Well I just heard a juicy little tibit.

Basically the thing that Les Miles telling recruits about Lloyd having an illness is more than likely true.

Rumor (strong rumor, confirmed by multiple sources who have friends and family who played at Michigan) that Lloyd has Parkinsons, mild case.

This is the thing that Les Miles has supposedly been telling recruits.

Well I just heard a juicy little tibit.

Basically the thing that Les Miles telling recruits about Lloyd having an illness is more than likely true.

Rumor (strong rumor, confirmed by multiple sources who have friends and family who played at Michigan) that Lloyd has Parkinsons, mild case.

This is the thing that Les Miles has supposedly been telling recruits.

A Google search of "Lloyd Carr Parkinson's" yields internet rumors of the disease as far back as 2004.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLF_enUS213&q=lloyd+carr+parkinson%27s

Going back on topic to try and save Fool from further embarassment.

"Three separate sources indicate that Carr has made his decision to retire official and people around the athletic department are being told. The formal announcement will come after the Ohio State game, possibly at the Monday press conference, possibly a day or two later." From MGOBLUE

Yeah, but when I say rumor, I mean fact.

"Three separate sources indicate that Carr has made his decision to retire official and people around the athletic department are being told. The formal announcement will come after the Ohio State game, possibly at the Monday press conference, possibly a day or two later." From MGOBLUE


Understood.

Also, new threadworthy.

Sucks that he's ill. Glad he's leaving.

Hope he is ok firstly. Here is one of those stories Glenn mentioned.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20070829_Carr_still_rolling_despite_bumps.html

I wouldnt put in the title he is leaving for health concerns.

I just posted the thing about his health as it relates to Les Miles, not to his retiring. His family has wanted him to retire for a few years now.

Interesting. Now whats the Les Miles connection in this? I don't understand, he was telling recruits that Lloyd was sick for what?

I can't imagine that Michigan and LSU have many of the same prospective recruits, since LSU's "premiere" talent tends to come from areas Michigan usually don't get big time recruits from...

I'm sorry to hear that he's (possibly) ill.

But if he is, then coaching big time college football is probably not the best thing for him.

Are there other legit candidates other than Miles? Brian Kelly?

It doesn't sound like anyone on the current staff is worthy.

Can we change the front page to "Is Lloyd dying?"

I would love that title.

Are there other legit candidates other than Miles? Brian Kelly?

It doesn't sound like anyone on the current staff is worthy.


Dead on about the current staff, there'd be an outrage if Mike DeBord is named new headcoach...

Cam Cameron?

Does anyone have anything besides rumors and internet speculations?

Jai Eugene, Joseph Barksdale to name a few guys that LSU and UM have gone H2H for over the last couple of years.

There are others.

Lloyd (Ann Arbor, MI): I'm thinking of making up some health scare to get out of my job with a little dignity, it's getting pretty hot over here. Any suggestions?

Langlois: Thanks for writing, "Lloyd". Deception in sports is pretty commonplace these days, actually. Let me check with Tom Wilson and I'll get back to you. Go Pistons!

Does anyone have anything besides rumors and internet speculations?

WTFDetroit is well known for breaking stories like this, Wizzle.

These stories ALWAYS turn out to be fact.

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Cam Cameron?

lol, if that happens...poor Dolphins fans.

And sick? Yeah, probably sick of all you bootlicks...LOL MIRITE?


Get well, Lloyd.

this is really sad, if true. it may (or may not) be for the best that hes leaving, i was really hoping he would be leaving on his terms. lloyd carr was truly dumped on for no reason. running a clean program that actually maintained a true student athlete program while also keeping michigan among the very top football programs in the country for a ten year span is unbelievable. if his successor maintains anything close in all three fields i'll be very happy.

BRING BACK THE BO.

If Lloyd does have Parkinson`s, thats too bad. However, I have been hearing Lloyd is indeed done this year and Les Miles has his suitcases packed.

Out of curiosity, what is Miles` experience prior to LSU?

Assistant at Oklahoma State, Michigan, Colorado, and for the Dallas Cowboys.

I am reading this in a couple more places now.

re:Miles He filled in for God when God was at those out of town meetings.

I've been hearing this for a couple years, the Parkinsons rumor. I also hear that Les Miles is about HATED within the current UM athletic staff. Believe it or not, MICHIGAN thinks he's an arrogant arsehole.
He was the HC at Okie State before the LSU gig came up. Brought that program out of the toilet.

Let the speculation begin. John Gruden? Urban Meyer? Cam Cameron?
Bet lil Jimmy Harbaugh wishes he'd a just kept his yap shut a little longer. What a fag.

First of all, IF it comes down this way, I wish Lloyd the best. I hope it's mild and beatable, or at least manageable. He is to be commended for his service to UM, stepping in when Moeller went upside the PoPo's head a few years back, and won an NC.
The timing of it is totally classic Lloyd the Michigan Man. This will give UM a head start on the two other big schools out there who will be looking for a new coach: Texas A&M and Nebraska.
It is widely speculated in Big 12 Country that Texas A&M will go hard, as in bootlick hard aftet Tommy Tubberville, and Nebraska is rumored to be interested in Jim Leavitt and Paul Johnson of Navy.

If Lloyd hangs it up after OSU (I thought he might announce as early as Friday), UM will beat those two schools out, as they both have a bye week this week and one game left afterward.

Tom Izzo.

Tom Izzo.

*Pwned

If this is true, then I feel for Lloyd. I hope for the best for him.

As much as everyone gets on him, he's still helped Michigan to a decade of good football. It may be time for him to step down, but I wish it was on his own terms, not the terms of a disease. Hopefully he has a say as to who the next head coach is, as I'm sure his opinion is highly respected.

Maybe Lloyd can stay on as a recruiter. [smilie=hmm.gif]

"Hopefully he has a say as to who the next head coach is"

Motown, by all accounts, Lloyd seems to want MIKE DEBORD to replace him.
Are you ready for that?

I heard Les Miles has a pretty hefty buyout if, and only if, he goes to Michigan...

Would Michigan have to pay the buyout?


Also would he be able to recruit the south, and bring Pelini with him?

so thats like a 5 part question...

God, if DeBord is the next coach...

I'll be pissed.

The plan was for Debord to replace Carr, but the early losses this season to put a stop to that.

If Miles is the man a donor will step in and pay the buyout.

I give the reliability of Coach Carr announcing next monday about a 2-3 out of 10.

I give the reliability that Coach Carr has parksinsons about a 7-8 out of 10.

Coach Carr retiring after this season is a 6 out of 10 (really to me depending on how the OSU game goes, if they win it goes up to 8-9 out of 10).

Art, I hope you aren't an engineer with that irresponsible math.

Either Carr is gone, or Michigan football loses what little credibility it has left.

LeDezma: Bo Pellini is probably on the cusp of getting his own HC gig. If Miles goes to UM, Pellini may not end up there with him.

Everything is rumor to this point. So people spreading rumors does not touch any credibility that Michigan may have left.

Brian at his blog uses a lot of information from Rivals and Scout and tries to pass the info he gleans from there as his own sources.

There is a guy on the Scout board that really does have insider information and I am trying to get him to verify anything with regards to these rumors.

LeDezma: Bo Pellini is probably on the cusp of getting his own HC gig. If Miles goes to UM, Pellini may not end up there with him.


Seems to me like LSU might want to keep Pellini as Miles replacement. In that scenario, it might already be a done deal and Miles is using this time to help the transition and do a little on the job training.

That might make Miles' exit a little more palatable for LSU, which is something that Miles probably would like.

I don't think there is a whole lotta love out there for Pellini as the HC of a big time program yet. The fans in Nebraska love the guy, but the local media can't get over the perception of Pellini as a hot head. The other knock on Pellini was that he was great against the softies on the schedule, but the more talented teams figured him out easily. In his only season here as DC, he turned the defense around, but their three losses were by a combined score of about 120-30. He had an on field incident with Bill Snyder of Kansas State, accusin ghim of running up the score (the final was 38-9 KSU). All Snyder did was run the ball the entire second half.
Pellini is not thought of as a great recruiter, but the spin is that he doesn;t do much of it due to his responsibilities as a DC.
As for UM's situation, I think Ron English is as good a DC as Pellini, just not as seasoned. Until Wisconsin, I felt English had done a tremendous job with this year's defense.
Pellini would be better suited at Nebraska (I forgot to mention him as a possibility here), because Lord Osborne will be there to watch over his shoulder and help with recroots (Osborne recently talked the #1 Juco prospect in the country into committing to the Corn). Pellini bootlickingly wanted the HC job here when Solich was fired. He was the HC for their bowl win over MSU a few years back. I think he would be receptive to the approach that Osborne wants a say in who will be the offensive coordinator, and what kind of offense the team will run (can you say Option type football?). IF that is the approach that the Corn will use, they'll have a hard time getting a "name" guy like Leavitt. Pellini or Paul Johnson appear to fit that mold, along with Turner Gill at Buffalo.

I think they go with Paul Johnson the Navy coach. He can take them back to the days of the option.

I think they go with Paul Johnson the Navy coach. He can take them back to the days of the option.


Perilloux will take a beating in that offense...

I was talking about for Nebraska.

If Miles comes to UM. Expect Bo Pelini to get the job.

Lead story on SportsCenter? I guess I didn't think it was this "official" yet.

From what I've heard, Lloyd was ready to retire after the 2005 Rose Bowl if Shazor would have blocked that field goal vs Texas. He also talked about retirement after last year, but Martin talked him into another year. Henne, Hart, and Long wouldn't announce they were coming back until Lloyd said he was. The writing has been on the wall for a while.

I saw a few reports on ESPN, E News, etc today too and now the reporters were like..."yea, oh you didn't know? Not quite that bad but close.

I'd say if true, the blogosphere broke it. Not the ESPNs.

I saw a few reports on ESPN, E News, etc today too and now the reporters were like..."yea, oh you didn't know? Not quite that bad but close.

I'd say if true, the blogosphere broke it. Not the ESPNs.

http://www.keyboardwarriors.com/brad.gif

When will he announce his plans? After Ohio State? Or at the end of the season depending on the outcome of the last game?

Either way, I hope Mr. Carr enjoys his retirement, he certainly earned it.

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/les.jpg

Mike Martz?

I am hearing that Carr does not like Miles and wants either the black defensive co-ordinator (I forget his name at the moment) or DeBord. I have also heard Carr is willing to coach another year to ice out Miles.

Ron English.

I heard we already have a thread on the Carr leaving topic.

What carries more weight for you guys.......Doc Tre breaking numerous stories or Bukdow "having inside info" regarding Michigan's head coach?

bukdow having inside info. At least he's been a man and stayed here.

Excellent swat.

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/10/50/22245010.jpg

Well it is looking more and more like Monday is it.

Good article here. Check it oot.http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=dw-carr111507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

That was good. I liked the 'its not UofM vs LSU, its where UofM rates against the rest of the B10 vs where LSU rates vs blah blah blah.

He was NOT convinced that Carr does NOT want Miles, like some other articles I've read.

And...Tressel never played at OSU...at least I think thats right, but he has our number. Why not go outside to look for a coach, or at least consider it if you can't get the right guy in the family? Good ponit.

Any new rumors this morning?

Bukdow?

Art?

So if Miles comes here, is it a lock that Pelini comes with him? Or does he get some looksies from other colleges for HC ops?

What a way to go out! Giving his best shots, leaving it all out on the field.

Monday 10:AM presser!
Ding dong, the witch is dead, the wicked witch is deeeaaadddd!

Nother dinosaur who needs to go away and stop holding his school hostage is Joe Paterno.

Inside information follows, not to be shared anywhere outside of WTF:

The word from program insiders is that the real reason Lloyd is leaving is that he is pissed off about the Adidas deal. He's taking all of his Nike apparel and is launching a rap music label called "3 and out".

Mario Manningham's going to be one of the back up dancers in the debut single, I heard.

Official


Michigan coach Carr to step down after 13 seasons with Wolverines

Associated Press

Updated: November 18, 2007, 5:07 PM ET

ANN ARBOR, Mich. -- Michigan coach Lloyd Carr will announce his retirement Monday after 13 seasons with the Wolverines.

Carr told The Associated Press of his decision Sunday by phone and said he would not comment further. A press conference will be held Monday on campus.

The news comes a day after Michigan lost to Ohio State for the fourth straight year, ending a trying regular season for Carr and the Wolverines that started with an embarrassing loss to Appalachian State.

It was a move many expected last winter when he altered his contract, paving the way for this to be his last season on the sideline, and later made sure the school gave all of his assistants unprecedented, two-year deals.

Linebacker Chris Graham told the AP earlier that Carr let the team know of his plans during a meeting Sunday.

Carr is 121-40 over 13 seasons with a .752 winning percentage, ranking him seventh among active coaches just behind Florida State's Bobby Bowden and ahead of South Carolina's Steve Spurrier before he retired.

But in a what-have-you-done-lately environment, Carr will be remembered by some for the way his team closed seasons toward the end of his career and how it opened 2007.

The four consecutive losses to Ohio State, matched Michigan's longest losing streak in the storied series, and Carr became the first coach in school history to lose six times in seven years in the rivalry.

The Jim Tressel-led Buckeyes beat the Wolverines 14-3, Saturday, dropping Carr to 6-7 overall in the matchup that matters most.

Carr led the Wolverines to the 1997 national championship and five Big Ten titles. He won .779 percent of his conference games, trailing the success rate of just two coaches that were in the Big Ten for at least a decade: Michigan's Bo Schembechler and Fielding Yost. Against top-10 teams, Carr was 17-9.

Michigan has lost its last four bowl games, including three Rose Bowls, the longest postseason skid since Schembechler dropped seven straight in the 1970s.

The Wolverines were ranked No. 5 before this season started with voters who thought returning stars on offense would make up for inexperienced players on defense and special teams.

Then, they began the season by losing to second-tier Appalachian State, becoming the first ranked team to lose to a team from the Football Championship Subdivision, formerly Division I-AA. That led to an unprecedented fall out of the poll.

Michigan followed up that embarrassment by losing to Oregon 39-7 at home, its worst loss since 1968.

The Wolverines did rally, however, with eight straight wins and had a chance to win the Big Ten title outright and earn a spot in the Rose Bowl in the regular-season finale against Ohio State. With the loss to the Buckeyes, Michigan is likely to end up in the Outback Bowl or the Alamo Bowl.

Carr's career was a lot like the 2007 season: relatively rough at the start; great in the middle; lackluster toward the end.

The longtime assistant was elevated to interim coach on May 16, 1995, after Gary Moeller resigned following a drunken confrontation with police. Michigan dropped the interim tag toward the end of his first season.

The Wolverines lost four games in each of Carr's first two seasons, then went 12-0 and won the national championship a decade ago.

Michigan won Big Ten titles in 1997, 1998, 2000, 2003 and 2004 under Carr.

The Wolverines were 7-5 two years ago, their worst season in two decades, and bounced back in 2006 with 11 wins and a third trip to the Rose Bowl in four years.

Carr was born July 30, 1945, in Hawkins County, Tenn. He graduated from Northern Michigan and began his coaching career at Nativity High School in Detroit.

After a few more stops, Schembechler hired him in 1980 as defensive backs coach and promoted him to defensive coordinator in 1987. He held that job through the 1994 season.

People have been talking about his possible successor for months, if not years.

LSU coach Les Miles seems to be at the top of the list because he played for Schembechler at Michigan, where he met his wife and later became an assistant there under Schembechler.

Even though Miles appears to be in a great situation leading the top-ranked Tigers in a talent-rich area of the country, the school was concerned enough about him bolting for Michigan that it put a specific clause in his contract to make it an expensive move.

In the "termination by coach'' section of his deal, Michigan is the only other school mentioned. It states that Miles will not seek or accept employment as Michigan's coach. If Miles does leave LSU to coach the Wolverines, he must pay LSU $1.25 million.

Other candidates might include Carolina Panthers Mike Trgovac, who played for the Wolverines and joined their coaching staff in 1984 as a graduate assistant, and Kirk Ferentz of Iowa, where University of Michigan President Mary Sue Coleman was before coming to Ann Arbor.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

And now we dance....

This promises to be an exciting off season for the UM football program and its fans. Miles has got to be The Man, with either Mike Trgovac, Brian Kelly, or possibly Ron English waiting in the wings.

I know the Sparties are giddy over their 7-5, but the last few weeks have been almost anti climactic, with the Worst Kept Secret in the whole wide world being that Lloyd was hanging it up.

I would think Lloyd's recruits had an inkling of what was going to happen, so I expect a smooth transition, and no recruiting defections. I also know that Dantonio will be wondering what the hell happened to his career, as I am optimistic that Michigan will bring in a guy who will continue Michigan's 40 year dominance of the Green.
There's no question that the State will get a lot Bluer and Maizer within the next 8 weeks.
FUCK SPARTY!

not a fan of the little fella, but nice article

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071118/SPORTS06/71118039


There may never be another like Carr at U-M
November 18, 2007

By MITCH ALBOM

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

He knew the whole time Saturday, knew the moment he took the field, knew the moment he walked off it, knew the moment he came in for his last crowded postgame media session on the campus that he loved for the team he adored. His departure was already set, even if it was still a secret, and as he stood there you'd think all that “last-time-I-do-this” stuff might have rendered him emotional, choked him up, revealed itself in a quivering voice or moistened eyes.

Instead, Lloyd Carr, after the season-ending loss to Ohio State, stepped to the podium and said, “Questions?” and the group of reporters was slow to begin, so there was a gap of silence, to which Carr said, “No questions? Thank you” and faked a departure, and everyone laughed.

Then he stepped up and said these two sentences:

“Let's go. It's not that hard.”

In the end, it really wasn't that hard. Not to go. Not for Lloyd Carr. He has never been defined by his job and he never will be. When enough is enough, few people will know it better than this introspective, 62-year-old football version of a Jimmy Stewart character. Stewart was always about the good beneath whatever role he played, and Carr was, too. Michigan will lose a whistle today when his retirement, after 28 years at Michigan and 13 seasons as head coach, is made official. But what Carr wore around his neck was never as important as what he carried in his chest.

Say good-bye to the good guy, maybe the last of them. Whoever coaches Michigan next will have to be more business than Carr was, more about national titles, less about hospital visits, more about the recruiting, less about philosophy. It is just the way the world works, and the world has moved quickly on Carr. In recent years, you could see the weariness showing on his face, in his jowls, in his eyes, which became steelier and angrier as the silliness grew in college football.

Remember, this is a guy who started in Ann Arbor in 1980, less than one year after ESPN was created. In his time, he has seen the Big Ten grow to 11, the Rose Bowl go from Granddaddy to group member, and the goal of college football go from playing on Jan. 1 to playing on Jan. 7.

Carr has been adaptable, but he is not a chameleon. He is not a guy to change his colors. He has been maize and blue and he'll retire maize and blue and he'll be loyal, always, to maize and blue. But it's time, for him, to see the rest of the rainbow.

The pressures of the sport

“I think Lloyd's gonna give it up. I think he's had it.”

You know who told me that? Bo Schembechler, several years ago. I never mentioned it. Never told Carr. But clearly, the idea of leaving didn't just flash across Carr's brain. He has considered it before. Remember, he was part of the Schembechler line, but he was not a clone. Bo would have coached until the day he died if the doctors let it. Lloyd wants to do some living before doctors become an issue. The daily drain of coaching a major football program, the pressure, the alumni, the media, the scrutiny, is like opening a faucet on your life force. Carr has likely had enough.

But let's be clear. This is not about Ohio State. This is not about Jim Tressel. This is not about losing six of the last seven to the Buckeyes. And this is not about this year's 8-4 record.

Carr is above all that. He gets the Big Picture. If he was leaving this year, he was leaving at 8-4, 10-2 or 12-0. If he wasn't, the team could have gone 4-8 and he would have come back.

As for the Internet nation, the sports talk collective and the nonstop bloggers who have been screaming for Carr's head, calling him archaic, past his prime, beneath the task, if you are celebrating today's announcement, I can only tell you this: be careful what you wish for. Take a look at other programs that have been chasing national championships, the hot coach of the moment. Look at Nebraska. Look at LSU. Look at Miami (Fla.). Is that what you want? One great year or else? A coach who uses you then jumps someplace better? Is college football only about a national title? Is it only about the noise and complaining when you don't beat your rival?

Lloyd Carr may not have won every game, but he was loyal to this program, adamant about keeping it honorable, devoted to the players, and intent on creating the finest team he could. That intensity resulted in a national championship, a bushel of Big Ten titles, a 121-40 record and a .752 winning percentage, ranking him seventh among active coaches, and trailing only Fielding H. Yost (165-29-10) and Schembechler (194-48-5) in career victories at Michigan. As for what has he done for you lately? Well. As late as one year ago, Michigan was 11-0 and No. 2 in the nation. You almost forget that in the instant gratification world we've created.

Maybe that's part of why he's getting out.

An amazing legacy

Today, I'm sure, Carr will elaborate on his reasons, his memories, his plans. He will be asked about who coaches next in Ann Arbor and that will be debated and will become the next hot topic, because we don't pause long on nostalgia any more.

But in anticipation of what we will hear today, let's end with something we heard a few months ago. This was when Michigan fell to 0-2, after being a preseason top five pick. People were bailing on the program. Fans were calling for Carr's head. The year was already, in many people's minds, a bust.

But not to Carr. He stood tall. He answered questions patiently. Then someone in the news conference asked how he was handling the criticism and the rumors he might be fired. Carr paused, then spoke about a kid who had sent him a short note of encouragement. And through the cameras and the microphones, he answered that kid:

“I'm doing great,” he said. “You don't know me, but those who do know me, friend and foe, I think would agree that I'm a tough-minded competitive guy, and there isn't anything that comes my way that I can't handle professionally. And there is nothing -- nothing -- that can keep me down. Not a loss to Appalachian State. Not a loss to Oregon. Not a hundred losses. And not the loss of my job. …

“You're probably gonna lose a lot of games the next few years. My advice to you is when you lose, don't make excuses, don't blame your coaches, your teammates or the officials. Just play every day as hard as you can, and regardless of what the outcome of those games are, you keep your head high. Because if you're doing everything you can to the best of your ability, you have nothing to be embarrassed about.”

Then he looked at the media and said, “That's all I got for you.”

And he left.

And Michigan won its next eight games.

Say good-bye to the good guy, maybe the last of them. In an Ann Arbor autumn where losses were a familiar topic, this is the biggest loss of them all.

I like how he alludes to health concerns in the middle there but he went for alliteration over another allusion in that last line chosing "Ann Arbor" over "Michigan". Probably for the best though as implying that losing Llyodd Carr is worse then the auto industry losses is overboard even for the dude who combs his hair over his ears.

Mitch Albom has never been anything but a sappy moralizing preacher. How many Harvard-Yale games does he write about? How come Joe Bugel isn't coaching?
Who is he to speculate on the morals and the feelings of anyone, even the next Michigan coach?
OOPS! He wrote a story about being at a game with some MSU guys that turned out to be a fabrication right?

He needs to hook up those satellite dishes he calls ears and get a grip on what's going on in the real world rather than being just another media hypocrite.

Nice job on the heads up in this thread, Art.

Rob Parker: "My moles tell me that Lloyd Carr doesn't want Les Miles as the next head coach."

bukdow, are you working for Rob Parker?

Thanks, Rob, for telling us what we've known for quite some time now.
What next, that Alex Rodriguez will win the American league MVP award?

Lloyd doesn't want Miles because Miles is a real coach, and will, by comparison, have everyone asking what the FUCK took so long to get rid of Carr.

Rob Parker is a genius. A-Rod did in fact win the MVP.

I like how Rob thinks he's big enough around Detroit to have "moles" too.

http://www.detnews.com/graphics/columnistmugs/RobParker.jpg

He's got CWPF's too.

And he is also not allowed under the green and white tent.

I like how people think Detroit is a town big enough to have moles. C'mon, Detroit doesn't have moles, they were probably all murdered! AHHAHAAHHA haha..heh..ahem.
I can't figure out which is more pathetic: Rob Parker saying "My moles tell me...." or that statement making it into print or onto the airwaves.

Well, ESPN2 is "Mr. Irrelevent".

Source Bodog through the freep


THE ODDS

Les Miles, LSU coach -- 2/1

Kirk Ferentz, Iowa coach -- 9/2

Mike Trgovac, Carolina Panthers defensive coordinator -- 5/1

Brian Kelly, Cincinnati coach and former Central Michigan and Grand Valley coach -- 6/1

Ron English, U-M defensive coordinator -- 6/1

Bret Bielema, Wisconsin coach -- 7/1

Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons coach -- 10/1

Jon Gruden, Tampa Bay Bucs coach -- 10/1

Jim Harbaugh, Stanford coach and U-M alum -- 10/1

Bill Cowher, ex-Pittsburgh Steelers coach -- 15/1

Field (all others) -- 2/1

Bodog has LM even, not sure if it moved or a mistake on the freep

Who will be named the next head coach of the Michigan Wolverines football team?

Les Miles

1/1

Kirk Ferentz

9/2

Mike Trgovac

5/1

Brian Kelly

6/1

Ron English

6/1

Bret Bielema

7/1

Bobby Petrino

15/1

Jon Gruden

15/1

Jim Harbaugh

15/1

Bill Cowher

20/1

Field

2/1

Jim Tressel (all others) -- 20/1, how many Wolverines would support that pick up?

In all honesty, I pick Les Miles or Ron English to be the next alpha male of those woodland creatures we call Wolverines.

Balkan, unfortunately we can't have everything we want.

Watching LM almost break down crying when all they did was ask him a question was over the top for me.

I thought it was hilarious.

If I want to watch somebody cry, I'll start watching daytime soaps

looks like Kirk Ferentz could be the leader in the clubhouse. Les wants it so bad, but his skeletons are coming out and might be hard to overlook.

care to share?

It would figure for UM to hire another lame ass like Kirk Ferentz. It fits in with the overall de-emphasizing of athletics at Michigan under Mary Sue Coleman.

i heard a rumor that les bought a house in ann arbor in the last month. sounds like COMPLETE bs to me, but just passing it along.

I thought he stood a chance when I read how the Coleman(?) thought he was such a great guy. Fuck football, KL is a great guy. We're not concerned about winning, its about hiring good people type of thing. You can do both.

The football teams number one priority is to make sure the university can fund womens volleyball, swimming and all that other shit.

LOL, quite a rant for not even knowing if this is true, or if KL will worth a damn.

KL as in Kirk and Les?

I heard Ferentz was in play last week and just figured it was an uninformed sports radio guy suggesting it, which in hindsight, makes me uninformed, I suppose.

Didn't Ferentz just let Western Michigan come into his house an do him?

I'm sure he's a fine coach, and he's been fielding interest from the NFL for years now (which is another concern) but he's just screaming "safe choice" to me.

If you are looking for 8-4 and 9-3 seasons, he might be the guy.

I really hoped that they'd try to hit a home run with this hiring, and this isn't it, IMO.

I'd be much more excited with Brian Kelly, actually.

I'd take Brian Kelly over Ferentz in a heartbeat.
The trouble is that there is a faction in the UM athaletic department which hates Les Miles, and it is led by none other than Lloyd Freaking Carr (otherwise known as the Grim Reaper of UM football). Some shit about Miles and recruiting against Lloyd (Lloyd is rumored to have Parkinsosn's as we all know. Miles must have been telling that to recroots). Also, that Miles rubbed alot of people here the wrong way when he was an assistant. Now, Mary Sue Coleman, the pres of UM, isn't terribly interested in football from what MY insiders tell me, plus she has a man man crush on Ferentz (she hired him at Iowa).
All of this adds up to UM blowing what should be a slam dunk perfect deal. It was sanctioned, of course, by Lloyd Carr's personal ballsack washer Mike Rosenberg of the Free Press who wrote that bullshit article about the "hot coach not alwasy being the best choice". Uh, OK, let me get this straight: A PROVEN winner in two places (one of them a former deathbed called Oklahoma State), a lifetime proven assistant, a guy known for constantly evolving coaching styles, who PLAYED at UM, who LOVES UM, and who can recruit anywhere anytime for UM, who would bring PASSION and FIRE to Michigan football (something severely lacking since about 1985), and you don;t think it is a perfect fit?

Ferentz built Iowa up, and has been in control and now it is a pile of dung. Granted, it's Iowa, but how do you build something up, become a totally hot commoddity, and then it goes to dung, and now, NOW you are considered for the job at MICHIGAN? This would be the end of Michigan football. Drew Sharp's article was right on: UM is teetering on second tier status (uh, the one based on REALITY, WTF Detroit members) with Nebraska. Both of these programs need to get it right, or both can look forward to many more years of being laughed at.

Nice call on the MSC/Ferentz connection, I had forgotten about that.

Fuck.

Miles had recruiting problems at OSU. His program was more aligned to the SEC way of thinking than the Big 10.

I dont want Miles or Ferentz. As long as Gittleson and Debord are gone though, i can live with just about anyone.

Schiano and Petrino are my 2 guys though.

What is John L. Smith up to?

(sorry, seeing Petrino's name made me think of him)

(Last I head JLS was scouting for the St. Louis Rams)

Would Tom Izzo consider the job?

(sorry again)

There is rumor that Mooch is interested, but he aint going to get it.

Schiano is Penn State bound if he ever leaves Rutgers. Otherwise, he'll stay there, unless maybe Notre Dame opens up.

Gary Mohler could come back and 'bring drinkin back'

I heard today that if LM is hired than McGuffie is gone, but if its KF than McGuffie will be at Michigan next year.

I don't think we should base our coaching needs on a freshman that hasn't played a single snap of college football.

(MoTown, you're supposed to say something hateful about McGuffie and the future of Michigan football regardless of the coach if you want to get into the tent!)

I don't think we should base our coaching needs on a freshman that hasn't played a single snap of college football.

MoTown, you're missing the point. We need Ferentz, and another 13 years of mediocrity, but we'll be able to watch McGuffie jump over defensive backs for the next four years!
Just think of the damage he'll do against teams like Arkansas in the Capitol One Bowl!

I don't even wanna think about it, Zip!!

(who's Kirk Ferentz?)

I know who he is

You might have to stop thinking about it and start learning to say "I'm a Michigan State Fan along with Zip Goshboots"

http://www.mgoblog.com/

I heard today that if LM is hired than McGuffie is gone, but if its KF than McGuffie will be at Michigan next year.

I thought his choice was based on whether we kept Fred Jackson or not.

No Chris, apparently McGuffie and Les had a huge falling out while Sam was being recruited and LM told him that he didn't think he was a college running back and he wanted him to play safety or WR. He said that even if they kept Jackson he would be going to Texas A&M, but I'm not sure how he feels about old ass Mike Sherman being the coach there.

well, I would never take a coach based on a recruit. However, I have also heard some pretty wierd things about Miles lately too.

I can understand his stance on McGuffie though. I have a hard time believing McGuffie is an every down RB. I don't think his frame can take a pounding like that. Maybe he's a lot stronger than he looks, I don't know. In all the highlights I've seen he's not taking many hits, so you can't tell what his durability might be.

I love how the smear campaigns kick into gear the second any candidate is mentioned.

It's almost like politics.

Sounds like Les Miles will be the next head coach at Michigan. Kirk Ferentz has officially taken himself out of the running and Les has emerged as not only a strong candidate, but the only candidate. As you would expect with Martin, he will let LM take care of business this weekend in the SEC Championship Game, but you can expect that after that he will be named as the coach of Michigan. No specifics on contracts or what will happen with the bowl games.

It would only make sense for Lloyd to coach Michigan and Miles to coach LSU, but some seem to think that Les accepting the Michigan offer will piss off enough people that they won't want him coaching a bowl game.

I was listening to ??? Sports show and they said that it'll be easier for LM to take the UofM job before the bowl game now that its not the big one. Makes sense.

And that LSU wants to know if he's gone so they can have more of a choice of coaches. If LM waits to tell them, all the coaches (good ones) will be hired already.

Les will be having a press conference on Monday.

As far as Sam McGuffie goes, dont believe everything you read.

ESPN reporting that Les Miles' agent is in Baton Rouge talking with the administration there. Also, that Bill Martin requested permission to talk to Miles, but was asked to wait until after the SEC championship game.
Speculation is that Miles' agent was there to talk about the buyout.

Check this shit out!

http://www.mgoblog.com/

Click on "this post"

Some people say Miles, but there is one interesting link on that website, from something called "Football Scoop"--click on the link in Mgoblog. They say that "their" sources tell them that...BRIAN KELLY will be the next head coach IF "the interview doesn't turn off the woman president". Who knew?

For what it's worth, one of MY sources says this blog is "The Shit". This guy is not a rumor mongerererer, and that he is connected. Don't know if Artermis knows of him or agrees, but MY guy, who is every bit as cynical as me, and who is a Victor's Club member, says MgoBlog Guy is very credible.

Zip you are filling those Green and White shoes well. You are more concerned with UofM than you are the Sparties. J/K Sparties

Hey, I'm just relaying, because I know that Michigan fans are crazy, and they need to know something.
Unlike other lifelong Spartan fans, I'm not a hater.

By the way, if you hit that blog, click on the links to "up to date thread" and "an entire board". You'll step right into "Tiger Droppings", and LSU forum. Register and thank them for Les Miles.

By the way, if you hit that blog, click on the links to "up to date thread" and "an entire board". You'll step right into "Tiger Droppings", and LSU forum. Register and thank them for Les Miles.

lemme guess... they aren't taking that well

I don't know. I just registered and am waiting for "admin" to clear me for posting.

I mean they don't want Miles to go, do they?

I think they are resigned to it. They are thinking that Spurrier and Jack Del Rio are interested. I don't get the feeling that they WANT him to go, but you know fans, once he does, FUCK HIM!
Les Miles is the first coach to lead the Tigers to back to back 10 win seasons. EVER. And now the first to lead them to three consecutive 10 win seasons also.

Miles is in, McGuffie is gone. Kinda sucks, but I've gotta pick a coach and a program over 1 kid. I've also heard there are a few recruits that are considering Michigan that would be "very excited" if Les Miles were named the coach. Overall....I feel it.

Are you positive about McGuffie? Where is that coming from?

If true, too bad for McGuffie. Good luck at Texas A&M, the Never Was of college football if ever there was one!

might be late here, but espn says miles is cleared to talk to UM now.

Hey Moodini if you get that stuff from Rivals, you really need a new source. I wouldnt go to the Texas A&M site either. The Texas A&M guy calls Tom for Sam info, because Sam doesnt talk to them.

If Jackson stays, which is the rumor right now, there is a 75% change McGuffie stays.

I do agree 1 coach is more important than any one recruit. But I dont think that is a done deal.

UM will keep all but maybe 2-3 of their commits, if they lose any, but the odds are long that they wont lose at least a couple.

If les loses Saturday they wont be sad to see him go.

The most important aspect of getting rid of Carr is the S&C program. Miles will seriously upgrade this and we wont ruin kids by making their legs so big they cant run any more and he will make them actually have to do off season workouts, which has been optional under Carr because Carr thinks the rules says you cannot make mandatory the off season weight lifting.

Gittelson cannot be fired since he is a tenured professor, but I he will have a much, MUCH smaller role and UM will finally bring in some free weights and really teach the speed thing ala LSU S&C program which is one of the finer ones.

S&C has lost us numerous games the last few seasons.

I'll admit that I was excited when I saw this on ESPN News last night during the commercial breaks of the Pistons game.

Pat Forde was interviewed (they credited him for breaking the story) and he made it pretty clear that they are locked in on Miles as the #1 candidate, and that the only way that LSU would be able to keep him from leaving is to shower him with praise/love and tons of cash, and even that might not be enough in light of his love for the University of Michigan.

I want Miles. I don't believe 99% of the crap that has been slung at him since the Lloyd news broke, I tend to believe that it's pretty much a smear campaign.

Pat Forde what a joke.

I have known since Monday that Les was going to be the coach. I have to be careful what I post here any more. I am doing some side work for Scout.com and I cannot jeopardize that by posting up to the minute info.

I will say this a recruit that has been mentioned in this thread as of last night is 100% Blue thanks to Michael's younger brother.

Here's Forde's story, for reference.


Michigan takes step to make Miles next Wolverines coach
By Pat Forde
ESPN.com

Updated: November 28, 2007, 11:49 PM ET

LSU athletic director Skip Bertman confirmed Wednesday night through spokesman Herb Vincent that his Michigan counterpart, Bill Martin, has officially requested permission to speak with Les Miles about becoming the next coach of the Wolverines.

Bertman requested that the meeting not take place until after LSU plays Tennessee Saturday for the SEC championship. Martin told Bertman he will comply.

"We're trying to get the SEC championship game behind us that's why we're scheduling these things for next week," Vincent said.

Miles played for Bo Schembechler at Michigan, where he met his wife and later became an assistant under Schembechler.

LSU will have its own meeting with Miles next week to make its pitch to keep Miles. Sources say Miles will be offered a sweetened deal.

LSU was not prepared to make a statement about the extent to which the school was prepared to compete with Michigan's offer, should one be made, Vincent said.

"We're just looking forward to the game Saturday and that's the focus of the entire program right now, Saturday's game against Tennessee," Vincent said.

Although formal discussions will wait for next week, a source close to the situation said Miles' agent, George Bass, was in Baton Rouge Wednesday meeting with LSU officials. The subject of those talks is unknown.

Miles has been at the center of speculation to be the next coach of the Wolverines since Lloyd Carr stepped down Nov. 19. The Michigan alum has carefully chosen his words when asked repeatedly about his interest in returning to his alma mater, but the one thing he has not done is say he is not a candidate.

Even though Miles appears in a great situation leading the Tigers in a talent-rich area without a competing school nearby, LSU was concerned enough about him bolting for Michigan that it put a specific clause in his contract to make it an expensive move.

In the "termination by coach" section of his deal, Michigan is the only other school mentioned. It states that Miles will not seek or accept employment as Michigan's coach. If Miles does leave LSU to coach the Wolverines, he must pay LSU $1.25 million.

LSU's national championship chase ended with an upset loss to Arkansas last Friday. That might have changed the timetable for negotiations with Michigan and freed up both sides to discuss the job sooner.

Martin, who has not commented on the search since Carr's announcement, interviewed Michigan coordinators Ron English and Mike DeBord earlier this week.

"We're not going to make any comments on the search," Michigan spokesman Bruce Madej said Wednesday night.

Forde sucks.

Anyone with premium at Scout would have known early Monday that Les was the last guy standing and there will be an announcement no later than next Wednesday. Tuesday is probably the day.

Loeffler, Campbell and Jackson will be 3 coaches staying on. Have to wait and see about anyone else.

ARt:
Great stuff. I cannot believe when I read about UM's S&C program. Shit, Nebraska had Boyd Epley for years, and he has pioneered stuff UM should be doing for twenty fucking years.

I can't say that I'm high on Loeffler, though. Henne didn't seem to improve a great deal in his four years here. In fact, from what I saw out of him as a freshman, I was convinced he'd win a Heisman Trophy someday. What is on Loeffler's resume that is so impressive? His great work with John Navarre?

If you can make the argument that whatever has happened over the last decade is the direct result of Lloyd Carr's Dark Cloud, and UM somehow letting their facilities turn to rust and dust, then I can buy it. Otherwise, I'm all in favor of sweeping out the whole damn thing (except for English. I still have alot of faith in him).

Fred Jackson. He is the best interview and is great recruiter. Soup Campbell is a great WR coach.

Scott has had some personal problems and really took 2 years off. Also a lot of Henne's problems are his own that he wouldnt listen to the coaches about how to fix. He was stubborn his sophomore and junior years. If he would have listened more, he would have progressed more. Scott is still living on Tom Brady calling him a good coach or having nice words. Miles wanted Scott to be his OC in LSU last year.

A couple of concerns seem to be emerging with regard to Les Miles' tenure at LSU. First, that he is winning with Nick Saban's talent, and second, that he may be underachieving with insane crazy talent. A

Again, let me give you this link: http://www.mgoblog.com/. Click on the hypetext link that is just above the talnet star graph. It is marked "takes on". And it will take you to another blog that is led off with a great write up about talent and choaching.

Yeah I already read. I read Brian every day. He gives me my daily rose colored glasses check, since he can be harsh on UM.

He steals most of his stuff from Rivals and Scout premium sites. But I dont really care. I love his UFRs and his take on stuff.

One point about that though, you can say they are Saban's recruit, but Miles and his coaches are the ones who made them the players they are. You can have a team full of 5* and still get beat if your coaches dont develop you properly. Miles and his staff have done a wonderful job of that.

It is not hard to recruit at Michigan. He will have a top 15 class every year with a little effort. It is what you do once they get to your school that we have severely lacked over the last 8 years or so.

1) at this point, hes using a ton of his own recruits as well as saban's.

2)a) nc florida has 3 losses. lsu has two trip ot losses. really hard to call it underachieving. i honestly believe the sec is just that good. if they come out with 2 losses, really is a pretty good year. people have unrealistic expectations if they think perfection is the minimum.

b) its been the defense, which i believe les has less control of, that has hurt lsu, especially since the dt went down.

my concerns with les, not that im the expert, revolve around off the field stuff, not his ability to recruit and manage a game.

Les loved Bo. He is coming home. I think he takes the integrity of the Michigan program very seriously. I dont think he does stupid stuff off the field.

I just want a little fire to be put back into the program.

SEC is overrated, better than the Big Ten, but overrated.

When Les wins this Saturday or in the Bowl game that will be 3 straight 11 win seasons.

When was the last time a coach outside of Pete Carroll did that and how often do you think it really gets done?

Les is going to find coordinators who are going to be wanted by other programs eventually. UM hasnt had that where they lose coordinators because they are good in a long, long time.

At least get hired up not down when they go someplace else. Debord is the exception and he left because it was his chance to shine and really be the replacement for when Carr retired and he blew it just like Lloyd blew it by having such a horrible year.

Yeah I already read. I read Brian every day. He gives me my daily rose colored glasses check, since he can be harsh on UM.

He steals most of his stuff from Rivals and Scout premium sites. But I dont really care. I love his UFRs and his take on stuff.

One point about that though, you can say they are Saban's recruit, but Miles and his coaches are the ones who made them the players they are. You can have a team full of 5* and still get beat if your coaches dont develop you properly. Miles and his staff have done a wonderful job of that.

It is not hard to recruit at Michigan. He will have a top 15 class every year with a little effort. It is what you do once they get to your school that we have severely lacked over the last 8 years or so.

Art, those were all the points made in the link to Blue. that LSU starters had a much lower Rivals Star rating, yet they were winning. Now, defensively, that has to do with Pellini, and I saw that first hand during his year here as DC. And it's game time, on filed coaching that Pellini excels at: His guys are usually in position to make plays, they play disciplined defense, and they are good tacklers.
But again, Miles has done a very very good job at LSU. LSU rebounded under Saban, but LSU is not the great place SEC Boners want us to believe. They had some lean years without bowl games and sub 500 seasons before Saban got there.
As for "Fire"--THAT is why I want Miles. I have said it over and over again: PASSION and COACHING and ROOTS will, I feel, make this a deadly combination, and Miles will be very successful.

Hey Art, are you hearing anything about Lefty staying on as LM's offensive coordinator? That seems to be the rumor going around right now and it seems like it is picking up legs a little bit.

Also, does us keeping Fred Jackson have more to do with McGuffie or his son?

Here's a little taste of some LSU sugar...No, it's not a babe, it's the Tiger Droppings message board! Register, and tell them thanks for Les Miles!

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=6239306&Pg=1

Neither. Fred Jackson is a lifer at Michigan. The whole Jackson to Duke was just his agent.

Fred said in an interview I got laying around that if he was not coaching at UM next year he would head to the pro game. He didnt want to go do any other college.

There was something bad that went on at the official visit to LSU, something like Miles didnt think SM could be an every down back that sort of thing, didnt get an offer.

I think unless Fred Jackson were to totally get screwed over, his son would be a Wolverine if they want him.

Fred Jackson covers LA/TX that area. With Miles and Jackson going down south covering that area plus Florida now, we should be in good shape. We lose California because RE was the guy out there.

There are some guys from Florida like Marvin Robinson that love UM and Miles will get them out of Florida.

All I know about Lefty being OC is that Miles offered him the job at LSU.

I suspect Curt Mallory to be DC, Doug Mallory to be DB coach, Jackson (RB? Associate HC?) Campbell WR and Lefty for sure at least QB coach.

I will go there and talk to them.

Curt Mallory? Who is that? What the fucks wrong with English?

He is the DC for Illinois.

Miles doesnt know him. I doubt he keeps him.

Is he any good?

Coach Mallory's team was able do to something Coach English's team failed to do.....beat OSU.

Illinois was an attacking defense with him as DC.

Is Coach Mallory the one who recruited D.C. so well or is that one of their other coaches?

Would anybody else be intrigued by a UM/LSU bowl game?

No because Michigan will get obliterated.

What if Miles was coaching UM?

Will Lloyd be coaching LSU?

No, Gary Moeller would be.

Pre or post open bar?

Would anybody else be intrigued by a UM/LSU bowl game?

The alternative might be a matchup with Texas in the Alamo Bowl.

Carr is coaching in the bowl.

I see UM playing in the Champs Bowl unless Illinois gets a BCS slot then we move up to the Outback, Texas Tech (that would be horrible, they would score 60 on us).

If Les is not coaching LSU for their Bowl he wont coach a Bowl at all and will get the recruiting caught up and get his staff in place.

^Uh, Wisconsin already accepted the Outback bid. And aren't we technically the #2 Big Ten team (since we beat Illinois)?

I meant the Capital One Bowl not the Outback.

Bowls generally pick who they want now. Such as the #4/5 Big Ten team. UM doesnt travel well so....they would get the Alamo either way, but UM was there 2 years ago.

But would Illinois travel better? I understand taking Wisc or OSU over U of M, but what about Illinois?

The Capital One bowl is what Glenn mentioned (vs LSU likely).

John Tenuta DC from Georgia Tech is being rumored as the next DC for UM. Kirk Herbstreit broke the story.

Oh man if this is true....my dream DC is coming to UM.

Get back online and tell me about Tenuta Art. I haven't seen much Georgia Tech. I know the name, but little about him.

Per ESPN


A source has told ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit that barring any unforeseen circumstances, Michigan will announce early next week it has reached an agreement with LSU coach Les Miles to be its next head football coach.



Herbstreit is also reporting that Miles will make Georgia Tech defensive coordinator and interim head coach Jon Tenuta part of his staff at Michigan.



Miles, who played at Michigan and served two stints as an assistant under the late Bo Schembechler, will succeed Lloyd Carr, who stepped down after the Wolverines' loss to Ohio State last month.



Miles has been head coach at LSU since 2005. LSU is 32-6 with Miles at the helm, including 22 wins in his first 26 games as coach, and won 11 games in 2005 and 2006. The No. 7 Tigers (10-2), whose two losses this season both came in triple overtime, will play Tennessee in the SEC Championship Game on Saturday.



Miles also coached at Oklahoma State, posting a 28-21 record between 2001 and 2004, and was tight ends coach for the Dallas Cowboys between 1998 and 2000.



Miles has a 60-27 overall record in seven seasons as a head coach.



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3136391

He takes MSU talent and molds them into top 25 defenses.

GT is to GA what MSU is to UM in terms of football.

He has been top 25 in total defense for like the last 3-5 years I believe. He is super aggressive, lots of blitzes.

He is from Columbus, OH. Was DB coach in the last 90s and 1 year as DC for OSU. He is very good friends with Les Miles.

If in fact they hire Tenuta it means that Bill Martin is serious. Because Tenuta was making 600K at GT and that is about what 3/4 of what was paid to all of the UM staff last year.

I've heard that ESPN totally jumped the gun and Miles is staying at LSU. My sources are saying that this whole thing is going to blow up in Michigan's face and something very shitty will come out from this whole thing. Basically it sounds like Kirk Herbstreit totally fucked over Michigan by making this announcement when it is not a done deal at all.

What? So people are pissed off because the story broke? That's fucktarded.

There is a rumor gaining steam that Miles has signed an extension with LSU.

It is being run at AnnArborNews by Carty and also Rivals.

I havent heard anything concrete. Only the LSU scout site said he fully expected Miles to be gone from his contacts.

Wait and see.

Ugh, I just want to know now. I don't like waiting.

1:45 there is a presser at LSU.

We will find out then. I will say I dont have a good feeling about this.

They say you don't have a press conference to announce you're staying...BUT, you don;t have a presser BEFORE a game either!

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

I will say 90% sure he is staying.

LSU forced his hand by saying either you sign the contract or you cant coach today.

Also the latest person reporting it is Angelique S. Chengelis and she has good sources inside the fort.

Shit. This sucks. I expect to see the Sparty's out in full force once this becomes official-official.

Art, does this leave us with KF or BK? Or do we do something EXTREMELY STUPID and give it to English or DeBoard??

Well, UM missed on Ferentz and it looks like Miles is staying at LSU. So, who now? I highly doubt UM would turn its football program over to a hick like Kelly. Schiano? Tedford? Rodriguez? Tenuta?

UM is going to have some problems in the future. Bo was able to keep everyone in line and singing the same tune. Now, that Bo is gone, there are factions vying for control and it could get ugly. This coaching search is a great example. Lloyd and the michigan-mafia wanted Ferentz and Ferentz said, 'no, thanks'. The majority wanted Miles. However, the michigan-mafia still made it very clear they did not want Miles. The UM camp is fractured and they don`t have anyone to keep a handle on things.

From what I gather...Mary Sue Coleman decided against this. She didnt like Miles character flaws.

I have no clue...not Ferentz though.

Now they really will have to do a national search. Stupid fucking cunt who doesnt know shit about sports. She is still pissed that we fired Tommy Amaker, because Mary Sue and TA's wife were close friends.

Debord will not get the job. English would probably get it over him.

why the fuck do you start a new thread every time a thought wanders into your head.

why the fuck do you start a new thread every time a thought wanders into your head.

:cogent:

Michigan "missed" on Ferentz. AS IF. That went no where, and wasn't anything more than a cursory thought.

Lloyd and the michigan-mafia were able to foil the Les Miles hiring and now they will get their way and promote from within. Mike Debord, head coach, UM football. You guys are going to love it.

I think UM is in trouble athletically speaking with here at the helm. I have friends up there who insist she's trying to get some things done with the athletic program (besides de emphasising athletics) that are going to be very different and restrictive compared to the way it has been there and is at most other major universities.

You already lost your credibility.............go away gnat.

You already lost your credibility.............go away gnat.
How did I lose my credibility?

By the way, is FillyCheezeSteak a shout out, as it were, to your fellow employees at Big John`s Steak and Onion?

Michigan "missed" on Ferentz. AS IF. That went no where, and wasn't anything more than a cursory thought.
Mary Sue, Lloyd and the michigan-mafia wanted Ferentz. Ferentz turned UM down, just like Miles did. Boy, it is seeming more and more that UM isn`t such a "dream job" after all.

Who would you prefer, zippy, DeBord or English?

Here is a post from a guy who was around when MSC was hiring KF.

From the beginning it's been no secret that Miles was Martin's and those outside the Fort's guy. Meanwhile, those inside the Fort didn't want him coming, including the man who ran the Fort for the last 13 years.

It could very well be that Martin had an okay to interview Miles and negotiate an offer, but still had to get the approval of Mary Sue before extending a final offer or agreeing upon one. Then LSU gave him an ultimatum, and Miles didn't want to gamble that Mary Sue and an outspoken former Regent would get cold feet and leave him out in the cold. So he took the sure offer.

That's exactly what I think happened here. Why? Because it matches the facts on the ground, and it's exactly what happened the last time Mary Sue went to hire a football coach with a lot of buzz from the SEC who had a lot of folks lobbying for him to return to the old alma mater.

I was there and covered that when it was happening. This is almost exactly what went down, except for Herbstreit breaking a story prematurely.

preliminary list is:

Schiano, Grobe, Tedford, O'Brien and Pinkel.

This is pure speculation.

my hatred for mary sue coleman burns with the fury of a thousand suns.

As of now, I'm no longer involved in speculating. I have a feeling that everyone is misreading Bill Martin (except for one guy I know on another board). I think Martin IS in control of this, and has allies within the divided UM camp. He wants culture change, regime change, and a guy who will be worthy of his new stadium when it is done.
I'm thinking more and more that there is something else going on, that they DO have their guy, and they have one of those "search companies" doing the work for them.
I think Miles was staying all along, and that when it blew up just because it became known that he and UM were going to talk, he decided not to even grant UM an interview. Pretty classy way to handle it, if you ask me. Squash the rumors NOW, BEFORE the Big Game, so his team wouldn't be distracted.
I think the search moves into what a buddy of mine now calls "the fourth or fifth inning", and the REAL search begins. It will probably lead to Brian Kelly or someone like that. No Debord (so you can lose that boner, buk), and no English.
I think I'm more dissapointed that John Tenuda may not be coming, from what two different friends have told me about him.

How did I lose my credibility?

By the way, is FillyCheezeSteak a shout out, as it were, to your fellow employees at Big John`s Steak and Onion?

because in the spanof 10 minutes you claimed in 2 different threads that les turned us down and that lloyd/mary sue blocked his hiring.

i think you also criticized michigan once for graduating too many players and too few.

all you do is throw endless shit at the wall and hope it sticks.

its pathetic. your pathetic.

Sorry, buk. The more this progresses, the more wrong I feel you are.
This is Bill Martin's call, and he is winning the war with this so called "mafia". In my opinion, both the Ferentz thing and the Miles thing have been floated so Martin could bring in who he really wants.
No Shciano
No Grobe
No Pinkel
No Obrien

This will be someone like Brian Kelly.

dude from the freep has been campaigning for tedford. hes made a pretty good case.

Sorry, buk. The more this progresses, the more wrong I feel you are.
This is Bill Martin's call, and he is winning the war with this so called "mafia". In my opinion, both the Ferentz thing and the Miles thing have been floated so Martin could bring in who he really wants.
No Shciano
No Grobe
No Pinkel
No Obrien

This will be someone like Brian Kelly.
Zippy, you know as well as I do, that UM will NEVER hire Brian Kelly. All kidding aside, I think UM should hire Tenuta. Although he is probably going to be LSU`s DC.

One thing is for certain, the next coach, players and recruits will know UM`s new head man was not their first, or even second choice.

because in the spanof 10 minutes you claimed in 2 different threads that les turned us down and that lloyd/mary sue blocked his hiring.

i think you also criticized michigan once for graduating too many players and too few.

all you do is throw endless shit at the wall and hope it sticks.

its pathetic. your pathetic.
If I threw you at the wall, I bet you would stick.

As of now, I'm no longer involved in speculating. I have a feeling that everyone is misreading Bill Martin (except for one guy I know on another board). I think Martin IS in control of this, and has allies within the divided UM camp. He wants culture change, regime change, and a guy who will be worthy of his new stadium when it is done.
I'm thinking more and more that there is something else going on, that they DO have their guy, and they have one of those "search companies" doing the work for them.
I think Miles was staying all along, and that when it blew up just because it became known that he and UM were going to talk, he decided not to even grant UM an interview. Pretty classy way to handle it, if you ask me. Squash the rumors NOW, BEFORE the Big Game, so his team wouldn't be distracted.
I think the search moves into what a buddy of mine now calls "the fourth or fifth inning", and the REAL search begins. It will probably lead to Brian Kelly or someone like that. No Debord (so you can lose that boner, buk), and no English.
I think I'm more dissapointed that John Tenuda may not be coming, from what two different friends have told me about him.
Zippy, you make the true-believing rush limbaugh, pat robertson, george w. bush followers look like amateurs.

And you make me look like Aristotle.

Apparently, the presser was a non event. It amounted to "No Comment". The LSU board Tiger Droppings is buzzing over the meaning, or non meaning, of what, or what he did not, say.

Per ESPN:

ATLANTA -- Les Miles will remain LSU's football coach rather than bolt to Michigan.


LSU athletic director Skip Bertman said Miles told the team he would stay at the school just hours before the Tigers (No. 7 BCS, No. 5 AP) play No. 14 Tennessee in the Southeastern Conference championship game Saturday.

"Coach Miles and the chancellor have already worked out a contract that they're happy with, but it hasn't been signed yet," Bertman said.

In an offseason that has seen several big moves, Miles did not want to jump on the coaching carousel.

All week, speculation swirled that Miles would leave LSU and return to Michigan, where he played and coached. The Wolverines' job became vacant when Lloyd Carr announced his retirement.

Miles was questioned about Michigan during his news conference Friday at the Georgia Dome. He had said he planned to talk to Wolverines officials after the SEC title game.

Instead, Miles tried to return LSU's focus to the team, which has an outside chance to reach the BCS national championship game.

Many expected Miles to return to Michigan, where he played and coached for the late-great Bo Schembechler and met his wife, long before Carr announced this year's bowl game would end his 13-year career as head coach.

LSU saw the possibility coming, too.

The school put a specific clause in his contract on July 1, 2006, that made it expensive for Miles to go back to Ann Arbor.

In the "termination by coach" section of his deal, Michigan is the only school mentioned. It stated that Miles will not seek or accept employment as Michigan's coach and that he would pay LSU $1.25 million if he left to lead the Wolverines.

Saturday morning, ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit reported that Miles had accepted the job at Michigan. Herbstreit also reported that Georgia Tech defensive coordinator and interim head coach Jon Tenuta would go with him.

LSU associate athletic director Herb Vincent said Saturday morning that ESPN reports that Miles had accepted the head coaching position at Michigan were "inaccurate."

LSU hired Miles away from Oklahoma State after Nick Saban departed in 2005 to coach the Miami Dolphins.

Miles was in a position to land the coveted job after turning around Oklahoma State's program, earning three straight bowl bids after the school went 12 years without a postseason appearance. He was 28-21 in four years with the Cowboys and was the Big 12 Coach of the Year in 2002. He also coached the tight ends for the Dallas Cowboys between 1998 and 2000.




Saban set a new standard for the Tigers when he led them to a national championship, putting Miles under instant pressure to win big.

Fortunately for Miles, Saban also left behind a roster loaded with talent, including four players that were taken in the first round of the 2007 NFL draft.

Miles went 11-2 during each of his first two seasons, finishing his first campaign with a lopsided Peach Bowl victory over Miami and his second with a blowout against Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl.

LSU was 10-2 this season going into the SEC championship game.


Miles has been head coach at LSU since 2005. LSU is 32-6 with Miles at the helm, including 22 wins in his first 26 games as coach, and won 11 games in 2005 and 2006. The Tigers' two losses this season both came in triple overtime.



Miles has a 60-27 overall record in seven seasons as a head coach.

its pathetic. your pathetic.

Mike Debord, head coach, UM football. You guys are going to love it.

ljtuGoIIKGs

And you make me look like Aristotle.
Damn, I was going to say Socrates. You win this time, "Zippy"

No way! Socrates is my favorite! Shit, why didn't I think of him when I needed to?

*pwned

Ok just got back and this is what I am hearing.

Notice no deal has been signed. This is posturing by LSU to get the players focused on the game. Miles is furious with ESPN for dropping this, this morning and they had to get the players to come out and play.

A mod at scout was told last night that les told him he was coming to A2.

He is still scheduled to meet with UM tomorrow.

BTW the contract extension is only for like 2.8 million. Carr with his deferment makes 2.1 million a year (1.5 mil base and 600k defer). I doubt that money is any way a sticking point in this whole thing.

Just take a deep breath and lets see what happens tomorrow.

until miles signs the contract (right now it doesnt sound like he has) im not giving up.

miles wont get another chance at UM. its now or never.

beat me by a second. guess thats how the scoop business is, though. rats.

I still think he's coming.

Art: Thanks for all you do. Great stuff. Keep it up.

I doubt he is coming.

Read Terry Foster's new blog.

LSU is offering 4 mil a year. Michigan was offering 2.4 (they would have gone higher).

The big problem is that Miles didnt want to fight with Carr and felt while he should keep some of his assistants, he felt like it was a losing battle.

We should need to move on.

Apparently he had a pregame interview and said he'll be the coach at LSU next year.
I agree. What I once saw as destiny, is destined not to happen.

The thing that makes me wonder, is who WILL come to Ann Arbor with Lloyd Carr dictating anything to him?

AND, if LSU is offering mad Nick Saban money, then so long, Les!

The thing with Les was personal for Carr.

I just dont think Carr WANTED Miles.



p.s. Martin is on his way down to Atlanta right now. He is still scheduled to meet with Les Miles.

BTW I cant remember I said 4 mil. I think Martin would have to get up to 3 to 3.5 in order to have a chance.

The thing with Les was personal for Carr.

I just dont think Carr WANTED Miles.



p.s. Martin is on his way down to Atlanta right now. He is still scheduled to meet with Les Miles.

BTW I cant remember I said 4 mil. I think Martin would have to get up to 3 to 3.5 in order to have a chance.
I am not a UM insider that lives in Kentucky, but I can tell you this, EVERYONE knew Lloyd didn`t want Miles. As I said earlier, this was a power struggle and Lloyd and the michigan-mafia won. Do not be surprised if DeBord or English become the next UM coach.

(and Zip, I guess)... for staying on top of the coaching thing. I'd post if I had anything to offer, but I have been reading this board to keep caught up.


Thats a joke Zip. Props to you to for pressing the UofM coaching issue on the board.

Why did you start a topic to say this? You aren't bukdow. You don't have the stroke he has, buddy.

not happy

PWZORZ!!!!!1111oneoneone

lolpantsthen

Debord or English.

Bukdow, if one of those two get it, the entire country will riot. Yes, the entire country cares about Michigan football.
You are a stupid cocksucker who has filled this message board with enough bullshit, Joel. It is tiem you leave. It is one thing to say tha Miles isn't coming, but to insinuate that two losers like Debord and Eglish might be named head coach is too ridiculous for anyone to believe.
Please keep your bullshit coming, joel, no one believes it, but it IS funny.

I suppose I prefer Brain Kelly at this point, unless they can steal a top flight guy from some place else.

Top 2 candidates being floated around Schiano from Rutgers and Grobe from Wake Forest.

Schiano would be good hire.

Wake Forest to UM is a pretty big leap (as is Rutgers, I suppose).

I guess I'll have to checkout his background.

I'd be concerned about Schiano eyeing that Penn St gig when JoePa dies, but I'm sure that Martin could protect himself from that with a creative contract clause or two.

If West Virginny could have sealed the deal yesterday, maybe we could have hired Rodriguez to complete the WVA double play.

Grobe's resume for those as uninformed as I:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=461

I'd rather gamble on a up and coming young coach (Kelly) than this guy from what I see here, but does Michigan agree? Prolly not.

Kelly is not a candidate. He has skeletons in his closest that have ruled him out.

BTW MSU passed on him last year.

Grobe is a Carr clone. I want nothing to do with him. I would rather have some 35 year OC/DC come in and do things. Like a Major Applewhite or a Lane Kiffin.

Schiano is a coach that I like.

Man, Miles shuns UM and all the sudden it's picking from a pool of shit. Kelly has skeletons, eh? How about Michigan's shitty record against Ohio State and in bowl games over the last six years?

It will not be Schiano. Nor will it be Kelly, the guy is a bigger dumbass hick than zippy. Grobe is an acceptable candidate. However, as I have said, it could be DeBord.

i bet even your kid doesnt like you.

im still holding out hope that miles takes michigan. the next coach is going to be here 10 years, so for miles this is it. he hasnt signed, and as far as i know we're still meeting with him.

even if the insiders are saying forget miles, things can definitly change in a few days, or a few minutes, apparently.

I sitll didn't hear a confirmed statement...or was it? I saw him say this and that, but it still sounded like wiggle room to me.

LSU and Miles wants his players focused on the game. If they are still allowing LM to negotiate, they did a pretty good job of squashing rumors yesterday for the players.

no offense to artermis, cuz i really appreciate him giving us the info, but this is definitly the bad side of sports journalism.

its such a rate race because everyone wants to be the guy to scoop the story, it leads to a ton of irrisponsibility.

its the same thing with the sports editorials, no one wants to read "oh, this isnt really a big deal", or whatever, so everyone who rights a sports opinion piece has to blow their subject way out of proportion just to appeare relevent (see: every article on the patriots this year). its due to the internet, imo. the sports biz has become supersaturated with wanabees.

It's looking more and more like LSU will be playing in the NC game. That would make Miles to Michigan even more unlikely than it is now.

I think that at this point, you start to wonder about the recruiting class. Here in Nebraska, Tom Osborne named himself "Interim Coach" so he could talk to recruits. I wonder if Carr can still legally talk to recruits.
Michael Rosenberg writes in today's Freep that Miles and UM did come pretty close, and that Miles was Martin's guy all along. It was Martin fighting the system at UM, and apparently Mary Sue Coleman wanted Miles also (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071202/COL22/712020683/1054/).

I am not one who generally believes that you have to name someone right away. The process should play out. diddy makes a great comment about the media: everyone wants to break "The Story", and it turns into a circus. I mean, it's fun for us fans to do this, but perhaps the media needs to be a little more responsible. Howver, that horse is out of the barn and ain't coming back.

English is on the shortlist for the Arkansas job and is getting a second interview for the UM job. Looks like he may be pulling ahead of DeBord.

Which tells me that Martin wanted Miles and Miles only, and may have in fact lost in not only LSU outbidding him, but also lost in a power struggle with the sludge and slime of leftover Bo_mo_Llo Faction.

Which tells me that Martin wanted Miles and Miles only, and may have in fact lost in not only LSU outbidding him, but also lost in a power struggle with the sludge and slime of leftover Bo_mo_Llo Faction.
If Lloyd and the blue goons insist on getting their way, I think English would be the better of the two.

So Karl Dorrell is about to be available...jk

Any chance that there is an NFL candidate or two?

We've discussed the Cam Cameron thing ad naseum, but what about Norm Chow?

No HC experience probably kills his chances.

Can Tom Brady coach?

REPORT: Michigan contacts Ball State coach Hoke about coaching job

December 3, 2007
By DOUG ZALESKI
GANNETT NEWSPAPERS

MUNCIE -- At least two schools from BCS conferences -- including Michigan -- have shown preliminary interest in Ball State football coach Brady Hoke about their head coaching jobs.

Hoke confirmed to The (Muncie, Ind.) Star Press during the weekend that his name has been advanced about coaching vacancies at the University of Michigan and Washington State University.

"It's that time of year," Hoke said about speculation on openings.

Eleven schools currently have head coach openings.

Lloyd Carr, who retired last month after 13 seasons as Michigan's coach, recommended Hoke as a candidate to be his successor.

Michigan athletic director Bill Martin contacted Hoke early last week to discuss the job with him.

Bill Doba, who resigned last month after five seasons as coach at Washington State, recommended Hoke for the Cougars' position. Doba, like Hoke, is a Ball State graduate.

Hoke said he has not yet received formal contact from Washington State's athletic administration about the opening.

Hoke led a rejuvenation of the Ball State program this season. He coached the Cardinals to a share of the Mid-American Conference West Division championship, and helped them earn their first bowl bid in 11 years with a 7-5 overall record that was the school's best since 1996.

Ball State on Saturday was selected to play Rutgers on Jan. 5 in the International Bowl in Toronto.

"I think Brady has done a nice job here," Ball State athletic director Tom Collins said. "He's an outstanding recruiter, he's a very good teacher, and he gets along well with his student-athletes. He has all the ingredients to be a head coach."

Hoke earned a salary of $156,000 this season. He is under contract with the Cardinals through the 2009 season.

The success of the team this year might warrant another contract extension for Hoke.

"After the season is over and the bowl game is finished, we'll sit down and talk about things that need to be addressed," Collins said. "We want to do the things to make sure the program is going forward, and Brady is a big part of that."

Hoke has a 22-36 overall record in his five seasons at Ball State. His teams are 14-9 against MAC schools the past three years.

Hoke was an assistant under Carr for eight years before coming to Ball State in the 2003 season. Carr's 121-40 record with the Wolverines ranked seventh among active coaches.

LSU coach Les Miles was rumored to be Michigan's choice to succeed Carr, but Miles on Saturday said he was staying with the Tigers.

Greg Schiano, who will coach Rutgers against Ball State in the International Bowl, also has been mentioned as a Michigan candidate.

Washington State had a 30-29 record during Doba's tenure, but it failed to play in a bowl game the past four seasons. His departure from the school was described as mutual.

The Spokane Spokesman-Review newspaper has reported that former Louisville and Michigan State coach John L. Smith, former Washington State and current Texas-El Paso coach Mike Price, Eastern Washington coach Paul Wulff, California defensive coordinator Bob Gregory, Missouri offensive coordinator Dave Christensen, Dallas Cowboys receivers coach Ray Sherman and Hoke are the main candidates at Washington State.

Hoke's only connection to the Pacific Northwest was a six-year stint as an assistant coach at Oregon State (1989-94).

For those of you still clinging to the Miles pipe dream...


U-M's coaching search continues

by John Heuser | The Ann Arbor News
Monday December 03, 2007, 7:09 AM

There will be no Les Miles at the University of Michigan, according to Miles on Saturday and Michigan athletic director Bill Martin on Sunday.

Martin issued a statement Sunday night, in which he acknowledged he'll continue his quest for a new football coach with an undisclosed list of candidates that no longer includes the former Michigan player and assistant Miles, who will remain at Louisiana State.

Of course it seemed, for a brief time at least, that Miles was close to becoming the next Michigan coach.

ESPN reported Saturday morning that Michigan was expected to introduce Miles as its coach this week. Then barely two hours before his LSU team would take the field to play Tennessee in the Southeastern Conference title game, Miles vigorously disputed that report, and said he was staying in Baton Rouge.

Here's what Martin had to say on the matter, via his statement:

"This past weekend, the media frenzy before and after the SEC Championship game concerning the head-coaching fate of Les Miles did indeed take on a life of its own.

I want to set the record straight as it concerns Michigan's process in its head-coaching search.

We asked LSU for permission to talk to Les Miles last week and we were given permission to talk to Les but not until after the SEC Championship game on Saturday.

Les Miles was one of our candidates.

I did not talk to Les Miles or his agent this past week in accordance with the wishes of Skip Bertman and the LSU Athletic Department.

This morning I did speak with Les' agent (George Bass) and he reaffirmed what Les said during his press conference yesterday - that he was staying at LSU. We wish Les and the LSU Athletic Department the best of luck in the future.

As for Michigan, we are continuing with the process we established and will continue to talk with and research our list of candidates.''

English is on the shortlist for the Arkansas job and is getting a second interview for the UM job. Looks like he may be pulling ahead of DeBord.

Are you passing this off as your own information or just relaying it from the 3 credible websites that already had it posted before you?

It would be news to RE if he was having a 2nd interview.

BTW the 1st interview was a sort of you are not getting the job.

OFFER to big time coach is supposedly out there. Has 24 hours to take it or leave it.

No SEC guy is in the mix.

You guys can guess a while about who it is.

Bill Martin was sailing early Saturday when all this Les Miles stuff went down.

Wouldnt have changed anything. Nothing was going to get done without BM sitting down and talking to LM face to face.

Anyone thinks Michigan is cheap is delusional. I wouldnt pay LM 3.5 mil dollars. UM went up to 2.8, which is 1 mil more than he is making now.

3.5 mil is a lot more than Tressel and Carrol make. Is Miles a million dollars a year better coach then them. That is the same money as Stoops makes. 2.8 mil puts him top 6 nationally.

Need at least a little hint, Art.

Appreciate the info, in a ny case

You know who this team needs: Butch Davis.

Love him or hate him, he built a dynasty in Miami. He could do it here as well. Don't tell me he wouldn't want to leave UNC for Michigan.

I said it was not any SEC coach.

Ok, he will be playing after New Year's Day and is from the mainland.

Tulsa's coach!

I said it was not any SEC coach.

Ok, he will be playing after New Year's Day and is from the mainland.

Rutger's coach.

Well that leaves this list IMO:

Mark Mangino
Greg Schiano
Rich Rodriguez

No has guessed so far.

BTW Schiano is the one they are going to go hard after next more than likely.

Stoops

Thank God it's not Rodriguez.

Might as well just tell us Art.

Well, I doubt it's from any of the scrub schools (Ball State, Bowling Green or Tulsa) that meet your criteria. We already ruled out Miles. Obviously Tressel is out. I doubt it's Beemer. Are you saying Stoops would leave OU?

I have to put a hold on this for a bit.

I have to be careful about somethings.

I cant cost myself any money.

Welcome jturbo

They're going after my cousin "Sloopy" Goshboots, who is the captain of a bowling league that has its championship on New Years day.

Some good points in here:


With Miles out, U-M should turn to Kelly

Posted by Bill Simonson | The Huge Show (http://blog.mlive.com/hugeblog/about.html) December 03, 2007 09:03AM

If Michigan was smart, it would hire Brian Kelly from Cincinnati. I keep hearing this garbage about Kelly not being big enough or rubbing the people the wrong way. This must be from people who have never met Kelly or truly looked at what he has done as a head coach at three different schools.
He has done nothing but win, and that wasn't good enough for Michigan State last year. He's likely not a name big enough for Michigan this year.
Was Jim Tressell a big name when he came to Ohio State from Youngstown State?
The Michigan athletic department and fans had better wake up and understand they are not going to get every big name coach to interview for the job. Miles saying no says enough. Greg Schiano at Rutgers? Kelly won that bowl last year. Jeff Tedford at California? He's so good his Golden Bears are barely bowl eligible in Fort Worth?
The Wake Forest guy? Are you kidding me? Tell me his name right now. (Jim Grobe).
Kelly is a big enough name in this state, and with the Michigan logo on his jacket could recruit some of the best talent in America to come to Ann Arbor.
Every time a big name coach says "no" to Michigan, the hole gets deeper. Look at South Bend and the negatives that have been a part of every coaching search since Lou Holtz left Notre Dame.
The school can't afford to look like no one wants the Michigan football job.
Kelly's aggressive style of offense and defense would make Michigan a Florida-like program every year, and be national championship contenders on a regular basis.
Some will argue that Kelly would never stay at Michigan and wants a bigger job. That he never stays in one place too long. Forget that when you look at 13 years at Grand Valley and three years at Central Michigan.
Urban Meyer won a national title at Florida last year and only spent two years at Bowling Green and two years at Utah before jumping to the Gators.
Someone from Michigan please explain to me how Kelly is not good enough to be the next head football coach in Ann Arbor.
It doesn't matter how big the football school is when you know how to win. Tressell brought that to the Ohio State locker room and owns Michigan today because of it.
Grand Valley and Central continue to be champions with the legacy Kelly left behind.
Recruiting?
Kelly has coached longer in the Midwest than Miles ever did.
Keep thinking about Tressell and the Buckeyes and tell me Kelly couldn't do the same at Michigan.
With Miles saying "no," Kelly is the right guy to follow Lloyd.

Posted by Bill Simonson | The Huge Show

Stopped reading

Herm (hearts) Kelly

Herm (kicks in the junk) Huge

Herm torn.

Stopped reading

I didn't say he's right let's hire Kelly. But he does make good points about other people who have made the jump successfully.

The point is to not overlook him simply based on the smaller programs. He may not be the guy, but you won't know without fair judgement.

I think he took the Cincy job for that reason. He wanted to prove he can win in a BCS conference.