I think the Spurs run is about over, and no, it's not just because they lost to the Sonics last night and the Jazz the night before.

I've seen them a few times this year and they just don't look like the "prime" Spurs anymore.

On top of that, now they are shutting down Tony Parker.

I do look for them to sign a buyout player (ala Stoudemire, Cassell, etc) and possibly try to swing a deadline deal or two, but unless Buford pulls something out of his ass, I think there are 3-4 teams in the West, at least, that are superior.

look at the calendar my man. The Spurs know to take off the even years.

How does cutting Beno look right about now?

I know that they traded him, same thing.

To me, it just seems they're not hungry enough after all these rings and just aren't worrying too much. "We're going to get a playoff spot, so who cares".

Expect them to turn it up at least a little come playoff time or if seeds start getting really important.

To me, it just seems they're not hungry enough after all these rings and just aren't worrying too much. "We're going to get a playoff spot, so who cares".

Expect them to turn it up at least a little come playoff time or if seeds start getting really important.
I seem to recall another team that tries to do that every year and keeps getting bounced in the conference finals.....

Ha, but it's been longer, and the championship only occurred once. I think "that" team wants it more than the Spurs. You said it, they keep getting bounced in the conference finals. Tell me that isn't disappointing, to get so far and lose it.

I think it's a different case, though it can be obvious the Pistons aren't taking a couple games seriously.

How does cutting Beno look right about now?

I know that they traded him, same thing.

They're going to pick up Damon Stoudemire, probably.

And I don't think they're done. This same question has come up about the Spurs almost every (meaningless) regular season.

I do think this could be the first time they reach the Finals and actually lose though.

I wonder if they are the oldest team in the league?

They have 6 guys with 10+ years of service, and it shows.

They are.

I think Boston could beat them, us too (if of course we don't fucking throw away a game like we did in 05).

03: Spurs
04: Pistons
05: Spurs
06: Heat
07: Spurs

Are we going to see another East team winning it?

A handful of teams in the West could take them down IMO.

I don't buy Phoenix...but Dallas, maybe even New Orleans, maybe a healthy Rockets team.

Plus, if Bynum can come back and play like he did before the injury, maybe even the Lakers. Don't count out a team like Utah either.

I dunno, I just don't think the regular season is the time for people to be talking about the Spurs being done.

Shall we lock this up then?

Fuck the free pass, call it as you see it.

I say they're done.

THEY WILL NOT MAKE THE NBA FINALS, BOOK IT
(as currently constructed)

Let's keep it open, so more people can bash the hell out of you offer their opinions.

I'm not burying them just yet. That being said, Horry and Bowen are going to slow down, and TD is always battling injuries. I wouldn't call them clear cut favorites in the west as you may have other years, but you still can't rule them out.

right now they have as much chance as everyone. but i agree that they havent shown a ton this year. duncan had two A+ games in a two game in two night stand last week.

BTW Seattle snapped their 14 game losing streak by beating SA last night.

D O N E

On ATH, Tony Reali called the Spurs "mediocretastic" and "the defending chumps".

A bit extreme, I think.

Sam Presti was the real mastermind of this team, not RC Buford. So now that he's gone, the Spurs orgainzation is vulnurable to taking a slight nosedive...

Pops is the "Bill Belichick" of the NBA, he knows how to motivate his players when it really matters, the Spurs don't need home court advantage or a high seed to do some damage in the postseason, they have all been there before, and even despite their mediocre record, are still capable of beating anybody in a 7 game series (especially Phoenix)...

Pretty much. Which is why Glenn IS OUT OF HIS ELEMENT!!

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GD are you saying that cuz they lost to the Sonics last night and the Jazz the night before?

Hell, weren't the Pistons losing to teams like Atlanta, Charlotte, and Memphis on their way back to the Finals?

The Spurs are only 2 games back of last years pace.

Yep.

SA starts to slip a little to Pistons Level and arrogant guys like Glenn want to bury them.

As it says in Arch's profile: kiss the rings, bitch.

Not a SA fan.

He just wants to bury them cuz they lost to the Sonics last night and the Jazz the night before.

No one can win in Utah for some reason.

Seattle, ok...Da Champs are entitled to one Pistons like loss.

Again, not a SA fan.

SA loses 2 game....2GAMES and he's nailing their coffin?

He is. What a douche nozzle©.

He's providing SA with locker room poster board stuff that will come back to haunt us.

Way to go, Glenn. You've just provided Bulletin Board Material.

If we lose to SA we have ONE person to blame!

Tony Parker: "I'd like to thank Eva Longoria for all her love and support. I'd also like to thank Glenn of WTFdetroit.com for giving me the motivation to score 75 points and beat Detroit in game 4 of the NBA Finals! KISS ALL 4 OF MY RINGS, BE-YOTCH!(except that last part would be in French)"

Hey Glenn, next time you talk shit about the Spurs ask yourself how many championships YOUR team has.

:punks:

They're a well-done team, definitely not half-baked.

PJ Carlesimo > Gregg Popovich

Something to ponder.

no way Jose.

No.

Hell, weren't the Pistons losing to teams like Atlanta, Charlotte, and Memphis on their way back to the Finals?

Again, not just basing this on recent losses.

I've actually watched them play and they look old, slow and the depth that they used to have is just not there.

Better yet, let's have some of you "believers" go on record with your predictions of how far, in specific terms, that you think the Spurs will go this year.

The Spurs have had enough of a history of success where I'm not inclined to count them out until after it's happened, kinda like how economists define "recession". (The same goes for the Pistons, BTW.) My first instinct when I saw the thread title was to post something about TD swatting this shit to The Stands.

PJ Carlesimo > Gregg Popovich

Something to ponder.
I'm sure the Sonics would happily give PJ up for Pops.

The spurs always use the "circus trip" which they are currently on as the point they begin their second half surge towards playoff supremacy. This year they have already started 0-2 with 7 more games to play. We'll see what happens when they head east to play the cream puffs of the eastern conference but I'm guessing this is the end of the spurs for 2008.

The Spurs/Celtics game on 2/10 will be the ultimate indicator of whether or not the spurs are done. The game tonight will also tell us how much drive this team has to repeat.

I'm still picking Utah to come out of the west. The west is wide open this year and none of the teams are really that good. Boston will stomp all over whichever team they face in the finals.

I'm still picking Utah to come out of the west. The west is wide open this year and none of the teams are really that good. Boston will stomp all over whichever team they face in the finals.
I'm sorry but i seriously doubt they could make up for doc rivers weak coaching and no depth vs Dallas, the spurs, or even the suns. Though they are undefeated against the west, they havent played phoenix, spurs, or dallas. Utah is not good enough to come out the west past those 3 teams. When the playoffs hit, that'll show imo.

I think Utah has a chance against them. I don't think they would be the favorite, but I think they at least have a chance. And ultimately, at some point, Doc Rivers will lose some games for the Celtics in the playoffs. Whether it will be enough to keep them from winning a championship or not, no one knows. But he will make some stupid decisions that cost them games.

I agree. As bad as a coach as Flip is, Doc Rivers is right there with him.

Better yet, let's have some of you "believers" go on record with your predictions of how far, in specific terms, that you think the Spurs will go this year.

Western Conference Finals, at worst.

My prediction:

After a hard fought first round series with Dallas or N.O. they get bounced in the 2nd round by the Suns.

IF the Spurs can get something going in the 2nd half to secure their division the senario changes. I see a first round matchup with Portland maybe and a little bit easier time advancing. They are well rested when facing Utah and get by them, facing the Suns where it is a toss up and the winner makes the finals.

You know, I thought before the season Utah would avenge their loss to SA last year and bounce the Spurs out...but I want them to go to the WCF, maybe even the NBA Finals, to piss Glenn off.

They signed Damon Stoudemire, since Mr. Longoria is out indefinitely, BTW.

If Gasol stays healthy, another team just moved in front of the Spurs.

The Knicks should have had them last night, if they weren't so "knickish" they would have.

Pop is starting to sound a bit concerned, too.


Popovich Speaks Out About Gasol Trade

Sports Illustrated -

Memphis GM Chris Wallace challenged all executives who are speaking out against the Pau Gasol trade to do so on record, and according to Sports Illustrated, Spurs' Coach Gregg Popovich did just that on Friday night.

"What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension," said Popovich. "There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense. I just wish I had been on a trade committe that oversees NBA trades. I'd like to elect myself to that committee. I would have voted no to the L.A. trade."

When told that Wallace had challenged executives to criticize the deal publicly, Popovich replied, "Well, there you go. I'm on the record."

And as long as Bill Walton keeps insisting that the Spurs are still the team to beat in the West, I'm feeling better and better about them being done.

DONE.

^ I'd rather listen to Walton than your boy who picked the DENVER NUGGETS, who will never be good enough to be considered "done".

^ I'd rather listen to Walton than your boy who picked the DENVER NUGGETS, who will never be good enough to be considered "done".

Doesn't compute.

Stephen A. being bad at predictions does not mean that the Spurs aren't done.

D

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DONE.

Smiff jumped on Billy for picking SA when he picked the Nuggets. I'm just saying your boy has no right to jump on anybody.

Oh and Glenn, even if the Spurs get knocked out in the playoffs this year doesn't mean they won't be back next year. That's been the trend with them.

I give them another 2 years or so.

Put it on the front page, the back page, any page you want.

Finito.

YOU WILL EAT YOUR WORDS!! JUST LIKE YOU DID ABOUT JAKE PEAVY!


Talk to me tomorrow after Peavy single handedly takes his team to the playoffs tonight to top off his Cy Young season.

If Gasol stays healthy, another team just moved in front of the Spurs.

Assuming Bynum comes back healthy (I've seen no reason to think otherwise) I would put LA ahead of SA on paper. Note the on paper part. Heart and experience can beat talent.

I suspect the Spurs will keep on bringing in those Euros they've stashed away and be successful for a good long time.

Like I said (sorta), you can't use this season to determine if they're done (even if they fail to get back, which would be per the usual for them).

They have the same record right now as they did last year if not just a game better/worse.

Kidd moves Dallas ahead of the Spurs too, IMO.

phx and dallas appear to have gone 'all in'. lakers simply robbed memphis.

teams like the spurs and stons can wait out bullish teams and say 'if not this year, we'll be back next year'.

doesnt feel like the spurs year, but a team still has to beat them 4/7 times. got to give the champs their due, they have accomplished too much to write them off.

Kidd can't defend Tony Parker like he did back in 03, and even then he trouble keeping with him. And no one on Dallas can defend the other two(Ginobili/Duncan). But we'll just have to wait and see.

(Lakers would destroy both either way) :)

Diop was their best defender on Duncan, but they just traded him away.

No they didn't.

Very true, but they're TRYING to trade him away.

Already tried. Didn't work. I think if Diop was going to leave Dallas, it was only going to be so they could get Kidd. Since that fell through thanks to Devean George, he's going to remain a Mav.

i bet the trade goes through. it will involve cuban bringing devean george into his office and showing devean pictures of his children and telling him where they go to school... but it will get done.

Mark Cuban will hire some West Virgina fans to firebomb Devean's house and get the job done.

i prefer ghost riding a car into his front porch. i think ghost riding a car into anything is hilarious.

I think Ghost Riding a car period is hilarious. GHOST RIDE THE WHIP!

How does 10-1 in their last 11 games (38-17 overall) sound, Glenn?

lol @ 5 points in a quarter...

though they got the win, which is just fucked. To score5 in a quarter then win by double digits means you are not done. I dont care who its against.

I'm not impressed.

I think Ghost Riding a car period is hilarious. GHOST RIDE THE WHIP!

I just found out what this was from my brother about 2 weeks ago. It is quite possibly the funniest "new term/trend" I have ever heard of.

It's so ridiculously stupid that it's awesome.

I hate ghost riding the whip. Its only entertaining if their car gets away.

lol @ 5 points in a quarter...

though they got the win, which is just fucked. To score5 in a quarter then win by double digits means you are not done. I dont care who its against.

I hear you...but this happened against the Hawks.

10 straight for the Spurs, Glenn.

10 straight for the Spurs, Glenn.



I'm not impressed.

And as long as Bill Walton keeps insisting that the Spurs are still the team to beat in the West, I'm feeling better and better about them being done.
DONE.

Shall we lock this up then?
Fuck the free pass, call it as you see it.
I say they're done.

Put it on the front page, the back page, any page you want.

Done with the best or second best record in the West right now!

Ask Thanatos, he supports winning teams.

Gregg "Love it when you call me big" Popovich just called me up and told me that he'll have your Western Conference Finals tickets for you, Glenn.

You guys want to crown their asses right now, then go ahead and crown them.

Not crowning them. Just not calling them done. ;)

Exactly. They are not buried, just simply in the mix. I'd still put LA slightly ahead of them, but I think the Spurs are still there with almost all the Western teams in the playoff hunt that could easily go on a run to the finals. I think GS and Denver are too flawed to make the finals, but otherwise the West is wide open for the current 1-7 seeds (assuming Yao gets back).

Dallas and Phoenix, the two teams that have been there with SA the last 4 or 5 seasons, are also declining it appears.

Back to being LA vs. SA like the good ol' days!

You guys want to crown their asses right now, then go ahead and crown them.

dont spin me. i believe it was glen D doing the burying, not the board saying they would win it all.


thebron didnt have a bad game tonight. 50/8/10 on 16/30 shooting, included a slam dunk contest worthy dunk in pregame warmups (with that smile, why no contest? next year?)

dont spin me. i believe it was glen D doing the burying, not the board saying they would win it all.


Alls I'm saying is, have the playoffs started yet? Then how does inferring that I am wrong because they are beating the Atlantas and Charlottes of the world make sense?

I stated that they are done winning championships and that I don't think they'll even make the WCF.

And while I did disclaim that statement with "as curently constructed" and they have since made the Kurt Thomas acquisition, and then the Suns went ahead and decided to eliminate themselves, clearing the path a bit for SA, I'll stick to my original statement.

I don't think they make the WCF, and I'm not wrong unless they do.

So again, if you guys want to crown them right now, go ahead.

Alls I'm saying is, have the playoffs started yet? Then how does inferring that I am wrong because they are beating the Atlantas and Charlottes of the world make sense?




Says the guy who starts the thread burrying them after they lose to the Knicks and Nets of the world.

The guy that also clearly stated in said thread that it didn't have anything to do with recent losses, only with how I had seen them perform with my own eyes.

The guy that also clearly stated in said thread that it didn't have anything to do with recent losses, only with how I had seen them perform with my own eyes.


In the playoffs? Last I saw them in the playoffs, with my own eyes, they looked ok.

From what I've seen myself this year (probably parts of 6-7 games), they've looked old, slow and not very deep.

I just can't see them suddenly being young, fast and deep during the playoffs.

They are winning a lot of regular season games lately, I'll give them that.

I just can't see them suddenly being young, fast and deep during the playoffs.



They didn't look that in the playoffs last year. They looked veteran and complete.

The only thing that can slow Tony Parker down is Eva.
So we have to knock the sunavabitch OUT!

What about "little Tony"?

Tahoe?

The only thing that can slow Tony Parker down is Eva.
So we have to knock the sunavabitch OUT!



Mendes?

As much as I think they are done winning championships, I do expect that they'll punk the recently emasculated Suns on national TV today.

Los Spurs esta finito

^ LOL

I'm surprised the Suns managed to wear Duncan down towards the end of the game..

I guess during big games, outside of Manu,Little Tony, and TD, no one else wants to show up

Los Spurs esta finito

fijo

Hi

DONE!

The Sixers?

They've now lost 5 of 6.

#3 in their own division, #6 seed in the West, 3 games from missing the playoffs altogether.


Remaining schedule:
Mar 17 vs Boston 8:30 pm
Mar 20 at Chicago 8:00 pm
Mar 21 vs Sacramento 8:30 pm
Mar 23 at Dallas 1:00 pm
Mar 25 at Orlando 7:00 pm
Mar 26 vs LA Clippers 8:30 pm
Mar 28 vs Minnesota 8:30 pm
Mar 30 vs Houston 1:00 pm
Apr 1 vs Golden State 8:30 pm
Apr 4 at Utah 8:00 pm
Apr 6 at Portland 6:00 pm
Apr 9 vs Phoenix 9:30 pm
Apr 11 vs Seattle 8:30 pm
Apr 13 at LA Lakers 3:30 pm
Apr 14 at Sacramento 10:00 pm
Apr 16 vs Utah 8:00 pm


I'll guess 8-8 or so the rest of the way, is that good enough?

Probably, but it's interesting that it's even a possibility that they'd be home come playoff time.

edit- LMAO http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89663

I would love to see SA not even make the playoffs. I don't hate them all that much, but it would just be really funny.

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I see that you were all taken aback by those.

Spurs fans are seriously the most effeminate fans I've ever seen. Christ.

The one with Horry hitting that three kinda hurt, the rest were just stupid spurs fans.

I would love to see SA not even make the playoffs. I don't hate them all that much, but it would just be really funny.

I'd rather have a first round knockout, but that's fine with me too.

that was so scary shit.

Just blew a 20+ point lead to the Celtics if I heard SportsCenter right.

Done.

The Spurs mentally crumbled in the 2nd half tonight. That was pathetic.

How do you blow a 20+ point lead? I mean, they have a competent coach and everything

I'm convinced.

Don't think that I take any pleasure in this.

This is hitting me as hard as it is hitting you guys and the rest of SpursNation.

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Is that flame slowly going out Glenn?

Someone needs to remake that into a flaming flop

I just did some more reading at SpursTalk, it's fun!

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89777

Watching Spurs fans trash their team is hilarious. It's like watching 90210...you don't get how kids who live in Beverly Hills have all of these problems.

Disclaimer: I'm not comparing the cities.

On like a 6 game winning streak now or something like that.

Ok, are you guys done? Or are you going to make another run at the title? CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!

My boy Hollinger weighs in.


San Antonio Spurs

Glass half-full: Relax, we do this every year.

Glass half-empty: This sure seemed easier when everybody wasn't 30-something.

Key factoids you might not know: San Antonio began its late surge even later than usual, not really turning things around for good until late March. But now the Spurs have won eight in a row and seem likely to be the No. 2 or No. 3 seed in the West.

As usual, the defense is the key. The Spurs have been in the middle of the pack offensively all season, but rank third in defensive efficiency. They're the league's best defensive rebounding team, pulling down 76.9 percent of opponents' misses, and as usual they defend the 3-point line with ferocity. San Antonio gives up the fourth-fewest attempts -- only 19.5 percent of opponents' shots are 3s -- and are second only to Boston in 3-point defense at 33.8 percent.

But the reason San Antonio is so close to the rest of the Western pack rather than head and shoulders above is that several key role players have begun declining. Bruce Bowen, Michael Finley, Brent Barry, Jacque Vaughn and especially Robert Horry have all seen their output diminish due to age, injury or both, and as a result, on too many nights Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are left to carry the offense entirely. Barry's calf problem in particular has been a setback, because his still-deadly shot is an incredible deterrent to help defenders.

Full article: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=WestForecast-080403&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dholling er_john%26page%3dWestForecast-080403%26campaign%3drss%26source%3dNBAHeadlines

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Judging from the minutes and the fact that it wasn't an early blowout, they're just resting their starters. Yippie-doo. This was good for us, helps maintain homecourt against any team from the West if we make it past Boston.

G'morning everyone.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2008040924

Nice.

Okay, it's time for you "BELIEVERS" to stop pussyfooting around.

VOTE IN THE POLL

What poll?

What poll?

This one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)

Ha I didn't fall for it that time.

I so would have. I'm terrible at this game.

Okay, it's time for you "BELIEVERS" to stop pussyfooting around.

VOTE IN THE POLL

I'd like to see the final matchups before deciding how far they will get.

Mark (Memphis): Will the Spurs make it out of the first round?

John Hollinger: (4:15 PM ET ) I'm beginning to question that. Even if Manu comes back 100%, their offense has looked stuck in the mud for the last month-plus. And their potential pairings all look bad -- they match up terribly against Phoenix and I sure as heck wouldn't want to face Utah.

Glenn (WTF Detroit) : I've been trying to tell my peeps at our fan site for months now that the Spurs are DONE (by that, I mean they won't make the WCF). They just look old, slow and not deep enough to me. Agree or disagree?

John Hollinger: (4:17 PM ET ) "done" is a bit strong -- remember Utah played awful the final month of the regular season last year and got it together in time to make the conference finals. But I don't like how they're playing at all and probably won't be picking them in the first round.

Worked in a DONE, a Tahoe reference and a site plug.

And he agrees.

John Hollinger: (4:17 PM ET ) "done" is a bit strong -- remember Utah played awful the final month of the regular season last year and got it together in time to make the conference finals.
But I don't like how they're playing at all and probably won't be picking them in the first round.

WTF Translator... "I agree"

I'm flexing into an imaginary mirror in my office right now.

You impressed a cunt. Well played.

Glenn loves to get the terrible media members on his side. Particularly Langolis, McCosky, and now PER.

He's slightly less cuntish, suddenly.

WE NEED MORE VOTES YOU PUSSIES

I have to see who they play in the 1st round before I vote.

I doubt they make it to the finals, but the right bracket could get them an easier road to the WCF.

Glenn, it'd only be fair if you denounce the Texas team you were SUPPORTING minutes after the Kidd deal was done.

Glenn, it'd only be fair if you denounce the Texas team you were SUPPORTING minutes after the Kidd deal was done.

Please re-state this in a different manner, I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Ha, I know you know what I mean. And that's all that matters.

Own up to your love of the Mavericks and their lack of a chance in the playoffs.

Fool does all the phrasing that makes sense around here.

It happened.

I knew it was there. Somehow I knew.

Glenn, I'm giving you the opportunity to MAN UP.

I thought that the Mavs would be better after the Kidd trade than they have been.

I haven't seen them play much since the trade, so I really don't know what to expect from them.

With Dirk, J.Howard, Kidd & JET, I think they'd probably be right there with the Pistons and Celtics if they were in the East, but in the West, they're not as special.

Is that what you are looking for?

But this isn't about how they'd fair if they were in the East. This is about them being one of your favorites to come out of the West.

Um, okay.

So how does that relate to the Spurs being DONE.?

I'm trying to peg some people down here.

Jesus, man. Don't start copping an attitude wth me now.

It's not like I'm burning your favorite football team and talking shit to them.

in all seriousness, I'm convinced this isn't SA's year.

Um, okay.

So how does that relate to the Spurs being DONE.?

I'm trying to peg some people down here.

You're right. Threads never go off topic at WTF.

Jesus, man. Don't start copping an attitude wth me now.

It's not like I'm burning your favorite football team and talking shit to them.

in all seriousness, I'm convinced this isn't SA's year.

Just trying to stay on topic here, friend.

Like a good, professional message board administrator always does.

Ok, I've been wondering, by DONE do you mean DONE as in for this season? Or DONE winning championships? I'll agree with the former, but not with the latter (at least not yet).

Done winning championships with this current core group.

Wow, really?

And you think the Pistons aren't I assume.

I already know what he's going to say.

I think they could very well win another ring if the jumpers fall.

IDH...

You could say the "If the jumpers fall" about any team.

You could say the "If the jumpers fall" about any team.

True, but if you say it about a team that takes more of them, and it happens, you are more likely to be right.

So you think the team that won it all last year has no chance of winning it again with their core but the team that won in 2004 and has had their playoff runs shrink every year since does have a shot with the same core from 04?

So you think the team that won it all last year has no chance of winning it again with their core but the team that won in 2004 and has had their playoff runs shrink every year since does have a shot with the same core from 04?

That appears to be the case, yes.

I'm looking at the here and now.

One team is old, thin and broken and the other should be in their prime.

I thought you were trying to stay on topic, Glenn.

You kinda took it off topic when you talked about the Pistons.

Man, I am definately not on that bandwagon.

Vote your conscience and we'll see what happens when It Happens.

THERE'S NO POLL!

THERE'S NO POLL!

Either get off the Tandy, or hit refresh or something.

I swear, The Hoff looks a bit like Gary Busey in that pic.

When did you make that shit?

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=241445&postcount=124

I had no idea that was more than just a set up for the Rick Roll.

So you think the team that won it all last year has no chance of winning it again with their core but the team that won in 2004 and has had their playoff runs shrink every year since does have a shot with the same core from 04?

Also, they wanted Amir, but WE HAVE AMIR.

Now that I see the matchups, I'm taking the Suns in 6. The Spurs are done.

I've got PHX in 7.

Spurs in 4.

The poll is asking a different question then Glenn is propositioning.

I'm fine with the opinion that the Spurs won't make it to the WCF this season. I might have voted against them doing so at the beginning of the season just on history alone. But Glenn is saying that they will never win another championship with the Duncan, Manu, Parker lineup which is a ridiculous assumption to make at this point.

I actually think the Spurs win this, maybe in 6.

The poll is asking a different question then Glenn is propositioning.



That may be true, but the poll choices are pretty clear and they stand on their own.

But your on record now, Fool, so you can pull this back out in 4-5 years if you'd like.

Now vote.

I voted like two days ago G.

I voted like two days ago G.

Didn't I just help you with the poll yesterday afternoon?

In any case, I should have noticed your vote before my last post, that's on me.

Had already voted. Played you like a violin.

The poll is asking a different question then Glenn is propositioning.

I'm fine with the opinion that the Spurs won't make it to the WCF this season. I might have voted against them doing so at the beginning of the season just on history alone. But Glenn is saying that they will never win another championship with the Duncan, Manu, Parker lineup which is a ridiculous assumption to make at this point.
All they need are one or two younger pieces to replace the old guys and they'll be pretty solid once again.

Easier Than Expected For Hornets

By J.A. Adande
ESPN.com

NEW ORLEANS -- At one point in the third quarter there was an energy that swept through New Orleans Arena, as if the 17,972 fans collectively realized: This is happening.

The Hornets' defensive schemes really are working more effectively as the series progresses. Chris Paul really is able to do whatever he wants out there. The Spurs, one of the smartest defensive teams around, really are leaving Peja Stojakovic open for 3-pointers. And the Hornets really are ahead, 2-0 in this series.

On the surface this shouldn't be a surprise, that a team that beat the other team for the division championship won two playoff games at home.

But these are the DEFENDING CHAMPIONS we're talking about, getting handled by a group that's never done anything in the playoffs together, never been to the playoffs before.

The Spurs have a long list of accomplishments during their four-championship run of excellence, but one thing they've never done is come back from a 2-0 deficit to win a series. The last time they found themselves in such a hole they were swept out of the 2001 Western Conference finals by the Lakers.

The next natural skeptical step is to wonder if the Hornets can do this on the road. But it's time to stop doubting and start believing. The Hornets have answered every playoff challenge thrown at them so far except once, when they fell apart in their first road game at Dallas. Paul has made dominance look so routine that it's hardly worth mentioning he had 30 points and 12 assists in the Hornets' 102-84 victory.

It's the Hornets who are dictating how things are going this series. The Spurs are the ones playing out of character. In the regular season 25 percent of the Spurs' shots were 3-pointers. Forty percent of the shots the Spurs have tried in this series have been 3-pointers. And those EZpass lanes to the basket Ginobili and Parker enjoyed against the Suns are closed.

The Hornets are growing more convincing by the quarter. This time there wasn't a fluky statistic such as a playoff career-low five points by Tim Duncan in the opener, which even Hornets coach Byron Scott called "Not a very Tim Duncanish type game." He scored 18 Monday night, and could do no more because the Hornets kept him from dominating the game.

"They did a great job of double-teaming me," Duncan said. "I got a couple of things to fall for me and that was the only difference, but I didn't have any stretches where I was extremely effective for periods."

That was thanks to the long arms of Tyson Chandler (who also swatted away a couple of Tony Parker drives) and an array of smaller players who dropped down to annoy Duncan. Even little CP3 got in the act, blindsiding Duncan for a steal once and forcing another turnover when he knocked the ball off Duncan's legs and out of bounds. When Duncan did pass, the Hornets did a great job of rotating so the Spurs' shooters were always taking contested shots.

It's the Spurs who have to answer the questions now. Why haven't they found a way to counter what the Hornets are doing? Why do they keep falling out of the game in the third quarter? Actually, they might not want to know the answer to that one, like a woman trying on a dress that's one size below realistic and asking if it makes her look fat.

This series is making the Spurs look old, as if all those birthdays and all those playoff games are catching up with them.

The Spurs have been blasted by a combined 65-35 in the two third quarters.

"In general they seem to get stronger in the second half," Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich said. "I thought we went the opposite way."

"They just accelerate the offense," said Tony Parker, who missed six of his first seven shots before hitting a 3-pointer that gave the Spurs the lead at halftime. "We make some mistakes in transition. We let Peja hit some threes and Chris Paul was going to the basket a lot. We just have to play better defense. Our defense was breaking down a lot."

Yes, the Hornets have the challenge of trying to duplicate this effort on the road, and surely the Spurs will be more comfortable and more of their 3-pointers will fall back at the AT&T Center.

But it's the Hornets who know that they're the group with the superior athletes and the better game plan to date. They're hitting the road, but they're packing the knowledge that their way is working.

"We've got to stick to our principles," Chandler said. "I thought we played better defense tonight than we did in the first game."

So go ahead and hop aboard this New Orleans streetcar. Not only is it impossible to root against this city while it still has ravaged houses and abandoned blocks leftover from Hurricane Katrina, but this team doesn't constantly hit you over the head with a "Nobody respected us" hammer, just because people picked the more experienced Mavericks to beat them in the first round, or the Spurs to knock them off here.

"Logic will tell you that these teams were probably in position to beat us just because we're new here," David West said. "As long as we don't start doubting ourselves, we don't worry about other people's opinions. It's not worth it."

Maybe they didn't worry about other people's opinions. They sure are starting to change them.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080506

SpursLovers,

Where y'all at?

Defend your team!

I'm sure they are about to turn it on any time now (since it's the playoffs).

Also, the series is still going 7, I think.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16/TheSportsGuru/Spurs%20Rule/Obi-Wan-Ginobili-1024x768.jpg

The Spurs need to lose one at home first before I'm declaring this series officially over.

The Spurs need to lose one at home first before I'm declaring this series officially over.

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If the Spurs win next year, are they still considered DONE?

My claim is that this core (Duncan, Floppy & Little Tony) is DONE winning championships together.

Any other claims by others here are their own.

Glenn, are you voting today on the GR school board? Or are they done too?

Glenn, are you voting today on the GR school board? Or are they done too?

I don't live in GR, so no votey.

I guess you could say they are DONE. to me.

You are always talking about GR. How don't you live there? Do you hate Meijer too?

You are always talking about GR. How don't you live there? Do you hate Meijer too?

What is it with you people?

Let's not wreck another thread by attempting to change the subject from the Spurs being DONE.

My claim is that this core (Duncan, Floppy & Little Tony) is DONE winning championships together.

Any other claims by others here are their own.

Then don't we have to wait until 2009 to find out?

Why do you hate the Wings and Meijer?

Why do you hate Little Caesars as well?

Also, why do you have a problem with eating out a chick's bloody cunt?

Spurs = DONE.

Live with it.

I'm wondering if Bruce Bowen is done, at least as a starter. He's 37 years old, and may not have enough in the tank to D up for 20-30 mpg. I can't imagine Peja owning the Bowen of a couple years ago quite like this. I did a quick spot check and, until last year, I counted precisely one time that Peja dropped 20 points on him with >40% FG efficiency.

So next year they won't have this charade of Manu as a 6th man? What happens when Horry, Bowen, Finley and Barry are all DONE?

Glenn does have a school board and bond vote in his city today.

I have seen Glenn in Meijers twice.

I have no problem with Meijer or the Meijer family.

I have it on good word that they despise Manu Ginobili.

And Herm, that's kinda creepy.

So you guys like hang out? You ever eat any of Hermy's cooking Glenn?

He's apparently seen me, but I have no idea what he looks like so I am left to assume that he's the old lady in front of aisle 8 that is always trying to push those samples of Meijer brand shit on me.

Say hello, next time, Herm (but only if I am alone, mmk? It would be an odd thing to explain to the family).

I'm hard to miss, so if I saw Glenn in a store he'd know it's me.

So....the Spurs.

I think if the Hornets can grab a game in SA, they might be able to end it in 5.

More likely, it goes 7 with the home team winning every game.

I can see the Spurs winning handily at home with the home cooking and the flopping.

Chandler is going to be in foul trouble from the opening whistle in SA.

He's apparently seen me, but I have no idea what he looks like so I am left to assume that he's the old lady in front of aisle 8 that is always trying to push those samples of Meijer brand shit on me.

Say hello, next time, Herm (but only if I am alone, mmk? It would be an odd thing to explain to the family).


If I catch ya in the next month I'll say yo. Moving to Lake Orion in June. My pic is on my workplace website.

If you do see me you can say hi whenever. My wife knows I roll hard.

Anyway, the Spurs. They are IMO doing what they have always done, but the Hornets speed is just too much for a team that has never been athletic. Paul always looks like he's walking, but he walks right past every defender. And West is a star and deserves to be treated as suck. Biggest advantage the Hornets hold though is just not making mistakes, which used to be the Spurs boat. Maybe that's what makes them look old, they're pressing.

So....the Spurs.

I think if the Hornets can grab a game in SA, they might be able to end it in 5.

More likely, it goes 7 with the home team winning every game.

I can see the Spurs winning handily at home with the home cooking and the flopping.

Chandler is going to be in foul trouble from the opening whistle in SA.

I say spurs win next two, then Hornets win out in 6.

:sas:


As for the playoffs, I still expect the Lakers to win it all. I haven't decided yet, though, whether it'll be Boston or Detroit coming out of the East. I'd love for it to be Boston, but I can't help but have my doubts based on how the Celtics were exposed by the Atlanta Hawks in the first round. That series went 7 games because Boston couldn't deal with Atlanta's athleticism, nor could Boston defend well off the dribble.

As for the Hornets, I'm shocked at what they've done to the Spurs thus far, but the reality is that I shouldn't be. New Orleans is younger and quicker with more hunger. Plus, San Antonio has had trouble scoring all season long. If Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili are not clicking on all cylinders, it's tough for the Spurs. And that was before they faced anyone like Paul, so imagine how things are for them right now.

I'm picking the Hornets to win this series. Haven't decided yet whether it would be in 5 or 7 games. That would totally depend on San Antonio winning both Games 3 and 4. If not, the series ends in 5 because New Orleans is not going to lose at home.

Holla at ya'll later.

TRANSLATION:

THE SPURS ARE OLD AND SLOW

THE SPURS ARE OLD AND SLOW
TRANSLATION:

DONE

I didn't write this, but I could have...



Get a good look at the Spurs if they lose — next year's team is likely to be substantially different. Most of the Spurs' key complementary players are ancient by NBA standards and in the final year of their contracts. For instance, Horry (who richly deserves the name "cheap shot Bob" after his hit on David West in Thursday's game) is 37. Starting guard Michael Finley is 35. Starting forward Fabricio Oberto is 33. The Spurs will have to start a major retooling of the franchise.

They won't look to develop rookies, either. Their core is also getting old. Duncan is 32, and Ginobili is 30 (and his reckless style of play might lead to an early decline in his skills). It will be a big job ahead for the Spurs' front office. As long as their big three are together, the Spurs will always be a force, but in the rapidly changing Western Conference, they may be making a Dallas-like move from championship contender to playoff perennial.


http://www2.nysun.com/sports/hornets-win-will-signal-a-changing-of-guard/76608/

YOU NERVOUS GLENN?

I didn't write this, but I could have...

I agree. Your point is equally as vacuous.

YOU NERVOUS GLENN?

No, not nervous, mostly because I don't have a problem admitting when I am wrong.

If they win, I'll be wrong in that they'll make the WCF even though I didn't think they would.

I still don't think this core will win another title together.

I didn't write this, but I could have...



http://www2.nysun.com/sports/hornets-win-will-signal-a-changing-of-guard/76608/
Good points in there. I think they'll wait a couple more years before re-tooling. They aren't much older than us (from a starting 5 standpoint). The difference is that we already have a few good young players here and they don't. I suspect they'll just replace a couple guys with new MLE players and hope they can squeeze a couple more title runs out of TD.

Dumping Scola to save a few tax dollars doesn't look like that great of a decision right about now.

True. They also wasted their early 2nd rounder last year dumping Williams already (They better hope Splitter works out for them some day). They got nothing in 2006, 2005 or 2004 drafts. They could have had Barbosa in 2003, but traded that pick to the Suns. The last good pick was Scola in 2002, which as Glenn mentioned they let slip away. So basically since they drafted Parker in 2001, the Spurs have wasted every chance to add any depth to their team in the draft.

OK, so, they're just kind of medium-well right about now.

Not only that, LA is taylor-made for the Spurs to dominate.

the Spurs will make the finals, and it's hard to imagine it going longer than 6 games.

Here in Spain they love saying that Gasol has had good games against Duncan. Since this is a pretty homer thing to say, is it true?

No.

I think Pau is 0 for the century against duncan in playoff games.

The Spurs swept his team out of the playoffs a few years back, and when they met in the olympic tournament, Duncan won again.

Tim Duncan is a machine programmed to be fundamentally perfect, and Gasol is a shambling greasy hobo junkie. No question Timbot walks away with this one.

Good to know I'm not alone as I argue with an entire nation.

Edit: And I am a Pau fan. Just realistic though I hope.

My assessment of the Spurs and their inability to even make the WCF has proven to be wrong.

Again, I was wrong.

I still think they are done winning championships with this core, but make no mistake, I was wrong about them not making the WCF.

Hopefully I can learn from this and move on.

Lastly, I was wrong about them not making the WCF.

Go Lakers?

I bet the Lakers are really missing Bynum right now. They could use another big to defend TD. Does Farmar get a lot more PT? Fisher will get abused by Parker. Will Kobe be on Manu most of the time? LA needs to ride Odom. The Spurs don't really have anyone to defend him

My assessment of the Spurs and their inability to even make the WCF has proven to be wrong.

Again, I was wrong.

I still think they are done winning championships with this core, but make no mistake, I was wrong about them not making the WCF.

Hopefully I can learn from this and move on.

Lastly, I was wrong about them not making the WCF.

Go Lakers?

Fine, OK Glenn, you're the most honest and humble basketball prognosticator ever. [smilie=rolleyes.gi:

Where's that sig Danza...errr I mean Danzig?

Never agreed to it.

Nice try.

The after the fact confidence is oh, so sexy.

So you chickened out? OK your prerogative, but its just a sig and theres no after the fact confidence in bringing up something i brought up back when it didnt look likely. You were damn near leaning towards the idea when you were confident, now its "I never agreed to anything" after the fact. :cornbread:

I hear Texas cockroaches are the toughest to kill.

Tim Duncan is a machine programmed to be fundamentally perfect, and Gasol is a shambling greasy hobo junkie. No question Timbot walks away with this one.
I think Kobe is a bigger factor as if Odom's new found efficiency.

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The Spurs have had enough of a history of success where I'm not inclined to count them out until after it's happened, kinda like how economists define "recession". (The same goes for the Pistons, BTW.) My first instinct when I saw the thread title was to post something about TD swatting this shit to The Stands.
Yessir!

So you chickened out? OK your prerogative, but its just a sig and theres no after the fact confidence in bringing up something i brought up back when it didnt look likely. You were damn near leaning towards the idea when you were confident, now its "I never agreed to anything" after the fact. :cornbread:

Did I chicken out or was I just wise enough to not take a wager where there was no benefit even if I had won?

I seem to recall posing an open ended request for something in return if I was right, which was met with *crickets*.

Oh, but you'll call me out NOW.

No, that's not opportunistic at all.

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Yuk it up, I deserve it for having an opinion, lol.

Some guy on Rome just referred to them as "The San Antonio Sterns".

That's funny, but the Hornets didn't get screwed, they played like shit and deserved to lose.

Talk about anti-climatic ending. The game just seemed to end with no real excitment. I might think differently if I were a Spurs fan.

but thats what the Spurs do. Just grind it down.

Yuk it up, I deserve it for having an opinion, lol.

Climb on up G.

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Thanks, preciate it.

Did I chicken out or was I just wise enough to not take a wager where there was no benefit even if I had won?

I seem to recall posing an open ended request for something in return if I was right, which was met with *crickets*.

Oh, but you'll call me out NOW.

No, that's not opportunistic at all.
In return you would have gained respect and dignity, you declined the offer.
So, no soup for you.

:newman:

Here's my daughter's step stool to help Glenn get up.

http://www.growingtreetoys.com/images/products/sm/017709.jpg

We can bring this discussion back up when the Spurs win their next ring.

It will be a ton of laughs!

Yes, because only a championship means you were wrong. We didn't spend PAGES going over this or anything.

Yes, because only a championship means you were wrong. We didn't spend PAGES going over this or anything.

I was wrong about them not making the WCF, I don't deny that.

Yes, we did spend many pages on this, and in those pages I specifically tried to be clear and consistent about what I meant about them being "DONE." so this exact thing that you are doing right now wouldn't happen.

Now you've made me dig up old posts and waste my time, making me grumpy.

Read these two:
http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=245666&postcount=155
http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=245668&postcount=156

From #156 above:

So, in essence, you guys have the opportunity to nail me for being wrong on two different things:

1)They won't win another title
2)They won't even make the WCF


And a few more examples of me reiterating what I meant when I was asked to define what being "DONE." meant:
http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=242348&postcount=154
http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=247718&postcount=190

So in summary, I feel and have felt, that this core group of Spurs is DONE. winning championships. As a seperate aside, I stated that I felt so strongly that this was the case that I was even willing to state that they would not even make the WCF this year. That, as it turns out, I was wrong about, and I freely admit it.

If they win another championship together, then I am wrong about both aspects, but until they do, I'm only wrong about them not making the WCF this year.

In fact, even if they had lost to the Hornets, the claim of them being "DONE." would not have been proven to be correct. They could have still proven me wrong by winning it all in '09 or '10, etc.

Capish?

Okay, resume pushing buttons now, Fool.

Hi. I was here for all that. And I think you'll find Mr. Archivist, that I'm saying now what I said then.

It's ridiculous to say that the only way you are not right is if they win a championship. Wooooo what a claim. You are taking the field. So ballsy.

As though getting to the Finals again wouldn't show that they were still a viable team. As if loosing a hard fought series against a championship team still means they were DONE.

When did I say it was ballsy?

You can argue if it was ballsy or not all day.

I'll stick with the facts.

Unless they win another championship together, then they are indeed done winning championships together.

Go ahead and try to disprove that.

Again, I was wrong because I thought they wouldn't even make the WCF, and they have. Props to them.

They better get that ring now, because that ship is sailing real quick.

I'm not trying to disprove jack. When we finally figured out that is what you were saying we were all bored and left the thread which only regained life in
mocking you.

I predict no volcanoes will erupt in the next 20 days. Volcanoes = DONE.

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