With Michigan not visiting in the school or in Johnson's home today, the prospects of the Wolverines landing his commitment on Sunday do not look as promising as they did before the week began.

That or he already told Carr he is going there and to not bother visiting. Why would they not visit him otherwise? That would be stupid.

Even if he told Carr he was committed, wouldn't Carr want to make one more trip up and make sure it was legit?

maybe, but wouldn't he go up there anyway if Rojo told him he wasn't going to U of M. why not try to get him anyway? And why would Rojo not let Carr visit even if he decided on another school? It doesn't hurt Rojo to hear him out.

It is not Rojo.

His mother is calling the shots and she told UM not to come for a visit. She has shut out his HS coach too.

Someone that goes by the "judge" is the consult that the mother is listening to.

Someone that goes by the "judge" is the consult that the mother is listening to.

I don't believe you.

Why would Antonie Joubert do something to hurt U of M?

Looks like Moms is getting in on some Reggie Bush coat tailing. A few bucks in her till and she's got her kid's future planned for him. Does she know Jessica Simpson's dad?

Is Valenti saying that Rojo is going to MSU or am I hearing this wrong?

So what is the deal with this "friend" of RoJo's Mom that I'm hearing about on numerous boards? I'm hearing that this actually has more to do with Lloyd's contract and that something "fishy" is going on..............I think its moments like this that we say WTF!!!!

Haha nice Glenn, but wrong Judge.

Anyways, I have heard too the MSU thing and I wouldnt put it past his mom.....she is in charge and she already has gotten one son a schollie to MSU.

If he ends up at MSU it is all his mom, because some of the stuff he said about MSU during the season and after his visit, just make you think that he never wanted to go there. Stuff that you wouldnt say if you did ever plan on going there.

Out of all the schools I hope it is MSU that he goes to. It might make the worse recruiting class in the Big 10...jump up to #10.

I've heard UF, MSU, and a couple say OSU.

Vast majority saying UF and MSU. I'm hoping for the latter, but I'm thinking it will be the former.

He could play both ways with his bro though, which has to be a big draw.

And on his comments - He said his visit was "Awesome", and all that stuff. I haven't read his other comments that you are apparently refering to.

Rivals is reporting that Rojo was "blown away" by Florida. I think he'll be a Gator. I'm over it.

Hipster:
I'm thinking Rojo is headed your way. The dogs have been called off. He's going to be a Spartan.
The State got a little greener, remember?

Let me call myself out here..I was told he was a lock to Michigan..It was a very trustworthy source..I was told that when Carr reworked his contract that it sent a message that he would not be at Michigan much longer and Made RoJo possibly change his mind.....Im told he is leaning Florida but im not going to take it a set in stone..He may still choose Michigan but the chances are very slim...
Sorry guys about the crappy info...[smilie=hanged.gif]

we are all blown away...sucks to be a UM football fan right now

we are all blown away...sucks to be a UM football fan right now

It also sounds like mom is having a big influence as well...

But if somehow we can get Warren I wont be as disappointed...It would be nice if Finch re commits as well but what can you do...

we are all blown away...sucks to be a UM football fan right now

He'll still be a Wolverine. Bank on it Bitches! lol

I don't think anyone holds this against you tommyz, well, except for that fickle bastard Zip Goshboots, that is.

Things change, and you can't control that.

Thanks for sharing the info in any case.

I don't think anyone holds this against you tommyz, well, except for that fickle bastard Zip Goshboots, that is.

Things change, and you can't control that.

Thanks for sharing the info in any case.

Recruiting is always a little fickle but other than his family,my source has known him for 4 years.....Hopefully you catch my drift there...But,what can you do...

Fein committed to Ole Miss. Sucks.

Fein committed to Ole Miss. Sucks.

I knew that was going to happen. He even said it had been way too long since he visited MSU and he wanted to see everything again. Wish they could have worked it out so that he could have visited EL again. You know when he is between schools and visits the other southern school this late, its going to happen.

Does anyone know anything about Muskegon's Head Coach Tony Aneese? I was visiting the Sparty boards (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer) and they were talking about him withholding mail from Ronald Johnson in an attempt to have him sign with Michigan. They are trying to compare the situation to Ed Martin (no clue how they get that). I just wondered if any of the insiders had any clue what they are talking about or if they are just talking out of their asses? Thanks guys!

Now wait just a minute. When have I ever said anything about tommy? I don't hold Rojo against tommy. I just think it's all tommy's fault.

Michigan got a HUGE committment today..........

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LOL..............just trying to break the tension. We picked up a committment from 6'4", 320 lb Defensive Tackle Renaldo Sagesse from Canada. Sagesse has been previously been an Illinois verbal, but Michigan got involved a few months ago and Sagesse has been on the fence since Michigan offered.

Doc Tre...NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL THE LOI IS IN...Didn't you remember that from Art's posts. Rivals is suddenly A LOT more optimistic than they were yesterday, and according to them, we should receive 5 star CB Donovan Warren's commitment tonight.

Wow, what a turnaround! [smilie=jaw-droppin: Sageese decommits from Illinois and ups with Michigan.

5 star CB Donovan Warren is thought of as a USC lock and word from Cali is that there is a very positive feeling about Michigan. I also heard that Warren has notified the USC coaches of his decision and usually if it's positive, it leaks, so it should be Michigan.

6'6" 4 star WR Rashad Mason also seems to be leaning towards Michigan a Michigan insider claims.

4 star and #1 safety Jerimy Finch who decommitted from U-M and committed to Indiana is now unsure of his decision and says it's "50/50" between Michigan and IU.

And about RoJo "They're not out of it. Not at all," said Muskegon head coach Tony Annese Thursday regarding Michigan. (I thought he was out of the recruiting process, but who knows)

Annese was adamant that Michigan was still very much in the picture to secure Johnson's signature. According to him, at least part of the reason Michigan was not asked to come in on Wednesday was because Johnson knows Michigan to a point that he has all the information he would need on them to make a choice between his final five schools.

What a crazy couple of days. I love (and hate) recruting.

Does anyone know anything about Muskegon's Head Coach Tony Aneese? I was visiting the Sparty boards (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer) and they were talking about him withholding mail from Ronald Johnson in an attempt to have him sign with Michigan. They are trying to compare the situation to Ed Martin (no clue how they get that). I just wondered if any of the insiders had any clue what they are talking about or if they are just talking out of their asses? Thanks guys!

Coach Anesee had nothing to do with that..He is a stand up man and would never do that to his players..I stand behind that 100%...

Doc Tre...NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL THE LOI IS IN...Didn't you remember that from Art's posts. Rivals is suddenly A LOT more optimistic than they were yesterday, and according to them, we should receive 5 star CB Donovan Warren's commitment tonight.


What are you talking about? I've been saying RoJo should just commit to UM and get it over with for awhile. And I stated above that he will still go to Michigan among all the depression posts, and I used your line (bank on it bitches). Wasn't being sarcastic, i was being funny about it stealing your line.

What are you talking about? I've been saying RoJo should just commit to UM and get it over with for awhile. And I just above that he will still go to Michigan among all the depression posts, and I used your line (bank on it bitches).

Well, "my guy" told me about 15 mins ago that RoJo has NOT eliminated Michigan despite some who have said so......So there is some info but....

By the way..Webb will not decommit from michigan..That is a rumor that is floating around

5 star, #3 CB, and #25 overall player Donovan Warren has committed to Michigan.

Two weeks ago, we talked with Warren and again, he said nothing had changed and he was still set to announce for USC. Last week, Wolverine head coach Lloyd Carr and defensive coordinator Ron English came in to the Warren household for a home visit and everything changed from that point on.

"That visit really opened my eyes," Warren told us this morning in explaining why he chose the Wolverines. "Up until then, I was still a Trojan but after talking to the coaches, I really started to have second thoughts.

"It wasn't anything against USC, I love that school, but I just felt like Michigan was the best fit for me. They need corners and I'll have a chance to step in and compete right away for playing time.

"At Michigan, they have great success getting corners in to the league (NFL) and no one has produced more NFL defensive backs than Coach English. Coach English was huge in all of this, he was the most honest and straight up coach with me. I really love that guy and can't wait to play for him.

"A lot of people brought up the distance and weather at Michigan but that wasn't important to me. I was looking for the best school so distance really has no roll there.

"As for the weather, I think that is really overrated. I'm not soft and I can handle it. During the season, it doesn't get that cold and I don't go out that often anyway.

"I started leaning towards Michigan after that visit and then after thinking about it all this week, I just became more and more comfortable with the idea of leaving home and playing for Michigan. I love their tradition, they're a big time BCS school and I expect to do great things when I get there."

"At Michigan, they have great success getting corners in to the league (NFL) and no one has produced more NFL defensive backs than Coach English. Coach English was huge in all of this, he was the most honest and straight up coach with me. I really love that guy and can't wait to play for him.

If this kid turns into a star, I would think that comments like this will go a long way towards English getting Carr's job when he's done.

What's the buzz with English? OSU and USC toyed with him.
Come on, man, it's gonna be Les Miles.

Alex Williams commits to Oklahoma - fuck.

On the other hand - Everson to MSU(an 'Orange' on SpartanMag if you follow their site).

Congrats to UM on Warren, he looks real good, I was hoping you guys would miss out on him. And Segasse is good as long as his academics transfer well(good grades, but had problems last year with things transfering from Canada to here). Last year he was the most impressive of the big 3 canadian DT's that MSU was looking at(Segasse, then J'Michael Deane(at MSU), then Vaugh Martin(was an MSU commit, but didn't have the grades, then dropped out of prep school)). Deane has the most potential though(6'7, 290, and runs in the low 4.8's!!!). Segasse should be good for you guys though.

I've heard that UM is out on RoJo though(Rivals and otherwise), but maybe you guys are more in than I am.

I can honestly say that if Rojo doesn't go to Michigan, then I hope he ends up with Dantonio (which is where I think he's going).

Hondo and SpartanMag report - CEDRIC EVERSON III is a Spartan.

4 star CB/S/ATH/WR/KR/PR 6'1, 178; Runs a 4.4.

This is REAL nice, and helps me relax about CB recruiting. Who knows the Spartans could strike gold this weekend and my earlier fears would seem idiotic. I'm definitely not betting on RoJo though.

But why look away from Everson's commitment - THIS IS HUGE for MSU.

Hondo and SpartanMag report - CEDRIC EVERSON III is a Spartan.

4 star CB/S/ATH/WR/KR/PR 6'1, 178; Runs a 4.4.

This is REAL nice, and helps me relax about CB recruiting. Who knows the Spartans could strike gold this weekend and my earlier fears would seem idiotic. I'm definitely not betting on RoJo though.

But why look away from Everson's commitment - THIS IS HUGE for MSU.

If it pans out that Everson goes to MSU,that is a very nice get for MSU..Dont count your chickens yet as I was told that Threet is working very hard at trying to make him stay at Tech...Its just unfortunate you guys could not hang on to Nichol or get any kind of decent qb..I dont like the guy you have now and you have nothing to back him up....With that said, I do believe you will be more of a run first team which is not bad with the excellent running backs you have now..

Michigan is still in the Mix with RoJo..That is a fact..Im not sure if he will end up there though as my guy is only saying that there are a few teams he is interested in...

Angelique Chengelis

It's recruiting crunch time
Depending on who you listen to, Ronald Johnson, the talented receiver from Muskegon, is going to Florida. Wait. He's going to Michigan State. No! It's USC! News flash! Ohio State wins out and gets the top-notch recruit. Of course, then there's Michigan. Johnson is expected to announce his highly anticipated decision on Sunday. Saturday is the last day for official visits before the signing period begins, and sources have told me that Michigan coach Lloyd Carr is schedule to visit Johnson in home Saturday night. Time will tell, of course, but the latest rumors have Johnson strongly leaning toward Michigan State. Again, time will tell.

Last coach to speak with him before signing period...Michigan still has a shot

"Ronald, I'm here to tell you that you can help this team very much. You can be an integral part of us being embarrassed in bowl games, and losing to Ohio State. you can be a star here"
"Wow coach. You really make a compelling case. I'll get back to ya"

"Ronald, I'm here to tell you that you can help this team very much. You can be an integral part of us being embarrassed in bowl games, and losing to Ohio State. you can be a star here"
"Wow coach. You really make a compelling case. I'll get back to ya"

LOL!!! I'm really starting to love Zip.

Okay, that Everson pickup is HUUUUUUUUUUGE if it is in fact true. If MSU starts getting 4 and 5 star guys at the corner position, MSU will completely change its identity. Just imagine Everson on one side and RoJo on the other. Okay, enough dreaming.

Anyways, I'm loving all of the excellent defensive recruits we are getting. This Everson pickup is major.

On UM's Warren, that's a big pickup. Good recruiting win for them. I wonder how that impacts the RoJo race though and what it says about it. If Rojo goes elsewhere, I'd be real happy to see Warren at UM instead of Rojo. However, that's a pretty nice 5 star backup plan.

You know, I didn't think Dantonio had enough yet to sell to RoJo when he first started. He still needed to establish a solid class and reputation before being able to grab the attention of a 5 Star recruit like RoJo. However, with the defensive talent that is coming into MSU, it would be much easier now to say, "Hey, we've got some great young talent coming in with you. You would be the corner stone and we could field an amazing young defense." Just too bad it's too late.

"Ronald, I'm here to tell you that you can help this team very much. You can be an integral part of us being embarrassed in bowl games, and losing to Ohio State. you can be a star here"
"Wow coach. You really make a compelling case. I'll get back to ya"

"Ronald, come to MSU where you can be embarrassed by poor teams like Indiana, and not have to worry about ever going to a bowl game! Just think, the holidays will be your time, all to yourself."- MD

"Ronald, come to MSU where you can be embarrassed by poor teams like Indiana, and not have to worry about ever going to a bowl game! Just think, the holidays will be your time, all to yourself."- MD

Yeah, it's MD's fault that JLS can't coach.

You are stupid.

BTW - Zip is at least kinda a UM fan, not an MSU fan.

Okay, that Everson pickup is HUUUUUUUUUUGE if it is in fact true. If MSU starts getting 4 and 5 star guys at the corner position, MSU will completely change its identity. Just imagine Everson on one side and RoJo on the other. Okay, enough dreaming.

Anyways, I'm loving all of the excellent defensive recruits we are getting. This Everson pickup is major.

On UM's Warren, that's a big pickup. Good recruiting win for them. I wonder how that impacts the RoJo race though and what it says about it. If Rojo goes elsewhere, I'd be real happy to see Warren at UM instead of Rojo. However, that's a pretty nice 5 star backup plan.



Id rather have Warren as a CB..That is where he played in HS and was dominate there..RoJo was a safety in HS..A great one..I believe he would be a better FS than a CB...

Id rather have Warren as a CB..That is where he played in HS and was dominate there..RoJo was a safety in HS..A great one..I believe he would be a better FS than a CB...

RoJo will play CB at anyplace except maybe UF though. So not sure that is going to be a big deal. He'll be a WR at OSU, maybe a FS at UF, but the other 3 - probably CB(primarily).

This Rojo thing has turned into such a prima donna show. Now that word has leaked out that his mommy is running the show, it makes him look like a sissy. It might be better for both Michigan schools if Rojo ended up at UCLA or something.

I heard that RoJo was at Spartyville today to take in the ceremony. Word has it that he is going to be a Spartan tomorrow after Church. Obviously this is disappointing since they are one of our rivals, but he will hurt us less than he would have had he gone to tO$U, but still an amazin get by Mark Dantioni. RoJo and Everson will make quite the combo in a year or two.

He was seen at the Bres, or he wasn't.

That is very much up in the air. But if he was there, it can't be a bad thing.

Latest rumors have RoJo to USC.

Latest rumors have RoJo to USC.

That's my pick too.

I heard that RoJo was at Spartyville today to take in the ceremony. Word has it that he is going to be a Spartan tomorrow after Church. Obviously this is disappointing since they are one of our rivals, but he will hurt us less than he would have had he gone to tO$U, but still an amazin get by Mark Dantioni. RoJo and Everson will make quite the combo in a year or two.

Okay Filly, I appologize if I'm calling you out and its not due, but I think you are making this shit all up just to get a rise out of MSU fans before RoJo commits to UM. Not happening. I don't believe for a second that RoJo is going to State. I was at the game, I did see all of the recruits with Dantonio and RoJo wasn't there.

If you can provide your source, I appologize. But, I honestly think you are just making shit up.

Some people on TheWolverine had Rojo confused with Cleaves. Not sure how that happened.

Some people on TheWolverine had Rojo confused with Cleaves. Not sure how that happened.

haha, seems like it would have cleared things up for them when Cleaves stood at center court as they raised his name and number to the rafters.

Latest rumor has Rojo wiping his ass after ripping one hell of a good shit.
Stay tuned for more.

Rojo is now on the phone with his friend Larry, and Larry is asking him if he wants to play some "Madden" football.
Rojo is asking his Mom if he can go to Larry's house......OOOH! That had to hurt! She grabbed the phone and clocked him over the head with it...BUT WAIT! She just said Rojo can go to Larry's house for thirty minutes! UH OH!
I smell a TOTAL REVERSAL in the Rojo Family. He just might end up at Michigan if this is any indication of Mom Rojo's willingness to change here mind!

Hi gang! "Scoop" Goshboots here with the latest on Rojo...
Right now we're all in church together, and Rojo appears to be daydreaming a little bit and OOOH! Moms just whacked him with her purse for not singing. Anyway, one thing I did hear on the way in is that Rojo talked by phone with the coach of WHACK! OUCH! Goddammit! WHACK!
"Boy, you better put that computer down and sing to the LAWD almighty!"
OH shit! Guys, Mom Rojo just whacked me, I gotta shut down for a minute, but until my nex report,
"Oh, The Lawd is a mighty for-tress!
His bless-ings are count-less!.....

lol

OK, singing time is over guys.
Man, you should see the people that are here at church. Jim Tressel, Bob Stoops, and just behind me are Pete Carroll and Snoop Dogg. Dogg isn't too much into it, though. He's asleep right now.
OK, I'm looking at Rojo, he seems to be thinking about Michigan, but I can't tell. Maybe it's Michigan State...
OOOH! SHIT! Moms just whacked Snoop with her purse! I was afraid of that, oh man Snoops going for his GATT! Oh Shit! I'm diving under the pew.
Oh man Mom's is pissed! Rojo and Carroll are under the same pew! That fucker! I HATE Carroll! He's got a fucking LOI and handing a pen to Rojo!
OOOOH, THAT'S got to hurt--Snoop seems to have a Gatt stuck up his ass, and Mom Rojo is chasing him out of the OOOOUUUCH! Poor Snoop! That purse has got to weigh 35 lbs. Oh, the humanity!
I've gotta go, I've got to knock that pen out of Rojo--ooooh my Gawd. Rojo's Mom has Carroll by the ear...

No word yet, guys.
This is "Scoop" Goshboots, Ace Recruiting Reporter hot on the Rojo Trail, and the hubub is now centered on Rojo's house, where I presently am located, just outside his bedroom door.
I can feel a vibe coming through the door, it's got a "Florida" feel to it, but it could be Ohio State, I don't know. Wait...there it is, yes! It's a "Michigan or Michigan State" vibe right now...
Anyway, I'm going to follow this story right up until Rojo signs the LOI, guys. It's been to fickle a process so far to believe that if Rojo announces today he might not change his mind. I'm going to be in Rojo's grille so much for the next few days he won't be able to jerk his pud without me reporting back to WTF Detroit with exclusive coverage of Rojo's Recruitment.
Wait... I hear a noise. What the fuck? I'm gonna open the door
GEEZUS CHRIST Rojo! I was KIDDING! Oh man, I didn't nee to see THAT!. Oh, man, well, another WTF Detroit exclusive: Rojo is whacking off as we speak!
I'll just close the door and WAIT! Pete! No!
Pete Carroll just ran in there with a jar of Jergens and a towel! That Fucker!

Ten minutes to go, guys, and everyone is getting nervous.
Carroll has just come out of Rojo's room. What the fuck is he carrying? Is that a butt plug? That fucker!
Well, who is going to be the happy coach? we'll know shortly. This is "Scoop" Goshboots signing off for a few minutes.
Hey Pete! Hold up a second...

Rojo to USC. I don't get it. He sat alone not feeling it during his official visit, the program continues to have allegations of improper benefits, a plane ride made him almost piss his pants, he cheered during his official to Michigan while watching USC lose to UCLA.
Based purely on a football decision you can't blame the guy. But considering everything else it's extremely shaky.

Rojo officially to USC. What happened?

Honestly, I don't blame him at all. There is absolutely nothing wrong with picking USC over Michigan. Only a Michigan fan, a kid that NEEDS to be close to home, or a kid that values early playing time over a hungry coach/great program would choose Michigan over USC.

USC is the #1 program in the country hands down and have put a ton more NFL players in the league lately than Michigan, and put a lot in the 1st round to boot.

To coaching-Who would your rather play for Pete Carroll or Lloyd Carr?

How about the other coaches? When Lloyd leaves, there is no guarantee that English is getting the job or sticking around if he doesnt get the head job.

As I have always thought, I believe we are simply too old school all around. Our demeanor, our play, playcalling, scheme, our habits, our press conferences, etc.

Bottom line, would you rather play for NC's in sunny 80 degree weather in Cali, or play in 10 degree weather, lose to tO$U every year, and hope to get to the Rose Bowl just to lose again?

In talking to Rojo right after he announced, all he could do was mutter something that sounded like:
"That fucking Rosenberg, Man, I'm all going to Michigan, and that fucking Rosenberg tells everyone that Cooper Carr is going to coach for "several more years", and now what the fuck i'm sposed to do? Oh sheeeyit. I might as well learn to like flying"

Rojo to USC. I don't get it. He sat alone not feeling it during his official visit, the program continues to have allegations of improper benefits, a plane ride made him almost piss his pants, he cheered during his official to Michigan while watching USC lose to UCLA.
Based purely on a football decision you can't blame the guy. But considering everything else it's extremely shaky.

Are you serious dude? What allegations? If there is a school in the country that wouldn't need any additional help in landing recruits, it's USC. Claiming improper recruiting is sour grapes.

Dre Tre: Might be something in the air about Reggie Bush receiving enough money to purchase a small Carribbean Island from USC boosters, I don't know.

Dre Tre: Might be something in the air about Reggie Bush receiving enough money to purchase a small Carribbean Island from USC boosters, I don't know.

From what I read that was more of a Bush and a agent thing, not a USC thing. Still, its ridiculous to think USC had to cheat to beat UM out for RoJo.

Same thing with Webber.....has to do with control of the institution and if this sticks to Bush...bad stuff could happen.

Probably wont because NCAA has gone soft over the last 10 years for the most part.

Rojo wants to play WR.

Jickboy34 wrote: Well Barksdale has a final 3 of OSU/ND/LSU I believe so he won't be staying in state. Rojo is going to UM. Suck on that one bitches...


Jickboy34 wrote: TAKE IT TO THE BANK BITCHES...


Jickboy34 wrote: LOL....UM not even in his final 3 huh?
He will be blue, and you can take that to the bank.

Damn it Jickboy!!! I took it all to the bank and now I'm broke! I stopped by the bank and asked for it back, but all they gave me was a damn Trojan hat.

She gave me this pic too and said, "Suck on that one bitches"
http://www.newsobserver.com/media/2007/01/02/02/reg-1506109-961766.embedded.jpg

Dr Tre:
Man, that's cold!
And I agree about USC not having to cheat to get Rojo, but I don't think UMers are insinuating that. But you can NOT deny that USC could at least be under investigation (not that there's anything wrong with that).
The broader question is how and why UM whiffed on just about every kid in a stellar Michigan High School class.

Dr Tre:
Man, that's cold!
And I agree about USC not having to cheat to get Rojo, but I don't think UMers are insinuating that. But you can NOT deny that USC could at least be under investigation (not that there's anything wrong with that).
The broader question is how and why UM whiffed on just about every kid in a stellar Michigan High School class.

haha, yea a little cold. Not a shot at UMers. Just got a little sick of being told to "take it to the bank bitch." So I thought I'd make a joke of it.

You guys might think I'm a little crazy, but if you were following my recruiting reports you would have discovered cryptic hints about where Rojo was going to end up.
Next up, word out of Indiana has Jeremy Finch wavering on his committment to Indiana. My sources tell me that the "Finch Flinch" is now due in part to the fact that he figured Rojo was a lock for UM.
My friend Snooky Fupdaigle and I are going to hitch hike to Indiana and start filing exclusive WTF Detroit reports from Finch's house beginning Monday.
First, I have to hitch hike to Snooky's house. I hope it doesn't take too long to get there, so next we can get to Indiana.
I'm hoping I get a WTF Detroit "Front Pager" with the Finch stories, as I proved to be prophetic with Rojo and USC.

Cissoko to UM per Scout.

Congrats if true, not a surprise though.

didnt see that one coming...even making tongue in cheek comments don't get over on you. well played sir.

Cissoko: Can he coach?
I don't worry about 40 yard dash times, or how many times a guy can bench press 225 lbs.
I want to know if the fucker can COACH!
THAT'S what Michigan needs! COACHES!!!

Cissoko to UM per Scout.

Congrats if true, not a surprise though.

This is an absolute huge pick up..He WAS the best player on
Cass Tech last year.And yes,that includes Barksdale..He is a 5 star player and a true lock down corner..That is something RoJo will not be.....Absolute great pick up...

This is an absolute huge pick up..He WAS the best player on
Cass Tech last year.And yes,that includes Barksdale..He is a 5 star player and a true lock down corner..That is something RoJo will not be.....Absolute great pick up...

I like how RoJo all of a sudden has weaknesses once he commits to USC. All of a sudden Warren is better, Cissoko is better, etc. etc. If you're hyped about Cissoko, great. But don't start downplaying RoJo now that he's going to Cali. RoJo is the #2 rated corner and the #1 rated WR-at least that's what he was a couple of weeks ago.

I'd be estatic with Cissoko, however, he's 5'9". That is not the size I want in a "lockdown corner." Would I take him at State? Hell yes. But, a 5'9" corner doesn't have a ton of upside. With that size he better run a 4.3 and be absolutely ripped. What makes you think a 5'9" corner is going to be a lockdown corner and a Top 5 player in the nation will not be?

I like how RoJo all of a sudden has weaknesses once he commits to USC. All of a sudden Warren is better, Cissoko is better, etc. etc. If you're hyped about Cissoko, great. But don't start downplaying RoJo now that he's going to Cali. RoJo is the #2 rated corner and the #1 rated WR-at least that's what he was a couple of weeks ago.

I'd be estatic with Cissoko, however, he's 5'9". That is not the size I want in a "lockdown corner." Would I take him at State? Hell yes. But, a 5'9" corner doesn't have a ton of upside. With that size he better run a 4.3 and be absolutely ripped. What makes you think a 5'9" corner is going to be a lockdown corner and a Top 5 player in the nation will not be?

Cissoko is the truth, don't rip on him, there are many NFL pro bowl CB's that are 5'9, he isn't that limited.

But the rip on RoJo was idiotic. RoJo does depend too much on his athleticism right now, but has a reason that he's a top 10 recruit.

Hell, my Grandmama is a better cover two cornerback than Rojo. She had five interceptions in one game, but gave two of them back because she was "Just kidding".

Not sure where we go from here.

Moving along with an actual NCAA recruiting theme, I think we can wrap up this thread tomorrow, Natioanl Signing Day. Pretty much everyone that will sign with either team we follow will sign tomorrow, we'll know rankings and we'll be able to discuss the recruiting classes as a whole.

After that, I think we could start the recruiting class of 2008 thread. Yes, I've been known to jump the gun, however we all know that recruioting for that class started long ago. In Michigan's case they already have their first commit. In State's case, they got Corey Johnson a while back. Great starts for both schools.

More importantly, we can look at current rosters and, given the class of 2007 we can break down the biggest priorities for the respective classes of 2008. In Michigan's case there will be a HUGE need at OL. It was an area of significant need this season and they landed one of the best centers and a project tackle. It will be vital to land at least 4 next season, as many as 6 or 7, and 2 better be 4 star guys or else it will be a bad class for the OL and it will hurt Michigan. I think State's biggest need will be QB. They had a solid class this year by MSU standards, but after being so close on so many QB's (Nichol, Fanuzzi, Marve, Simms, etc) they still don't have a replacement-in-training for Hoyer's job. I'm not sure if Dantonio likes the JUCO players as much as JLS did, but I think that would be a good route for a stop-gap year. Get a guy with a little more experience that runs a system similar to what Dantonio runs.

Anyhow, maybe later in the week I'll need to cut-and-paste all of last two paragraphs there for that new thread. I just don't want to start it before signing day.

ps - I also think football needs serious recruiting reform, like basketball went through a while back. Mainly, they need an early signing period.

I like how RoJo all of a sudden has weaknesses once he commits to USC. All of a sudden Warren is better, Cissoko is better, etc. etc. If you're hyped about Cissoko, great. But don't start downplaying RoJo now that he's going to Cali. RoJo is the #2 rated corner and the #1 rated WR-at least that's what he was a couple of weeks ago.

I'd be estatic with Cissoko, however, he's 5'9". That is not the size I want in a "lockdown corner." Would I take him at State? Hell yes. But, a 5'9" corner doesn't have a ton of upside. With that size he better run a 4.3 and be absolutely ripped. What makes you think a 5'9" corner is going to be a lockdown corner and a Top 5 player in the nation will not be?

Do you keep up with what I post Tre? I have always stated that RoJo would never be a lock down corner..I have always said he would be a better Free Safety than a corner..I stand by that..Throughout high school he was an absolute stud as a safety...As a corner he was not as great..Of course still better than most but not the best "CB" in Michgan as Dionte Allen was better in my opinion.RoJo was the best player in Michgan..Best all around athlete that could do anything..But not the best CB..Im no way saying I would not take him still as he would be one of our best defensive backs coming in...You also need to stop with this "im ripping on someone because he does not go to Michigan" thing...You should know by my posting that I dont do that..

Also on Boo Boo..He is only a junior.He will grow..He IS a lockdown corner..He shut down anyone and everyone he went up against in the PSL..Also,RoJo is a legit 5 foot 11...2 inches difference and because of that he will not be a top 5 player?

Cissoko is the truth, don't rip on him, there are many NFL pro bowl CB's that are 5'9, he isn't that limited.

But the rip on RoJo was idiotic. RoJo does depend too much on his athleticism right now, but has a reason that he's a top 10 recruit.

How was my post on RoJo a rip? Because I said he will not be a lockdown corner? [smilie=speechless.: [smilie=confused.gi:

Jethro, I can't even think about that stuff man. I am a burnt out Michigan fan. This is as low as I've been in a while.

Football-
Big games=flop
"Old School" choking jick coach
prehistoric offense
State of Michigan (class of 07) loaded with talent=0 signatures.

Maybe these out of state kids like Mallett and Warren committed because they're too far away to know what the real deal is.

Basketball-
Not even worth mentioning.
clueless head coach
10+ years of patheticness.

I think I'm going to move. Am I really a bandwagon fan if I move to a different state and start rooting for someone else?

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Gator Chompin' Moodini? Hook 'em Moodini?

http://www.trojanwire.com/images/usc_sevengirls.jpg
Trojans and these chicks? What more can you say?

I guess I'll just stick with bitter defeats, -30 degree weather, and snowstorms. [smilie=smashfreak.:

Moodini:
You seem to have what it takes to make your mark on the world. Get out of Michigan, unless you are rich enough to be a real estate speculator and can start buying up all the land real cheap.
Move to a warm climate, and begin the process of record breaking sexual encounters while still young enough.
Forget about sports. Look at me (Now, I'm not suggesting for one millisecond that you imitate me in any way): Don't care about sports, weather, politics, I read alot, am a full time student at 43, and people everywhere are pissed off at me. Life is great.
Get out of "The Box"--there's a whole Un-Michigan like world out there, and it's got your name all over it.

I'm feeling the 08 idea Jethro. As a State fan, 2008 should be real interesting in terms of recruiting. I'm excited to see what Dantonio can do with a full year to work with. Plus, fielding a team that we can respect will help.

Start it up.

I'm really pleased to see posters on a pay site make comment on how they've seen MD pounding the shoe leather to meet high school coaches. The other day he showed up at Northville H.S. out of the blue. I guess they are hardly a football power but he wanted to stop in and introduce himself. He was seen at Canton H.S. a day or two later. This is what it will take. The fact that the season is another 6 months off seems a cruel and unusual punishment. I'm eager to see the team that he puts on the field. As a State Fan in the Big Ten what can you say but "here we go again."

The hot shot 4-star safety, Finch, that U-M had as a verbal then switched to Indiana of all God foresaken places has pulled another switcheroo. He'll sign with the Urban legend and the Gators tomorrow. These kids are wacked man. Fuck me there has to be an SUV in there somewhere, no?

Chimso Okoji - offered by Iowa and MSU, "has no idea what he wants to do", and isn't going to decide now. He is pretty much out of what happens in terms of things. Possibly considering walking on at Virginia. SpartanMag is suggesting that the language/culture thing could be a problem, I'm guessing his meaning is that they aren't picking up on being fed a line of crap, and that Groh is feeding them a big one, and they don't realize what's happening to him there.

People on Rivals MB saying Finch not to Fla though, but I have no idea where this is coming from now. Someone said that Fla was out of scholarships or something along those lines, but I really have no idea. With the way this recruiting year has went, anything is possible.

I'm feeling the 08 idea Jethro. As a State fan, 2008 should be real interesting in terms of recruiting. I'm excited to see what Dantonio can do with a full year to work with. Plus, fielding a team that we can respect will help.

Start it up.

Hopefully it turns out as a great Hire...Dantonio has put together a fantastic class for the time he had...

Jethro, I can't even think about that stuff man. I am a burnt out Michigan fan. This is as low as I've been in a while.

Football-
Big games=flop
"Old School" choking jick coach
prehistoric offense
State of Michigan (class of 07) loaded with talent=0 signatures.

While missing out on RoJO, Allen, Washington, Sawtelle, Colosanti, Barksdale, etc is horrible, don't sleep on VanBergen and Webb. It's nothing to brag about considering what could have been, but both have the potential to be very good players. I think Helmuth will be a very good FB as well, a position which is extremely underrated.

Only 3 recruits in the top 150? I always thought this was the thing Carr excelled at, and we aren't even a top 10 recruiting class...

It was rated #11 wasn't it? How far would Rojo have boosted them up?

Looking at UM's class, and looking at previous years' recruiting, this one shapes up to be pretty good. ESPN has them at 14, and their average on Rivals since 2002 is about #11.5
Obviously, Rojo and/or Finch would have helped. More so Rojo, for in state credibility.
The only thing disturbing to me are whiffing on the in state talent in what is a way higher than average year. The Offensive lineman that snuck off to Wisconsin and Colosanti, the LB to Penn State are particularly disturbing, because UM has a good reputation for developing talent at those positions.
Penn State looks to have added alot of defense, and I think Notre Dame did pretty well defensively also.
Still, UM could and should have had this class up to 22 or so by getting LOI's from the in state talent.
Isn't Allen from OL St Mary? Hasn't that always been a pipeline to UM?
Strange year.

The OL that went to Wisconsin wasn't an instate prospect. There were two stud OL that were UM possibilities. The bigger name of the two was Oglesby. He had Michigan high in his list, in particular because of all that Andy Moeller had done for him at camp. However, he was from Wisconsin and they do a pretty good job with OL as well, so for him the home school won over. The instate guy OL we lost was Darris Sawtelle who went to Tennessee. He's a Tennessee legacy recruit since his grandfather, former NFLer, was a standout at Tennessee. As for losing Colosanti, Penn State is Linebacker U. It's hard to complain too much about losing LB's to them. Both those guys are from Brother Rice.
What really sucked was the OLSM guys, like you mentioned. That had been a pipeline and we lost two studs from there. Dionte Allen grew up loving Florida State. It seemed like he might waver after they had a horrible year, but he stuck with them. When he was wavering, strangely the talk was that he might switch to Ohio State though, not Michigan. Taurian Washington did commit to Ohio State. That's far worse. Not only did we lose a pipeline guy, but we lost him to the biggest rival. We're supposed to take Ohio talent, not the other way around. By the way, we signed NO ONE from Ohio this year. We also failed to grab a Florida kid this year - biggest fish lost there was Lorenzo Edwards.
The good news is we pulled a total of 7 kids from California and Texas, but we should be buttering our bread with Michigan and Ohio kids, and when we only sign a total of 5 from those two states, something is wrong.

As far as the Finch thing goes, I would have been ok with him heading to Indiana. The home state school, all his HS buddies, the chance to be a part of turning things around there - all fine. But the way Florida came in out of absolutely nowhere has got to make some people wonder WTF is going on. As much as I hate the guy, I'm really pissed that Urban Meyer isn't wearing a Maize and Blue polo. That being said, I don't feel quite right about him. Soimeday something big is going to break in Gainesville (either from Billy Donovan or Meyer, maybe both) and if it stinks I'll be gald it's not here. But for now he has a big ring and a top recruiting class and I'm insanely jealous of both.

Finally, as for the 3 recruits in the top 150 thing, it all depends which site you look at. This class could have been SO much better, but let's not forget that we have 2 5 star guys and several other 4 stars. The school down the road has a boner thanks to a handful of 4 stars. On the Big Ten scale we're at the top. What makes this class less impressive is that Michigan's not a "Big Ten scale" team. They're expected to be National every single year.

Fuck, Fuck, Fuck.

George White a 3 star MLB sent his LOI to Missouri. Grades are supposed to be an issue though.

And Cedric Everson to Iowa "That's where my heart was the entire time". Really frustrating, and it explains how the PSL can piss off many coaches.

Hoping that Nick Foles comes up this weekend(as expected), likes it and signs. Maybe a late qualifier or 2 also. Just REALLY frustrating to lose 2 kids.

Good news though - Antonio Jeremiah - Qualified unless he bombs this semester, and Ish Johnson and Chase Dumphord sent their LOI's. So none of the expected risks came in.

And ND lost to 4 stars - LOL at them.

USC, WOW. Got Joe McNight(#2 in the country per Rivals), and have an INSANE class. 6 5 stars.

Dewey Elliot - 4 star ILB - Possibly committing to MSU, that'd be big.

In spite of how long that post was, I actually forgot one positive thing for Michigan.

I LOVE the fact that 4 guys from this class are already in classes at Michigan. In case any of you don't understand the significance of that, these guys get a huge jumpstart over other incoming freshmen. They're eligible to participate in many more workouts and they will have a better understanding of the system, the plays, etc.

Last year Justin Boren and Carlos Brown were January enrollees. Boren played a solid role this past year and will likely start next year. Brown was ready for action and would have seen more if it weren't for the RB depth and the fact that Brandon Minor turned out to be so good.

This year there are 4 enrolled already. Mallett, Helmuth, Austin Panter (JUCO defensive player of the year) and Artis Chambers. I wouldn't be surprised to see Helmuth and Panter starting this season. For Mallett, I have no idea if they plan to fully redshirt him or try to get a little experience in him, assuming he'll be an early departure anyhow. Chambers may have a shot at some playing time - as most anyone would in that defensive backfield - but special teams may be the most likely starting point.

Personally I wouldn't mind moving Morgan Trent to the Steve Breaston role to take advantage of his speed and go with an all-California secondary. Michael Williams, Donovan Warren, Jonas Mouton, Chris Richards and Johnny Sears certainly provide talent. There has been talk about the possibility of Babb and/or Horn on defense as well.

(if it weren't for Jamar Adams I would almost be serious about that all Cali DB thing)

It just goes to show how much "reputation" preceds you, or that perception is reality.
If you look at Penn St, the only linebacker I can think of worth anything has been Posluzny. Even Ohio State has been better at linebacker over the last few years, and mybe even over the last twenty, going back to guys like Tom Cousineau and Marcus Marek. Then we get to AJ Hawk and Co. Pretty darn good.
I still think this class is going to grade out prety well over the years.
But, it's still Lloydville, and until he goes it really doesn't matter.

Dan Conner is at Penn State, and many Saturdays last year he was better than Posluzny. Doesn't mean I completely disagree with you, just pointing out another name.

It just goes to show how much "reputation" preceds you, or that perception is reality.
If you look at Penn St, the only linebacker I can think of worth anything has been Posluzny. Even Ohio State has been better at linebacker over the last few years, and mybe even over the last twenty, going back to guys like Tom Cousineau and Marcus Marek. Then we get to AJ Hawk and Co. Pretty darn good.
I still think this class is going to grade out prety well over the years.
But, it's still Lloydville, and until he goes it really doesn't matter.

Umm, Dan Connor, the better LB at PSU?

Jethro:
I'm sure there's more, I'm just saying Penn State hasn't been "linebacker U" for many years.
As for Colosanti, well, actually if a kid just wants to leave and go play elsewhere, that's good enough for me!

detroitsports:
OK, nice call. Now, maybe more than ONE name is needed to refute my point?

detroitsports:
OK, nice call. Now, maybe more than ONE name is needed to refute my point?

Lavar Arrington?

Brandon Short was there with Arrington and was also a first team All-American.

Was Arrington a linebacker or did he play on the line? I recall him lining up next to...Courtney Brown?

I was watching video of CMU's new DT (Allison) on rivals and he looks pretty darn good. he looks a little small, but is very fast on film.

I gotta say, detroitsportcity, you are killing me!
I mean, in two days, you've already come up with TWO names.
how do you do it? I should know better than to challenge such a powerful sports intellect.

Todd Christensen went to PSU.

I think he was a tight end, so it doesn't really relate to this debate, I just want to get y'all thinking about him and his sweet ass perm.

I was watching video of CMU's new DT (Allison) on rivals and he looks pretty darn good. he looks a little small, but is very fast on film.

Its too bad CMU lost out on Audie Cole from Monroe...I believe he would have been a nice fit there

I miss Todd Christenson's hair, I'm glad I'm not alone.
One thing I really miss about him (not that he's dead or anything), is his never ending ability to convey the fact that he is an "intellectual". He was well read, and every interview with him would always begin with the interviewer discussing that. So, the interview would usually proceed with questions and answers like this:
"So, Todd, who do you like in the playoof game between the Oklahoma Toast and the New Jersey Mothballs?"
"Well, let me tell you this: In the Iliad, when Achilles returns to the battle after Patroclus was killed, the war really turned in favor of the Greeks."
....
"OK, well, I understand that the Mothballs quarterback, Gerg Thipjordle has a torn hamstring. How can that hurt a quarterback's ability to pass?"
"Steve, if you consider the fact that a black hole has a gravitational pull that is so strong that even light cannot escape it, then you'd stop asking why we've never actually discovered one" (Christenson could actually italicise words in an interview, by the way).
...
"Would you say, Todd, that the home field advantage is big in this game"
"Steve, there is no question that when the Communists staged their coup in Russia in 1917, it had a profound impact on the Chinese, as they soon followed suit"
"...?!?!..."
"Well Todd, in all big games, turnovers can make the difference. The Oklahoma Toast has not turned the ball over in the fourth quarter all year. What does that tell you?"
"Steve, I think you're missing the big picture. Galileo discovered that the universe was not centered about the Earth. It was only AFTER being pressured by the Catholic Church that he recanted those statements"
"Let's go back to Chris Berman in Bristol" NOW!

I was surprised their class was ranked below many MAC schools, including Eastern. I would have thought that kids would see their performance this year and want to be a part of that program that has a lot of young talent and looks to be going places. Maybe the coaching change hurt them on some recruits.

While JoePa has been there forever, I believe he has produced 13 1st team all-american linebackers (not counting times a guy made it twice). There have been a handful of other 2nd team all-americans.

Criticize the lack of names if you will, but at this point the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise. You through out a partial list of Ohio State linebackers and not much else.

I believe that at the very least the implication was that the moniker "Linebacker U" was outdated, because PSU hadn't been productive at that position for several years until Pozluzny came along.
Thirteen is impressive, but remember he has been the coach there for 41 years. That's about one very three years. Not gonna give me a boner. Nor is it going to go a long way in proving my point wrong.
Let's not discuss "2nd team All American"--that's only slightly more impressive than taking second place in the Wyoming State Fair Pumpkin Growing Contest.
My point was, again, that the tag didn't exactly fit PSU "anymore".
If you want a point of reference, then let's go back to, say, 1985. Most of the time, when the pundits talk about current college players, they say stuff like, "Hey, tradition doesn't matter to these kids, they weren't born until 1989 or 1990. They don't care that you won a national championship...blah blah blah"
So, when I make a point about PSU not pumping out linebackers so much anymore, I'm following that line of thought.

Let me add this: What year did PSU join the Big 10?
I remember that most people thought that was going to be the end of the Big 10. Penn State would dominate the Big 10, and run UM and OSU out on a rail.
Hasn't really worked out that way.
So, have the All American linebackers that PSU is so noted for been tearing up the Big 10 with the rest of the Nittany Lions? Or, has Linebacker U seen a dropoff there with the rest of the program since they started "dominating" the Big 10?
It just hasn't been so great for PSU in the Big 10 so far.

I was surprised their class was ranked below many MAC schools, including Eastern. I would have thought that kids would see their performance this year and want to be a part of that program that has a lot of young talent and looks to be going places. Maybe the coaching change hurt them on some recruits.

That surprised me to a point,but with the coaching change It was probably expected....

What im really surprised about is Western only signing 1 kid from Michigan.....That is unacceptable in my opinion..

That surprised me to a point,but with the coaching change It was probably expected....

What im really surprised about is Western only signing 1 kid from Michigan.....That is unacceptable in my opinion..

Sucks they have to compete with GVSU now.

Todd Christensen went to PSU.

I think he was a tight end, so it doesn't really relate to this debate, I just want to get y'all thinking about him and his sweet ass perm.
Todd Christiansen went to BYU. Just a couple thousand miles away.

Ha ha

Shame on me.

I wonder why I thought he went to PSU?

Maybe because I'm an idjit.

He, himself,rates his 1st class a C+ and who am I to argue? The guy hit the ground running and got some players. Anybody who thought they had a legit shot at Rojo or Barksdale needs a 28 day stay somewhere. Why the fuck would anyone with options like they had sign on for this uphill climb?? Unfortunate with the Everson developement. I hope the first time somebody has a good clean shot at him next fall, they hit him so hard his relatives end up in the emergency room. It's not that he didn't choose State. It's that he wasn't man enough to pick up the blower and give a call. Punk shit! He comes from a good home and he should have known better. I think Dantonio is recognized as a guy who can spot a nugget here and there. Let's hope he got his share. Coach 'em up Coach D. We'll be rooting 'em in.

Hipdigit:
Just where would those 28 day stays be?
Peurto Rico? Brazil? I can just imagine being smothered in Brazilian ass for a month.

You're on the right path. I'm thinking better Brazil than say Krakow. I could be wrong.

Yes, but don't asy "Brazil" and "Krack" in the same sentence when I'm around.
Many people think of "heaven" as floating around with a halo and wearing some faggoty wings.
I think of it as being in Brazil during Carnivale. Kind of a "kid in a candy shop" sort of thing.

ASU decommitt Nick Foles is going to be a Spartan. Central Texas player of the year. State Champ from Drew Brees' old high school. This is a pretty big dealio for State and a testiimony that Dantonio might be along with Nick Slick and Urban Legend the hardest working man in show biz. Ay, ay, ay!!

Hipster:
What the hell happened to your alpacas?
Check out your email in box.
This makes for some good news for Sparty. It tells me there is plenty of talent to go around, and I don't buy the knock against Northern schools and recruiting. This kid was #99 in Tejas!
Pete Carroll and Mack Brown can't get all of them.

Hipster:
What the hell happened to your alpacas?
Check out your email in box.
This makes for some good news for Sparty. It tells me there is plenty of talent to go around, and I don't buy the knock against Northern schools and recruiting. This kid was #99 in Tejas!
Pete Carroll and Mack Brown can't get all of them.
I have the whole load riding on the all-star game and the over. Oh by the way after I lost most of it in a "moment of clarity" taking U-M +8 against MSU the "whole load" makes me look like lower class in Darfur.

Again this kid's team won the State Champeenship and he was selected as the Player of the Year in Central Tejas. This = #99 player in the state? I know Tejas is "grande" but how many fucking sections does this state have?

I don't know alot about Nick Foles, but I do know this: The kid is big, good arm, good potential, State Champion, and he comes from a football state in Texas. I like that. Will he be a good one? I don't know. But, he gives MSU another option after next season.

If we are going more pro style, I like a 6'5" QB to do it.

I heard that Nick Foles played his senior season with a bum shoulder and is scheduled for surgery, but nobody knew what kind of surgery..........anyone around here know what he is scheduled to get?

Filly:
He did play with a "labrum" tear, but didn't tell anyone for fear of missing his senior season.
I think he has had the surgery already, though, and will be ready for spring ball.

Filly:
He did play with a "labrum" tear, but didn't tell anyone for fear of missing his senior season.
I think he has had the surgery already, though, and will be ready for spring ball.

How did we miss this scoop?

I thought arm injuries being kept hidden was our claim to fame?

Well, the Sparties aren't going to give this up unless the kid goes somewhere else.
If he had, we'd know by now that he was playing with a crushed skull and a broken coccyx.

I heard that Nick Foles played his senior season with a bum shoulder and is scheduled for surgery, but nobody knew what kind of surgery..........anyone around here know what he is scheduled to get?
He had the "Drew Brees" surgery performed by the same Dr. He played all year and it affected his deep ball more than anything. He still managed to throw for 30+ TD's and only 4 INT's. The surgery went well but he soured on ASU when he found out Erickson was prying away the QB from USC Samson Szakacsy. Nick told the Sun Devils adios.

Foles did have the surgery already and he's getting back to 100% already. He played in the toughest division in Texas and threw 32 tds with the injury. Many around the state of Texas believe the 3 star ranking was an absolute joke. He was thought to be a 4 star at the very worst.

I'd say this Foles kid has the next four Heismans already locked up. I can see it now: Gatorade being dumped on Dantonio after Foles leads MSU to a HUGE win over the Northern Hawaii State Bicuspids in the 2008 Stupor Bowl.

I'd say this Foles kid has the next four Heismans already locked up. I can see it now: Gatorade being dumped on Dantonio after Foles leads MSU to a HUGE win over the Northern Hawaii State Bicuspids in the 2008 Stupor Bowl.

This thought should never run through a human's brain. Damn Zip. You must be on some serious shit.

Just BEER, Moodini. Beer and life.

Yo Detroit, get us some some of your updates on fball recruiting. I've been hearing about some kids from Detroit that might commit.

You can't just go with whatever school has the most chicks who end up in Hustler?

"but if I had to name a school (as a favorite) right now, I'd probably say Michigan"
Translation: I'm not as good as everyone thinks, so USC is out of the question.

I did a little research since I was bored. I went to NFL.com to look up draft picks from both Florida and Michigan since 1982 (all the info they had). Florida has 26 first round picks while Michigan only has 18 in that same span. However, both teams have had 13 skill players drafted (DB's, WR's, RB's and QB's). I know this isn't the most telling stat, but I fail to see where there is so much more speed in the south. Obviously its a different brand of football up north, but tO$U opened it up, so did the Sparties and West Virginia is built on their speed. So I guess I'm going to need some more "proof" of this speed factor to buy in...........but it is interesting that high school kids feel this way.

I did a little research since I was bored. I went to NFL.com to look up draft picks from both Florida and Michigan since 1982 (all the info they had). Florida has 26 first round picks while Michigan only has 18 in that same span. However, both teams have had 13 skill players drafted (DB's, WR's, RB's and QB's). I know this isn't the most telling stat, but I fail to see where there is so much more speed in the south. Obviously its a different brand of football up north, but tO$U opened it up, so did the Sparties and West Virginia is built on their speed. So I guess I'm going to need some more "proof" of this speed factor to buy in...........but it is interesting that high school kids feel this way.
Here's one that blew me away and this was from Rivals a few months back so I have no link. As I recall the article stated that 2 years ago Michigan (my home state...I'm no Gator bator) sent 20 to D-1 schools on fb schollies. They also footnoted this was a "down year" for talent. The same year Florida sent 300. Watch even the most obscure college game intro's. You have Fla. kids playing at Idaho for fucks sake. Speed factors in there somewhere. Telling.

I don't doubt your point that it does factor in somewhere. But there are also many more h.s. athletes in Florida, but Florida or Texas or Alabama can also produce some great strong lineman. But I was bored and did a little more research...........

Since 1982, here are 4 more prominent schools with 1st round "skill" players

Texas -- 11
USC -- 13
FSU -- 13 (including Janikowski)
tO$U -- 17

I'm sure most of the kids drafted are from Florida or South Carolina or Georgia, but I'm too lazy to look 'em up. Make of it what you will.

I don't doubt your point that it does factor in somewhere. But there are also many more h.s. athletes in Florida, but Florida or Texas or Alabama can also produce some great strong lineman. But I was bored and did a little more research...........

Since 1982, here are 4 more prominent schools with 1st round "skill" players

Texas -- 11
USC -- 13
FSU -- 13 (including Janikowski)
tO$U -- 17

I'm sure most of the kids drafted are from Florida or South Carolina or Georgia, but I'm too lazy to look 'em up. Make of it what you will.
I don't know that there is the emphasis on sports (maybe even especially football) in Michigan compared to when I was in school. Populations have shifted etc. I'm from Bay City. We had 6-7 Class C or better Catholic Schools in town when I was there. My nephew went to the one remaining, All Saints, and graduated two years ago. There were 14-15 kids on the football team Class D. Huh?? When I was in high school if you were bigger than a dwarf and didn't go out for football they'd throw your dead carcass in the Bay or crazy glue a "FAG" sign on your forehead. Florida the emphasis is still prominent. Different times.

I agree with you Hip. I think anyone that was athletic or not retarded that didn't play football in h.s is an idiot. I know plenty of people that have chosen to play other sports and honestly they got made fun of for it and I"m a teacher now and there is a huge bias against kids that don't play football mainly, but some other sports. There are a few kids that might golf instead, but usually those kids are superior golfers and it only makes sense to do that. The thing I hate the most is when a kid only plays one sport in h.s and "specializes" in it. Hell, even J-Rich played football at Nouvel before concentrating on basketball. I know of a few people from my era and even now that don't play football and "conentrate" on a specific sport and only a SMALL handful played in college, but yet all were made fun of either to their face or behind their back MANY times.

But it would be great to bring back the days you speak of for sure.

I agree with you Hip. I think anyone that was athletic or not retarded that didn't play football in h.s is an idiot. I know plenty of people that have chosen to play other sports and honestly they got made fun of for it and I"m a teacher now and there is a huge bias against kids that don't play football mainly, but some other sports. There are a few kids that might golf instead, but usually those kids are superior golfers and it only makes sense to do that. The thing I hate the most is when a kid only plays one sport in h.s and "specializes" in it. Hell, even J-Rich played football at Nouvel before concentrating on basketball. I know of a few people from my era and even now that don't play football and "conentrate" on a specific sport and only a SMALL handful played in college, but yet all were made fun of either to their face or behind their back MANY times.

But it would be great to bring back the days you speak of for sure.

That's a messed up post Filly. Get off your football high horse. Most athletes that go on to big things in sports focus on one main sport. Example-LeBron quitting football among many others. One reason being while everyone else is smacking the shit out of each other on the football field, you can be in the gym polishing your handles or fine-tuning your J. If you're looking to go play college basketball, playing football is a pretty big risk too. Not saying he was going anywhere for b'ball, but look at a cat like Adam Miller. Messed up his leg his senior year playing football, missed more than half the basketball season and was never the same.

In the words of Ricky Bobby-"That's just dumb."

QUIT FOOTBALL being the key part..................he played football. I said Exceptional athletes can concentrate on one sport, that is fine. Not 2nd team all area calibert players or people trying to get a schollie to Central Florida Tech A&M. If you go ask ANY college recruiter (Football, Basketball, Baseball) they will all tell you the same thing. They want athletes that played multiple sports in high school because it lets them know they know how to manage and organize their time. Bank on that!!!

I went to Heritage when they sucked. I didn't play any sports because they sucked at all of them (except swimming and soccer and those aren't my bag) and the coaches were all dicks. I could have played, but there was no way I was going to bust my butt for them. I had better things to do. I have regrets about that still, but they are actually regrets that I didn't go to a school with better coaches that I would have wanted to play for.

Arthur Hill and Saginaw High some some amazing athletes. If all their basketball players played football they wouldn't have had such down years. But their coaches don't get much love in football. Of course some of the D-1 basketball players won't play, but it's not just them that won't play football.

At my school, Festering Puss Filled Wound Hills, MI Barney Fife South, football wasn't nearly as important as the Ballet team. But, many of us DID focus on two aspects, and for me it was jazz along with ballet.

There are a few kids that might golf instead, but usually those kids are superior golfers and it only makes sense to do that

That's just ludicrous. WHO THE FUCK WOULD CHOOSE GOLF OVER FOOTBALL. I sure hope that person wouldn't have been 6'3" and 250+ in high school, cuz he would get made fun of A LOT.

My Dad is from Ohio. He went to high school with a guy who chose golf over football. The guy was a little pudgy, and had blonde hair. Sound familiar?
Yup, the guys name was Flubbie Thorch.
I bet you've never heard of him. That's because he absolutely sucked at golf. He should have chosen football, because he was 6'4 and weighed 245 lbs. But, he gave up football because he didn't want to "get hurt". Unfortunately, he was golfing in Florida one day and was eaten by an alligator that lived near the 16th hole of the course he lived near.

I played golf & tennis in high school.

It was way more fun to practice for those sports than football (I was lazy even back then, apparently).

Golf practice consisted of playing 18 holes at a private club, free of charge. Practice was held 3 times a week after school.

I never got made fun of at all.

So explain why that is a bad choice.

I wish I could go back and do it all again.

I agree with you Hip. I think anyone that was athletic or not retarded that didn't play football in h.s is an idiot. I know plenty of people that have chosen to play other sports and honestly they got made fun of for it and I"m a teacher now and there is a huge bias against kids that don't play football mainly, but some other sports. There are a few kids that might golf instead, but usually those kids are superior golfers and it only makes sense to do that. The thing I hate the most is when a kid only plays one sport in h.s and "specializes" in it. Hell, even J-Rich played football at Nouvel before concentrating on basketball. I know of a few people from my era and even now that don't play football and "conentrate" on a specific sport and only a SMALL handful played in college, but yet all were made fun of either to their face or behind their back MANY times.

But it would be great to bring back the days you speak of for sure.
Filly, you're ridiculous. I'll take this post personal since it sounds like you were talking about guys like myself, Moodini, Rau, Speer, Jickboy, etc.. You don't have to play college bball for it to be "worth it" to focus on your favorite sport. There are many other things that could have made it worth it. Let me see, when looking at the list above I see basketball players that as a group accomplished these things:

-Multiple TVC Championships
-Multiple teams not only ranked in the Top 10 in the State, but in the Top 5
-District Championships
-Saginaw Area Championships
-All State Honors
-All Conference Honors
-All Area Honors
-Area Scoring Champions

I think it was well worth it to "specialize." I can't speak for the others because they are all probably better athletes than I am. But I know that I couldn't have been a part of any of that above had I not "specialized." I needed to because I wasn't a good enough athlete to just waltz in and out of multiple sports and perform at a great level. So I asked myself this question, "Do you want to experience something special in one sport or be part of several average experiences in multiple sports?"

So did I hear football players make fun of me and others listed above? Of course. They'd call ya a pussy and question how tough you are. Didn't matter that several of us on the list above could show up 95% of the fball team in the weight room. They'd still make fun of you.

But we're the ones laughing now. Because as we look back, we have memories of games that brought in 2,000 fans, games in which we hung banners on the wall that will stay their forever, memories of individual honors that made our hard work worth it. Only a mental midget and pussy would let a little high school teasing/peer pressure make someone turn away from those things. But, you are right. We should have given all that up to avoid teasing and so that we could play on average football teams that won NOTHING.

You could have gone to Michigan, where the football team wins nothing and the basketball team hangs all kinds of NIT banners everywhere. Hell, Michigan has so many NIT banners, they're using them for toilet paper.

I would rather hang out with one sport basketball players that have done something with their lives than washed up beer guts that will NEVER experience anything better than the glory days of "that one time we went into overtime and Chunk had half his calf muscle hanging out from clete marks and we beat Freeland 26-20"

Morons.

Filly, I appologize if you read my post prior to me editing it. I was pretty pissed, I think you insulted many of us here and did so intentionally. However, idiot line was a little harsh. So I appologize for that.

I think it was a pretty stupid post by Filly as well. I honestly NEVER got made fun of seriously for not playing football. Of course you are gonna hear some shit, but it was usually in fun. I just don't agree with your statement that non-football players are losers/dorks.

I think it was a pretty stupid post by Filly as well. I honestly NEVER got made fun of seriously for not playing football. Of course you are gonna hear some shit, but it was usually in fun. I just don't agree with your statement that non-football players are losers/dorks.

Yo Jickboy, we're on the same side on something! Wooohoo! High five playa! haha

Filly=[smilie=ownagebox.g:

Ownage!

lol at this thread...

well I lettered in: 1 Soccer, 3 FB, 3BB, 3Baseball, 4Track

All the good athletes played more than one sport...the second usually being Track in my area. hell, I ran against Swag, Rogers, Baraka, Kolbe, Braylon ect...they all did more than one sport

Where I went to school they had Sumo Wrestling.
Shit, most of the chicks were pretty damn good.

Hey Zip, fat bitches need love ya know. Fat bitches serve as great slump busters and if you've got on some super strong beer goggles.

Filly:
I was in the Marines for four years.

Not only has this thread gotten whack and way off topic, but it's too long and it's the thread from last year. I'm not sure who put the sticky on it, but I'm moving any class of 08 stuff to that thread and getting this out of here.

I don't think you should do that.

Well, to satisfy a certain jick who may shout about the move, why not keep the two recruiting classes together?
It's not like I'm locking this thrilling discussion of whether or not athletes should play football. It will still live here, it just won't have a sticky. The old stale thread can be bumpeb everytime anyone wants to talk about some dude from across the state that decided not to play football because frankly they didn't care about the fat slobs running the program.

Meanwhile, the class of 2008 can stick together and actual recruiting discussion can join that forum.

Otherwise, there is absolutely no reason to keep them merged and the sticky here.

I like the move Jeth.

I think the stickied "MSU Basketball" and UM Basketball" threads could be purged too, if they each covered one season that would be a lot more manageable to read/search.

Just my opinion, but it's "your forum", lol.

MSU picked up their first commit today: Charlie Burrell LB/S from Detroit.

Well, to satisfy a certain jick who may shout about the move, why not keep the two recruiting classes together?
It's not like I'm locking this thrilling discussion of whether or not athletes should play football. It will still live here, it just won't have a sticky. The old stale thread can be bumpeb everytime anyone wants to talk about some dude from across the state that decided not to play football because frankly they didn't care about the fat slobs running the program.

Meanwhile, the class of 2008 can stick together and actual recruiting discussion can join that forum.

Otherwise, there is absolutely no reason to keep them merged and the sticky here.

MOD POWER JETHRO, MOD POWER!!!! LOL