I wasn't saying that Kelly shouldn't be a candidate, I was taking issue with the buffoon that wrote the piece you posted. You'd know why if you ever heard his radio show.

As far as Kelly, he'd be my favorite choice remaining (mystery candidate notwithstanding) but Art says he's heard that Kelly's "skeletons" will keep him from further consideration, which, if true (if he indeed has skeletons), would likely mean a jump to the NFL is eventually in the cards for Kelly.

I could see an offensive coordinator job for him some day in the NFL. He's probably better than Martz is (at least he runs the ball some).

If Michigan was able to uncover these skeletons, than moving up another notch after Cincy is going to be difficult for him.

The NFL doesn't care about that shit, obviously.

Dont know what Kelly Skeletons are, but MSU passed on him last year.

He is not a candidate at this time....way down the list.

That 2nd interview for RE is for Arkansas not UM.

Dont count on the surprise candidate. It is out from left field. I think it is more to show those who got money that they are making the right offers.

UM could probably still get LM if they wanted him, but that door has been closed supposedly.

Someone did guess the name, but that would be after they make a run after Schiano, who supposedly has not been contacted.

I think Martin has totally fucked up, not so much with Miles, but with the whole process.

Do you think if Lloyd had retired 3 years ago when Meyers became available, UM wouldnt have made a serious run at him?

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=313865


Coaching Carousel: An NFLer to Michigan?

Posted: December 3, 2007

I have heard from sources that a few NFL head coaches could end up getting involved at Michigan. There also is a good chance Wake Forest's Jim Grobe may be a player.

I was told by a source close to Rutgers coach Greg Schiano that he isn't a candidate, despite talk of him supposedly being dismayed about funding delays in the Rutgers stadium expansion.

Cam Cameron?

John Gruden?

Jack Del Rio?

Tom Coughlin?

John Fox?

Bobby Petrino?

Mike Nolan?

I would think maybe Bobby Petrino and Cam Cameron....purely speculation, havent heard anything about the NFL.

I'd shit myself if they could get Jeff Fisher out of that new contract.

I'd shit myself x1000 if they could convince Bill Cowher to get on board.

Can you imagine Bill Cowher vs. Jim Tressel?

I better stop thinking about this.

Last thing on Cowher, I promise.

This report from a few days ago claims that Cowher was contacted about the Arkansas job.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=311845

Butch Davis.

Not that he can't get out of it, but I read earlier today that Butch Davis just signed an extension with UNC that runs until 2014.

Don't give me silly numbers, just make it happen Glenn.

I expect Cowher to be Carolina's coach next year. He just built a house there and would be able to be close to his kids.

Nothing new to report.

For those tens of you who think this thing might turn out okay for uM in the long run, check this out:

http://www.mgoblog.com/

Great read, and as close to the truth as you're going to get on this. If you don't think UM has royally screwed the pooch, and if you don't think this is going to end badly (bukdow, Mike Debord isn't THAT bad, is he?), you are the type of fans that Lloyd Carr and Bill Martin want to meet with to discuss the purchase of a new luzury box at Michigan Stadium with.

And oh by the way, Art: maybe you can use some of your pull or whatever to explain why, at the eleventh hour, with apparently nothing but some assurances needed from Bill Martin to Les Miles so he wouldn;t have to accept the armtwisting by LSU, Martin was on a god dammed sailboat. I mean, this IS only the most important thing Martin will do at UM (Yes, I think it's more important than making Michigan Stadium look pretty).

More great blogging. Check this out, and scroll a long way down to the "Open letter to Mary Sue Coleman". Read it all. The try not to gouge your eyes out.

http://straightbangin.blogspot.com/2007/12/letter-to-michigan-president-mary-sue.html

Snyone got Rivals? Something about an offer to Stoops of Oklahoma that may, MAY be credible. Of course, Stoops would be a dink to take it.

i dont know, seems to me that someone who ripped the former head coach at every opportunity possible should keep his mouth shut when the search for his replacement isnt going well.

i know thats what i'd do if i took that stance...

I expect Cowher to be Carolina's coach next year. He just built a house there and would be able to be close to his kids.

Nothing new to report.

I assume you meant NC State, right?

That's his alma mater.

i dont know, seems to me that someone who ripped the former head coach at every opportunity possible should keep his mouth shut when the search for his replacement isnt going well.

i know thats what i'd do if i took that stance...

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Ron English may be on the outside looking in with the Arkansas job. ESPN says they are after Clemson's Tommy Bowden.

Why Pinkel could be a hot candidate for U-M

December 3, 2007
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Les Miles's name might be scratched off the list of possible replacements for Michigan's Lloyd Carr, but that doesn't mean there aren't others to be put through the same rumor mill that LSU's head coach went through.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch is reporting that Missouri coach Gary Pinkel will be a hot commodity for any coaching vacancy.

The Post-Dispatch's Vahe Gregorian wrote that with the successful turnaround the Missouri program has seen under his guidance, it is likely that Pinkel will be pursued. But the Tigers' coach has stayed quiet thus far.

"I'm not commenting on fiction," Pinkel told the Post-Dispatch on Sunday, adding, "Nobody's contacted me."

The Post-Dispatch did talk with U-M alum Dan Dierdorf, who seemed to give his endorsement to Pinkel.

"If you're the University of Michigan, why wouldn't you call Gary Pinkel?" said Dan Dierdorf to the Post-Dispatch. "Gary Pinkel would be a good coach at Notre Dame or Michigan or Ohio State or anywhere. I think he's proven he's capable of building a program. What he's done at Missouri has been exemplary."

Missouri finished 10-2 and No. 6 in the BCS after losing to Oklahoma in the Big XII title game. The Tigers were left out of the BCS in place of 11-1 Kansas (which lost to Missouri) and will play Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl.

Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star addressed the topic of Pinkel going to U-M shortly after Lloyd Carr's retirement: "I do not want to see this happen. But Michigan would be insane not to make a run at Gary Pinkel.

"Yeah, Les Miles played and coached at Michigan. That does not make him the best candidate to replace Lloyd Carr. The Michigan program is stale. It could use an influx of new ideas. Pinkel knows the Midwest. He’s had major success at two programs. His spread offense would be a hit in Ann Arbor. He’s matured as a head coach. His Ohio roots would give him an understanding of the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry and what it would take to compete against Jim Tressel.

"Now, I don’t expect Missouri to let Pinkel go anywhere. Tiger fans have waited too long for MU to be relevant again. With a five-star quarterback on the way and most of its offensive stars returning, Missouri will make another sizable investment in Pinkel, his coaching staff and the school’s facilities."

Looks like Ferentz could be back in the picture.



Michigan starts search anew

Angelique S. Chengelis / The Detroit News
Tuesday, December 4, 2007

With LSU coach Les Miles out of the picture, Michigan's search for a new football coach continues.

The pool of candidates includes Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, who two weeks ago was thought to have been off the list. But sources said Monday that Michigan has Ferentz among a number of candidates including Rutgers' Greg Schiano, Wake Forest's Jim Grobe, Missouri's Gary Pinkel, Ball State's Brady Hoke, Cal's Jim Tedford and N.C. State's Tom O'Brien.

Michigan athletic director Bill Martin has so far interviewed Michigan offensive coordinator Mike DeBord and defensive coordinator Ron English.

But Martin has not contacted any athletic directors besides LSU's and Ball State's requesting permission to speak with their coaches, sources said. Martin will be in New York today for the National Football Foundation's annual awards dinner and College Football Hall of Fame inductions.

Hoke, however, spoke to Martin eight days ago about the opening, but did not characterize the conversation as an official interview.

"I had a conversation with Bill that was very positive, but I think it's way too early in the process," Hoke said by telephone Monday. "It's Michigan. You would have an interest, of course."

Hoke, completing his fifth season at Ball State, guided the team to a 7-5 record and will face Rutgers in the International Bowl in Toronto on Jan. 5. He is a former Michigan assistant (1995-2000).

Lloyd Carr retired Nov. 19 after 13 seasons as Michigan's coach. He will make his final appearance in the Capital One Bowl in Orlando on New Year's Day against Florida.

Miles, according to sources, was the front-runner to replace Carr. But after a chaotic turn of events Saturday, beginning with Kirk Herbstreit's ESPN report that Miles would take the Michigan job, Miles said before and after the SEC title game he would remain as LSU's coach.

Some obstacles
Ferentz's name resurfaced even though it was widely speculated he was not in the running and had informed Michigan officials through a third party he was not interested.

The Hawkeyes were 6-6 this season and left out of a bowl. But perhaps a more concerning issue to Martin will be Ferentz's high price tag -- he makes roughly $2.8 million annually.

While Rutger's Schiano remains on a list of search-committee candidates, reports out of New Jersey indicat he has not been contacted.

Missouri's Pinkel, who coached at Toledo, also intrigues members of the search committee, sources said. But Missouri athletic director Mike Alden told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch another contract extension or more money will be in the works for Pinkel after the first of the year. He received a contract extension last season with a guarantee of $1.3 million annually through 2011.

Wake Forest's Grobe was asked by local reporters Monday what he thinks when he hears his name linked to job openings such as Michigan's.

"This has kind of gone on for seven years," said Grobe, whose Demon Deacons are 45-39 over seven years and will play in the Meineke Car Care Bowl on Dec. 29.. "When you're doing things that haven't been done before at Wake Forest, your name gets out there and people have an interest."

"Our players understand I'm happy here. I think our fans understand that. I don't know that there's not another move for me, but I'm not out there chasing that move around. I'm not going after it. But we've got a good situation at Wake Forest."

Wake Forest athletic director Ron Wellman said, through a representative Monday, he does not comment on personnel matters. He would not say whether he has been contacted for permission to speak to Grobe.

With regard to Pinkel, I'd have to say you cross him off the list immediately. Missouri was loyal to him through alot of years where it didn't go so well (he's been there seven years), and I can't see him saying "Hey, thanks! SEE YA" after that.
As mentioned, the recruiting class is shaping up to be fine, and most of the team he fielded this year will come back (though there is speculation that the two tight ends are NFL bound).
There are many people in this part of the country that have felt for a long time that Missouri is a sleeping giant. It's a beuatiful campus, situated between St Louis and Kansas City, and there is much talent available locally, not to mention in the bordering states. I can also see Missouri offering to tear up his contract and make him very wealthy. This seems to be, finally, the right guy at the right place for Ol' Mizzou, and I can't foresee a break up any time soon.

IMO, I would want chris peterson first and greg schiano second. After that none of the available coaches excite me any more than having lloyd carr back. pinkel struggled for a number of years, iowa has sucked the last 2 years, kelly might be good but probably but seems to have dennis erikson-type issues (which just won't fly after the basketball debacle), English isn't ready, tedford's teams haven't really finished seasons very well, jim grobe is basically lloyd carr with a little more imagination.

Basically, I would really like to hear chris peterson mentioned for the michigan job- the guy beat stoops' with half the talent in a BCS bowl. I think Schiano is a tremendous coach as well. However, I get the feeling that neither is really looking to move without the huge dollars that michigan won't pay.



edit: darkhorse candidate- jim harbaugh: except for losing to notre dame, he had a stellar season at stanford... even the notre dame loss involved injuries to their top 2 qbs so that is forgivable in my book. otherwise young, energetic, motivational, nfl and michigan ties, just inexperienced.

i'm guessing the choice will be jim grobe, who I see as the beilein of college football- can win with less talent, but will never be the elite recruiter/motivator needed for a nc.

Bowden turned down the Arkansas job and English seems to be in the final 2.

Ferentz has not been offered and he may never be offered.

Never say never on Miles, but very little chance.

Schiano is being mentioned.

Peterson...hmmm....Peterson, turned down UCLA already and another school has been in contact. Dont know for sure if it was Michigan, but it could be possible.

What's so great about Hoke? 7-5 in the MAC? Yippee.

And who is Peterson, Art?

Head coach at Boise State. It is Petersen, I screwed up the spelling.

Beat OU in the BCS game last year. Best game in the BCS series.

He was OC for 5 years before that. Since he was there when his players were recruited, it leaves the they werent his players argument limp and dead. Been HC for 2 years now, 23-2 I believe with a BCS win. He is 43 years of age.


This is the kind of thinking i wanted all along. How about Venable DC at OU. I mean seriously these are the candidates I want them to look at. Young and hungry HC.

Head coach at Boise State. It is Petersen, I screwed up the spelling.

Beat OU in the BCS game last year. Best game in the BCS series.

He was OC for 5 years before that. Since he was there when his players were recruited, it leaves the they werent his players argument limp and dead. Been HC for 2 years now, 23-2 I believe with a BCS win. He is 43 years of age.


This is the kind of thinking i wanted all along. How about Venable DC at OU. I mean seriously these are the candidates I want them to look at. Young and hungry HC.

me too. how bout a little homework. best established coach in my mind hardly makes them the best candidate. get me someone who is brilliant and ready to go, not someone just because theyve been around the block.

I wasn't busting you on the spelling BTW, I didn't know who Petersen was either.

I think I'd rather get a great offensive mind (HC or OC) than a defensive mind to be our head coach. We need a change in philosophy from the run twice, throw on 3rd down ball control crap we've always done. If we bring in a defensive mind I worry about that persisting.

Petersen would be quite a catch. All the rumblings out here though are that he is a weirdo who seems to LOVE living in Idaho. Of course, he's probably just smart enough not to just take the "next step up", like to an Arkansas or UCLA. Probably looking for the next BEST step up.
But does Michigan have that kind of balls? There are no indications that they do.

I'd like to know whay anyone would be high on Schiano. One good year in the friggin' Big East and everyone wants to have his love child?

Because he is about to take Rutgers and there 169 year history to their 4th bowl game ever and 3rd in a row.

I would say that is pretty frigging amazing even if he did it after BC, Miami and VT went to ACC. Also Miami wanted him as their head coach before Coker and Shannon got the jobs.

He is in my 5.

He is in my 5.

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From what I am hearing, UM is only willing to offer a base salary of 1.9 million and the rest is incentives (10 wins, conference championship, etc.). Top flight coaches aren`t going to go for that.

I am also hearing that Llyod has gained near complete control over the situation. Get ready for Coach English, or Coach DeBord.

If Cam Cameron can negotiate a nice buyout in Miami, he'd be more inclined to take a salary like that, I would think.

Well Budkow anyone is free to read Brian at mgoblog.com but it doesnt mean he knows what is going on. I wonder if these are the same sources who said KF was coming 1 1/2 weeks ago.

Also your contract details are all messed up.

I will write the whole story after this is all done about Miles, but I cannot right now. Due to, I cannot post a ton of stuff from Scout.

BTW there are about 10 different emails being passed around about neighbor or a dad's best friend knows Les personally, etc. Pretty much all garbage.

BTW I dont get all my information from Scout. I have a couple other "sources".

I wait to hear more - you've been dead on about a lot of stuff. My dad's all like "how did you know all this stuff so far in advance?" LOL

Because he is about to take Rutgers and there 169 year history to their 4th bowl game ever and 3rd in a row.

I would say that is pretty frigging amazing even if he did it after BC, Miami and VT went to ACC. Also Miami wanted him as their head coach before Coker and Shannon got the jobs.

He is in my 5.

FUCKING GREAT! He's got Rutgers into the Top 64! WAHOOOOOOOO!

That should be good enough to translate into 8-4 at Michigan, and being "classy". Oh, by the way, Schiano is a huge bible thumper. That should give him some play, shouldn't it?

This is mildly funny.
http://therealests.blogspot.com/2007/12/realests-top-10-michigan-candidates.html

From what I am hearing, UM is only willing to offer a base salary of 1.9 million and the rest is incentives (10 wins, conference championship, etc.). Top flight coaches aren`t going to go for that.

I am also hearing that Llyod has gained near complete control over the situation. Get ready for Coach English, or Coach DeBord.

Just wanted to point out that this was posted in the correct thread.

Progress.

pti just said miles isnt signing till the bcs. like i said, i think everything is on the table till a K is officially signed. whats the saying? half of what you see and nothing that you read.

Actually the reason is the board of regents has to approve it before he can sign it anyways.

I have heard a lot of crazy shit, but most of it rumor, rumor and more rumor not really worthy.

Art, anything behind the Tony Dungy rumors?

Carty: When Les Miles' agent reached out to Bill Martin Friday, he got silence in return
by Jim Carty | The Ann Arbor News
Tuesday December 04, 2007, 10:55 PM


While most of the media speculated the Louisiana State football coach was about to jump to the University of Michigan to succeed Lloyd Carr, neither Miles nor his agent, George Bass, had heard from anyone connected to Michigan in any capacity.

Bill Martin, Michigan's athletic director, had received permission Wednesday to talk to Miles after Saturday's Southeastern Conference title game, but had not called to set up a meeting or schedule a phone call.

LSU, meanwhile, was pushing hard behind the scenes to keep Miles, offering a multi-year contract extension that would boost his pay by millions.

Forget all you've heard about secret deals using third-party intermediaries between Michigan and Miles. Bass said it's just not true.

Miles had no idea if Michigan really wanted him.

So Bass decided to ask.

He said he called Martin's cell phone on Friday and left a message. He just wanted to know where Miles stood.

Then, when he didn't hear back, the agent said he called Martin again.

"The (LSU) deal was so good that we couldn't just wait," Bass said via phone Tuesday. "I didn't know if we were one of the candidates in the pool at that time. There was just no communication."


Where was Martin? One source places him in Florida, at the Ocean Reef Club in Key Largo. Wherever he was, he didn't call back.

We all know what happened next.

ESPN began reporting Saturday morning that Miles had reached a deal with Michigan. Miles' LSU players began to plaintively ask him at pre-game chapel at the team hotel if he was leaving them for the Wolverines.

Miles, irate at the erroneous report, told LSU officials he was staying, then called an angry pre-game news conference to rip ESPN and say he'd never talked to anyone about leaving. Soon afterward, LSU issued a press release saying he'd agreed in principal to a new contract.

That was it, game over.

Miles wasn't coming to Michigan.

And while some in the media tried to portray the former Michigan offensive guard as a cynical all-about-the-money guy who'd just used his alma mater and the memory of Bo Schembechler to leverage maximum bank out of LSU, the truth was, he'd essentially done what Michigan wouldn't do.

He called home. Twice.

"He will always love Michigan," Bass said. "It's a place that's very special in his heart. This has been very tough on him."

Why didn't Martin call back? Why hadn't he called Bass already, to set something up, particularly after LSU's athletic director said in a printed report that he had no problem with Martin calling the agent?

Was he at the beach? Out sailing?

Martin did not return a message left on his cell phone Tuesday, and Michigan spokesperson Bruce Madej said the athletic director was attending a football awards dinner in New York. Martin did e-mail that he was "on a fund raising trip for football stadium. Also working on coach search."

There are really only a few explanations for what happened with Miles, though, none of them very good.

Maybe Martin is so old school he refused to deal with an agent.

Maybe Martin believed Michigan is such a special job that Miles would wait as long as was necessary to talk to him.

Or maybe, it was all a show. Perhaps Martin never really wanted to hire Miles, and asked permission to speak to the LSU coach simply to appease the former Michigan players and the legions of fans who were clamoring for the big-name candidate who bled maize and blue. Perhaps he was also scared off by reports that LSU would pay more than $3 million annually to keep Miles (Michigan, by comparison, paid Carr about half that).

It's hard to say which of those truths would be worse.

The first two mean Martin is in over his head and bumbled away his shot at Miles.

And if it was a show, why?

Why not have the courage of your convictions and publicly rule Miles out? Was it in hope that Miles - encountering silence from Michigan - would take Martin off the hook and rule himself out by taking the LSU deal?

What's clear is that Michigan's athletic director, intentionally or unintentionally, appears to have waited away any chance he had of hiring Les Miles.

And that Miles, in the aftermath, has been unfairly portrayed as being all about the big contract and nothing more.

Well, yeah, LSU showed him the money.

But before Miles agreed to take it, he asked Michigan to show him the love, to show him something - anything really - that indicated he would be the next Wolverines' coach.

He got silence in return.

Maybe by design.

Staying at LSU suddenly makes all the sense in the world.

You sure can't say the same about Michigan's search for a new football coach right now.



nice job Bill....nice job........hope the trip was worth it

I think the silence was by design. That's a pussy way to deal with things, but I think that happened. He never wanted Miles at all.

While Les Miles' was waiting for a phone call on Friday, Bill Martin could not be found...

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Poor Ball State.

Carty: Martin says he got the message from Miles' agent, defends not calling back

by Jim Carty | The Ann Arbor News Wednesday December 05, 2007, 3:01 PM


Yes, Bill Martin got a message from Les Miles' agent late last week. The University of Michigan athletic director confirmed that in a phone call early Wednesday afternoon. The details were a little different from what the LSU coach's agent, George Bass, told The Ann Arbor News - Martin said he got one message, last Thursday.
But the bottom line remains the same.
With Louisiana State preparing a big contract extension intended to keep Miles coaching the Tigers, Bass was calling to find out where the former Michigan player and assistant stood as a candidate to replace Lloyd Carr.
Was Miles, as many in the media were reporting, Michigan's top candidate?
Martin did not return the phone call.
Miles opted to stay at LSU.
Martin stands by his decision.
He said when he received permission to contact Miles from LSU last Wednesday, he agreed to wait until after Saturday's Southeastern Conference title game between the Tigers and Tennessee, and believes that promise to wait extended to Miles agent as well.
"I did (call), Sunday morning," Martin said. "Why Sunday morning? I committed not to talk to Les Miles, directly or indirectly before the championship game on Saturday. That's the way this process is done, or at least the way I'm honoring the process."
But what about LSU athletic director Skip Bertman's comments in last Wednesday's Detroit News, in which Bertman specifically said Martin was free to call the agent?
Martin says he never saw them.
The Michigan athletic director confirmed that, yes, he was in Key Largo, Fla., Friday and Saturday. At times, he admits he might have been hard to reach, because he was in meetings with donors.
Yes, at least part of the time he was sailing on his boat in the Atlantic Ocean.
"I was out on the boat with a donor, for an hour," he said.
Martin's mood on the phone was sometimes agitated, sometimes angry.
He clearly believes he's being unfairly portrayed as being out of touch and not working hard enough on the search to find Michigan's new football coach.
He became frustrated when asked where he was this weekend, insisting that it didn't matter, that he could conduct the coach search from anywhere. He explained that at least part of the problem was he had switched from a Treo phone to a Blackberry and was having some technical problems.
He would not answer any questions related to where the search stands, whether it's in trouble, whether his decision to wait cost Michigan the chance to hire Miles or anything else.
When asked whether he believed a more aggressive athletic director would have called the agent regardless of any promises to LSU, Martin insisted that the athletic directors he respects would have waited.
"I absolutely do," he said. "I think this is the way the process should be done. If you have any respect for our peer institutions, for other professionals."
Others obviously disagree, including the LSU athletic director.
While Martin was waiting until Sunday, Bertman was using the extra time to throw millions at Miles, even as Miles and his agent desperately looked to Michigan for some sort of sign that they had another option.
By Saturday night, LSU had Miles locked up before Martin could pick up the phone.
Pretty slick move by Bertman, huh?
Think LSU's fans and Martin's peer institutions in the Big Ten are impressed by Michigan's prim and proper refusal to return a phone call?
Think you'd ever even hear an SEC athletic director use the phrase "peer institution"?
In the end, Martin has his principles and LSU has Les Miles.
And when asked what he'd say to fans who disagree with those principles, who believe he needed to return George Bass' phone call, Martin didn't hesitate to answer. He suggested anyone unhappy with how he's conducting the search get in touch with school president Mary Sue Coleman.
"What they should do is write Mary Sue and say I didn't conduct the process the way they wanted it done," Martin said.
That address, incidentally, would be marysuec@umich.edu.
Personally, I'd skip Coleman and write Miss Manners.
Ask her what she'd have done in Martin's position.
My money says she would have called Les Miles back, just like almost every other major college athletic director in the country.

I don't understand why Martin didn't call Miles' agent and ask them why they were calling him when the agreement was to wait until after the SEC title game. Any idiot would have done that, which would have also cleared everything up for Martin.

I still think Martin didn't call him back despite knowing he could because he never wanted Miles.

The most visible institution in the state of Michigan is becoming a national joke. When radio guy in Omaha Nebraska laughs at you (as they have all week, despite my protests), you are really entering bottom of the barrell quality.
Congratulations, Bill Martin!
PS: Keep your mouth shut, dolt. Please don;t try to explain it, because you'll only end up sounding worse.

PS: Keep your mouth shut, dolt. Please don;t try to explain it, because you'll only end up sounding worse.

big time. he looked much worse after the article, in my mind.

The most visible institution in the state of Michigan is becoming a national joke. When radio guy in Omaha Nebraska laughs at you (as they have all week, despite my protests), you are really entering bottom of the barrell quality.
Congratulations, Bill Martin!
PS: Keep your mouth shut, dolt. Please don;t try to explain it, because you'll only end up sounding worse.
Becoming? Rube, UM has been a joke for a decade.

^ Unlike MY Ohio State Buckeyes.

bukdow, a decade ago, Michigan was winning the national title, and it's hockey team was winning national championships.
You must have Michigan confused with your marriage.

Take Wake Forest coach Jim Grobe off the list, he's heading to Arkansas.

Ron English looking like a real possibility at UM, IMO.

I've got it narrowed down to three:
Brady Hoke
Mike Debord
Ron English

And I DO believe UM is stupid enough to name the first two long before they consider English.

Latest list of 5, in no particular order:

Petersen
Trogvac
Miles
Schiano
Hoke

BTW a bunch of former players have gone to MSC as a united group wanting someone with the initials BM to be replaced due to Les not getting the job already.

This search has gone deep and I mean deep as in no one knows who the real candidates are.

BTW Carr has nothing and I mean nothing to do with any of this. All the rumors of Ferentz and so forth are just that rumors.

BTW Hoke would be a better coach than English. Ball State at least had a winning record this year and plays Rutgers in the international bowl. What has English done that is impressive? He is just one step up from Debord, who really would be the last candidate.

I really didn't know anything about Hoke, but here is a snippet from an article regrarding their matchup last year:


After serving as defensive line coach and later associate head coach during his seven year tenure at the University of Michigan (http://michigan.scout.com/), Brady Hoke left after the 2002 season to accept the head coaching job at his alma mater, Ball State (http://ballstate.scout.com/). At his press conference on Monday, Michigan Head Coach Lloyd Carr took time to share his thoughts on Hoke.
“Brady was hired here in 1995, and he's a tremendous guy that loves the game, “said Carr. “I think his players enjoyed him because he has a great enthusiasm. He's upbeat. He is always a positive guy. He did a great job here recruiting. I think he really opened the doors into California for us.”
Despite a tough few years at BSU, Carr still feels Hoke is on his way to building a strong MAC program.
“I think he understood when he went there it was not a job that was going to be done overnight. I think he’s done a great job, he’s built a foundation and that’s the first thing you have to do. His teams, when I look at them, they are fundamentally sound, they play hard and I think he is on his way and I think he‘ll be very successful.”
Much like his friend, mentor, and former boss, Hoke had nothing but good things to say about Carr as well.
"Coach Carr is a great man who I admire more than anybody in football,” said Hoke. “He is an outstanding football coach, but even more important he is a better man. We’ve talked about once a week, or once every two weeks about the progress of the season and those things. If we don’t talk directly, then there are phone messages. Lloyd (Carr) was a great mentor to me, a guy I have the utmost respect for as a football coach and as a person, so it’s a good relationship.”


So is he basically Rod Marinelli?

Let me be the first to say this....................I wouldn't mind Brady Hoke as Michigan's next coach.

This doesn't mean I don't want Les (I really do) or Chris Petersen or Urban Meyer or someone considered HUGE. But if this thing drags out and it comes down to Hoke, English and DeBord I honestly think Hoke would get it and be a good coach at Michigan. I have faith in him as a recruiter and given the right staff I think things could be real good.

I don't know who I want, but I'd rather roll the dice with Hoke than have Debord or English myself.

Michigan fans already rationalizing the mediocrity that has become Michigan.

Ha. Sad, aren't they?

http://mstillsucks.com/images/umstillsucks/OSUNick.jpg

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7534492

so long lingering dream of les.

at least i never had to read the horrible news article "les is more" when he signed here... actually i was really looking forward to that too.

martin, i believe, put his job in danger via that article. "uh, i had some blackberry problems...uh..." wtf? its not just that we didnt get les, but he completely lost control of the situation. it appears the media was in on every single step of the operation, and some steps that maybe didnt even happen. things seem a little more closed lipped now, but thats a lesson learned a little too late.

this entire thing is simply a debacle, at this point. at this point are we settling? can we get another year of lloyd and start over next year?

diddy:

I don't think Martin is in danger of losing his job. He is simply cowtowing to the wishes of higher powers at UM, and your boy Lloyd.
If Martin's job was on the line, do you think he would have been sailing? No. He would have been at a hotel in (wahtever city the sec championship was in) with a contract in hand for Les to sign.

It's gonna be Ferentz or Hoke, plain and simple, and Martin will be all smiles, Lloyd will be standing there, and they'll all sing, "We got our man!"

And UM fans will begin the rationalizing of hiring a puttz.

^disagree, and it looks like a lot of speculation your throwing out there, not that we all arent.

right now, unless michigan really surprises me with a good hire, im all for hiring an interim coach. how bad would that be for the program? what about hiring the wrong coach for 10 years...

HOT:
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2007/12/breaking_news_michigan_intervi.html

More:

http://thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071206/SPORTS03/71206014

So, what do you guys think about Schiano?

I don't. One good year at Rutgers (which alot of people think is like having 36 good years at michigan).
As one blogger put it: Rutgers is known for winning the first football game ever, and losing every one since"
It's the Big East. He runs Ray Rice left, right, and up the middle. I've watched a couple Rutgers games since they got good (they have been regular Thursday night fare).
Alot of people like Schiano. I can't get past the bible thumper in him.

Can you imagine how much MORE Penn State is going to hate Michigan if they hire Schiano? They are probably going to be pissed at Schiano, wondering why he couldn;t hang on for only another 17 years till JoePa retires.

coach of the year sounds good, going to have to do some researching on him... or wait till someone does the job for me.

wikipedia says: "On Thursday, December 6, 2007, ESPN reported that he has had a lengthy conversation with University of Michigan Athletic Director Bill Martin, about the current Head Coaching vacancy at the school. It is expected that Michigan will offer him the job soon." lol.

If Schiano falls through remember the name Sean Payton.

Schiano is about 5th on my list. One thing is he is younger than some of the other candidates and fiery.

If he keeps most the staff, the hire will be worthless and might as well kept Carr.

Unless Gittleson is one that is gone and Debord. I can live with any other coach if those 2 are gone and Moeller from Oline.

Art: You are correct. There are rumblings that UM is actually waiting for NFL guys.

Schiano can't be any more of a thumper than Bill McCartney.




Can he?

Art: You are correct. There are rumblings that UM is actually waiting for NFL guys.

If that is true, then Cameron has to be one of them.

Still wondering about Dungy (who is from Jackson, Mi, btw.)

Brian Kelly, Bobby Petrino and Norm Chow amongst those being discussed for Arkansas job.

http://www.baxterbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071207/SPORTS/712070347/1006

The International Bowl, played in Toronto, will pit Schiano against Brady Hoke, the only external candidate who has said he had a preliminary discussion with Martin. Hoke had been an assistant for Carr.

Winner gets the job? lol

Bobby Petrino

lol

Schiano not coming.

Stay close. Not that close Mailman. I know you want to see my cock but for crying out loud.

I dont know who the other one is, but it is supposed to be well....I wouldnt say boring.

Chow wants to go to UCLA. He doesnt like Petey and would relish it.

What's the name of Appalachian State's coach?

Is there any reason to think NO would fire Sean Payton? I know that they have underperformed this year, but he is young and had a great season last year. I am not very high on Cam Cameron, as I recall his Indiana teams not being very good and he could be the first nfl coach to go winless since ??? Even the lions haven't gone winless. Bobby Petrino would bring a smile to my face if the falcons dump him. I know Schiano isn't known to be a great in-game coach, but he seems to be a good recruiter and a fiery guy.

Anyone else notice that rutgers was not informed of any u-m meeting in advance. Sort of goes against all of the martin going through proper channels bs. If michigan could have hired les miles, martin's coach should be judged against a miles benchmark. You just don't pass up 33-6 coaches with michigan ties. I thought that tom goss would difficult to top as far as inept AD's go, but martin sounds like a moron.

Martin doesnt want Miles.

Too many people are too in love with Miles. Does he really bring a different culture to UM with the whole "Michigan Man" thing?

I want them to do national search and let anyone apply and go from there.

Venable, Peteresen, Chud, McDaniels, quality young OC/DC and HC that should have been given a look.

I hate that they think having HC at some dinky school like Rutgers or Ball State is any better than being an OC/DC at an NFL team or high profile college schools like OU.

Also if you are going to hire a coach shouldnt it be someone who is a proven winner. Petersen 5 years as OC at Boise State, made them great. 23-2 as HC.

That is my only complaint with Bill Martin. I hate that people are trying to force him to hires Miles. If Miles is #1 after a national search so be it, but I think Bill Martin dug in his heels over hiring him.

Not going to say it still wont be Miles, but meh.

Schiano has turned down UM. UM`s treatment of Miles is not rubbing well with the other premiere coaches in the country. Nobody wants to deal with the pretentious bullshit that is UM.

UM is being brought down to earth, hard. When your world is a bubble created by the Detroit media, numb-skull Wal-Mart Wolverines and your own blue hype-machine, it is difficult to see reality. UM is seeing Reality now.

Oh and zippy, UM has been nothing but a joke for a decade. Since 1997 and UM`s .5 NC, you have got Ed Martin, football mediocrity and former players and administrators telling the truth about UM`s bullshit academics vis-a-vis athletics.

bukdow, if you could limit your posting to the "suck it, bukdow" thread on the OT board, it would be appreciated.

I hear Lloyd Carr is available. He is worthy. Wins lots of games, championships. I think some cocksucker fans pushed him out, but that was a "forest for the trees" thing, he's as good a coach as UM is gonna get.

Miles is up next. See if he takes the job.

I mean yeah UM is being brought to earth so hard....I mean shit dude everyone gets their first choice at HC. I mean OSU got their 4th or 5th choice. Same with USC with Petey.

If you ask the former players and most fans, Miles was the 1st choice (not mine), just want BM's.

Miles is "up next"? WTF??

Miles is up next. See if he takes the job.

I mean yeah UM is being brought to earth so hard....I mean shit dude everyone gets their first choice at HC. I mean OSU got their 4th or 5th choice. Same with USC with Petey.

If you ask the former players and most fans, Miles was the 1st choice (not mine), just want BM's.
Will you come to grips with the fact Miles WILL NOT be the next coach at UM?! God damn stupid hill-topper.

bukdow, you are giving my alma mater, Michigan State, abad rep. Come on, you know from the other board that Sparties take the High Road, and never stoop to name calling or insults or low brow posting.
I hope this doesn't make it to the Treefort. You dickhead.

Seriously, how can ANYONE be turned off by the NCAA board? This is the reason I'm here!

so is BM meeting with LM? blue horseshoe looooooves LM, im told.

I disagree with the "being brought down hard". They have (apparently) offered ONE guy the job, and that one guy is either Penn State bound, or he will retire from Rutgers. And that ONE guy was nothing, again, more than a cursory interview. They probably offered him the kind of money that was borderline insulting.
What we are seeing, at least publicly, is a proud display of incompetence at the coach hunting process. So far.

BM = BOWEL MOVEMENT?

i figure if we talk in code bukdow will get confused and go away.

I dont care if Miles comes or not. I have already stated he was never my #1 guy or even #2 o 3 or 4.

Schiano actually had accepted, slept on it and then turned it down this morning. He called a meeting with his players for today and when he got up he told them he was staying instead of why he really called them together.

Anyways, some of you guys should listened to WTKA 1050 Michigan Insider. They had a bunch of former players calling in and ripping UM for not going after LM.

I think it is 50/50 on whether he comes now. BM and MSC had a lot of ass kissing to do, but the UM buyout is the same as in the old contract.

There is no one else on the radar as of right now except LM.

Budkow you suck. Go back to school and earn a 3rd degree that has some sort of reading comprehension in the core requirement.

I still think that Miles is probably the best coach that they could get, realistically, but does anyone else get a bad vibe from him?

That "have a nice day" at the end of his tirade/press conference was kind of smarmy, IMO.

snarky, i would say.

by the way, 20 hrs ago i had moved on from les, now im right back at square one with him.

everytime i think im out, they pull me back in.

Art:

You may have said it before, but WHO is your #1 guy? It better not be Ferentz, because I'm going to kill a small animal if it is.

Are you going to swoop down and use your talons to capture and fly off with it?

I still think that Miles is probably the best coach that they could get, realistically, but does anyone else get a bad vibe from him?

That "have a nice day" at the end of his tirade/press conference was kind of smarmy, IMO.

My only worry with him is what style offense he'll play here. Does he put up points at LSU because they play a different style in the SEC? Will he be Llyod part two and run vanilla offense here?

Here's what Les Miles does with his talons

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee219/UMTailgate/les4.jpg

I'm tired and not thinking clearly but it was refreshing to read Shiano's statement. No door left open, no reading between the lines, short and sweet, no thanks.

I'm tired and not thinking clearly but it was refreshing to read Shiano's statement. No door left open, no reading between the lines, short and sweet, no thanks.
I agree Tahoe, and so do the millions of Michigan fans who breathed a sigh of relief when he made that statement.

Well Sean Payton would be it if he is a legit candidate, but before his name popped up.

My thing was just to do a "real" national search. Dont discount people from outside the MW or that are not HC or have no HC experience.

Petersen is at the top along with Venable (DC Oklahoma), Chud (Browns OC) and McDaniels (OC at NE).

I want a young guy 35-45, fiery personality, has been a super successful coordinator at an NFL team or a high profile NCAA team. I also like guys like Petersen who have done so well with so little and could be the homerun.

If going by the legit lists I have seen:

1) Schiano
2) Miles
3) Ferentz
4) Hoke
5) English

If Payton was actually in play he would shoot up to #1.

http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/12/paytons_agent_says_he_hasnt_be.html


Payton's agent says he hasn't been contacted by Michigan

Posted by Mike Triplett, Staff writer December 07, 2007 12:39PM
Categories: Saints

The agent for Saints Coach Sean Payton said Friday that he has "not been contacted by anyone associated with Michigan," regarding the school's head coaching job.

A report in the Detroit News, citing an unnamed source, said Payton had heard from individuals connected to the Michigan search. But Payton's agent, Donald Yee, said there has been no official overtures to the second-year coach of the Saints, who was the NFL's Coach of the Year in 2006.

Michigan's search for a replacement for the retiring Lloyd Carr suffered a setback when LSU Coach Les Miles signed an amended deal with LSU that will keep him as the Tigers' coach through at least 2012. Then this morning, Rutgers Coach Greg Schiano released a statement saying he was withdrawing his name from consideration.

Are you telling me that my neighbor's dog is in danger?

Headline:

PAYTON'S AGENT SAYS HE HASN'T BEEN CONTACTED BY MICHIGAN

Doesn't that dumbfuck know that Bill Martin sent an "Urgent Message" to him by Pony Express?
Come on, man, give it a couple of weeks.

Payton Not Interested In Michigan

POSTED: 11:44 am CST December 7, 2007
UPDATED: 1:51 pm CST December 7, 2007

NEW ORLEANS -- New Orleans Saints Coach Sean Payton told reporters on Friday that he is not interested in coaching at Michigan.

The Detroit News reported Friday that Michigan contacted Payton about the school’s vacant head football coach position.

Citing “a source close to Payton” Michigan has “expressed interest.”

According to the anonymous source quoted by the News, “There was interest in Sean (Peyton) using ‘unofficial’ intermediaries.”

Payton is in his second year at New Orleans, where he has led the Saints to one NFC championship game.

The coach is expected to face questions about the story during a 1 p.m. sit-down with the media on Friday.

NewsChannel 6 and WDSU.com will have more information as it is available.

these articles dont hold alot of weight with me. first off, even if payton wasinterested im not sure he could say it. but also, why would he?

i believe schiano is out, but other than that im taking these with a grain of salt.

New WTF Front Page Feature:
WTF DETROIT JOB POSTINGS (http://wtfdetroit.com/)

No news other than a crappy poster who thinks he has sources stating Miles turned it down.

Nothing more right now.

Oh i will say the reliability of this poster is a 3 out of 10. 4 on a good day.

The NO coach is a big NO. Appreciate the parallel there? Lets see, Ferentz:no, Miles:worse than no, a complete fuck job by Martin, Schiano:no, Peyton:no. Either all of these people are crazy, or UM is just a fucking nut-job of an institution nobody wants anything to do with.

What did I tell you leg-humpers from the beginning? DeBord or English, thats what.

Oh hey, zippy, er I mean Rick, you did a passable job on the radio today. You corn-fed Wal-Mart Wolveriness hardly came through at all.

to give you credit, i would believe you if you told me you were an expert on rejection.

What I find so funny about this debacle is watching all of you WMWs scramble for rationalizations on why UM hasn`t had people beat each other over the head for the head coaching job. You have been told for so long and invested so much of yourselves in the idea of UM being elite and larger than life, to watch you goof balls being confronted with reality is hilarious. I can`t wait to see how you respond once Dantonio has the Spartans beating UM on a regular basis.

This is a lesson people like you need to learn. That being, backing a winner because you want to be a winner is baseless and without merit. You are learning that you are a fraud. What did Dantonio say, "Pride comes before the fall"? Or something like that.

Listen to this and tell me UM hasn't blown this one out of their vagina (click on the Miles on Patrick play thingy:

http://www.mgoblog.com/

i dont know, he didnt really say anything other than hes never met with michigan. not 100% sure what he means. listening to him talk i get the feeling hes only telling us 1/3 of the story. what were those skeletons we were talking about?

GEEEZUS FUCKING CHRIST!
diddy, are you fucking brain dead? Listgen to how MILES TALKS. He WANTS THAT JOB!
Miles is the ONLY guy out there for UM. Period. How could everyone in the fucking country know it, fear it, except for Bill Martin, Lloyd Carr, Artermis and you?
I now have to kill another small animal. Between you and Art, who tries to maintain some UM ass-ball-drool-Blue Aide stance that Miles wasn't his first choice anyway, but (whoever UM finally stumbles upon) is the RIGHT GUY, I'm going to have to start butchering small animals in my neighborhood. Dogs, cats, squirrels, mice, cheetahs, armadillos, everything. Everything dies the next time some fuckbrained idiot starts sounding like they're buying MartinSpeak and saying, "I...wait...for...process...I...was...on...boat...I ...make...offer...to...man...who...say...he...want ...job...and...not...want...money...we're...Michig an...we...have...standards...look...at...our...top ...two...wide...receivers...only...arrested...two. ..times...each...in...last...year"

well, ok. i gathered he was interested in michigan too. but you can judge him by his words or his actions. this whole situation is a fubar. i think its a little early to be saying anything right now.

GEEEZUS FUCKING CHRIST!
diddy, are you fucking brain dead? Listgen to how MILES TALKS. He WANTS THAT JOB!
Miles is the ONLY guy out there for UM. Period. How could everyone in the fucking country know it, fear it, except for Bill Martin, Lloyd Carr, Artermis and you?
I now have to kill another small animal. Between you and Art, who tries to maintain some UM ass-ball-drool-Blue Aide stance that Miles wasn't his first choice anyway, but (whoever UM finally stumbles upon) is the RIGHT GUY, I'm going to have to start butchering small animals in my neighborhood. Dogs, cats, squirrels, mice, cheetahs, armadillos, everything. Everything dies the next time some fuckbrained idiot starts sounding like they're buying MartinSpeak and saying, "I...wait...for...process...I...was...on...boat...I ...make...offer...to...man...who...say...he...want ...job...and...not...want...money...we're...Michig an...we...have...standards...look...at...our...top ...two...wide...receivers...only...arrested...two. ..times...each...in...last...year"
Rick, let me explain to you again what is happening. First, Lloyd rightly or wrongly, is running the show. He is trying to be the Generalisimo that Bo was. As long as Lloyd is doing this Miles will not be at UM. And I say again, this kind of infighting can be very destructive to a program, just ask MSU. Secondly, I don`t believe anyone "fears" Les Miles at UM. I have heard him called him the Phil Jackson of college football. I believe that to be an apt comparison. Outside LSU, the guy is a .500 coach.

Budkow again talks out his ass.

Keep reading Carty. I mean he only is the bestest writer in the world when it comes to UM.

Budkow again talks out his ass.

Keep reading Carty. I mean he only is the bestest writer in the world when it comes to UM.
Shut the hell up, hill-topper. I was posting the fact Lloyd was in charge and didn`t want Miles well before Carty did. Your faux insidership may be lapped up by the blue and yellow leg-humpers that are disoriented by Reality smacking UM and its army of douche-bag fans upside the head, but you don`t fool me for a second. Go sneak around The Fort and come back and report the UM line.

Well, I guess we should consider the fact that we made it 350+ posts before we had to start shredding this thread into the Dumpster, progress.

Well, I guess we should consider the fact that we made it 350+ posts before we had to start shredding this thread into the Dumpster, progress.
Here, let me translate; 'We made to 350+ posts in this thread before bukdow interrupted our blue and yellow rationalization circle jerk with Reality.'

Um, more like:

bukdow is incapable of adding meaningful information to an ongoing, informative discussion so he compensates with the green/white flamethrower

But you just keep doing your thing, it's good for some laughs every now and then.

This is a couple of days old, but still informative.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3139834


OU's Venables tops list of intriguing assistant coaches

By Bruce Feldman
ESPN The Magazine

With the coaching carousel spinning like mad these days, this week's list is the 10 most intriguing college assistant coaches.

1. Brent Venables, Oklahoma defensive coordinator: If Venables were more of a self-promoter, he'd probably be running his own BCS conference school by now. He's sharp, energetic and charismatic. Players love him, and he's also a great recruiter with a keen eye for talent. He has learned a lot about game-planning from spending so much time around Bob Stoops. Despite coaching an extremely young defense, Venables' D still ranked in the top 10 in scoring and the group really improved late in the season, as evidenced by OU shutting down a high-powered Mizzou offense in the Big 12 title game.

2. Bud Foster, Virginia Tech defensive coordinator: The hunch here is that the Hokies' long-time coordinator is patiently waiting to take over the program whenever Frank Beamer is ready to retire. No doubt Foster will have earned the job. His defense is consistently among the best in the country, and that's without always having a team stocked with the biggest-name recruits.

3. David Cutcliffe, Tennessee offensive coordinator: The long-time Vols assistant was a winner at Ole Miss after taking over for Tommy Tuberville. However, after the Rebels dipped to 4-7 in 2004, the Ole Miss brass dumped Cutcliffe. Their reasoning was that he wasn't a very good recruiter. Still, Cutcliffe's record as a head coach at a place where winning isn't very easy is eye-catching, as is his work as an offensive mind.

4. Will Muschamp, Auburn defensive coordinator: The former Georgia Bulldog made his bones working for Nick Saban, which means he can handle the heat pretty well. In 2006, his first season with the Tigers, his team finished seventh in the nation in scoring defense. This year the Tigers are eighth in the country in total D and sixth in scoring defense.

5. Mike Locksley, Illinois offensive coordinator: Ron Zook's top assistant is really on the rise. He developed the Illini's pipeline into the D.C. area, and he is credited with cranking up a very potent ground game that was fifth in the nation. The way the Illini knocked off then-No. 1 Ohio State in Columbus also helped raise Locksley's stock. His rep as a recruiter would be a huge plus to any program he took over.

6. DeWayne Walker, UCLA defensive coordinator: One of the most respected scheme guys in the country, Walker did wonders for a UCLA defense that had been awful till he got there. One coach I spoke with said it's amazing what he does, given how "very average" the talent that he has to work with. The downside is it may be hard for some administrators to hire a guy who just came off a floundering program (see Jon Tenuta).

7. Jimbo Fisher, FSU offensive coordinator: His stock was soaring -- till he got to FSU, where the Noles' offensive ineptitude bled all over him. The Noles were 90th in the country in scoring this season and only broke the 30-point barrier once (34-24 against UAB), which is unbelievable when you think of what used to be there. Fisher's still the guy who I think will replace Bobby Bowden, and I'm sure that will probably scare off some other programs chasing him.

8. Jon Tenuta, Georgia Tech defensive coordinator: Nobody is better at attacking an offense. This guy is the master. The downside is that many aren't sure he's head man material because so much of a head coach's job is often being presidential. "He hates talking to the media," said one coach who knows him well. "I doubt he'd really want to be in a position where he has to do that so much."

9. Al Borges, Auburn, offensive coordinator: Whether it's the Pac-10 or the SEC, Borges' system has worked very well, although this year the Tigers did struggle on offense. He is an outside-the-box thinker and few are as good at developing QBs. The fact that he got as much out of an offense with so many issues at tailback, while also having to rely on an O-line that started two true freshmen, is just more evidence on why the guy is as good as he is.

10. Steve Sarkisian, USC offensive coordinator: Trojan fans can lament that he's not Norm Chow, but despite all of the injuries this offense has sustained over the year, Sarkisian still kept them on track. Pete Carroll thinks the world of the 33-year-old former QB's ability to prepare the team. Sarkisian's even-handed personality also would seem to make him an ideal fit to run a program.

Just Missed the Cut: Steve Logan, Boston College OC; Charlie Strong, Florida DC; Chip Kelly, Oregon OC: Rob Spence, Clemson OC: Ty Nix, South Carolina DC; Luke Fickell, OSU DC; Steed Lobotzke, Wake Forest OC; Dave Christensen, Mizzou OC; Ron English, Michigan DC; Kevin Wilson Oklahoma OC and Sonny Dykes Arizona OC.

Bruce Feldman is a senior writer with ESPN The Magazine. His new book, "Meat Market: Inside the Smash-Mouth World of College Football Recruiting," is on sale now.

Note that #7, Jimbo Fisher, was indeed announced as Bowden's eventual successor a couple of days ago.

Locksley, from Illinois, sounds intriguing.

Schiano's rejection humbling, but U-M will survive

December 8, 2007
BY DREW SHARP
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

Michigan considers itself a member of college football's aristocracy, but its treasured reputation took a big hit when another prominent coach removed himself from the Wolverines' wish list of candidates to replace Lloyd Carr.

Greg Schiano seriously thought about making the move Thursday night but realized that staying at Rutgers was better for him than going to Michigan.

If that's not insane, it's definitely insulting.

Schiano probably balked at Michigan in part because he supposedly covets the Penn State job upon Joe Paterno's retirement or fossilization.

It's certainly embarrassing that the various football factions at Michigan couldn't reach a comfortable consensus on the primary target, and that the second choice rejected overtures because he didn't consider Michigan's opening a destination job.

Schiano's rejection further shows that athletic director Bill Martin, president Mary Sue Coleman and Carr have quite the sales job awaiting them. It's not about selling the next coach on the job, but selling an increasingly skeptical fan base that everyone involved in the search acted in the best interests of the future of Michigan football and not their own self interests.

Michigan's only hope now is getting lucky.

There's ample precedent it could.

Jim Tressel wasn't Ohio State's first choice -- Oregon coach Mike Bellotti turned down the Buckeyes seven years ago. And as unbelievable as it sounds, Pete Carroll was USC's fourth option then, too. There weren't just rampant calls for USC athletic director Mike Garrett's job after such an uninspiring selection, there were cries for his disembowelment.

That's why everyone should cut Martin a little slack. Yes, he bobbled the Les Miles courtship last weekend. But first choices aren't necessarily the best answers.

Martin can get this right, but that requires everyone at U-M pulling in the same direction. And I seriously question that commitment.

Martin isn't in an enviable position: He has a clueless board of regents that's inexperienced in high-profile, high-pressure, outside coaching searches. Those in control of the university's purse strings still believe they can attract a big-name football coach at a Kmart (WalMart?) Maize and Blue-light special price.

He has Carr in his self-appointed role as the keeper of the Michigan football values clearly more involved behind the scenes in the process than what was originally suggested.

And then he has a very vocal alumni base, comprised of former players, influential donors and true Blue fans, besieging him with correspondence demanding he do whatever necessary to secure Miles, even though Miles already has signed an amended contract that will guarantee him an annual salary in the neighborhood of $3.4 million should LSU defeat the Buckeyes in the BCS championship game.

The Miles courtship isn't necessarily dead, despite last weekend's circus. The contract extension Miles signed Thursday still has a buyout that requires him to pay LSU $1.25 million if he leaves for U-M.

There's divisiveness in Ann Arbor that's reminiscent of past Michigan State football coaching searches.

Michigan still can have the last laugh, but in the interim it's in the unfamiliar position of being the joke.

Contact DREW SHARP at 313-223-4055 or dsharp@freepress.com.

Does anyone think that it's possible that Miles is still the guy but he is trying to play this so he can somehow still coach the NC game AND leave for UM?

Obviously, if they hire him now, LSU will tell him to get the hell out and roll with an interim HC for the NC game, but I really can't see any way that Martin can drag this out for another month. Each week (day?) that this drags out, he gets dragged through the mud even more.

I like Tenuta as a DC. Other than that, that list bores me to tears. Makes me want to stick forks in my eyes for reading it.

The funny thing about the Dre Wharp article is that it's written by DREW SHARP.
That guy has spent the last couple years pasting Michigan's ass all over the place and now he wants to come out as some sort of "voice of reason"?

Drew Sharp is just echoing what I have said for a month.

This is what Lloyd Carr has turned Michigan into:

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Drew Sharp is just echoing what I have said for a month.

Do you get royalties?

Do you get royalties?
Whats going on at UM is obvious, a power struggle that is making the job less and less attractive. I began posting this reality on this web site a month ago, at least.

I began posting it one year ago. So suck my cock.

Whats going on at UM is obvious, a power struggle that is making the job less and less attractive. I began posting this reality on this web site a month ago, at least.


Your opinions have no value, since you are a Sparty...

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=173&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=2688350

Here is a tidbit on the, ahem, "coaching search"

http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/120807abk.html

There are rumors of a monday morning press conference in which Lloyd Carr will announce that he is no longer involved with the search committee. Do you really believe that? (The Carr part)? We can only hope.

Thanks for that Lloyd. I mean I nomally don't have my financial planner help me pick out a new FP after a few shitty years of performance either.

I didn't even have my Ex wife pick out my next squeeze.

I read on GBW, that "something will happen Tuesday"...

I read on GBW, that "something will happen Tuesday"...

Keep this quiet. I'm putting this out there for you guys only. Hopefully, no one else will see this:

Apparently, there was a meeting today between UM (don;t know who, possibly Martin), and Miles. Apparently, it went well. Apparently, money was not discussed, and is not an issue. Apparently, a certain someone (let's just call him "Fes Riles") wants a certain someone (let's just call him "Fucktard Lloyd") removed from the process.
Apparently, a TUESDAY (thanks Will) presser is coming to announce something along those lines.....

Miles is coming, and I didn;t hear that from Kirk Herbstreit. I have never lost faith in Miles. I want to have his baby.

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Keep this quiet. I'm putting this out there for you guys only. Hopefully, no one else will see this:

Apparently, there was a meeting today between UM (don;t know who, possibly Martin), and Miles. Apparently, it went well. Apparently, money was not discussed, and is not an issue. Apparently, a certain someone (let's just call him "Fes Riles") wants a certain someone (let's just call him "Fucktard Lloyd") removed from the process.
Apparently, a TUESDAY (thanks Will) presser is coming to announce something along those lines.....

Miles is coming, and I didn;t hear that from Kirk Herbstreit. I have never lost faith in Miles. I want to have his baby.


I didn't receive "this version" of the story...is it pretty crediable Zippy?

You could see the Lloyd disassociation coming a mile away.

I think he could sense that his "legacy" was going to include a full chapter on how he meddled in this and fucked everything up.

Hope you are right on the Miles speculation, Zip.

I didn't receive "this version" of the story...is it pretty crediable Zippy?

I don't know. I made the whole thing up.

Now that was truly the greatest post ever.

Please stop with the Lloyd has fucked this up.

Lloyd Carr has not been involved in this process nearly as much as people make it out to be. People just want to pass the hate between Martin and Carr.

Zip you are correct money is not an issue. A contract was worked out before the SEC championship game. Thus that means that Miles all along was the #1 choice and they went to the other route because something happened with LSU that Miles had to deal with.

They have supposedly talked and I think the real sticking point is the NC game. When does him coming to UM come out so that Miles can still coach in that game.

BTW it is not 100% guaranteed that Miles is coming, but I would say there is a strong possibility that they are trying really really hard to work out some kind of deal that is manageable for everyone.

Brady Hoke, head football coach of the University of Michigan.

ART:
Keep towing the company line. Lloyd has fucked it up. He's tried. You know it.
Lloyd was NOT the anti christ, OK Art? He wasn't the WORST GUY EVER. OK?
He's a good recruiter, washes car's for charity, and

I hate his fucking guts and can't wait for him to be completely out of the picture.

See? I can't even pretend to like Lloyd. HE IS the anti christ! It has been revealed in the Gospel according to Miles:
"Get thee Lloyd Carr out of Ann Arbor. He has seen the creeping disease of malaise and apathy overtake my people and my heart aches! Oh BO! Whay hath thou forsaken thy legendary status? Why hath thou allowed Lloyd Carr to fester Michigan Football and prevent my triumphant return?"
To be continued...
I have a paper due tomorrow and I have to start the research.

Michigan's new job search slogan:
http://www.madelephantrecords.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/postcard.jpg

Even Jack White is getting in on the support.
http://www.kempa.com/blog/images/jackwhite.gif

And Sufjan Stevens!
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Artemis, just shut up. You are just embarrassing yourself. You try to come off as an insider and you have been wrong in every single case. You remind me of Donald Rumsfeld.

Its Brady Hoke, folks.

Jack White looks like a chick.

Artemis, just shut up. You are just embarrassing yourself. You try to come off as an insider and you have been wrong in every single case. You remind me of Donald Rumsfeld.

Its Brady Hoke, folks.

Finally, another Michigan fan's view. Breath of fresh air.

Brady Hoke. Hmmmmm

Nope. Not in a million years. No way can they make him the choice. There's a synonym for Brady Hoke:

SURRENDER.

Brady Hoke. Hmmmmm

Nope. Not in a million years. No way can they make him the choice. There's a synonym for Brady Hoke:

SURRENDER.
Maybe, maybe not. But, if they do, remember Richard, you are to stand behind your team, not your desire to be associated with a perceived winner.

bukdow, Zip's a State fan.

bukdow, Zip's a State fan.

No shit, Sherlock. Like I give a crap. They cacn hire Ron Paul for all I care.
And, they just may have to. He'll need a job in about three months.

bukdow:

Stop calling me Richard. For I am known by another name.

Who am I?

I am Fuck

FUCK OF THE MOUNTAIN!

No shit, Sherlock.

Sherlock has NOTHING on bukdow.

Here's some possible damage control. An olive branch between intermediaries?

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2007/12/former_assistants_say_no_frict.html

Brady Hoke, head football coach of the University of Michigan.


Does it matter bukdow? If it's Brady Hoke or Mike DeBord, either would out-recruit, and out-perform Michigan State each year.

Well, here's two rumors from other forums today: Steve Sarkisian offered (BOGUS)
Cam Cameron offered (This is on Ledezma's precious GBW). Apparently it is causing quite a commotion.
See Will? You paid ten bucks, and I beat you here with it!

Zip, I don't care if I wasted $10, I used my girlfriends Visa debit card to sign up for it anyway...


Shhhhhhh!!!!

In the mix: Offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian's name surfaced as a possible candidate for the Michigan job, but he is not currently considered an upper-tier candidate. California coach Jeff Tedford is believed to be a serious candidate, according to sources.
http://www.presstelegram.com/moresports/ci_7679609


POSTED 8:33 p.m. EST, December 9, 2007

WOLVERINES EYEBALLING CAMERON?

With Saints coach Sean Payton not interested in becoming the next head coach at the University of Michigan, there's talk in league circles that Athletic Director Bill Martin wants to pursue Dolphins coach Cam Cameron, if Cameron is fired.

Per one league insider, Martin believes that Cameron's 0-13 (and counting) performance in his first year as an NFL head coach is an aberration.

Cameron was an assistant coach at Michigan from 1984 through 1993, and he was the head coach at Indiana. The program is looking for an offensive guru to lead the team after the retirement of Lloyd Carr.

But the pitiful performance of the Dolphins under Cameron apparently is making the former Chargers offensive coordinator a hard sell to alumni and boosters.

As we understand the scuttlebutt, Cameron prefers the NFL, and would be interested only if fired by the Fins. The possibility that Cameron would land on his feet (and that his buyout would be reduced by his salary at Michigan) could make Miami owner Wayne Huizenga even more likely to make a change after only one season.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I've long since discarded the idea any information can be considered solid in the ever-shifting sands of a coaching search, especially one as schizophrenic as Michigan's, but... yeah: several previously reliable people have told me that Mary Sue Coleman has gotten directly involved with the search and there exists a solid offer out to one Les Miles.

I was debating whether or not to mention this -- the fear of things falling apart and Miles talking about his damn strong team while talking about misinformation on MGoBlog, etc. -- but when I guested on EDSBS live to talk about the coaching search, Orson was not only unsurprised that Miles was still a possibility but named the exact hypothetical salary hypothetically offered on hypothetical Friday, $2.5 million dollars. So it's not exactly top secret anymore. Yesterday morning Sam Webb and Michael Taylor were discussing it on WTKA, too. A secrets go, this one is pretty open.

The set of things that seem most likely to be true at this time:
-Miles has an offer for $2.5 million a year.
-He's got a few days to consider it.
-The main hangups appear to be assistant pay and the role of Carr in his program.
-Martin has been at least partially usurped.

Thing which seems completely implausible but given the sailboat thing cannot be ruled out -- nothing can be ruled out anymore:
-The anti-Miles faction in the AD is pushing Brady Hoke heavily.

Thing as of yet undetermined:
If Miles will accept the offer.

If the sticking point is simply the NC game, get over it. I'd rather wait for the best coach than get a worse coach right away. At this point it's only a few weeks away anyway. Of course I would want him signed here (not wait to sign him until after the NC).

Maybe you NCAA slappies can define the damage of 3 weeks without a new coach...

I think the problem is as soon as he signs with UM, LSU will want him gone.

No coachie in the NC game.

So UM would have to take a leap of faith that he's in the bag and wait him out, with as many things that have gone wrong in this process already, that would be a pretty big risk to take.

Now if they want to try and "buy him out of coaching the NC game" and have him come now by throwing him a huge offer to sign, then that might work, but I doubt they are willing and he may not be, either.

It could potentially damage recruiting, but honestly, I don't give a fuck about 1 year of recruits. I want a GOOD coach...not a jick coach that wastes the great recruits anyways.

It could potentially damage recruiting, but honestly, I don't give a fuck about 1 year of recruits. I want a GOOD coach...not a jick coach that wastes the great recruits anyways.

That's what I'm saying. Wait till the BCS game. hire him. Quit fucking around.
Cam Cameron? Sarkisian? Shit, no wonder I'm a Sparty.

What if you wait a month and then he decides to stay at LSU?

What if you wait a month and then he decides to stay at LSU?


Perfect time to look at NFL guys.

In a perfect world I think that works, but can you image these people's lives (Martin, MSC, etc) a month from now if they haven't hired a coach yet?

What if you wait a month and then he decides to stay at LSU?
You could probably still persue your targets anyway. I think any coach at a lower program would still leave for the Michigan job anyway.

The only ones you might lose out on are head coaches on decent teams in BCS conferences. And you already lost out on Schiano anyway.

I don't follow recruiting at all, but I imagine the uncertainty would have the potential of destroying at least this year's class. Maybe that is not the case?

Imagine how great it would be if Miles beat Tressel for the NC and when they go to shake hands at midfield after the game, Miles turns his hat inside out to reveal a UM logo.

"Gotcha sucker!!"

*insert maniacal laughter*

LOL, then he lays Tressel out with a right hand and spray paints "nWo" on his back.

Straight out of the WWE.

Exactly.

Zip's gotta come up with a pic for that.

"You're looking at the New World Order of Michigan football, brother!"

"Have a great day"

TE_XhSybFNs


Have a great day!
lgjIuaR-keE

A cogently great day.

LOL, then he lays Tressel out with a right hand and spray paints "nWo" on his back.

Straight out of the WWE.

That's the hardest I've laughed in a long time. Thanks (and you too Glenn).

I laughed just typing it, then thinking about it.

IF um was angling for michigan, i dont think things could be playing out anyway but this way. and just due to the nature of the situation, and for multiple reasons, michigan needs to be talking to a few people other than les.

Agree with the 'good time to talk to the pro's' thinking. It takes heat off of LM if there is an agreement going on (just to talk after the game), and if we don't get LM, you have some candidates that you've already interviewed.

We might lose some recruits but if the guy you really want can't talk for a month, its worth waiting, imo.

If UM wants Miles so bad, why did they go after Schiano?

I actually heard that bit of information and had it confirmed in 2005.

The other interesting tid-bit you should ask your contacts about is Lloyd's extra-curricular activities. He's got a long and distinguished track record.

I actually heard that bit of information and had it confirmed in 2005.

The other interesting tid-bit you should ask your contacts about is Lloyd's extra-curricular activities. He's got a long and distinguished track record.

Enquiring minds want to know more. Please fill us in.

Somewhere off the coast of Florida....
http://www.cforia.com/Bill.JPG

This guy is a jerk and I can`t stand him.





Stupid is as Michigan does; same goes for Arkansas


Gregg Doyel Dec. 9, 2007
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Michigan has stumbled so stupidly in its search for a new football coach, the Wolverines have made Arkansas look smart.

Any idea how hard it is to make Arkansas look smart? It's damn near impossible. But Michigan did it by hanging up a "gone fishing" sign -- literally -- when it should have been locking up LSU coach Les Miles. Michigan then failed in its attempt to lure the football coach from Rutgers, a sentence that brings me such pleasure, I'm not sure I'll be able to write again for at least five minutes.

Houston Nutt smiles all the way to Ole Miss while Arkansas stumbles through a coaching search. (AP)
Houston Nutt smiles all the way to Ole Miss while Arkansas stumbles through a coaching search. (AP)
OK, I'm back. Michigan? It's gone. The Michigan we knew and feared has been replaced by a smarmy, screwed-up bunch of elitists who think Michigan is still great because, well, we're Michigan. No, you're not. You're not even Arkansas.

And Arkansas is a complete tragedy.

Arkansas can't do anything right. Arkansas couldn't even fire the intensely fireable Houston Nutt, who bumbled around for years -- losing winnable games and alienating blindly loyal fans -- and still was begged to stay.

This is how bad Arkansas football has become: Houston Nutt took a paycut to leave ... for Ole Miss.

And now as it lurches for his replacement, Arkansas is making the Nutt era look serene and sensible. Arkansas can't find anybody good to take over a program that controls an entire state for recruiting purposes and also is able to dip into Texas and the deep South for talent. When it comes to football, Arkansas should be the perfect school. Instead it has become a fool. Or a tool.

The only thing Arkansas has done well since losing Nutt is obtain raises for coaches all over the South. Tommy Bowden used Arkansas to get a raise and an extension at Clemson, which I find amusing considering Bowden has produced something between squat and bupkis at Clemson. Tommy Tuberville used Arkansas to milk some extra money out of Auburn, which I find admirable considering the way Auburn tried to go behind Tuberville's back with that tramp Bobby Petrino in 2003. Since then Tuberville's salary has risen from $1.1 million to $3.8 million by 2013. When all is said and done, he could bankrupt the university and then parachute out for another job, where he will continue to kick Auburn's ass.

That job better not be at Michigan, though. Michigan is only good at kicking Michigan's ass, which is the way I like it. Ever since then-athletics director Bo Schembechler uttered those haughty words in 1989 -- "A Michigan man is going to coach Michigan" -- Michigan has set the bar for arrogance. Whenever a job opens at Michigan, especially in men's basketball and football, it is treated as reverentially as an appointment from God.

The Michigan job has long been considered one of the plum positions in college basketball, for reasons that elude me. Crisler Arena is a dump inside, it's freezing outside, and the Wolverines' wonderful tradition includes one of the ugliest NCAA investigations ever. Other than that, it's a kingmaker of a job. Ask Steve Fisher or Brian Ellerbe or Tommy Amaker.

Plus, Michigan is a football school. Or it was. We'll see what it becomes now -- women's golf? -- but Michigan's days as a football giant are in jeopardy. A football giant might lose a bidding war with LSU, but not with Rutgers. And a school as great and mighty as Michigan doesn't conduct its business as ineptly, and then as unethically, as this one.

Michigan was farcical in its pursuit of Miles, seeking permission to speak to him in the days leading up to the SEC title game. Michigan got that permission, and was set to officially negotiate with Miles after the SEC title game, so in the meantime Michigan's athletics director went underground. Or overboard. The Detroit Free Press reported that Michigan AD Bill Martin was unavailable to Miles' representatives while attending a boat and yacht show at his exclusive Key Largo, Fla., country club. LSU was putting on the full-court press to convince Miles to stay. Michigan was coldly silent. Miles chose LSU.

Martin learned his lesson from that fiasco and decided to cut the next school completely out of the equation. Breaching protocol in college athletics, Michigan never officially sought permission from Rutgers to speak with Greg Schiano, according to the Newark Star-Ledger. Martin just interviewed him on the sly -- and still couldn't win him to Michigan. Schiano chose the reality of Rutgers, and presumably the possibility of Penn State, over the Wolverines. Michigan now goes to Plan C.

Arkansas is just about on Plan F of a process in which the only state entity that has looked more incompetent is the media, who have flailed blindly for imaginary news. Fort Smith television station KNWA was among those to report that Tuberville would be hired, and then the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette led a group of outlets reporting that Wake Forest's Jim Grobe would be hired.

Don't be surprised if soon you see a headline out of Arkansas that has the Razorbacks hiring Gus Malzahn, the former high school coach who pimped out his best players to get a job on Nutt's staff in 2006 as offensive coordinator and left one year later when Nutt refused to entrust the offense to him. Malzahn is an assistant at Tulsa, but he has interviewed for the Arkansas job and might be the last candidate left after the Razorbacks have been rejected by Tuberville, Bowden, Grobe and Butch Davis. And possibly others.

The hiring of Malzahn would be a joke, but those in charge at Arkansas are too dumb to get it. But at least Arkansas isn't Michigan, whose leaders are too smug to understand we're already laughing.

oh bucky, michigan men only appear arrogant because were compared to fools like you. honestly, why are you on michigan's nuts ALL the time? hangers on like you, no matter how snarky you try to get, only make us look better. no one gives a fuck about michigan state because no one gives a fuck about michigan state. you think the avg michigan fan was all up states butt when john L left? no, cuz no one cared. the fact that you post about 10000 x more about michigan than michigan state speaks volumes.

basically all your pathetic posts just add up to unread fan mail. thanks for the ego boost!

Yea, I'm trying to think back if I gave 2 shits about who MSU hired. I followed it, but didn't criticize them or something.

Whatever...They always want to know what big bro is doing.

Does Michigan State have a football team?

Kind of...that coach needs to check himself though.

I never knew that.

I think bukdow is correct.
The table, er, stage is being set for Brady Hoke. Michigan might not get Les Miles, but they'll have Mark Mangino lite.
http://www.mgoblog.com/

We better face it: You UMers better learn to accept it, and us Sparties better learn to say "We're actually going to be better than Michigan real soon"
Brady Hoke. If you don't get Les, you get Hoke. That's been Lloyd's secret plan all along, and it'll be so late, that Hoke will keep everyone on the staff except one guy: Ron English, who will bail because he knows his left eardrum is a better coach than Hoke.

Oh, the joy in Lansing!

MWAHAHAHA! PARTY IN COLUMBUS!

MWAHAHAHA! PARTY IN COLUMBUS!

And Lansing, and Champaign-Urbana, and Madison (well, more than usual), and College Station, and hell, even in Minneapolis!

http://www.theterryandersonshow.com/IMAGES/GUEST-BANNER/GUEST-PHOTOS/DeadWitch070610.jpg

Ding dong the witch is dead!

oh bucky, michigan men only appear arrogant because were compared to fools like you. honestly, why are you on michigan's nuts ALL the time? hangers on like you, no matter how snarky you try to get, only make us look better. no one gives a fuck about michigan state because no one gives a fuck about michigan state. you think the avg michigan fan was all up states butt when john L left? no, cuz no one cared. the fact that you post about 10000 x more about michigan than michigan state speaks volumes.

basically all your pathetic posts just add up to unread fan mail. thanks for the ego boost!
When did you graduate from UMAA?

oh bucky, michigan men only appear arrogant because were compared to fools like you. honestly, why are you on michigan's nuts ALL the time? hangers on like you, no matter how snarky you try to get, only make us look better. no one gives a fuck about michigan state because no one gives a fuck about michigan state. you think the avg michigan fan was all up states butt when john L left? no, cuz no one cared. the fact that you post about 10000 x more about michigan than michigan state speaks volumes.

basically all your pathetic posts just add up to unread fan mail. thanks for the ego boost!
And, the article shows that its not just people in Michigan and Ohio that can`t stand UM, but nationally too. UM is a bloated elitest pig followed by a bunch of wannabe losers. Its just a disgusting spectacle.

LMAO at Budkow.

He has such a woody for UM. The problem is Wal-Mart is too upscale for him.

I think bukdow is correct.

Was he correct when he said Mike DeBord was the next coach?

Or was it when he said Ron English was the next coach?

Or maybe it was when he said Brady Hoke was the next coach?

Stay tuned to see who the next coach will be...according to Michigan Insider, bukdow.

bukdow, do you know what Area 51 is? PM Glenn.

Well, I must say that bukdow does emply the strategy most Sparties use. They predict UM to lose EVERY game so that when it happens they're all "SEE? Told ya!"
And now bukdow will simply float a rumor about all 6 Billion people on the planet so that when someone is finally named, he can be all "SEE? I told ya!"

Well, I must say that bukdow does emply the strategy most Sparties use. They predict UM to lose EVERY game so that when it happens they're all "SEE? Told ya!"
And now bukdow will simply float a rumor about all 6 Billion people on the planet so that when someone is finally named, he can be all "SEE? I told ya!"
I am not predicting failure for UM, I am just telling you what UM is, not only in my eyes, but in the eyes of many across the nation. That being, a bloated pig of an institution with a bunch of wannbe loser followers.

I hate this guy too.


"They're frustrated because they didn't get what they want," Bertman said. "You can't get Les Miles -- the guy signed his contract. It's over."

Speculation remains Michigan, still pursuing a coach to replace Lloyd Carr, covets Miles and might want to make a run at him.

Bertman does not understand why. Miles has signed a contract, after all.

"There's a bias as to why would a guy would stay at LSU when he could go to Michigan," Bertman said Monday. "I'm here to tell you it's a better job. It's more money. It's the only school in the state. It's a wonderful place. His wife loves it here, he loves it here.

"Les Miles was very close with (legendary former Michigan coach) Bo Schembechler. If Bo Schembechler were alive today, I don't think (Michigan) could have gotten Miles. Not because he doesn't like Michigan. He loves Michigan. But he also loves it here, too. The pay here is going to be more than the highest paid guy in the Big Ten. Money isn't the answer. Les isn't even a money guy. I think Les likes it here. His wife likes it here. His kids like it here. The bias that how could anybody not come to Michigan? Michigan is a storied school, but the guy is already invested here."

Fuck Skip Bertman. There are rumors floating around the intranets that no only is he a fag, but that he has embezzled over 5 million dollars from the LSU ahtletic department.
We'll see how that all plays out in the near future.

Tell me "Skip" isn't his real name....

And even if it is a nickname or whatever....

Skip is a lameduck AD. He is done in June.

Hoke is like the back up plan of the back up plan.

Miles #1.

100 HC/OC/DC in college and pros

Hoke

high school JV coaches

English

Powder puff football coaches

Debord.

LMAO at Budkow.

He has such a woody for UM. The problem is Wal-Mart is too upscale for him.
Artemis, you are such a joke, its not even funny. You have been pumping this board full stupid UM gas and have been wrong every time. You are an idiot. I have provided more correct information than you. Information you little blue and yellow leg-humpers didn`t like, but correct all the same.

Yup. That "Dantonio as coach of the year" thing was DEAD ON!

bukdow, it is a well known fact that you are in the Lloyd Carr Camp with the UM administration. You believ in Bill Martin. You want someone like Kirk Ferentz.
You are the #1 scourge of UM graduates.

Yup. That "Dantonio as coach of the year" thing was DEAD ON!
Weak, Richard. Very, very weak. As far as the UM coaching debacle I am the only one that has provided correct information from day one. Artemis just bleats the Wal-Mart Wolverine line.

bukdow, I understand that you, as a Michigan fan, dislike homers. I do too, which is why I have no problems with you. I hate when I'm a fan of a team and I'm talking to an absolute homer, who can't take criticism about the team.

"He signed the contract on Thursday. So even if he did [talk to Michigan] I would think it wouldn't matter. Because Les wants to be here. He is an honorable man," Bertman told ESPN. "I don't believe he would lead anybody the wrong way."

Sounds like Bertman is greasing the tracks to position Miles as a villian if he takes the UM job.

Does Miles get offended by a quote like this? Does it effect his decision one way or the other?

The plot thickens...

I bet Miami felt the same way about Saban.

Sounds like Bertman is greasing the tracks to position Miles as a villian if he takes the UM job.

Does Miles get offended by a quote like this? Does it effect his decision one way or the other?

The plot thickens...

Right you are! Bertman is "Striking a Pose".

Is it time for genuine disappointment, or is this more posturing?

(Only bukdow knows for sure)

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27815&SPID=2164&DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=1351311


Miles Issues Statement About Conversation with Michigan

(12/11/2007) BY www.LSUsports.net

BATON ROUGE -- LSU football coach Les Miles issued the following statement on Tuesday regarding the conversation he had with Michigan last week:

“I had a conversation with Michigan last week that covered a wide range of topics. I was doing nothing more than helping them with their search for a football coach, just as any loyal alumnus might do. It was nothing more than that.

“I’m not a candidate for that job and I will not be a candidate for the job. I was only assisting them in their search for a coach. I have a great job at a wonderful place, a place that my family calls home. It’s time that Michigan goes on with their search for a football coach. I’ll say it again, I’m going to be the coach at LSU next season.”

“I’m not a candidate for that job and I will not be a candidate for the job. I was only assisting them in their search for a coach..."


"...and my suggestion is that Michigan hires my twin brother, Mes Liles, who cannot be here today due to a scheduling conflict."


"It is not immediately clear to me why my twin brother has a different last name. Next question..."

“I’m not a candidate for that job and I will not be a candidate for the job. I was only assisting them in their search for a coach..."


"...I have a proven track record with these kinds of things. If you need references, you can start with my good friend, a certain Mr. OJ Simpson". Next question...

"No" means "Yes" in my world.

Fuck.

Just read a smilar OJ joke someplace else.

Bah.

Wow, you made that all up? I could've easily seen Les Miles saying that.

It's timje to become an ex Michigan fan.
Talk about completely fucking something up

I've been an ex Michigan fan for a while now, Zip. About 3 weeks.

I've never been a Michigan fan. I graduated from Michigan State. I'm just making that suggestion for the 8 Michigan fans left in the world.
Wal Mart Wolverines are going to leap off this bandwagon by the tens.

Off a building to their deaths too, as well...since, you know, these Walmart faggots think college ball revolves around Michigan.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=317335#comments

This has prolly been posted but..


1 hour ago
"I had a conversation with Michigan last week that covered a wide range of topics. I was doing nothing more than helping them with their search for a football coach, just as any loyal alumnus might do. It was nothing more than that," Miles said.


Lets say that what he says is true. Why talk to him about who to hire. There are other alum to go ask.

God, I'm starting to not even care anymore. If Bo were alive and saw the way Skip Bertman refers to Michigan, he would cheer for Ohio State on Jan. 7.


Also have any of you guys seen Skip Bertmans picture?? This guy is ugly as sin.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Skip_Bertman_LSU.jpg

C'mon..."SKIP"?!

Wil, is that an avatar of your new gf or something?

Terry Foster, lol


Media Helping Miles Stay at LSU

Les Miles must be a dangerous man.

Somebody is doing everything they can to make sure he does not become the head coach at the University of Michigan. There are more leaks in this coaching search than Watergate and ultimately if Miles stays at LSU it will be because of the media coverage.

Somebody is leaking information to the media with the sole purpose to make sure he does not become Michigan's next football coach. I suspect one of two sources.

1. It is coming from LSU people who want to retain Miles.

2. It is from the Lloyd Carr camp who do not want him to come to Ann Arbor.

First of all I can tell you with great confidence that ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit was given false information the day of the SEC championship game. Michigan and Miles never had a deal. I think even Herbstreit knows that now but he will never admit it. Somebody duped him and Herbstreit went with a report that was never true.

And earlier this week right as things are settling down and the wheels were in motion again for Miles to become Michigan's head coach the Freep came out with a report saying Miles met with President Mary Sue Coleman and Athletic Director Bill Martin. Once again the report forced Miles to come out even stronger to say he was not coming to Ann Arbor.

But I am not buying the story that he was just advising Michigan. That is complete garbage. So if he can lie about that why can't Miles be lying about the rest of the story?

Now you must ask yourself who benefits by Miles staying at LSU? There are four sources. LSU benefits because Miles remains its coach. Miles benefits because he is getting a raise. Ohio State benefits because Michigan might not be hiring a coach who can kick the snot out of the Buckeyes and Carr benefits because he does not have to live in the same town with a guy he does not get along with.

However, the University of Michigan does not benefit.

How sad.

You can send your leaks to Terry.Foster@detnews.com or 313-222-1494.

Foster nails it.

LSU Blog: Can't anyone get this right?

BATON ROUGE - I was amazed at the number of mistakes the Miami Herald made and other Miami media members when Nick Saban went from LSU to the Miami Dolphins two years ago.

It's happening again from Detroit to Bristol, Conn.

"LSU head football coach Les Miles appears to be a Michigan coaching candidate again," it was written in the Detroit Free Press recently. "Miles had a phone conversation with Michigan athletic director Bill Martin and school president Mary Sue Coleman, according to several people with knowledge of the call."

The story never fully supported that first sentence, however, and even contradicted that sentence later with this sentence: "The reason for Michigan's reconnection with Miles is uncertain."

Uh, if the reason for Michigan's reconnection with Miles is uncertain, why is the Free Press saying that Miles "appears to be a Michigan coachng candidate again?"
Unbelievable. What a reach. And that's what an editor I know said.

They talked on the phone! Miles is a Michigan alum. He's going to take the call. That doesn't mean he's a candidate again. Before Miles' statement later Tuesday that said he was talking to Michigan about other candidates, I told a national reporter that could be one of the things they were talking about. It is very common for coaches to tell athletic department officials who might be a good hire. But this national reporter was convinced Miles was throwing his name back in the hat without any evidence. "What else could they be talking about?" he said.

It's amazing how media members are so - to use a Saban phrase - "self absorbed."
Michigan athletic director Bill Martin might have just wanted to clear the air with a rising alum of his school. Maybe he wanted to apologize if people at his school or close to his school caused a distraction for Miles before the SEC title game.

Maybe Miles apologized for not getting to talk to Martin. Miles really did want to sit and talk about the job, even though that doesn't mean he would've taken it. Maybe Miles said to keep him in mind the next time Michigan hires a coach.

Maybe Martin wanted to apologize for the alleged behavior of former Michigan
coach/stick-in-the-mud Lloyd Carr - also known as Johnny Carson's old man character on the Tonight Show. You know, "In my day, we ate dirt and we liked it."

Maybe Martin wanted to know if Miles had been more interested in the Michigan job if Carr wasn't around to perhaps stab him in the back and/or continue stabbing Miles in the back. Maybe Martin wanted to know if the growing number of coaches who are turning down interest from Michigan also don't want to be around a hovering Carr.

The latest was Dolphins' coach and Michigan man Cam Cameron, who was best man at Miles' wedding.

Maybe Martin and Coleman just wanted to hear it person-to-person that Miles was not interested. Maybe Martin and Coleman just wanted to make damn sure that Miles' door was shut. Remember, before they called Miles they had just been turned down by Rutgers coach Greg Schiano. Rutgers!

I wonder what Schembechler would have thought of that? Somewhere, Woody Hayes is laughing.

Maybe Martin was trying to save face by getting a story out there that Michigan is still trying to get Miles after blowing its chance two weeks ago. Had Michigan waited until the Monday after the SEC title game to ask permission to speak to Miles, it may have had a better chance. It probably would not have gotten Miles. But it may have at least got an interview, and everyone would know Martin did his best instead of his best boating.

Maybe they were just talking. Maybe Michigan wished Miles luck against Ohio State. Maybe Michigan hit Miles up for a donation since he's about to make a lot more money.

Maybe now this story will go away. Maybe one day ESPN will get its facts straight. While discussing the phone call on Tuesday, ESPN's John Saunders said, "He (Miles) has reached out and talked to Michigan."

No, Mr. Saunders. Michigan called Miles. Miles only "reached out" to answer the phone. Again, it's his alma mater. He's going to talk to school officials if they call.
That doesn't mean he's up for the job. The guy answered my call on Tuesday.

Later, an ESPN graphic detailed Miles' contract extension and made another mistake. Saunders said a bonus was added if Miles wins the national championship next month along with other bonus goals. Wrong again. The bonus clauses have not changed. They've been in there since 2006.

It's getting obvious that certain media outlets need Michigan to get a new coach more than Michigan needs to get a new coach.

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How in the fuck does John Saunders still have a job?

3 burning questions:

1. If Lloyd had waited to announce his retirement until AFTER the Citrus Bowl, how would this have played out differently?

2. Did Lloyd announce it when he did to purposely attempt to sabotage Miles' chances?

3. Is it true that if Michigan doesn't name a head coach by midnight on 12/31/07, that Bill Martin sold the rights to select the next coach to adidas?

3. Yes

Brady Hoke is a perfect fit for Michigan. "Hoke" does rhyme with "Choke".

trying to stay on top of the coaching search is a huge waste of time. only the bukdows of the world believe what theyre reading.

everyone has an angle, be it the candidate who is just trying to get the best job with the best pay he can get, to the journalist who is cutting corners to out scoop the 6 million bloggers who all want to be first.

as stated a million times, no reason to flip out until the announcement happens. and, imo, if we were to land les, the only way we could get him is by going through all this anyway, so i think "michigan looks horrible" is a little exagerated.

As usual I just pass along rumors and shit I hear. In this process not worth much, but the latest name is....

Grobe from Wake Forest.

whats the scoop on him

CONSPIRACY THEORY FOLLOWS:

Here's what I think happened.

They want to hire Ron English, but they are afraid of the backlash, so they called Les Miles with no expectation that it would go anywhere, and then leaked it to give the appearance that they did their due diligence.

Now at the presser to announce English, MSC/Martin can say something like "We did a nationwide search, and after talking to very qualified candidates and other experts nationwide, we have determined that the best choice for the next coach of the University of Michigan is Ron English".