistic gimmick. What I do care about are all the other things Palin is guaranteed not to know—or will be glossing only under the frenzied tutelage of John McCain's advisers. What doesn't she know about financial markets, Islam, the history of the Middle East, the cold war, modern weapons systems, medical research, environmental science or emerging technology? Her relative ignorance is guaranteed on these fronts and most others, not because she was put on the spot, or got nervous, or just happened to miss the newspaper on any given morning. Sarah Palin's ignorance is guaranteed because of how she has spent the past 44 years on earth.

...just imagine if, instead of the Palins, the Obama family had a pregnant, underage daughter on display at their convention, flanked by her black boyfriend who "intends" to marry her. Who among conservatives would have resisted the temptation to speak of "the dysfunction in the black community"?

What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. Watching her deny to Gibson that she had ever harbored the slightest doubt about her readiness to take command of the world's only superpower, one got the feeling that Palin would gladly assume any responsibility on earth:

"Governor Palin, are you ready at this moment to perform surgery on this child's brain?"

"Of course, Charlie. I have several boys of my own, and I'm an avid hunter."

"But governor, this is neurosurgery, and you have no training as a surgeon of any kind."

"That's just the point, Charlie. The American people want change in how we make medical decisions in this country. And when faced with a challenge, you cannot blink."
And so many more. Go read now.

I thought I posted that interview already, Big Swami.
( EDIT: Yeah, I did.
http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=274744&postcount=267 )

Anyways, here's more about Palin and her hidden email accounts that might interest geeks:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093002699.html?hpid=topnews

It appears that Troopergate is moving along:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/palins-petty-ab.html

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsTLQ612F-A

So the question is:
What do you do when a democratic election is held and a group like Hamas (in Gaza Strip) wins?

The answer is:
Americans need to wake up and pay attention to people like Ahmedinejad (in Iran) spewing hate messages.

Amazing.

So the question is:
What do you do when a democratic election is held and a group like Hamas (in Gaza Strip) wins?

The answer is:
Americans need to wake up and pay attention to people like Ahmedinejad (in Iran) spewing hate messages.

Amazing.

Look at it this way. I bet it took her less time to learn pronouncing Ahmedinejad than it did Bush.

Latest SNL, followed by real Palin comments already posted on here:

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RE: THAT YOUTUBE VIDEO'S AVAILABILITY (http://www.archive.org/download/That_Sound_You_Hear_When_You_Lose_On_The_Price_Is_ Right/Price_Is_Right_loser_clip.wav)

here is the full sketch:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

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RE: THAT YOUTUBE VIDEO'S AVAILABILITY (http://www.archive.org/download/That_Sound_You_Hear_When_You_Lose_On_The_Price_Is_ Right/Price_Is_Right_loser_clip.wav)

I am loving Glenn's new audio responses

I hope to phase out type altogether.

Pictures from Biden-Granholm debate practice:

http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/01/debate_training_biden_learns_w_1_9211.php

Pictures from Biden-Granholm debate practice:

http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/01/debate_training_biden_learns_w_1_9211.php
That's pretty fucking funny.

http://interviewpalin.com/n3

Biden demonstrates how you answer the Supreme Court question. Of course, you need to have the record and the accomplishments to answer it like he does, but maybe Sarah will find some good answers and bring 'em to us!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itDAJdR5DOw

http://interviewpalin.com/n3
That website is hysterical. Thanks for this.

Biden demonstrates how you answer the Supreme Court question. Of course, you need to have the record and the accomplishments to answer it like he does, but maybe Sarah will find some good answers and bring 'em to us!
Palin doesn't understand that the main legal argument against Roe vs. Wade is the "right to privacy" aspect. That's huge! That ignorance will kick a lot of people in the teeth. If I were sleazy, I'd put up an ad saying "Sarah Palin wants to undermine Roe vs. Wade" -- attack her strength, Rovian style.

And yeah, I love it when Biden talks about the Supreme Court being wrong when it comes to his own law. Here's some pointers to specifics on what Biden was talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Morrison

In particular, Biden complaining about the inconsistent way the interstate commerce law was applied is a thing worth quibbling about, especially given the decades of precedent at the time the law was passed.

Biden demonstrates how you answer the Supreme Court question. Of course, you need to have the record and the accomplishments to answer it like he does, but maybe Sarah will find some good answers and bring 'em to us!


nice find. she couldn't name one law she disagreed with. Just "any law that would be better in the hands of the state"

That's about as helpful as reading "all magazines"

Mon dieu! The French press accidentally printed a photo of Tina Fey instead of Sarah Palin for a serious article on Palin:

http://www.le933.com/images/contenus/image/soleilPalin.jpg

C'est tres bete, <<mes amis>>.

This is old news regarding the anti Palin rally we already mentioned, but the pics of the rally are somewhat interesting here:

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/

There was also an anti-Palin rally on Letterman:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFjEXulaUPE

LOL@the end of that.

Palin claims she met with the British Ambassador -- that's news to the Brits:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1066426/Sarah-Palin-blunders-talks-British-ambassador-took-place-TV-debate-looms.html

Palin porn on the way -- yessir!

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/10/02/2008-10-02_larry_flynt_is_hustling_up_an_alaskin_fl.html

Palin porn on the way -- yessir!

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/10/02/2008-10-02_larry_flynt_is_hustling_up_an_alaskin_fl.html
She played the flute very well.

Palin claims she met with the British Ambassador -- that's news to the Brits:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1066426/Sarah-Palin-blunders-talks-British-ambassador-took-place-TV-debate-looms.html

At least she knows how many states there are.

She played the flute very well.

At least she knows how many states there are.

This is old news regarding the anti Palin rally we already mentioned, but the pics of the rally are somewhat interesting here:

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/

At least she knows....

Ok, this is getting old.

Can we change the front page photo under the caption 'SHITCANNED!' to a pic of Palin after tonight?

http://www.palinwink.com/sites/default/files/images/palinswink.png

After they coached her so well, why the hell didn't they tell her it was a bad idea to wink? It looked retarded as she was standing up there doing that.

After they coached her so well, why the hell didn't they tell her it was a bad idea to wink? It looked retarded as she was standing up there doing that.



I don't care what you think dog-gone-it.

http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_2008/palinflow.gifhttp://adennak.com/blog/wordpress/?p=92

After they coached her so well, why the hell didn't they tell her it was a bad idea to wink? It looked retarded as she was standing up there doing that.
"Let Sarah Be Sarah."
-VP Political Tombstone

that picture is awesome geerussell. That must have been what she kept looking at.

I definitely LOLed, gee.

Whats so bad about having note cards??? Obama can't do shit without a prompter...

Whats so bad about having note cards??? Obama can't do shit without a prompter...
The number and size of cue cards you can manage matters, I guess.

Five high schools!! Problem child.

How many different colleges did Palin attend?

Whats so bad about having note cards??? Obama can't do shit without a prompter...

Well, she better get note cards that have every possible answer on them then. Otherwise she better learn to think for herself.

Obama might have a few note cards on specifics, but he doesn't steer every topic into those note cards. She was like a little kid grabbing their security blanket.

Ledezma is full of fail.

Well, she better get note cards that have every possible answer on them then. Otherwise she better learn to think for herself.

Obama might have a few note cards on specifics, but he doesn't steer every topic into those note cards. She was like a little kid grabbing their security blanket.


Yet Obama can't make a speeh without a prompter.

Don't ignore it.

Obama might have a few note cards on specifics, but he doesn't steer every topic into those note cards.


LOL! THE DUMBFUCK USES A PROMPTER FOR EVERYTHING!!!

LOL! THE DUMBFUCK USES A PROMPTER FOR EVERYTHING!!!

A dumbfuck graduates at the bottom of his or her class.

A dumbfuck graduates at the bottom of his or her class.


again ignore what i said about the prompter...

you look past it because you know it's true

Who gives a shit? That makes him a dumbfuck?

You don't go from lower class to law school as a dumbfuck.

Who gives a shit? That makes him a dumbfuck?

You don't go from lower class to law school as a dumbfuck.


He's never done anything. He can't speak without a prompter.

He has less executive experience than Sarah Palin.

He's an empty shell.

A dumbfuck graduates at the bottom of his or her class.
You mean bottom like "894 out of 899" bottom? That's like the 0.7% percentile. Nobody can associate that with elitism, at least.

He's never done anything. He can't speak without a prompter.
He managed to beat McCain in the first debate without a teleprompter, without constantly shuffling a stack of index cards. He's gone toe to toe with Hillary who is great at off-the-cuff debate stuff. He's given town halls without 'em and comes across just fine. And heck, he can write his own speeches.

And besides, this isn't even the right thread for this. This is LOL@Palin. Go with something like this, dude:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0kGc6UEGVc

I'm voting for OBiden.

Palin blaming Couric for her bad interview:


Palin also commented Friday on her widely-panned series of interviews with Katie Couric, telling Fox interviewer she did not think the CBS News anchor asked enough issue-based questions.
“I did feel there were a lot of things she was missing in terms of an opportunity to ask what a VP candidate stands for, what the values are that are represented in our ticket," Palin said. "I guess I have to apologize for being a bit annoyed, but that’s also an indication about being outside that Washington elite, outside that media elite also, and just wanting to talk to Americans without the filter and let them know what we stand for."

In two separate and lengthy interviews with Couric over the last week, Palin seemed to struggle with a number of answers, including a defense of McCain's record on regulation issues. She also appeared to stumble when relating her views on the financial bailout, her foreign policy credentials, her preferred news sources of news, and a Supreme Court case she disagrees with.

Tax fun.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gp77q25DPCEibEdOBHWiKkz5EVWQD93JDD702

Sarah Palin makes $125,000 a year as Alaska governor. Plus, since she took the job in December 2006, she hasn't paid taxes on the more than $17,000 she received in controversial per diem payments for working out of the family's lakeside home in Wasilla — some 575 miles from the capital of Juneau.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZsO7dZ__iw

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0pVLBtoSSI

The SNL clip tonight was pretty funny.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puHITWjTc_Q

Here's the preview for the upcoming movie based off Palin's life:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reRTXJSyTjo

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PALIN_RECHARGED?SITE=ORROS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

In California, for instance, she seemed to lose her train of thought while discussing U.S. troop efforts in Afghanistan and referred to the country as "our neighboring country of Afghanistan."

I can appreciate someone laughing off a mis-step, but I think she owes the country an explanation for her lack of knowledge...


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin joked Monday that her recent gaffes during media interviews were just providing "job security to SNL writers."
Pointing to her "less than successful interview I had recently with the mainstream media," Palin said, "I was just trying to keep Tina Fey in business."

This is something that Sarah Palin herself doodled on the back of a Wasilla budget document back when she was in city council. (with a link to a bigger version of the document below). She's scribbling down themes for her campaign.
http://media.canada.com/24be34eb-ecfe-4969-88c2-5aa898db4139/doodles.jpg
http://www.tnr.com/OnlineScan.pdf

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/06/sarah-s-doodles.aspx

Apparently Palin just wants you to get your "facts" from Fox News:


CNN producer Carey Bodenheimer reported Tuesday that at several recent rallies, Palin has stirred up crowds by mentioning the "liberal media." Routinely, there are boos at every mention of The New York Times and the "mainstream media," both of which are staples of Palin's stump speech.
Bodenheimer said some audience members are openly hostile to members of the traveling press covering Palin; one crowd member hurled a racial epithet at an African-American member of the press in Clearwater, Florida, on Monday.
Washington Post columnist and CNN contributor Dana Milbank also commented on the incident.
"It's indicative of the very sort of sinister turn things have taken on the trail ... that people are that angry, that they'd be turning venom on somebody who just happens to be there recording the event."

You missed the LOL part of the article, where Palin calls herself president:


At a rally in Jacksonville on Tuesday morning, McCain's running mate said he has "seen the corrupt ways of Washington and the wasteful spending and other abuses of power, and as president, I promise you, I'm going to help him do this. We're going to end those abuses."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/campaign.wrap/index.html

Nice. I did miss that. I applaud her for being honest.

She's very good at stirring up hate, no doubt.

Reportedly, there we're yells of "Kill him" when she was talking about Obama at one of her rallies yesterday.

At McCain's rally someone yelled out that Obama is a terrorist.

It's almost surreal that people would go to a political rally and yell and scream about killing the other candidate and call him a terrorist.

The politics of fear and hatred are a scary thing, man.

It's almost surreal that people would go to a political rally and yell and scream about killing the other candidate and call him a terrorist.
This is america, nothing surreal about it.

http://s.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/2008/10/9/17/b37a672064cd20ba06d25454bc0adc5d.jpg

http://s.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/2008/10/9/17/b37a672064cd20ba06d25454bc0adc5d.jpg


It's the liberal educationalization system bringing down me, as the great Ronald Reagan once said

There goes Sarah, demonstrating her knowledge of energy policy:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hDHjImXhY5yb3BNTWUbOmN5J5ZZwD93NA84O0

Courtesy of the DSR

http://clapboard.org/temp/SarahPalinReport.pdf

http://pics.livejournal.com/chetchez/pic/0001xah6

She's very good at stirring up hate, no doubt.

Reportedly, there we're yells of "Kill him" when she was talking about Obama at one of her rallies yesterday.

At McCain's rally someone yelled out that Obama is a terrorist.

It's almost surreal that people would go to a political rally and yell and scream about killing the other candidate and call him a terrorist.

The politics of fear and hatred are a scary thing, man.

LMAO

LMAO

You can't be serious.

Let's just say that the hate rallies don't really belong in a LOL thread.

But, Palin getting pounded by the Russians does:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/sais/nexteurope/2008/10/russians_palin_who.html

And I'm sure Troopergate will fall in here as well. She just released a report of her own investigation on herself, concluding she did no wrong. It's too bad her testimony conflicts with her past statements on why he was fired. This all came BEFORE she was tapped for VP:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQEJMWrgsuE

Now she blames the bloggers and makes up more new excuses:

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/the_blogger_on_the_grassy_knoll

The real bipartisan legislature Troopergate report is due out today.

You can't be serious.
Actually he can't defend this shit, so laughing off has been his plan B for awhile.

i second Tahoe's 'lol' it's pretty funny, actually

What exactly do you want to dispute about that post?

(either of you)

i second Tahoe's 'lol' it's pretty funny, actually


Not as funny as the prison rape she's going to receive.

What exactly do you want to dispute about that post?

(either of you)


Nothing, I don't care. I wasn't there to confirm/deny what was said (and neither we're you). And there isn't any audio proof, just left-wing journalists...

You can't be serious.

At Glenn, Yes.

Well I think what happened to McCain tonight makes that post (#453) even more accurate.

Glad you are amused.

On most days, this article about Palin's pork barrel spending would be LOL:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14471.html

But the Troopergate legislative rulings... heh heh heh... not good for Palin.

A lot of folks are focusing on the first ruling, that she violated an ethics statute, which gets her censure and costs Alaska some money in settling Monegan's lawsuit. But, I think the real interesting findings are:

- the one that says the Attorney General dodged 'em -- the next step is "obstruction of justice".

- the one that says Palin has to produce more emails. And fortunately, since she used Yahoo! accounts, they have backups.

White text, homie. Doh, there is none.

I applaud you for succesfully creating a post.

Just playing, my man.

Not as funny as the prison rape she's going to receive.

This is bullshit. Not going to jail just so the conservative media doesn't go apeshit.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNNPDnuIxU

Personally, I think finding her guilty is going to be tough to prove in court.

In order to violate ethics law, there has to be some sort of personal gain, usually financially, which there wasn't, and have yet to prove...

Personally, I think finding her guilty of abusing her power is going to be tough to prove in court.
The "court" in this case would be the full Alaska state legislature, which could conceivably kick her out of office. That's unlikely, though, and I doubt it'd be warranted. Censure is a distinct possibility, especially if she continues to go deny the bipartisan findings. With this report, it won't be difficult for others to sue in court for the specific acts pertaining to her unlawful use of power and get money out of it.

The big hit to her is political. She can't claim that "ethical" mantle anymore, which shrinks her base and her voice just a little bit. This just reminds people of what a poor choice McCain made. It forces Team McCain off topic and on their heels. And it can't be construed as an "attack" by Obama, since it was an outstanding issue before Palin was ever tapped by McCain. It was one of the many reasons folks didn't think Palin would be tapped at all.

And it's not over. There's more emails to be dug through, results of some depositions are part of another report, etc. The gifts just keep on giving.


Being unethical isn't a crime.
Fortunately, the law usually uses words that are more specific than "unethical" to define a "crime".

In order to violate ethics law, there has to be some sort of personal gain, usually financially, which there wasn't, and have yet to prove...
It sounds like you're parroting Palin's attorney:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jOTk11gvqDAgD0cY3i4WjI_2YOxwD93O2H2G0

Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein disagreed with Branchflower's conclusions. "In order to violate the ethics law, there has to be some personal gain, usually financial. Mr. Branchflower has failed to identify any financial gain," he said.

But it doesn't really matter. This is really the legislature's call. They have broad powers to do with this as they will, and the discovery process isn't over...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/palin_church_and_state;_ylt=Ai2BySspTt2AQPnkhHhOHQ Gs0NUE

An Associated Press review of the Republican vice presidential candidate's record as mayor and governor reveals her use of elected office to promote religious causes, sometimes at taxpayer expense and in ways that blur the line between church and state.

Since she took state office in late 2006, the governor and her family have spent more than $13,000 in taxpayer funds to attend at least 10 religious events and meetings with Christian pastors, including Franklin Graham, the son of evangelical preacher Billy Graham, records show

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1849399,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner

the Branchflower report still makes for good reading, if only because it convincingly answers a question nobody had even thought to ask: Is the Palin administration shockingly amateurish? Yes, it is. Disturbingly so.

The 263 pages of the report show a co-ordinated application of pressure on Monegan so transparent and ham-handed that it was almost certain to end in public embarrassment for the governor. The only surprise is that Troopergate is national news, not just a sorry piece of political gristle to be chewed on by Alaska politicos over steaks at Anchorage's Club Paris.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-10-08/news/the-book-of-sarah/

I just see this as being totally petty.

One of those things that the state is acting serious about just because Palin has become a national celebrity.

As Rush Limbaugh would say, AP = Associated Press Obama

Taken with a grain of salt.

As Rush Limbaugh would say, AP = Associated Press Obama
This is the same AP with Rupert Murdoch on the board of directors?
Say what!?

Mxy, AP has actually come under some serious fire over the last year or so regarding biased language edited into articles after they've been written. They have been known to have a strong liberal bia...what? No? It's a conservative bias?

Well then.

Wil, AP has actually come under some serious fire over the last year or so regarding biased language edited into articles after they've been written.

Actually, in 2007 Rasmussen did a poll, and more Americans believe the AP (along with MSNBC & CNN) leans left.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/general_current_events/media/associated_press_msnbc_and_cnbc_seen_as_having_lib eral_bias



The current survey finds that 30% of American adults believe the Associated Press has a liberal bias and only 12% believe it leans the other way.

So, I'm guessing both of you are in the 12%?

Are those the same 30% who think FoxNews is neutral?

Are those the same 30% who think FoxNews is neutral?

Fox News is the conservatives 'MSNBC', except more people watch it.

I just see this as being totally petty.

One of those things that the state is acting serious about just because Palin has become a national celebrity.
Not true at all. The investigation was headline news in Alaska before McCain selected her as running mate.

On an unrelated Palin note -- looks like she got boo'ed loudly at a Flyers game last night, despite bringing her kids for protection:

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/11/palin-drops-puck-at-flyers-game-receives-mixed-reaction/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd4wQd_gbj8

What did they expect? It's fucking Philly.

I give that joke of a VP credit, she takes it like a champ. The booing that is.

The PG version...
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/nonnie9999/movies/theefficiencyexpert3.jpg
...and the unrated director's cut:
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh136/drillerin/palin.jpg

And the gifts just keep on giving...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/163465

Some weeks ago, the McCain team devised a plan to have Palin file an ethics complaint against herself with the State Personnel Board, arguing that it alone was capable of conducting a fair, nonpartisan inquiry into whether she fired Monegan because he refused to fire Wooten, who had been involved in a messy custody battle with her sister. Some Democrats ridiculed the move, noting that the personnel board answered to Palin. But the board ended up hiring an aggressive Anchorage trial lawyer, Timothy Petumenos, as an independent counsel. McCain aides were chagrined to discover that Petumenos was a Democrat who had contributed to Palin's 2006 opponent for governor, Tony Knowles.

newsweek...

anything that isn't foxnews...

Palin's really wow-ing 'em in West Virginia:

http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810120129

KENOVA, W.Va. -- Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin made a pit stop in West Virginia on her way to battleground state Ohio.

The Alaska governor and her family spent about 25 minutes in the state Sunday as their two-engine plane touched down at Tri-State Airport in Kenova. She made no remarks.

About a dozen supporters greeted Palin as she left the aircraft holding her infant son, Trig. Other members of her family were traveling with her.

A small group of protesters also was on hand as the Palins arrived.
Reportedly, small group of protesters = 150 people.

A quick photo op I guess.

Here are the cliffnotes of the Time magazine review of the "troopergate" ugh report.


Not only did people at almost every level of the Palin administration engage in repeated inappropriate contact with Walt Monegan and other high-ranking officials at the Department of Public Safety, but Monegan and his peers constantly warned these Palin disciples that the contact was inappropriate and probably unlawful. Still, the emails and calls continued — in at least one instance on recorded state trooper phone lines.

The state's attorney general, Talis Colberg, called Monegan and had to be reminded that the call was putting both men in legal jeopardy, should Wooten decide to sue. The governor's chief of staff met with Monegan and had to be reminded by Monegan that, "This conversation is discoverable ... You don't want Wooten to own your house, do you?"

Deputy Commissioner John Glass, who worked under Monegan, told Branchflower he was "livid" after a Palin staffer, Frank Bailey, went outside the chain of command and called a state trooper in far-off Ketchikan to complain about Wooten. Why had Bailey called the trooper? Because, Bailey said, this trooper had gone to church with Sarah Palin back in Wasilla, so he felt "comfortable" talking to him about Wooten. Glass, too, tried to sound the warning that continuing to pressure anyone and everyone in the matter would end in "an unbelievable amount of embarrassment for the Governor and everybody else".

...Todd [Palin] spent about half of his time in the governor's office — not at a desk (he didn't have one), but at a long conference table on one side of the office, with his own phone to make and receive calls. It became a shadow office, the informal Department of Getting Mike Wooten Fired ... [h]e showed Monegan three huge binders of evidence against Wooten, including a picture of a dead moose that had been shot illegally. After Monegan came back saying that there was no new actionable information, Todd began a very visible campaign of stewing and fuming, trying to get access to personnel files, calling up and down the Public Safety org chart.

The report also raises the suggestion that the final incident that led to Monegan's firing was perhaps the most (unintentionally) hilarious part of the whole saga. In the run-up to Alaska's 2008 Police Memorial Day event, Monegan visited Palin in Anchorage and brought along an official portrait of a state trooper in uniform, saluting in front of the police memorial in Anchorage, for Palin to sign and present at the event. The trooper? Mike Wooten.

Palin signed the photo and didn't say anything, according to Monegan's testimony, but later cancelled her attendance at the event ... The head of her Anchorage office followed up with a call to Monegan berating him for his insensitivity. (Monegan swears he didn't know it was Wooten in the picture, and that he didn't even know what Wooten looked like.)

Shortly after that incident, Monegan's fate was cast. But even then, Palin's staffers were blithely adding more evidence to Troopergate. When Monegan's potential successor, Chuck Kopp, asked Bailey, the Palin staffer, why Monegan was being fired, he was told simply: "Todd is really upset with Monegan."

Mega-LOL at the bolded part

When Monegan's potential successor, Chuck Kopp, asked Bailey, the Palin staffer, why Monegan was being fired, he was told simply: "Todd is really upset with Monegan."

The First Dude should never make a governmental decision.

It's got a good beat and you can dance to it!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hgR6wXfvhM

#1 on the charts!

Opening up an already-closed case involving a family member, where the outcome was what both a family court judge and the police union thought was appropriate, is gonna get you hard questions. Lying and ducking the matter makes it worse. What part of this is hard to understand?

Again, have you forgotten the lessons of the past? It's not the actual issue, but the coverup that kills in politics. The Palins are doing nothing but cover up at this point, and against a BIPARTISAN investigation no less. The more she lies and dodges, the more the digging will happen.

To cite a famous example-- Whitewater was a bunch of BS. But what killed Bill Clinton was a coverup in the Whitewater investigation. And it wasn't a coverup that had to do with Whitewater itself, unless you think Monica Lewinsky, all of 5 years old at the time, was key to a failed Ozark real estate deal in the 1970s.

And on cue, it looks like Troopergate will expand into other things:

http://www.adn.com/front/story/555288.html


Board's Troopergate probe casts wider net

ETHICS: Investigator hasn't said who else may be under scrutiny.

The state Personnel Board investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin's firing of Walt Monegan has broadened to include other ethics complaints against the governor and examination of actions by other state employees, according to the independent counsel handling the case.

That's better than expected.

*sits up a little straighter*

Little starbursts just shot through my computer and bounced around in my office.

I think she was winking at me.

You love Olberman.

Does Sarah Palin have a future with Monty Python?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMyNk8J1c8g

This might be a flaw of my generation, but I have no fucking clue what/who Monty Python is/was...

Ledezma is terrible.

He was a giant naked snake

This might be a flaw of my generation, but I have no fucking clue what/who Monty Python is/was...

Dude... come on....

"Pound me until my head is so empty that I can't even remember the name of the one Supreme Court case I actually know!"
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/10/sarah-palin-porn-film.php

This might be a flaw of my generation, but I have no fucking clue what/who Monty Python is/was...

If there was ever a reason for you to be banned, this is it.

I'll stick up for Ledezma, here. Monty Python is an acquired taste, and I can't blame Ledezma if he hasn't acquired it -- took me awhile and I'm still not fully onboard. Probably the most enduring Monty Python-ism most people encounter in day-to-day life is spam. If that were my first exposure to Monty Python, I wouldn't be asking for seconds. :)