Give him some PT and it will happen. A guy like that will get so frustrated with himself that eventually he'll do it.
Remember that you've only seen a little over 400 minutes of Gray's career. Meanwhile Petway has had the opportunity to show frustration that much times 4.
Given the PT, Gray will shop it - at least that's my prediction.

Cheap shots come from guys with bad character. I have observed Gray closely several times in HS and in college and although he might not be the sharpest tool, he's not an asshole.

I'm trying to be optimistic regarding last night's game vs Wisconsin - Green Bay.
They are a bad team that we should have handled easily but didn't. We were down 2 at the half (they came out hot from long range, we were cold from long range, we turned the ball over).
Normally that type of performance would worry me. However, a number of previous Michigan teams would have lost that game. This team took care of things (to a small degree) in the second half and beat the team they were supposed to beat. I'll take that. However, they obviously need to be better from here on out or they won't get very far.

I'm trying to be optimistic regarding last night's game vs Wisconsin - Green Bay.
They are a bad team that we should have handled easily but didn't. We were down 2 at the half (they came out hot from long range, we were cold from long range, we turned the ball over).
Normally that type of performance would worry me. However, a number of previous Michigan teams would have lost that game. This team took care of things (to a small degree) in the second half and beat the team they were supposed to beat. I'll take that. However, they obviously need to be better from here on out or they won't get very far.

I don't worry about close victories (muhme) early in the season and panic like the rest of the country. There are many close victories over weak opponents early in the year because teams are just establishing chemistry and some freshmen are adapting. A win is a win this time of year. It doesn't matter if it is a two point win over Chattenooga St., it's a win. North Carolina almost lost to Winthrop two nights ago.

BTW, there is your difference bet. a Spartan and a Wolverine. I believe Muhme was on the State thread with a giant LOL @ State after their close game. We're not ignorant.

You're comparing yourself with Muhme, not Spartan fan with Wolverine fan. I would hope you know better than to generalize using one, or even a handful to represent the entire fan base.

Keep in mind how many Wolverine fans did NOT post crap in that thread.

You're comparing yourself with Muhme, not Spartan fan with Wolverine fan. I would hope you know better than to generalize using one, or even a handful to represent the entire fan base.

Keep in mind how many Wolverine fans did NOT post crap in that thread.

If I start to see otherwise this year, I will change my generalization. However, there are fans here that wouldn't even give MSU credit for their Final Four year before last. So until I see change, I will lump the ignorant fans together.

Have fun with that. I'll lump you in with generalizers now.

Fuck Sparty?

Well, a win is a win and 7-0 is better than a kick in the face, but I'm still curious about this team. They were actually trailing in today's game with 17 minutes left - against Univ of Maryland - Baltimore County.

Some thoughts about the team to this point.

1 - Pleasantly surprised by Petway. He seems like he'll be a decent contributor this year.

2 - Dion Harris is still a very streaky shooter. When he's hitting shots, look out. When he's not, it seems like he's smart enough to look for a way to create for others.

3 - Courtney Sims has been good against short teams. I'm still curious to see how he'll play the first time someone over 6'8" is against him.

4 - So very surprised that DeShawn Sims is not a factor yet. His per minute stats don't suggest that he's playing all that poorly, but the minutes aren't there for him. Epke Udoh getting minutes is understandable, given his size and exhibition performance. K'Len Morris and Reed Baker getting minutes ahead of him? Head scratcher. Yeah, Reed is capable of hitting the outside shot and K'Len has looked decent, but how do you not play your top recruit? Amaker needs to develop the young players and these are the games that should be happening. I'm afraid the starters will be burnt out by the time the tough games come around and the bench won't have enough experience to help the way they should.

Stats per minute are one of the most misleading things in the game of bball and they drive coaches nuts! There is so much that we don't see in practice and they have so many responsibilities that we are unaware of on the defensive side of the ball. Sims might do okay in our eyes when he gets on the court, but if he isn't getting time he's not doing many things that Amaker needs him to do to win. We might just be unaware of his mistakes because we don't see him in practice and we do not know all of their defensive philosophies.

His brother was killed...he is still grieving, obviously tough for a person to concentrate on basketball...

I understand the part about his brother. If my brother were killed, it wouldn't be a matter of getting over it in a week or two. You don't get over your brother dying, ever. With that being said, I thought I read a quote in which Sims said he was going to get after it hard - like a tribute to his brother or something. I wonder if he's trying too hard and forcing some things.
I agree with Tre. It's kind of what I was trying to say, only he obviously expounded on it more. There's a bunch of things I could say about hopes I have for him, but at the end of the day I'm a fan and he lost his brother. I'll hopefully never be able to relate and I just hope he finds some peace.

I don't even know if this team deserves my attention but........OK, I've argued with Tre for a long time, but I'm going to concede on this one. Amaker can recruit with the best of them, but he is not a good basketball coach at all. He gets constantly out-coached every game. Tonight, Lowe switches to a zone and Amaker has no answer. His offensive philosophy is comical. It looks like a freelance at Center Courts. There's 3 minutes to go, and Michigan is down by 9. Dion is dribbling around aimlessly, he penetrates, kicks to the left where three guys are all on the left wing. No flow, no one knows where to go or what to do. Players do not improve, some get worse (Horton, Abram, etc.)

Consider tonight's loss to an NC State team who was playing with 5, count them, 5 scholarship players a bubble buster. Michigan will look back on this game in March as one that keeps them from the NCAA tournament. Pathetic.

DAMN YOU FAB FIVE! DAMN YOU STEVE FISHER! DAMN YOU ED MARTIN! [smilie=faeuste_bal:

Will it ever end?

Well now what am I supposed to watch this winter?

I could barely stomach the game and thankfully I had to record and could speed through the game.

Sims is still the worst big man with skills i have ever seen. He just has no skill. Petway looked like he was close to hitting someone and I can see a suspension in his future maybe even a dismissal from the team if he doesnt get his temper under control.

They go zone so we leave all our best 3-point shooters on the bench. I could coach this team better than Tommy does. How does such a bad coach get such good players.

Why didnt we trap them all game long especially after their top player and ballhandler left the game. We have enough players to do it.

Tommy is soft and thus Sims is soft. Petway still has no game other than dunking.

On a positive note Udoh looks like he has a lot of game.

I just seen on flow to the offense and at the end where was the feeling of being down by 10. It felt like they were up by 10 the way they worked the clock.

This is not a tournament team as of right now. I say screw the upperclassman and bring on the freshman and sophomores. They cannot play any worse than Harris, Coleman, Petway, Abraham and especially Courtney.

I don't even know if this team deserves my attention but........OK, I've argued with Tre for a long time, but I'm going to concede on this one. Amaker can recruit with the best of them, but he is not a good basketball coach at all. He gets constantly out-coached every game. Tonight, Lowe switches to a zone and Amaker has no answer. His offensive philosophy is comical. It looks like a freelance at Center Courts. There's 3 minutes to go, and Michigan is down by 9. Dion is dribbling around aimlessly, he penetrates, kicks to the left where three guys are all on the left wing. No flow, no one knows where to go or what to do. Players do not improve, some get worse (Horton, Abram, etc.)

Consider tonight's loss to an NC State team who was playing with 5, count them, 5 scholarship players a bubble buster. Michigan will look back on this game in March as one that keeps them from the NCAA tournament. Pathetic.

DAMN YOU FAB FIVE! DAMN YOU STEVE FISHER! DAMN YOU ED MARTIN! [smilie=faeuste_bal:

Will it ever end?

I made my statements the second Amaker was hired. I thought he was the wrong guy. When he was at Seton Hall he had all kinds of talent, but did nothing with it. The guy is not a coach, he's a recruiter. Michigan should have realized this a long time ago.

BTW, notice I didn't come here and laugh/rip UM.
cough Moodini cough

This is frustrating. Michigan could have such a solid season this year, and yet they continue to play down to the opponent. Against a 3-5 Miami (OH) team they are only up 5 with about 7 minutes to go.

They should be sitting here looking to go 10-0, but they pissed away a game they had won against an NC State team that apparently isn't that good. (Actually, I think NC State will be half decent at the end of the year, but that's a different argument).

This is a frustration I've had with Michigan for a long time. Even the Fab Five used to screw around with horrible teams and get a 12 point win when it should have been 35-40 points.

That's one area I will certainly give credit to other coaches such as Izzo. Granted I don't follow them as close, but memory serves me that early in the year they rarely lose to teams or struggle against teams that they should put away somewhat easily.

Don't get me entirely wrong. By the time I submit this post they look to now be up 9 with under 5 minutes left and they'll be 9-1. I would rather complain at 9-1 then at 6-4, but we play UCLA in a couple weeks and all signs point to an embarrassing loss on national TV, and that won't sit well with class of 08 studs we're trying to recruit, and it certainly won't sit well with me. Truth is, this team has enough talent that if they played to their fullest potnetial they could actually surprise UCLA for possibly their biggest win in a decade, but nobody really believes it will happen. I'll still probably make an OGT for it when the time comes though.

So Michigan hung on for a 6 point win. It could have been more decisive but Miami scored 10 points in the final 1:21 and Michigan missed 7 free throws during that stretch. Either way, not a team that's ready for UCLA. I'm even worried about this weekend's game against Delaware St., and that's never a good sign.

This game isn't a good sign for Michigan. Not only do they have #1 UCLA, but they also have Georgetown coming up in a couple of weeks. A win is a win, but they need to start playing better basketball.

Wow! Tommy Amaker a good recruiter? That's a new one on me!
He sure does have Romulus locked up.

Nice bounceback game against Delaware State. Yes, Delaware State is terrible and there is little to brag about when beating them. But Michigan won by 27 like they should have and that's a good thing. 9 different players got 10+ minutes each, and that's also a good thing. One more game before UCLA.

What a brilliant display of unbridled basketball glory by the boys in maize and blue out there today. Don't downplay the win Jethro, this was a trap game all the way but U of M didn't fall for it. Those Delaware State boys surprised a lot of people last week, hanging tough with a great Marquette team for thirty minutes and I'll be damned if I don't give the Michigan boys credit for stepping up and taking down the mighty Hornets.

The defense was once again smothering, holding the Hornets to 33% from the field and all the boys hit big shots when they mattered. What a beast this Udoh kid's going to be, can you believe he's only a freshman? WOW! What a player. Three blocks? Amazing.

The Wolverines just continue to leave me awestruck with each passing game. Who said these boys couldn't play? Who knew back in October that we'd be talking about this team like this? ANOTHER GREAT WIN FOR THE MAIZE AND BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a brilliant display of unbridled basketball glory by the boys in maize and blue out there today. Don't downplay the win Jethro, this was a trap game all the way but U of M didn't fall for it. Those Delaware State boys surprised a lot of people last week, hanging tough with a great Marquette team for thirty minutes and I'll be damned if I don't give the Michigan boys credit for stepping up and taking down the mighty Hornets.

The defense was once again smothering, holding the Hornets to 33% from the field and all the boys hit big shots when they mattered. What a beast this Udoh kid's going to be, can you believe he's only a freshman? WOW! What a player. Three blocks? Amazing.

The Wolverines just continue to leave me awestruck with each passing game. Who said these boys couldn't play? Who knew back in October that we'd be talking about this team like this? ANOTHER GREAT WIN FOR THE MAIZE AND BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please tell me this post was a joke. I really hope you were trying to be funny with your Walton statements. If it was meant to be funny, I gotta admit I laughed quite a bit.

If you are serious with this post, WOW. I will never be able to take one of your posts seriously again. Unbridled glory? Mighty Hornets? Defense smothering? Awestruck? Either way...I'm cracking up laughing!!!!!!!!

Is some playing a joke on me? I don't get it!!!!

I looked in my paper this morning and couldn't believe my eyes:
The Wolverines of the University of Michigan had defeated the Delaware State Hornets 70-43.
Man, is it time for us to get STOKED for Michigan Basketball or WHAT?!! I fully expected a tight game from DSU. They are one of the Powers of the East, having won some of their previous games. In fact, over the course of their long traditionally powerful basketball powerful, um, tradition, they have had some seasons.
But, all in all, I'd say Tommy Amaker has our Boys in Blue headed in the right direction. Yup, most of the guys had found their way out of the locker room by tip off. Now, with this HUGE HUGE HUGE win, I'd say Michigan Basketball has turned the corner. Watching UM basketball has finally made my list of "The Top 400,000 Things I Want To Do This Winter". That is, of course, after I accomplish my list of "The Top 295,000 Things I REALLY Want To Do This Winter", which comes after my list of "The Top 327,000 Things I NEED To Do This Winter".

I looked in my paper this morning and couldn't believe my eyes:
The Wolverines of the University of Michigan had defeated the Delaware State Hornets 70-43.
Man, is it time for us to get STOKED for Michigan Basketball or WHAT?!! I fully expected a tight game from DSU. They are one of the Powers of the East, having won some of their previous games. In fact, over the course of their long traditionally powerful basketball powerful, um, tradition, they have had some seasons.
But, all in all, I'd say Tommy Amaker has our Boys in Blue headed in the right direction. Yup, most of the guys had found their way out of the locker room by tip off. Now, with this HUGE HUGE HUGE win, I'd say Michigan Basketball has turned the corner. Watching UM basketball has finally made my list of "The Top 400,000 Things I Want To Do This Winter". That is, of course, after I accomplish my list of "The Top 295,000 Things I REALLY Want To Do This Winter", which comes after my list of "The Top 327,000 Things I NEED To Do This Winter".

I've had a permanent question mark displayed over top of my head since Zip started posting.

Can someone fill me in on whether we have the ignore feature here yet? And if so, can it please be enabled for mods to ignore as well?

Can someone fill me in on whether we have the ignore feature here yet? And if so, can it please be enabled for mods to ignore as well?

That seriously would be great. Could've used it with inqueertaste and now zip.

Typical Sparty.
Petty. Ignorant. Can't read anything that doesn't bubble over with praise for The Izzo.
Probably has a large collection of pocket protectors. Probably belongs to 55 forums and chatboards. Probably has a face full of acne, and a head full of grease. Flood pants. Hanky in his pocket for when he sneezes.
Probably has a cubicle in the basement office. Probably has a favorite stapler, the red one. Probably been working for a couple months without getting a paycheck. Yep. Dre Tre. Typical Sparty.

Um, guys, they have this neat feature for ignoring posts. It's called a set of eyes and a brain. You see the avatar on the left? It has the postes name just above it. If you see the name of someone you want to ignore, then look to the lower right of your keyboard, and there are these keys that have arrows on them.
Press on the one that points toward you, and it will "scroll" down until you see the name of someone you do like, someone whose posts you want to read.
In your case Dr Tre, that would probably only be all posts written by "Dr Tre".

Typical Sparty.
Petty. Ignorant. Can't read anything that doesn't bubble over with praise for The Izzo.
Probably has a large collection of pocket protectors. Probably belongs to 55 forums and chatboards. Probably has a face full of acne, and a head full of grease. Flood pants. Hanky in his pocket for when he sneezes.
Probably has a cubicle in the basement office. Probably has a favorite stapler, the red one. Probably been working for a couple months without getting a paycheck. Yep. Dre Tre. Typical Sparty.

You might want to add typical Wolverine to that because Jethro is a Wolverine and he was the one that wanted to put you on ignore retard. Did you happen to notice that Michigan and MSU fans think your ignorant and rip you in every thread?

In response to your geeky broke sparty working in the basement, teacher/bball coach/working on masters/living in new home Thank you.

Great. Congratulations on all your fantastic achievements. I wish you well in all you do!
People can rip me all they want. They just better be prepared to be ripped back. That's all I ask.
I post what I want and how I want. I'm not a stats geek, and don't pore through press guides and newspapers and don't subscribe to Rivals or Scout.
I see the Big Picture, and talk in those terms.
I'm a student as well. Career change in mid life, going to school to become a teacher.
I've never had so much fun in my life, and part of it was sheding my desire to stand up and fight for the dignity of my favorite sports teams, so I don't take it personal when someone writes something I disagree with. you should try that.

Great. Congratulations on all your fantastic achievements. I wish you well in all you do!
People can rip me all they want. They just better be prepared to be ripped back. That's all I ask.
I post what I want and how I want. I'm not a stats geek, and don't pore through press guides and newspapers and don't subscribe to Rivals or Scout.
I see the Big Picture, and talk in those terms.
I'm a student as well. Career change in mid life, going to school to become a teacher.
I've never had so much fun in my life, and part of it was sheding my desire to stand up and fight for the dignity of my favorite sports teams, so I don't take it personal when someone writes something I disagree with. you should try that.

I'm a mod in a forum of 98% Michigan fans, my entire WTF career is dealing with opinions that differ from mine. My best friends are here and we bash the hell out of each other. I don't take anything on WTF personal. I just come strong and people take that as me getting riled up. I spit fire with a smile on my face.

After some of the stuff we post on here, when Tre and I see each other in person we just laugh about some of these battles. Sometimes it gets pretty heated up, but the fact that we're firends is probably all the more reason. It's fun. That's what we're here for. Plus, before this board we would sit there watching Miami vs Florida State and getting pissed. Tre wanted to punch Mood in the nuts, and it wasn't too far behind for him wanting to punch me, but since Mood has known him longer I let Mood take the lead.

Dr Tre:
You are on a forum where "98%" of the people are Michigan fans?
Shouldn't that tell you something? Like, maybe you are spending your entire life waking up on the wrong side of the bed?
Oh ye, who spitteth fire with a smile on thy face, KNOW THIS:
The lines have been drawn in the sand.
I shall dominate this forum.
You will soon see me in your dreams.

Dr Tre:
You are on a forum where "98%" of the people are Michigan fans?
Shouldn't that tell you something? Like, maybe you are spending your entire life waking up on the wrong side of the bed?
Oh ye, who spitteth fire with a smile on thy face, KNOW THIS:
The lines have been drawn in the sand.
I shall dominate this forum.
You will soon see me in your dreams.

Damn are you one cocky retard.

You suggest that being with the majority would be the best? Why aren't you a ND/Yankee/Cowboy/Laker fan then? Or are you?

If so, then you're a joke. If not, you're a hypocrite.

detroitsportscity - check Area 51 please.

Dr Tre:
You are on a forum where "98%" of the people are Michigan fans?
Shouldn't that tell you something? Like, maybe you are spending your entire life waking up on the wrong side of the bed?
Oh ye, who spitteth fire with a smile on thy face, KNOW THIS:
The lines have been drawn in the sand.
I shall dominate this forum.
You will soon see me in your dreams.

Listen homeboy, 98% of your material so far could have been swatted to "The Stands" forum by Jethro or I without questioning. You gotta make a layup before claiming you're going to do a two handed 360.

You might want to take some advice from The Game.
"I don't f_ck with legends, that's just something I don't do." http://i2.tinypic.com/vghjef.jpg

Tre, you realize you didn't have to edit that, don't you? lol

Too many years at the mlive forums must make it difficult to shake some old habits.

detroitsportscity - check Area 51 please.

Done.

Tre, you realize you didn't have to edit that, don't you? lol

Too many years at the mlive forums must make it difficult to shake some old habits.

Definately an old habit, funny you said that, i was just there prior to that post.

Dr Tre:
So you are a "legend" on a chat board?
Congratulations. I'm sure your parents must be very proud.
Was that next to your picture in your high school yearbook when you were a senior?
I can see it now:
Most likely to become a scientist: Harold Noobertraff
Most likely to become President: Jerry Quompflinks
Most likely to win Nobel Prize: Susan Hoodlewitz
"Most likely to become a legend on a computer chat board: Dr Tre!"

Most likely to wear a helmet the rest of their life - Zip Goshboots

A MICHIGAN helmet??!!

A MICHIGAN helmet??!!

No, a retard helmet. You know the ones with a star on the side and a single bar.

http://www.parentingwithdignity.com/getmac/promote/bledsoe_dallas_cowboys_helmet.jpg ?

I already have a helmet. It's purple.

I just won 2 free tickets to the Michigan - Norther Illinois game on Saturday, but had to call back and give them up for someone else to win..........did anyone hear me on the radio........1050 out of AA?

I didn't. But I'm in Omaha, Nebraska.

http://www.parentingwithdignity.com/getmac/promote/bledsoe_dallas_cowboys_helmet.jpg ?

I noticed that after I posted it, but I meant the one like on 'That 70's Show' that Kelso has to wear sometimes. It's red with a purple star IIRC.

Eh. It's a win. Last game before traveling to top ranked UCLA in what begins a HUGE 10 day stretch for the University of Michigan in the Los Angeles area playing teams from that area.

Just watched some highlights from the Delaware St. game on The Wolverine. They won 70-43, but this team is going nowhere. They don't value the basketball, have the talent or the intensity to do anything special. I expect another NCAA bubble burst and 2 NIT wins. [smilie=fatality.gi:

Looks like Michigan put on a show yesterday against Northern Illinois. Courtney Sims scored 21 BIG points, and the Wolverines put the SMACKDOWN on Northern Illinois and their so called "Big Time" player, Garrett Wolf.
Yeah, this guy TORCHED Ohio State, but he didn't even show up in the box score for yesterday's game. Take THAT Buckeyes!
On the "dark side" of the State of Michigan, the Sparties BARELY escaped a terrible Chicago State team. Man, if the Spartans are having trouble with teams like that, what will they do when the Big 10 season starts?
Meanwhile, Michigan marches on! One impressive performance after another.
Tommy Amaker, you can hold your head up high, sir!

Looks like Michigan put on a show yesterday against Northern Illinois. Courtney Sims scored 21 BIG points, and the Wolverines put the SMACKDOWN on Northern Illinois and their so called "Big Time" player, Garrett Wolf.
Yeah, this guy TORCHED Ohio State, but he didn't even show up in the box score for yesterday's game. Take THAT Buckeyes!
On the "dark side" of the State of Michigan, the Sparties BARELY escaped a terrible Chicago State team. Man, if the Spartans are having trouble with teams like that, what will they do when the Big 10 season starts?
Meanwhile, Michigan marches on! One impressive performance after another.
Tommy Amaker, you can hold your head up high, sir!

LOL AAAAAAAAHAHAHA! Are you kidding me dude?! Okay, Michigan hasn't put on a show since the bought 5. If you are looking at MSU's score and making late season judgements on that, you don't have a clue what's going on with MSU's team.

BTW, this is the one year Michigan is supposed to get 2 victories against State. Disagree? Check every single preseason publication, I have.

One impressive victory after another? Define impressive please. Michigan hasn't played 1 decent team yet.

Tre.............what is the point it even responding to this idiot? He is seriously a retard and reading his posts make my eyeballs hurt. He hasn't posted one thing of relevance so far and he is like that kid in class that you just need to ignore and hope that he will go away eventually!

Tre.............what is the point it even responding to this idiot? He is seriously a retard and reading his posts make my eyeballs hurt. He hasn't posted one thing of relevance so far and he is like that kid in class that you just need to ignore and hope that he will go away eventually!

Good point.

I know he spelled it wrong, and he's a complete idiot, but once he started on about Garrett Wolfe I didn't take him all that seriously.

I don't bother with "publications" or "magazines" or "newspapers". I told you before, I'm not a "stats geek", or a nerd.
I go with my "gut instinct", which tells me that yes, yes, this IS the year Michigan thumps the Sparties. It's going to be a breakthrough year for young Amaker's troops. I'm thinking "Sweet Sixteen".

I know he spelled it wrong, and he's a complete idiot, but once he started on about Garrett Wolfe I didn't take him all that seriously.

Agreed. When you talk about somebody's RB in a basketball thread, you can't help but laugh.

I have no idea what I'm talking about. I should burn my hands off because I should never be allowed to post agian. I would be able to be less coherent and have worse arguments than Rob Parker and Drew Sharpe combined.

Burn my hands off? that's a bit harsh, man.
By the way, I can type with my feet.

Detroitshortsspitty:
I checked back a few posting pages, and DAMN if I can find that quote you posted that was allegedly made by me.
If you are going to put words into MY mouth, they had better be funny, tinged with cynicism, satirical, and extremely intelligent.
Remember:
you shall see me in your dreams.

I don't bother with "publications" or "magazines" or "newspapers". I told you before, I'm not a "stats geek", or a nerd.
I go with my "gut instinct", which tells me that yes, yes, this IS the year Michigan thumps the Sparties. It's going to be a breakthrough year for young Amaker's troops. I'm thinking "Sweet Sixteen".

I'm sorry Filly, I know we should ignore, but this dude is way too funny.

So...this is THE year huh? Interesting.

They better thump the Spartans, because this is the last chance they'll have over the next 5-6 years. I hope for your sake they do.

Sweet Sixteen? You do realize they haven't been to the tournament in a decade right? I have a sneaky suspicision that Zip doesn't watch a whole lot of basketball.

Dr Tre:
Don't be jealous of my talent.
I realize everything you said. Do you think I live on Mars or something? Now, apparently you can get a drink of water on Mars, but you can't get basketball on TV there.
Besides, you are right about one thing: I don't watch a whole lot of basketball.
In fact, I don't watch ANY basketball. A bunch of ferries running around with guys who tweet whistles if they breathe on each other. Wow. Makes me want to cream my shorts.

Dr Tre:
Don't be jealous of my talent.
I realize everything you said. Do you think I live on Mars or something? Now, apparently you can get a drink of water on Mars, but you can't get basketball on TV there.
Besides, you are right about one thing: I don't watch a whole lot of basketball.
In fact, I don't watch ANY basketball. A bunch of ferries running around with guys who tweet whistles if they breathe on each other. Wow. Makes me want to cream my shorts.

If Zip had an ounce of credibility left at all, it just vanished.

I don't know why you think I've lost my "cred" here.
I DARE you to prove that you can't get basketball on TV on the planet Mars.

Holy shit Batman! Tommy A. and the Ho-Ho Eaters take on a team with a pulse tomorrow in Westwood. This dude that has an RPI web site (in the Freep or News today) has U-Mum ranked 94th so far. 4-5 teams from the Big 10 are rated in the top 40. All this means is TA needs to resuscitate these cadver munchers into going 8-8 in the Big 10 and they MIGHT get a sniff for the dance. Meanwhile take your flogging to UCLA and G'Town like men and regroup against Cadbury State before the Big 10 is upon us.

Cadbury State IS a tough team, Hipster.
They have all purchased brand new wheelchairs just for this game, and from all reports that I've seen, this is the #1 Women's Blind Wheelchair Basketball team in the Northern Alaska King Crab Conference. Head coach Gertie Pubflarcks had this to say: "Hey, we're ready. This is our "Super Bowl". It's achance to showcase our talents, and maybe snag a few new recruits. I'm really thankful that Tommy Amaker accepted the challenge to play us at home, which gives us a better chance. He's pretty brave. Not many teams come up to our neck of the woods in December to play basketball. In fact, not many people come up here for any reason."

Well, the Big Blue came through today. In typical Michigan fashion, they put the beatdown on yet another team.
This time, the UCLA Bruins, one of the mightiest names in college basketball lore, felt the Wrath of the Wolverine.
In a game not nearly as close as the final score would indicate, UCLA beat our beloved Big Blue, 92-55. The only thing we can say is that the Bruins fists must be hurting at this point from having the Wolverines run into them so much. Yes, the Wolverines battered, bruised, and bloodied the beleagured Bruins by ramming their faces into the knuckels of the Sons of Westwood time and time again.
Our vaunted Woverines must now ask themselves this great philosophical question: "Shall we stop hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer so it feels better when we stop?"
OH MY! This hardy bunch of Wolverines must be congratulated, for in the face of such a merciless beating, they, at the very least, did not give up without a fight. That's right: ALL of our wonderful Boys in Blue were seen running at FULL SPEED for the team bus after the game.
Now we ask you: Did that not make you proud? Do they not possess a stamina, to run, screaming and crying to catch the team bus after being pounded into submission by UCLA?
Oh, let this team find its place in history. Call out the Gods of Basketball, the Heroes of the Hardwood, and Hail, Hail to Michigan!
This bunch of Wolverines, they will surely make us proud, they will surely carry the banner of the Great State of Michigan all the way to being hailed as one of the best 398 teams in college basketball in the year of our lord, 2006 (or is it 2007?).

I know this has been posted my many knee-jerk fans around Michigan message boards, but.......last straw.....it's time for Tommy Amaker to go. It's been said around here many times. A freelance offense with no structure or flow, no basic coaching adjustments, sloppy turnovers, players regressing, and bottom line.....0 NCAA tournament berths.

It's time for a change.

http://www.umich.edu/~bhl/bhl/olymp2/olyimg/tomjanov.jpg
IMO, it should be Rudy T.

I know this has been posted my many knee-jerk fans around Michigan message boards, but.......last straw.....it's time for Tommy Amaker to go. It's been said around here many times. A freelance offense with no structure or flow, no basic coaching adjustments, sloppy turnovers, players regressing, and bottom line.....0 NCAA tournament berths.

It's time for a change.

http://www.umich.edu/~bhl/bhl/olymp2/olyimg/tomjanov.jpg
IMO, it should be Rudy T.

I agree. Rudy T would not allow Michigan to beat throttled by 40. It would probably be more like 20-25.

I have watched about 2 quarters worth of U of M basketball this year because I can't stand the offense Tommy runs either. I'll watch MSU bball 10 times out of 10 over U of M because I like the way they play (not because they are better).

TA has taken over a stench filled pond and the water is getting clear again. The guy represents the school well and has his players best interest at heart. I thought he's handled a couple of rough situations classily. Horton for one. That said, the guy can't coach a lick and is about as inspirational as Fred Rogers, dead or alive. Let the search begin. I don't buy into the "bad facility" bullshit in terms of luring them in. It's the fucking U of M man.They have a history (just listen to the football factory gasbags) and at one time it was a proud one. How about a guy like the Gonzaga dude, Mark Few. Tell you another guy who better be on Martin's speed dial. Mike Montgomery. Look what he did for Stanford. He'd be a nice fit in A2.

TA has taken over a stench filled pond and the water is getting clear again. The guy represents the school well and has his players best interest at heart. I thought he's handled a couple of rough situations classily. Horton for one. That said, the guy can't coach a lick and is about as inspirational as Fred Rogers, dead or alive. Let the search begin. I don't buy into the "bad facility" bullshit in terms of luring them in. It's the fucking U of M man.They have a history (just listen to the football factory gasbags) and at one time it was a proud one. How about a guy like the Gonzaga dude, Mark Few. Tell you another guy who better be on Martin's speed dial. Mike Montgomery. Look what he did for Stanford. He'd be a nice fit in A2.

Few would laugh his ass off. He's making big bucks with no pressure for a good team. Gonzaga is 200x the job UM is right now. He is perenially top 25.

Same with Crean, Montgomery, etc.

Why would a coach go from some other school that is big time and giving them big time money for UM - where they don't pay and aren't good yet.

You're next coach needs to either have UM ties, or be a small timer. Or you need new facilities, new attitude(no more football god, bball who cares), and be willing to sack up $ wise.

If you want to get better try to get the coach from Wichita St., Bradley, or some other MVC team.

Few would laugh his ass off. He's making big bucks with no pressure for a good team. Gonzaga is 200x the job UM is right now. He is perenially top 25.

Same with Crean, Montgomery, etc.

Why would a coach go from some other school that is big time and giving them big time money for UM - where they don't pay and aren't good yet.

You're next coach needs to either have UM ties, or be a small timer. Or you need new facilities, new attitude(no more football god, bball who cares), and be willing to sack up $ wise.

If you want to get better try to get the coach from Wichita St., Bradley, or some other MVC team.


Right on all counts. I left out the biggest thing. They need to open the checkbook.

Filly has been hearing some "minor" rumors that Brian Gregory has been mentioned as a possible replacement for Tommy Amaker. It is just talk at this point and is unclear whether he would make such a move...........just a little bit of info for ya boys!!!

Filly has been hearing some "minor" rumors that Brian Gregory has been mentioned as a possible replacement for Tommy Amaker. It is just talk at this point and is unclear whether he would make such a move...........just a little bit of info for ya boys!!!

A former MSU assistant will NOT coach at Michigan. Izzo has great ties with all of his former assistants and they would not want to compete against Izzo at a rival school. There are plenty of jobs out there, they aren't going to go to Michigan. Not going to happen.

It's different at State. The assistants and Izzo are extremely tight and he is very tight with many former assistants that are now elsewhere. Izzo often calls them to inform them of recruits that MSU has come across.

U-M is a 1.5 favorite today against Georgetown as of 10:00 a.m. What am I missing here?

U-M is a 1.5 favorite today against Georgetown as of 10:00 a.m. What am I missing here?

Bet your money fast. That line is BAD. Should be GTown by 15.

detroitpsortscity:
One of the lines form your post caught my attention: "When they don't pay and aren't good yet"
What, exactly, was MSU paying, and how good were they when The Izzo took over?
Good pay comes to the coach who wins, and he, um, makes the team good. Tha'ts why they need him, cuz they suck.
If Michigan was good, they wouldn't need a new coach.
It's quite the conundrum.

detroitpsortscity:
One of the lines form your post caught my attention: "When they don't pay and aren't good yet"
What, exactly, was MSU paying, and how good were they when The Izzo took over?
Good pay comes to the coach who wins, and he, um, makes the team good. Tha'ts why they need him, cuz they suck.
If Michigan was good, they wouldn't need a new coach.
It's quite the conundrum.

He's talking about paying for better facilities and opening the wallet for a great coach. Michigan's facilities are horrible. Take a look at the Breslin and their facilities in the building for training. 2nd to none.

I'm wondering why everyone thinks UM should be good in basketball anyway. What do they need basketball for?
This isn't Duke or Norf Carolina. If you are a good football school, I bet 7 out of 10 fans recognize that and know your school a whole lot better than if you are a basketball school. If you are a basketball school, I'd guess that about 4 of 10 sports fans would give you "the love".
Football is king everywhere, period. UM doesn't need basketball, and personally, I couldn't care less if they gave the sport up. I sure don;t want to see another Ed Martin come along. I'd rather see them have 12 Poindexters on the team, guys who graduate and don;t want 30,000 dollars to play at your school.

detroitpsortscity:
One of the lines form your post caught my attention: "When they don't pay and aren't good yet"
What, exactly, was MSU paying, and how good were they when The Izzo took over?
Good pay comes to the coach who wins, and he, um, makes the team good. Tha'ts why they need him, cuz they suck.
If Michigan was good, they wouldn't need a new coach.
It's quite the conundrum.

Bringing in a good(as in proven) coach requires high pay and/or a good team.

Izzo was an MSU assistant, not some proven outsider. That's why he wasn't payed a ton.

You could probably get UM assistants(or to a lesser extent other assistant) for pretty cheap. But do you want them?

And MSU wasn't 'that' bad before Izzo took over, Jud retired with a team that was average/below average, not the disaster known as UM.

Well, I'm going to disagree with the fact that UM needs a proven coach. Probably the way to go is to bring someone up from the ranks of the mid majors, or an assistant from some other program that is a winner.
As for facilities, I don't know where you go with that one. Money isn't an issue with UM.
Do they slap up a new arena to attract attention, or do they wait unitl the program is back on sound footing?
I would say that if they are serious about basketball, then they need new facilities, and the sooner the better. Something to give the program a shot in the arm overall.

Well, I'm going to disagree with the fact that UM needs a proven coach. Probably the way to go is to bring someone up from the ranks of the mid majors, or an assistant from some other program that is a winner.
As for facilities, I don't know where you go with that one. Money isn't an issue with UM.
Do they slap up a new arena to attract attention, or do they wait unitl the program is back on sound footing?
I would say that if they are serious about basketball, then they need new facilities, and the sooner the better. Something to give the program a shot in the arm overall.

I've said that UM needs a coach from the MVC many times. But if they want a proven coach, they'll have to sack up, which is what I was saying.

And Money is an issue for UM BBall, their facilities are barely above Minnesota's, and Minny is getting new digs. UM has NO practice facility, and also won't buck up on coaching. UM BBall - Money is a problem, a big one.

Well, I see your point, so the problem is probably that UM isn't at all serious about basketball.
As for the proven coach, no way. Not without new digs, as you've said. Even an MVC guy would have to look at them and say, "Holy shit, this arena is a fucking casket".
I wonder: Are they gun shy now because of Ed Martin?
OR: Now that Bo has passed away, do they feel they can explore basketball as a viable spot again?
Wasn't Bo on record as saying something to the effect that he'd "rather have my wisdom teeth pulled than think about basketball"?

watched the game today-yuck

watched the game today-yuck

Didn't watch the game today-yum

Why waste the time and get pissed off when you can play Gears of War online?

Tommy and the boys put a big hurting on 12-3 Illinois......Woo-hoo. This team is definitely going to the tournament and will be in the sweet 16...........man I can't believe how good we are..............

Michigan did win and I love cornbread, but I'm only joking. As a Michigan man I firmly believe Tommy still needs to go before we get in the next class. I wish it was on TV though, why is the same crap on channel 9, 10 and 12........can't someone put on a college basketball game.

Michigan 71 - Illinois 61.

This isn't the Illinois team of recent past, but they were still 12-3 coming into the game with 2 of the 3 losses coming to ranked teams and the other loss being at Xavier.

Illinois reminds me of Michigan actually in that both teams have beaten the bad opponents but not the fair/good opponents. While 12-3 is good percentage-wise, neither team had proved they could win against a quality opponent.

Based on that, better to be on the winning side in the head-to-head, but I don't think this proves as much about Michigan as some will want to claim. They need to at least win 3 of the next 4 heading into the Wisconsin game, which is their next chance to show the nation something, hopefully anything, if they want to be a tourney team.

Wow, I had no clue Michigan even played tonight. I got way too pissed off after the UCLA and Georgetown debacles. I'm not getting excited about this crap at all.

Maybe TA sitting those stiffs pays off? He goes with 4 seniors and a junior tonight and they played well after a sluggish start. Man your seniors are who can carry you. You have 4-5 on that team. Nice turnaround after the double melt. Props.

Wow, I had no clue Michigan even played tonight. I got way too pissed off after the UCLA and Georgetown debacles. I'm not getting excited about this crap at all.

Dude, I totally understand being pissed off. Been there, but I still tune in to my teams game to root for em. You didn't even know they played their Big Ten opener?

This was a good and honestly very surprising win to me. I don't know if it says UM is going to start playing better or if Illinois isn't very good.

Dude, I totally understand being pissed off. Been there, but I still tune in to my teams game to root for em. You didn't even know they played their Big Ten opener?

This was a good and honestly very surprising win to me. I don't know if it says UM is going to start playing better or if Illinois isn't very good.

I watched parts of the UCLA and Georgetown games and it was painful to watch and had a miserable time. So I decided to tune out and turn on the Wii and had a blast. If you don't really pay attention it doesn't piss you off that much.

And about your assessment on U-M and Illinois, I think it's the latter. This Illini team is a far cry from the teams they've had the last couple of years.

Solid victory at Northwestern. Yeah, it's Northwestern, but it's also a road win - something this team sorely needs. We'll see if they can follow it up with another road win next week at Purdue.

Udoh is a fucking stud...

need to grind out 7 more wins is my guess. i have a feeling this thing is going down to the wire.

Shocked the U-M is 2-0 in the Big Ten, but I don't think beating Illinois and NW is anything special. I really do love Udoh and D. Sims is starting to come on. We'll see how they do against the big boys. I'm still not liking our chances.

The important thing about these last two games is that they needed them badly. I hope I'm wrong, but I think this squad could possibly lose 9 of their last 11 games. 7-9 in the conference isn't going to get it done. They will need to upset some teams and win some tough road games if they're going to dance.

Therefore, avoiding upsetting losses like Northwestern is huge right now. With as much work as they have left to do, they absolutely cannot lose to teams they're expected to beat. It will kill them.

I gotta' give it up. Last years choke artists may just have found a way to lose that game. Udoh is the nutz and props to TA for finding him in that Oklahoma slag heap. Reed Baker is $$$ from threeville. They stepped up at crunch time and deserve credit.

I gotta' give it up. Last years choke artists may just have found a way to lose that game. Udoh is the nutz and props to TA for finding him in that Oklahoma slag heap. Reed Baker is $$$ from threeville. They stepped up at crunch time and deserve credit.

While im optimistic, It was Northwestern...

I have to formally apologize to Reed Baker. When he committed I ripped him and the school big time. His best scholarship offers at that point, I believe, weren't D-1 and there was so little to say about him that a peanut alergy took up a decent chuck of the article.

Now, I would gladly have him as the ONLY Wolverine to shoot 3's. This team shoots too damn many and has depending on them unsuccessfully for too long now. When Dugan Fife is calling you out on the air during a game for being too much of a perimeter team, you have issues. The only thing worse would be a tandem of Louis Bullock and Robby Reid saying they shoot too many from long range.

Robbie Reid?

Thanks for that, I think I might barf.

I always like Sweet Lou, though, even though he took $.

Udoh is a fucking stud...

He's a nice freshman.

A fucking stud? No.

That said, I'd still trade Naymick, Suton and Ibok for him...but it wouldn't exactly take a stud in order for me to pull that trigger;)

He's a nice freshman.

A fucking stud? No.

That said, I'd still trade Naymick, Suton and Ibok for him...but it wouldn't exactly take a stud in order for me to pull that trigger;)
Jack, I probably should have said that Udoh WILL BE a stud. I really like his game. Man the guy is long and unless I'm missing something it sure seems like he has been U-M's most solid contributor in all phases along the front line. Dude is L O N G!!!

So Jethro and I checked the boxscore after the game yesterday and it didn't have Lester or Punk Petway listed. Did they play? Did they do nothing?

I know petway had a foul. I watched him sulk to the bench while I was looking for the pistons game.

I hate to say it, but I give Michigan less than a %1 chance of making the NCAA tourney. They'd have to be in the big ten final to make it IMO. Their schedule is brutal the rest of the way (2 games with MSU, 2 with OSU, Wisc, at Ill, etc). They're only going to get 4 more wins, maybe 5...unless they can knock off OSU or Wisc. If they don't beat OSU or Wisc, and can't beat either in the big ten tourney either, who have they beat?

Heard Muhme last night sticking up for the M-bball program against Caputo. 4 hours of Caputo has to be tough. Dude came on the air before my 3 hour class and was still talking when I got out.

Heard Muhme last night sticking up for the M-bball program against Caputo. 4 hours of Caputo has to be tough.

I don't know how you can stick up for a program that has given you nothing for a decade. Until they produce, they deserve the criticism they get. They also deserve the pesimistic outlook from the fans. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I think fool me 10 years straight might apply here.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.


This guy doesn't know what the heck he's talking about, *shrug* *smirk*.
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2006/11/gbush_175x125.jpg

Lol @ Glenn.

"fool me twice...uh...don't fool me again."

I agree with Chris and Tre. This team is going nowhere.

Sorry, just not ready to give up on this team yet.

While I can't blame the doubters (recent history is intact until they prove otherwise), I'm still willing to consider that their 4 losses have come against teams in the ACC, Big East, Big Ten and Pac 10 and have a combined record of 52-22. I think their RPI is up to 38 now and while their schedule is one night away from hitting a brutal stretch, if they can manage to win a couple of the games they're underdogs in, voters somewhere are bound to show some respect.
Bad news = since Feb 29 (leap year) 2004 they have a total of 1 win against Big Ten teams in red and white. Ohio State, Indiana and Wisconsin have dominated the recent matchups. However, that one win came against Wisconsin last season, a victory over a team based heavily on players leading the Badgers this season. Dion Harris and Courtney Sims were the Wolverines leading scorers in that game. (ok, so I'm just trying to get myself encouraged for tomorrow night's game)

I think Michigan gets smoked tonight.

That being said, I agree with Jethro that the Wolverines aren't a lost cause yet this year. I still see the Junior and Senior heavy line-up paying dividends before season's end. I believe that OSU, Wisky, Indiana, Michigan, MSU, and Illinois will all make the dance from the Big 11, with Purdue waiting in the wings if Michigan, MSU, or Illinois stumble down the stretch.

Sorry, just not ready to give up on this team yet.

While I can't blame the doubters (recent history is intact until they prove otherwise), I'm still willing to consider that their 4 losses have come against teams in the ACC, Big East, Big Ten and Pac 10 and have a combined record of 52-22. I think their RPI is up to 38 now and while their schedule is one night away from hitting a brutal stretch, if they can manage to win a couple of the games they're underdogs in, voters somewhere are bound to show some respect.
Bad news = since Feb 29 (leap year) 2004 they have a total of 1 win against Big Ten teams in red and white. Ohio State, Indiana and Wisconsin have dominated the recent matchups. However, that one win came against Wisconsin last season, a victory over a team based heavily on players leading the Badgers this season. Dion Harris and Courtney Sims were the Wolverines leading scorers in that game. (ok, so I'm just trying to get myself encouraged for tomorrow night's game)

I wouldn't give up at all. If you've given up before your team has crashed, than you just aren't that much of a fan. You have to stand by your team in bad times and when they finally turn it around, it is that much more rewarding. That is what being a fan is all about.

But, I wouldn't try to convince myself that this team is good and that their losses aren't that bad as Jethro has. Support them, but don't get lost like I have so many times as a fan and start being it will happen. Be a realist and just hope for the unthinkable.

Wisky by 10 tonight.

They aren't a lost cause, but IMO they have to come up with 2 decent wins to make it. Those have to come in these games:

at Wisc
at Indi
at OSU
at MSU
vs Indi
at Ill
vs MSU
vs OSU

if they win 2 of those games and the rest of their other games...they have a legit shot. You could also substitute a big ten tourney win in the second round for one of these wins.

Without them they haven't really beat anybody.

Be a realist and just hope for the unthinkable.

Isn't that an impossible oxymoron?

If it's "unthinkable", how will I know what to hope for?
In all honesty, if I had a choice, I'd take winning the $200 million dollar lottery over Michigan ever winning another game in any sport.

That is the most gutless team I can recall. They laid down like the dogs that they are in Cheeseville last night. TA needs to get gone. If Meeeechigan gave 2 dead flies about hoops they'd show him the door. My pick to take over? Seth Greenberg, Va. Tech. He's one of the ten best coaches in the country. He's beaten UNC and Duke this season already. He was at Florida_________ before? He is used to making chicken salad from chicken shit and if the morons at U-M cut him a check I'd shit myself. They'd break out of the slumber pronto.

Seth Greenberg is someone I can't believe doesn't have a big time program already.
As weird as this may seem, was Amaker just brought in to transition from the Fab Five scandal for a couple years? Was UM told to not go "High Profile" for awhile in exchange for avoiding stiffer NCAA sanctions?
I gotta believe the University was so worried about its reputation that Amaker was handcuffed by alot of shit beyond his control. That, and he's just not a very good coach.

I called it the second Amaker was hired. I said Amaker was a horrible coach, just a recruiter while all my Michigan buddies got all slappy about a "Duke" guy coming in.

I hope Amaker stays as long as possible in AA.

I feel terrible that our kids lost, but the good news is that when you lose to Iowa at home after you DOMINATED them in the first half Tommy Amaker has to be gone. There are no two ways about it. I don't care if we win the Big Ten Tourney and go to a Final Four........Amaker will be unemployed if Bill Martin has any viable brain cells left in his head!!!

BTW, DeShawn Sims getting 1 minute............freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel terrible that our kids lost, but the good news is that when you lose to Iowa at home after you DOMINATED them in the first half Tommy Amaker has to be gone. There are no two ways about it. I don't care if we win the Big Ten Tourney and go to a Final Four........Amaker will be unemployed if Bill Martin has any viable brain cells left in his head!!!

BTW, DeShawn Sims getting 1 minute............freaking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How does Sims get 1 minute on that team? It's not like UM is loaded with interior players. Why the fuck did Sims go to Michigan? I know he was a long time fan and all that, but damn dude...this is your future we are talking about.

Woulda looked awfully good in green and white, I guarantee Izzo would have got him more than a minute.

Basically he is still mind-fucked from his brother dying. I heard someone say the other day that he still hasn't gotten over it and it doesn't look like D will be getting over it anytime soon............but 1 minute..........if you wanna help him get over it then throw his ass in the game where he can let go and have fun.

God it sucks being a Michigan fan right now. I'm really spent. All the bad stuff going on with recruiting, the football team lays an egg in every big game and continues to run a prehistoric offense, and the basketball team isn't even worth spending a second of my time thinking about. I'm not jumping ship, but it is damn tough to be a Wolverine right now.

Basically he is still mind-fucked from his brother dying. I heard someone say the other day that he still hasn't gotten over it and it doesn't look like D will be getting over it anytime soon............but 1 minute..........if you wanna help him get over it then throw his ass in the game where he can let go and have fun.

I can't imagine what I would be like if I lost a family member. I know I would be seriously jacked up for awhile. But, you are right. Put the kid in and basketball will help him through it. At least get his mind off it for awhile. It's not like you have anything to lose, Michigan isn't atop the Big Ten. Maybe a AA Freshman will provide a spark.

This one will get ugly tonight. Shocker. If OSU has the "threeball" tonight they'll win by 25. I'm actually feeling sorry for these guys. Four fucking seniors and a junior and they put this shit out there. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. Harris says in the News today they aren't tough. Somebody get ESPN on the blower.

hipdigit:
you fucker! Where are you getting all those alpacas? Son of a bitch! What the hell is an alpaca anyway?

hipdigit:
you fucker! Where are you getting all those alpacas? Son of a bitch! What the hell is an alpaca anyway?
YOU should have 500. Go to Sportsbook and wager them. I can never catch them when they post an item to bet on and I spaced on the Soupee Bowl. I had enough REAL Alpacas so it wasn't a priority if you know what I mean?

Decent job by A2 tonight. They didn't throw the fucking ball around like it had Herpes Simplex 2 all over it and they hung in the game down to the last 5 minutes. Too much Oden as MSU found out twice in ten days or so.

hipdigit:
you fucker! Where are you getting all those alpacas? Son of a bitch! What the hell is an alpaca anyway?
You gotz more posts than you do Alpacas!!!! WTF???

I thought "alpacas" were rewarded for making intelligent or relevant, or just plain cool posts.
That's why I figured I'm still stuck at 500.
I'm gonna start betting, but as you know, unless Michigan plays Nebraska in a bowl game, I'll probably lose.

I thought "alpacas" were rewarded for making intelligent or relevant, or just plain cool posts.
That's why I figured I'm still stuck at 500.
I'm gonna start betting, but as you know, unless Michigan plays Nebraska in a bowl game, I'll probably lose.

LOL! Awesome.

Just what A2 needs to get untracked. A corpse wanders into Crisler. U-M 71-Minny 51. Udoh will play well again in his 2nd consecutive start and Courtney puts her tennins racquet down and acts like he's 6'-11". This one is a lock.

hipdigit:
you fucker! Where are you getting all those alpacas? Son of a bitch! What the hell is an alpaca anyway?
Zip go to "Sportsbook" and click on it. Up will pop some "wagering options". Click on U-M-Minny ha-ha tonight. Click in the U-M box and type in 500 (U-M has to win by 12) and settle back and watch the Alpacas roll in. Of course if they don't win by more than 12 you have to post 500 times tomorrow. Check it out.

OK, I just bet my entire life savings on Michigan. You better be right, cuz if my wife comes home from jail tomorrow and I don't have any alpacas, you're gonna have a new room mate.
BTW: Are you challenging me to post 500 times tomorrow if UM loses?

OK, I just bet my entire life savings on Michigan. You better be right, cuz if my wife comes home from jail tomorrow and I don't have any alpacas, you're gonna have a new room mate.
BTW: Are you challenging me to post 500 times tomorrow if UM loses?
Are you nutz? I know better than that. Besides then I'd want to add to them and that would keep me from Mass.

Posting 500 times in one day has been done before, but it was at the placenta site. The lads name was bigdt. He's here too, though I'm not sure where to find him since I stay in the NCAA forum most of the time when I'm around these days.
However, if ever there has been a poster meant to take down bigdt records it was the Goshboots Project.

2 point win and Minnesota had a chance late. Strong 2nd half performance and a win is a win, but come on. You can't need to come from down 9 at the half at home against Minnesota.

Either way, they broke a 4 game losing streak and it could have easily been 5. I'll take it and move on.
Nice game from Harris.
The freshmen were a mess tonight. Sims and Udoh combined to go 0-5 with 3 boards and 3 fouls in 17 minutes. They need to play better than that for sure. Udoh needs a good game against State - that's one area they need to take advantage of in that game if they'll have any chance on the road.

Zip go to "Sportsbook" and click on it. Up will pop some "wagering options". Click on U-M-Minny ha-ha tonight. Click in the U-M box and type in 500 (U-M has to win by 12) and settle back and watch the Alpacas roll in. Of course if they don't win by more than 12 you have to post 500 times tomorrow. Check it out.

I'll take ANYBODY +12 against this team.

And I did.

I'll take ANYBODY +12 against this team.

And I did.
Good point!! Lost my head and Zip's 500 Alpaca's. I'll make it up to you Zip!!!

I was at the game today. Big win, but possibly too little too late. Besides, I don't give UM credit for the victory. It was a sloppy game with terrible officiating (but consistantly bad both ways for the most part). Neither team really wanted it much. Keeping DJ White on the bench was big.

Sad in the nosebleeds with a bunch of IU fans. Some good and funny conversations. They kept asking questions like "Why is Amaker still coaching?", "Why is this place so quiet?", "Why do they keep taking Udoh out and puting Sims in?", etc.

I had a decent time. Crisler got fairly loud with about 3 minutes left to play when the team actually showed a bit of heart (though J Smith still tried to throw the game away). Knocking IU out of the rankings still feels nice.

I hate to admit it, but I watched much of the UM-Indian a game, and I may not be able to forget that horrible sight.
I woke up at least four times last night, in a cold sweat, screaming, and when I fell back to sleep I kept having recurring dreams about finding and killing any and all remaining strands of the James Naismith family that might still be around.
That was simply two very bad teams playing each other, with two very bad coaches, and in a very bad basketball venue. And THOSE were the highlights of the experience.
I have watched the detereioration of UM football under Lloyd Carr, and all I can say is I'm glad I stopped paying attention to UM basketball when the Jive Five left.

What a stupid pointless win. We're still not getting in and Amaker may have saved his job in (Tommy slappy) Bill Martin's eyes. True Blue fans are rooting for L's now.

O Dear Gawd.
Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who is satisfied in any way with either UM football or basketball at this point is either
A)Completely Fucking Insane or
B)A fan of any other Big 11 team
Whoever said Tommy Amateur can recruit might want to re examine that statement as well.
Who the FUCK EVER put a basketball in Jarrett Smiths's hands? Who the FUCK EVER told Courtney Sims and Bret Petway to even consider playing basketball?
Fortunately, there was an old rerun of The Man From U.N.C.L.E. on channel 244, so I was able to watch something worthwhile as UM began, and continued, to shit their pants.
The Man From U.N.C.L.E is vastly under rated as a "Sixties Shmaltz-fest Cheeseball" show.
It features a RIPPING jam as its theme music: Steady, sexy beat, has a "jazz flute" for the spy angle, and BONGOS!
I'd put that theme music in as one of my all time Top 10 TV show themes.

Michigan's leading scorer had 9. 'nuff said.

Michigan's season is done.

Dr Tre:
Michigan is done. It goes well beyond this season.

NIT baby!!

Let's do it again!!

oh come on. big, BIG win today, right? we got a must win at home vs msu, a loss v. osu, then we just need to make some noise in the tourney. we SHOULD win the first game. what we need is love from msu. a loss tonight, and then another from us, and we would take the coveted 6 seed. that would give us a scrub in round 1 and indiana in round 2 (rather than osu or waukee). i gotta say we have atleast a 6 to 7% chance of dancing. not time to jump off the wagon just yet.

oh come on. big, BIG win today, right? we got a must win at home vs msu, a loss v. osu, then we just need to make some noise in the tourney. we SHOULD win the first game. what we need is love from msu. a loss tonight, and then another from us, and we would take the coveted 6 seed. that would give us a scrub in round 1 and indiana in round 2 (rather than osu or waukee). i gotta say we have atleast a 6 to 7% chance of dancing. not time to jump off the wagon just yet.

b, don't waste your time or brain space on Michigan basketball.

oh come on. big, BIG win today, right? we got a must win at home vs msu, a loss v. osu, then we just need to make some noise in the tourney. we SHOULD win the first game. what we need is love from msu. a loss tonight, and then another from us, and we would take the coveted 6 seed. that would give us a scrub in round 1 and indiana in round 2 (rather than osu or waukee). i gotta say we have atleast a 6 to 7% chance of dancing. not time to jump off the wagon just yet.

Sorry bro, but you are reaching. Michigan MUST beat Michigan State, then they MUST beat Ohio State, and then they would have to win their first BT tourney game to have a shot. A split between MSU and OSU would seal their NIT fate.

They aren't even in the first 8 teams out of the NCAA tourney right now. They need alot to happen.

Has anyone considered that maybe he was being sarcastic and things don't need to be taken so literally all the time?

Has anyone considered that maybe he was being sarcastic and things don't need to be taken so literally all the time?

Given bdiddy's post history, chances are he was dead serious about UM's chances. If not, its a bit difficult to sense sarcasm through written text at times.

i was dead serious. 6-7 % chance of dancing atleast. no reason not to get uber pumped for tuesday. i might even put money on the game.

i was dead serious. 6-7 % chance of dancing atleast. no reason not to get uber pumped for tuesday. i might even put money on the game.

Well, it is a home game for Michigan. Every BT team has a shot at home. Who knows, maybe the officials will hand UM a +30 foul margain again like last year.

My doubts on that 6-7% come with the Ohio State game. Michigan has two ways they can get into the tourney. Win the last two games and win their first BT tourney game or win the entire BT tourney.

It doesn't matter if they upset State, if they follow it with a loss to Ohio State. I don't see Michigan beating Ohio State even if OSU isn't playing for much.

And the beat goes on for Tommy...
Dion Harris 6/14 FG, 4/7 FT (two misses in last 5 minutes)
Courtney Misses a dunk in last minute
Outscored 10-0 down the stretch
Several possessions without even getting a shot off
All of this at home, on "senior day".
I'd say this game sums up the last six years pretty well.

And the beat goes on for Tommy...
Dion Harris 6/14 FG, 4/7 FT (two misses in last 5 minutes)
Courtney Misses a dunk in last minute
Outscored 10-0 down the stretch
Several possessions without even getting a shot off
All of this at home, on "senior day".
I'd say this game sums up the last six years pretty well.

The last 2 minutes were horrible. Too bad, because beating #1 would have been nice.

However, your quote is ridiculous. Being up 6 in the final minutes of the game against the #1 team in the country, then losing, is nothing like the past 6 years. The way this team played today, even with the falling apart at the end, was evidence that they could make a run if they got into the tourney. They played like a tourney team. How does that sum up the past 6 years? You could say that this season as a whole sums up the past 6 years, but not this game.

By the way, how is it that if they won that game they were still on the edge but State is still a lock? Explain that to me without using the Izzo lifetime acheivement card. You can't.

Does Michigan get in if they make it to the Big Ten championship game but lose the game? Not that I'm putting money on them to do that, just wondering if they can get in without winning the tourney.

The last 2 minutes were horrible. Too bad, because beating #1 would have been nice.

However, your quote is ridiculous. Being up 6 in the final minutes of the game against the #1 team in the country, then losing, is nothing like the past 6 years. The way this team played today, even with the falling apart at the end, was evidence that they could make a run if they got into the tourney. They played like a tourney team. How does that sum up the past 6 years? You could say that this season as a whole sums up the past 6 years, but not this game.

By the way, how is it that if they won that game they were still on the edge but State is still a lock? Explain that to me without using the Izzo lifetime acheivement card. You can't.

Does Michigan get in if they make it to the Big Ten championship game but lose the game? Not that I'm putting money on them to do that, just wondering if they can get in without winning the tourney.

MSU's RPI - 19, even after the loss.

That would be the highest RPI EVER to miss the tourney. And the only other teams near were not major conference teams. MSU has the #9 SOS in the nation.

I agree with Detroitsprtscity. And Jethro, you DO get some cred with the lifetime achievement, which Sparty deserves.
I don't think that my quote is ridiculous. They were outscored 10-0 down the stretch at home. If you buy moral victories and "good games", more power to ya.
This game showed that when it counts, the heart, talent, and brains aren't there.

I would like to know, Jethro, how THIS game showed they could make a run in the tourney.
Tourney games won't be in Ann Arbor, it won't be "senior day", and the team they meet won't be mailing it in because they have the conference wrapped up.
They just finished a regular season that showed they most definitley don't belong in the tourney anyway, so beyond the bizarre nature of your quote, it's a moot point.

I might not count my NIT chickens before they hatch, either. I think this year the NIT cuts it to 32 from 48, so UM might be on the NIT bubble if they get skunked in the Big 11 Tourney!

this is the type of game that makes you wanna hang yourself.

AAAAAHHHHHHH!

first off, michigan played hard as hell. and mindblowing, amaker took off the sport coat and managed to inspire them to dig in when it looked like they might fall out of the game. so you do have to give them/ him credit for intensity. they were up for this one.

but the refs tried to give us this one. osu was only half into it. we should have won this game. and damn, this one would have helped the program. a signiture win vs a #1, a win that would have springboarded us into the tourney. now we're facing damn near impossible odds. just very frustrated by this.

this is the type of game that makes you wanna hang yourself.

AAAAAHHHHHHH!

first off, michigan played hard as hell. and mindblowing, amaker took off the sport coat and managed to inspire them to dig in when it looked like they might fall out of the game. so you do have to give them/ him credit for intensity. they were up for this one.

but the refs tried to give us this one. osu was only half into it. we should have won this game. and damn, this one would have helped the program. a signiture win vs a #1, a win that would have springboarded us into the tourney. now we're facing damn near impossible odds. just very frustrated by this.

I couldn't believe UM was in this one when I watched. They sure blew it though. You are right, the refs did try to help them as much as they could.

Which leads to my next point. I can't stand this refereeing shit in the Big Ten anymore. You wonder why nobody can win on the road, watch the officiating! It is unbelievable and it's been 2 years in a row now. I can't even stand it, it's disgustingly unfair.

A combination of schizophrenia and poor coaching has this bunch snake bit. It will be interesting to see if a clean slate of Legion, Manny Harris, and Grady with holdovers Udoh, Coleman(?), Smith and DeShawn Sims might make for a new outlook for these guys. The most experienced team in the Big 10 will go down as an enigma with their NIT legacy in tact. I feel your pain as I am an MSU football fan. Feel me back?

At least MSU football can tell when they're headed in the wrong direction by firing their idiot coach. We just see that we're over .500 so we keep endorsing our idiot coach.

It also appears to me that there is another difference in the MSU-UM scenario:
I think it can finally be said that MSU is serious about both sports, and may see a little crack in UM's football armor, so they go after Dantonio.
With The Izzo, they have a man buidling a legendary stature.
UM appears supremely confident to stand pat with Lloyd The Mediocre, and supremely comfortable to let basketball wither on the vine.

It also appears to me that there is another difference in the MSU-UM scenario:
I think it can finally be said that MSU is serious about both sports, and may see a little crack in UM's football armor, so they go after Dantonio.
With The Izzo, they have a man buidling a legendary stature.
UM appears supremely confident to stand pat with Lloyd The Mediocre, and supremely comfortable to let basketball wither on the vine.

Zip's best post ever. That should be worth at least 200 alpacas.

Amaker will definitely not be fired. We're almost approaching a Matt Millen type situation.

It also appears to me that there is another difference in the MSU-UM scenario:
I think it can finally be said that MSU is serious about both sports, and may see a little crack in UM's football armor, so they go after Dantonio.
With The Izzo, they have a man buidling a legendary stature.
UM appears supremely confident to stand pat with Lloyd The Mediocre, and supremely comfortable to let basketball wither on the vine.

Very true. MSU might suck at football, but at least they try. They try to get new coaches and they try to improve their facilities. My Dad had an all access pass to the MSU-UM game at UM and he said their building was embarrassing and dungeon like. Then they top it off with Tommy Turtleneck. Why would you not want to be great in both sports? I don't get it. It seems like it would be tight (OSU, Florida, etc.)

Well, MSU has gone though a coaching carousel of sorts looking for the right guy.
But I'm not so sure they didn't accept a role (resigned to it a tad?) of second fiddle in football.
But with UM going nowhere, and stuck right in the middle of regional prowess and perrennial 9-3, maybe State has finally said "Screw it, no more of this crap, we can take Ann Arbor down". I don't think there is any questioning the genius of my assessment, so don't even try.

I don't think MSU has ever accepted 2nd fiddle to basketball. Sometimes things just don't work out. You take a trip around their newly renovated stadium and it is easy to see that they aren't about giving one sport everything and saying screw fball. When I went to the MSU-OSU bball game this year, my Dad and I walked past Spartan Stadium. I said, "Look at that place! It looks like the stadium of a freaking powerhouse. Sad that our stadium is so impressive and the team is the opposite."

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I think MSU really tries. You might be right about them going after UM right now though with Dantonio etc. Sucks, MSU found the man in Saban to take MSU to the top, unfortunately he has Larry Brown disease.

That's a nice looking crib there, Dr Tre.
Saban is pathetic. I've said before we make too much out of these coaches who jump ship from time to time, but man, he's a weasel.
I could see him going to LSU at the time, but then to jump to the Dolphins was pure D stupidity.
Well, moving onward and upward, Dantonio looks like a great fit, and he won't be going anywhere, even if he does the unimaginable and takes Sparty Football off the respirator.
Even if he does, I'll be waiting, in the shadows. I won't let him get away with it.

Not sure this needs a new thread, but with Michigan Basketball in the toilet again, I thought I'd talk about Duke-North carolina, and "Broken NoseGate".
I'm sure ESPN fluffies don't want to tick off Shitshevski, hoping that of course, one day he'll be a banalyst for them, but that incident at the end of the game cannot be excused away no matter how hard ESPN's Lounge Lizzards try.
Hansbro was flat out punched in the nose. It was deliberate, and the Duke kid should be suspended for the whole tournament.
Is the Glaze coming off the Shitshevski legend a tad? He hasn't done much in several years, hasn't goten close enough for the refs to guide him to another championship, and now one of his players goes Kermit Washington on Tyler Hansbor's shnoz.
Not pretty, but even more pathetic is ESPN rationalizing this away and listening to them do it makes me spontaneously explode AND barf. A "Barflosion".

The local radio hacks here in Omaha just floated some JUICY rumor:
Chris Lowry of Southern Illinois to Michigan.
Any one else hear something about that?
Not a done deal or anything, they say, just strong midwest scuttlebutt.

If this happens, I want a front pager, or some alpacas.

This university needs to do something to get me excited about basketball. Give me a new coach, facilities, something.

Man, I am beat down as a sports fan. Michigan f'ball chokes, Michigan b'ball is a joke, the Lions are a joke, the Pistons are fading, who cares about hockey and the Tigers pitchers can't throw the ball to the bases. I almost don't even care anymore.....off to the gaming forum.....video games never let me down...or choke. Check that....my 360 just gave me the red light of death and no longer works. My life sucks.[smilie=hissyfit.gi:

Dion Harris is the poster child of the Tommy Amaker era. That is all.

Looking forward to another thrilling NIT tournament featuring your Michigan Wolverines!!!!
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper851/stills/406d1e2ed3efe-43-1.jpg
Those shorts are frickin' sweet!

Looking forward to another thrilling NIT tournament featuring your Michigan Wolverines!!!!
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper851/stills/406d1e2ed3efe-43-1.jpg
Those shorts are frickin' sweet!

What shorts? Michigan's with the little M's on them? Everything about this program is whack.

Dion Harris is the poster child of the Tommy Amaker era. That is all.

yeps.

one thing though, my biggest gripe with amaker is that he doesnt crack the whip and force these guys to work hard to improve. well, thats the one area i think a coach could wake up one morning and say,"thats gotta change". i could actually see him pulling that move this offseason. we've got alot leaving, but the new blood is supposed to be good. kind of a new era. hopefully he evaulates what hes accomplished so far, and identifies that. you cant baby an 18 old and hope he takes the innitiative himself. i'll be extremely sad if the next 4 years of michigan basketball resemble the last 4.

yeps.

one thing though, my biggest gripe with amaker is that he doesnt crack the whip and force these guys to work hard to improve. well, thats the one area i think a coach could wake up one morning and say,"thats gotta change". i could actually see him pulling that move this offseason. we've got alot leaving, but the new blood is supposed to be good. kind of a new era. hopefully he evaulates what hes accomplished so far, and identifies that. you cant baby an 18 old and hope he takes the innitiative himself. i'll be extremely sad if the next 4 years of michigan basketball resemble the last 4.

The new era will begin when you get a new coach. If Tommy hasn't learned to change in the last 10 years of coaching between Seton Hall and Michigan, he isn't going to learn anytime soon. He's a shit X and O coach, his strength and conditioning program are obviously a joke, and his players don't improve.

Michigan will be terrible next year if they don't get somebody new. You lose your best player (Harris), your biggest man in the paint (Sims), and depth to go with it (Lester). You're going to be left with a bunch of youth and very little size and bulk inside. Michigan needs a change NOW. Let's just hope it doesn't happen. :)

Asked how he wanted to be remembered, fifth-year senior and three-time captain Lester Abram declined to answer.

In the hoops recruiting thread, Tre wanted to know about Michigan's lineup for next year, thus the bump to this thread.

Here goes:

Likely Starters - not considering the freshmen

PG Jerret Smith
SG Ron Coleman
SF Jevohn Shepherd
PF DeShawn Sims
C Epke Udoh

F/C Zach Gibson will be the first big man off the bench
Kendrick Price and Phil DeVries are the other guys with height. The less you see of them the better.

Other players in the backcourt and wings will be:
K'Len Morris
Anthony Wright
CJ Lee and David Merritt likely return as non-scholarship backcourt depth

The likely place for the freshmen to crack the lineup are Manny to possibly start right away, replacing Shepherd. Grady will possibly be the backup PG (and only other player worth bringing the ball up) behind Smith, but could win the starting job 10 games in or so.

With Reed Baker's scholarship expiring (apparently an interesting year-to-year thing) that gives 2 remaining instead of just one. It should be a priority to bring in another big man, and it's possible Beilein will go after a European for that.

It seems certain that Ron Coleman will be the (or one of the) captain(s). Beielein has mentioned his name a lot and he's the lone Senior on the team. Beilein will want to create perimeter shots for him early and often. The pressure will be on Coleman to hit those and become a factor or end his career insignificantly. He was 2nd on the team last year (behind Dion) in 3 pt attempts, but only hit 34%. Jerrett Smith actually hit 43% (28 of 65), so they will be looked at for perimeter shooting. Both averaged 5.7 ppg last season and one of them will double that number.

It will be really interesting to see where the scoring comes from. All the scorers are gone from last year on a team that often struggled to score. Of course, they were playing in a flawed system, but who will emerge? I've still been hearing discussions that Anthony Wright could show up on the radar as a nice option. We'll see. Hopefully this provides some info for you, Tre.

I didn't inquire about the team to follow up with jokes about the team. However, this team is going to struggle. When I thought about the team I kept thinking of players that graduated this year and I couldn't get a grasp of who was returning. If Beilein gets this team to the NIT it will be a miracle.

I hope Michigan fans are intelligent about this hire and I hope the same for the media. Beilein can't work miracles, he's left with hardly anything. I hope the fans don't start questioning the hire and ripping him because I'm a big fan of this guy offensively.

Jethro mentioned where is the scoring going to come from, great question. Even an amazing offense can't put the ball in the basket for you, the players have to do it. I see this team staying in the 40's a couple of times this year in BT play.

I can see them struggling to score early in the season and narrowly winning games against lesser opponents, while getting slaughtered by better opponents, but I certainly hope they've discovered a scorer by Big Ten play.

DeShawn, Smith, Coleman and Harris could all potentially average double digits. They won't all do it, but could is the key word. Think about it, for guys like Smith and Coleman that 3 perimeter jacks and a free throw. As for Harris, he finds a way and they'll certainly need him to do it on this level as well, unconventional release or not. For Sims, there will be no choice but to give him the minutes, he'll just need to be assertive the way he started to be in the NIT. He can certainly get some transition buckets and putbacks.

Here's the way I see it. They'll have up to 7 people that CAN score 10 points, but I don't think they have a guy who will score more than 25 points very often. Maybe it's better to have even scoring, so teams can't jey on one guy. You don't know who will hit you. Now the guys just need to follow through with the opportunities. As a Michigan fan, it might get ugly at times, but I'm certainly interested to watch it develop into whatever it is. I'll just need a bottle of Tylenol.

Jethro, you forgot to include the Alpena Assassin...Eric Puhls.

With his skillset, I'd be shocked if Beilein didn't find a role for him in there somewhere. No matter how inexperienced, a Beilein team can never have enough shooters...especially tall shooters like Puhls.

I agree with Tre though, next year's team is going to have a rough go of it. With possible games against Duke, UCLA and Georgetown...I shudder at the thought of such an young team, in such a new system playing in games like those that are sure to be televised nationally.

A horrid season just might be what the doctor ordered. If you apply Sparty Logic to this, Belein can go out on next years recruiting trail and promise everyone he talks to about beaucoup playing time and being able to do it right away.
Michigan will struggle to get to 15 wins overall next year and probably will finish in the bottom three in Big 10 play.
However, as a Sparty would say, "Bravo!", now they can go out and get a whole bunch of recroots!

A horrid season just might be what the doctor ordered. If you apply Sparty Logic to this, Belein can go out on next years recruiting trail and promise everyone he talks to about beaucoup playing time and being able to do it right away.
Michigan will struggle to get to 15 wins overall next year and probably will finish in the bottom three in Big 10 play.
However, as a Sparty would say, "Bravo!", now they can go out and get a whole bunch of recroots!

I've never wanted State to lose so they can get recruits, that's retard logic. Offering playing time is something everyone does whether they have it to offer or not.

Here's the way I see it. They'll have up to 7 people that CAN score 10 points, but I don't think they have a guy who will score more than 25 points very often. Maybe it's better to have even scoring, so teams can't jey on one guy. You don't know who will hit you. Now the guys just need to follow through with the opportunities. As a Michigan fan, it might get ugly at times, but I'm certainly interested to watch it develop into whatever it is. I'll just need a bottle of Tylenol.

The problem is, some of those 10 point games are going to come when their team is down 25. I'll go out on a limb and say not a single Michigan player will score 25 once next year. I see like maaaaaaybe 2-3 guys on the roster that could score double digits consistently against the other teams 1st unit in BT play.

Tre:
I'm not saying you WANT State to lose to gain recruits, just that Sparties seem to think Dantonio has some sort of built in recruiting tool because MSU football has been so shitty for so long and he can offer recruits playing time, and now Belien can do the same.

No No Zip, Spartan logic works only one way....you should know that by now

Tre:
I'm not saying you WANT State to lose to gain recruits, just that Sparties seem to think Dantonio has some sort of built in recruiting tool because MSU football has been so shitty for so long and he can offer recruits playing time, and now Belien can do the same.

Where the hell you getting that from? Built in recruiting tool? Sometimes UM fans will question guys going to State to play football, our answer: I guess they want to play right away. That's the extent of it. I don't know where you're getting all this built in recruiting tool crap from.

It's called "poetic license". You may say something like, "Zip, Dantonio can offer playing time to anyone he wants because MSU has no talent, and Drew Stanton, the ALL AMERICAN BOY who led MSU to an astonishing 14-21 record as a starter has graduated. He might be able to sing a few recruits who want to play right away"
But I interpret what you say this way:
"Zip, I have verifiable proof that Dantonio is into gerbils in a strange way, and he offers every kid he talks to $40,000.00 if they will sign with Michigan State. He has a built in recruiting tool in the form of a member of the board of regents at MSU who will pay whatever it takes to get talent in East Lansing".
Now, what do you say about that, Mr "Insider"?

It's called "poetic license". You may say something like, "Zip, Dantonio can offer playing time to anyone he wants because MSU has no talent, and Drew Stanton, the ALL AMERICAN BOY who led MSU to an astonishing 14-21 record as a starter has graduated. He might be able to sing a few recruits who want to play right away"
But I interpret what you say this way:
"Zip, I have verifiable proof that Dantonio is into gerbils in a strange way, and he offers every kid he talks to $40,000.00 if they will sign with Michigan State. He has a built in recruiting tool in the form of a member of the board of regents at MSU who will pay whatever it takes to get talent in East Lansing".
Now, what do you say about that, Mr "Insider"?

I have no idea what to say about that post Zippy