Ok, check this out.
Last night there was a tournament in Saginaw with three games. I went with Mood, Tre and Tre's future brother-in-law to the games. Several college coaches were in attendance - mostly assistants but of course Izzo was in the house. Yeah, I was in full U-M garb and walked by him to sit down (sat 2 rows behind him) and he reaches out and shakes my hand. I later told him he needed to let Michigan get Kalin Lucas.

Which brings me to the real story. The third game was Saginaw Arthur Hill vs Orchard Lake St Mary's, in other words, Dar Tucker vs Kalin Lucas. Let me just say that these 2 are legit. Arthur Hill won when Lucas barely missed a game-tying shot.
Dar can ball, but he's in his own head a lot. He scored the first 7 points with ease, then went to the line 4 times, then never did anything else until late in the third quarter. He was jawing with the officials, the other team, and himself all night. Easily irritated. But he can sky and he can shoot the deep ball.
Lucas started slow but was amazing. Tre compared him to Reggie Bush on a basketball court. I say he's the high school equivalent of Iverson in terms of flat out speed and movement. The difference is he doesn't jack up 80 bad shots. We're talking spin moves, jukes, freezing guys and breaking ankles, driving, dishing, decent shot, everything. It was an amazing show.
Michigan and Michigan State are both gunning for these kids, with State almost certain to get Tucker and Michigan feeling Tucker too but looking more at Lucas being the PG to play with Alex Legion and DeShawn Sims. Tight game. Feel it. Lucas played against Legion a few nights earlier. Playa certainly faces some serious competition.

Please State get Lucas because we are not winning a title with drew Nietzel as our god damn PG.

I posted something about this in the other thread.

MSU leads for Lucas right now but it is real early and if UM makes the tourney, things will be bright for Michigan.

Also not to be downplayed, but Legion and Lucas are real close, and Dionte Allen (big time CB, people talking CW comparsion on the UM recruit boards) is the reason Lucas is at OLSM and Allen is about as close to being a lock to UM as one can get without a verbal. I expect him to verbal early spring to help Michigan recruit other studs, but back to B-Ball.

Allen, Lucas and Legion all very good friends and it would not surprise me in the least bit that they all go to college together.


Art

Lucas is tighter with Durrell Summers, who is just about a MSU lock. So the friendship thing can be stated either way.

I am so pissed that I missed that OLSM DCD game earlier this week. I wanted to see Lucas and Legion play...Rumor has it that neither really played well though.

Yeah from everything I heard, the big time player was the center from OLSM (could be thinking of wrong team). He was a man among boys down low.


Art

With Naymick more than likely redshirting, it's looking like Izzo will have three scholarships for the 2007 class. With those three slots he's looking to nab a point guard and two wings. If I had to guess who his wishlist would include, I'd have to say:

PG- Kalin Lucas
SG- Durrell Summers
SG- Chris Allen

And right now it's looking pretty good for all three. I hope that trend continues.

The main thing UM has going for them is depth at the guard spots. Lucas could come in and get a lot more playing time, which is one of his concerns.


Art

With Naymick more than likely redshirting, it's looking like Izzo will have three scholarships for the 2007 class. With those three slots he's looking to nab a point guard and two wings. If I had to guess who his wishlist would include, I'd have to say:

PG- Kalin Lucas
SG- Durrell Summers
SG- Chris Allen

And right now it's looking pretty good for all three. I hope that trend continues.

No mention of Dar Tucker? Come on! He's the closest one of any to being a State lock.

No mention of Dar Tucker? Come on! He's the closest one of any to being a State lock.

Call it an educated guess and personally I think Summers is the greater lock even though he probably won't verbal until after the season.

And on the Lucas front, it's sounding like his affinity for MSU is growing. That would be a HUGE blow to Amaker who seems to be having some difficulties recruiting point guards (and big men for that matter). Which I don't exactly understand why?! I'm not saying that Lucas is a must-get recruit for Tommy, but considering the departures over the next two seasons and the fact that there's really no obvious back-up plan...it's pretty damn close.

Allen will end up at Georgia. Izzo would rather have Tucker and won't get all three of the SG's. I have a hunch Summers will get turned off when Tucker commits and he'll go to Kentucky. Maybe not. But if Izzo gets 2 of the 3 SG's, it won't include Allen. I think Lucas will have more opportunity to shine at Michigan, so we'll see. Plus Michigan has more scholarships to go around.

Though the one silver lining if Lucas does end up at State, Michigan will be one of the front runners for "Noopy" in '08. Now that kid is a freak of a point guard and he's still growing. He'll be one of the top 15 recruits in the nation when it's all said and done.

Lucas would also take Michigan State out of the Korie Lucious sweepstakes who just happens to be the #1 PG in the 2008 class.

I honestly don't know who I'd rather have if given the choice btwn Lucas, Lucious or Noopy?! :?

Allen will end up at Georgia. Izzo would rather have Tucker and won't get all three of the SG's. I have a hunch Summers will get turned off when Tucker commits and he'll go to Kentucky. Maybe not. But if Izzo gets 2 of the 3 SG's, it won't include Allen. I think Lucas will have more opportunity to shine at Michigan, so we'll see. Plus Michigan has more scholarships to go around.

I don't know, Allen has a lot of ties to the Michigan area and from all reports MSU leads for him right now. You can tell that Izzo is enamored with the kid and I can't blame him as he's been absolutely tearing it up. He just scored a career high 42 points in a game last week with Izzo sitting front a center. That had to've left a pretty strong impression.

IMO with Summers, Tucker and Allen it's a first come first serve situation with two open slots.

And on the Summers/Kentucky thing....I have to think that the Crawford ordeal is going to have a negative affect on them recruiting Michigan players for a while.

On Michigan's recruiting, I love the players that Tommy has in his pipeline in Legion and Sims. Two bonafied studs that'll help a ton but Tommy honestly needs a refresher course in Balanced Basketball Recruiting 101.

Horton graduates this year and Harris (who's not a PG but is probably UM's next best option at that position from a starting standpoint) graduates the year thereafter. Who's going to assume the role then?

Jerret Smith is not the answer. He's too slow a foot and possesses a relatively low offensive ceiling.

TA recruits wings like nobody's business but the man seemingly can't recruit posts and points.

Just look at UM's point guard and frontcourt depth next season. It ain't pretty.

Crawford has to be looked at as an isolated incident. Kid is fucked in the head, and anyone who decommits from one school can't exactly be trusted to stay loyal to another program. Make sense? Michigan ended up better off without him in the long run. The Al Horford decommit hurts a lot more. Athletic big man now at Florida (Billy Donovan is as dirty as Jim Tressel at least) now considered a lottery pick in some mock drafts if he declares this year. I'm not saying he'll be successful in the NBA, just reporting what I've seen.

Crawford has to be looked at as an isolated incident. Kid is fucked in the head, and anyone who decommits from one school can't exactly be trusted to stay loyal to another program. Make sense?

They still played asshole hardball with him when he wanted to transfer. Telling him that they weren't going to release him from his LOI and would make him forego a full year of his eligibility if he indeed transfered. He didn't want to stay but they essentially forced him to

That shit just ain't cool and "player un-friendly" crap like that gets around quick.

And for a lesson in how a program should act in that situation, just look at how Michigan State handled Cotton's transfer. That came out of nowhere and straight up fucked MSU's backcourt situation. They could've easily and justifiably played hardball with him but Izzo made things as easy as possible for him by immediately and completely releasing him from his letter.

It makes no sense to burn any bridges. Especially ones that lead you to such a furtile (albeit difficult) recruiting area like Detroit. Izzo knew that fact...Tubby obviously didn't.

Grady is looking like he might play football and basketball at UM.

Crawford got some bad advice. The basketball scene in michigan is sooooooooooooooo dirty it is not funny.

The recruit that committed to michigan and really hurt was Horford. Kid is such a stud down at Florida.

I dont blame Kentucky for doing what they did to Crawford. I wish more programs had the balls to stand up to kids and make them honor their commitment.

BTW the whole crawford thing hurt UM when recruiting Malik too, but Oregon paid someone to get him to come out there. I bet it had to do with the Nike honcho....hey Malik come to UM and once you go pro...I got a big fat Nike contract for ya.


Art

TIFWIW, but the rumors of an impending Kalin Lucas to Michigan State commitment are increasing in both decible and number.

Jethro or whomever, who would be Amaker's plan B PG recruit if Lucas went elsewhere? Is there another point that he's actively recruiting. Even though I suppose that he's more of an off-guard than a point guard...but Coppenrale Harris maybe?!

Could Legion play any point in a pinch?

I think Amaker is very comfortable with Jerrett Smith at point. He certainly will be next year, with Horton gone. He would obviously love to have Lucas in there, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Smith as a 3 year starter. Actually, it works well for the type of team they're trying to build. They want three guys that score, one that passes, and one that hits the boards like crazy. Smith is a pass-first PG and showed that in the opener with 9 assists in 20 minutes. He can certainly get the ball to Legion and Sims in position to score. But they need to do just that. The team wants two big men to run with these guys. One might be a guy like Kendrick Price, a skinny little kid with PF height and PG weight. They'll ask him to block some shots and slash a bit. Now they need a thick guy to score about 7 in the post and get 12 rebounds - ideally at least 6'9". Josh Southern would be perfect, but apparently he's not thinking Michigan very much now either.

Phil Nelson committed to the University of Washington and has signed a letter of intent.

Sadly, that is all I have to add to this thread.

Smith needs to lose 15-20 pounds if he ever wants to be a decent PG.

2007 is loaded in Michigan. I have been hearing about this Harris kid from Redford. I dont lose too much sleep over players who are 2 years out from even finishing high school.

I doubt Lucas signs with anyone until the season is over.

Everytihing for Michigan depends on making the dance, anything less means that UM is going to have some problems going forward.


Art

I agree with the Lucas situation, MSU might be in the lead right now, but this guy won't even be on campus until 2007 so a lot can happen in this time. Like for example, MSU takes commit from another combo guard type from out of state...

I agree with the Lucas situation, MSU might be in the lead right now, but this guy won't even be on campus until 2007 so a lot can happen in this time. Like for example, MSU takes commit from another combo guard type from out of state...

There's no "for example" about it...MSU WILL take another guard in the 2007 class. Out of Tucker, Allen and Summers...no one's beating around any bush; Michigan State wants two out of those three...on top of getting Lucas.

They still played asshole hardball with him when he wanted to transfer. Telling him that they weren't going to release him from his LOI and would make him forego a full year of his eligibility if he indeed transfered. He didn't want to stay but they essentially forced him to

That shit just ain't cool and "player un-friendly" crap like that gets around quick.

And for a lesson in how a program should act in that situation, just look at how Michigan State handled Cotton's transfer. That came out of nowhere and straight up fucked MSU's backcourt situation. They could've easily and justifiably played hardball with him but Izzo made things as easy as possible for him by immediately and completely releasing him from his letter.

It makes no sense to burn any bridges. Especially ones that lead you to such a furtile (albeit difficult) recruiting area like Detroit. Izzo knew that fact...Tubby obviously didn't.

Don't have time and I'm not ready to debate yet. But, this was a great post and totally true. Ask Jethro what kind of guy Izzo is. I think it's even clear as day to him now that Izzo is a classy great guy (nothing to do with bball) and his program reflects what type of guy he is. Go ahead Jethro...tell em your experience.

Ok, check this out.
Last night there was a tournament in Saginaw with three games. I went with Mood, Tre and Tre's future brother-in-law to the games. Several college coaches were in attendance - mostly assistants but of course Izzo was in the house. Yeah, I was in full U-M garb and walked by him to sit down (sat 2 rows behind him) and he reaches out and shakes my hand. I later told him he needed to let Michigan get Kalin Lucas.


That was how I started this thread Tre. Yeah, all my experience with him so far has been positive, but he's not a very good judge of character. He obviously doesn't realize I'll do anything in my power to take down his program. If I was rich, I would go around giving recruits a ton of money and telling them it was from State.

What the hell is up with Amaker's recruiting Jethro? Does he not see the gapping holes?

What's UM's frontcourt rotation going to look like next year?

Power Forward- Petway, D.Sims, Price?!
Center- C.Sims, Ba?!

And what about the year after that when Courtney, Amadou and Brent all graduate? :shock:

And can K'Len Morris play any point? I've heard that he might be able to which would be a huge help for the TA and his merry men in maise.

And I thought MSU was going to have some issues next year with depth up and down their rotation but after looking at Michigan's upcoming situation, I don't feel as bad anymore...though I'm still apprehensive about it.

Amaker is talking to some "sleepers" with size. What does that mean? It means he couldn't attract anyone you've ever heard of taller than 6'7", so he's going for some 3 star and lower guys just to get some bodies. It seems like it's getting harder to find big men. They thought they had a 7 footer in Herzog, but he went to State where he'll never get any playing time. Interesting, since he could have been a 3 or 4 year starter at Michigan.

Someone wanted to know what BIGS Michigan was after.

Paul Crosby - Holt HS (Holt, MI) - 6-7

High School Position: 4,5
College Position: 4

Keenan Ellis - North College Hill HS (Cincinnati, OH) - 6-10

High school Position: 4,5
College Position: 4,5

James Hickson - Wheeler HS (Marietta, GA) - 6-8

High school Position: 4
College Position: 4

JaJuan Johnson - Franklin Central HS (Indianapolis, IN) - 6-10


High school Position: 4
College Position: 4

Kosta Koufos - Glenoak HS (Canton, OH) - 7-0

High school Position: 4,5
College Position: 4,5

Dallas Lauderdale - Solon HS (Solon, OH) - 6-9

High school Position: 4,5
College Position: 4

Scott Martin - Valparaiso HS (Valaparaiso, Indiana) - 6-8

High school Position: 4,5
College Position: 4

Trevor Mbakwe - Henry Sibley HS (Mendota Heights, MN) - 6-8

High school Position: 4
College Position: 4

Gary McGhee - Highland Senior HS (Anderson, IN) - 6-10

High school Position: 4
College Position: 4

Devin Searcy - Romulus HS (Romulus, MI) - 6-9

High School Position: 4, 5.
College Position: 4, 5

Josh Southern - Saginaw HS (Saginaw, MI) - 6’8

High School position: 4, 5
College position: 4, 5

Alex Tyus - Harmony Christian (Cincinnati, OH) - 6-8

High school Position: 3,4
College Position: 3,4

Julian Vaughn - South Lakes HS (Reston, VA) - 6-9

High school Position: 4,5
College Position: 4,5

I got the names off the premium site at Scout.com from Bluesam. I took out all the analysis of the players, since I dont want to get anyone in trouble and since we dont have a secret place anymore to share..;)


Art

At some point we'll have to detail how the guys are rated and what chances Michigan has. Some better than others, of course. A lot of that is avialable for free, if it's up to date. I just got a subscription to The Wolverine (rivals newspaper) for Christmas. I'll paraphrase anything I get in that when it starts coming.

Jethro, did you ever get that free issue that I sent you? I was talking to Jessica about it awhile back, and she told me to hook you up.

I use scout. I like the site better and feel that the guys who are there have a much better handle on what is going on.


Art

Jethro, did you ever get that free issue that I sent you? I was talking to Jessica about it awhile back, and she told me to hook you up.

Yeah, I got it. That's what started the whole thing for me getting the subscription. She was talking about wanting to get it for me but played it off like it was too expensive. Then to get it for Christmas was a bit of a shocka.

Art, I like Scout as well, I use both sites for their online stuff, only I'm limited to their free content and making some assumptions based on what little they show of their pay content.

I actually pay for the Scout content and EPSN insider too.

Once we get that one forum up and going, i will post a lot more premium info, but right now I dont like leaving it out in the open, but you can PM me and I will send what I find on any questions you got.


Art

Is Grady a viable option for Michigan now?

He wants to play football and B-Ball. I heard that Carr gave him the go ahead, but to be honest, he will have to choose one or the other, unless you are a bad team that goesnt go to Bowl games, because you miss the 1st half of the season at a school like Michigan.


Art

I think the last guy to play both at Michigan was Tai Streets if I remember correctly. He was in a situation like Art described, and didn't play hoops until later in the season. He was good enough to make the team but played very little.

Obviously the 06 & 07 classes are still somewhat fluid but here is somewhat how the rosters are going to look when the Lucas and Legion class shows up on campus...

Michigan
Sr - Ron Coleman
Jr - Kendric Price, Jevohn Shepherd, Jerret Smith
Soph - K'Len Morris, DeShawn Sims, maybe Bennett...?
Frosh - Alex Legion...maybe Grady? and....?

Michigan State
Sr - Drew Neitzel, Drew Naymick
Jr - Marquise Gray, Idong Ibok, Goran Suton, Maurice Joseph, Travis Walton
Soph - Isaiah Dahlman, Tom Herzog, Raymar Morgan
Frosh - Kalin Lucas...probably Summers and maybe Chris Allen or Dar Tucker??

Jethro, did you ever get that free issue that I sent you? I was talking to Jessica about it awhile back, and she told me to hook you up.

Yeah, I got it. That's what started the whole thing for me getting the subscription. She was talking about wanting to get it for me but played it off like it was too expensive. Then to get it for Christmas was a bit of a shocka.

Cool. 8)

Moodini! Somebody is messing with your profile dog! Somebody changed your pic. They put up a picture of Daniel freaking Horton and wrote, "At least we've got basketball." :shock:

Just thought I'd let you know so you could change it back. I know there is no way you'd put up a pic of the woman beater and say, "At least we've got basketball." :lol:

*cough* Greg Oden *cough*

You're not picking up on my hint of sarcasm.

I seriously thought you were for real. I fell over in my chair haha

Too good to be true?

There are some major recruiting rumors heating up in Ann Arbor for the class of 2007. Rumor has it that 5 star and #1 player in the country, O.J. Mayo and his teammate and fellow 5 star recruit Bill Walker are seriously looking at Michigan. Another Michigan target, 4 star recruit, 6'10" Keenan Ellis also plays for Cincinnati (Ohio) North College Hill and has also been rumored to be interested in the Maize and blue. Over Christmas break Amaker flew to California to watch the three play and saw Mayo score a game-high 29 points and adding six rebounds and five assists, Walker added 25 points and a game-high 14 rebounds plus four assists, and Ellis six points and eight rebounds.

I know, I was floored when I heard it too, but Amaker has already pulled in Sims and 5 star Alex Legion, so who knows, we know he can recruit with anyone. Stay tuned, I post more info as I get it.

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Mayo, Walker, and Ellis.

I called it. Sitting in Tre's car after the OLSM-Arthur Hill game I was throwing out jick-nuts recruiting classes and I mentioned Mayo. That would be freaking insane. Sounds like Amaker is trying to go Coach K. (ie, get such good recruits that they make your coaching look better than it really is)

I don't understand why Amaker isn't going after Corpperyale Harris HARD. Then again, maybe he is...but there certainly isn't any news about it.

That kid is a bonafide talent...and he's local...and he has a high upside to boot.

If Izzo wasn't so close to getting a committment from Summers, Harris would be right near the middle of his radar.

Too good to be true?

There are some major recruiting rumors heating up in Ann Arbor for the class of 2007. Rumor has it that 5 star and #1 player in the country, O.J. Mayo and his teammate and fellow 5 star recruit Bill Walker are seriously looking at Michigan. Another Michigan target, 4 star recruit, 6'10" Keenan Ellis also plays for Cincinnati (Ohio) North College Hill and has also been rumored to be interested in the Maize and blue. Over Christmas break Amaker flew to California to watch the three play and saw Mayo score a game-high 29 points and adding six rebounds and five assists, Walker added 25 points and a game-high 14 rebounds plus four assists, and Ellis six points and eight rebounds.

I know, I was floored when I heard it too, but Amaker has already pulled in Sims and 5 star Alex Legion, so who knows, we know he can recruit with anyone. Stay tuned, I post more info as I get it.

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Mayo, Walker, and Ellis.

PLEASE PLEASE...Let me hear where you got this info from. It is easy to sit here and spout off about stuff like this...but to say OJ Mayo is going to UM is a joke...give me something other than YOU HEARD IT.

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=497764

You have to be a paying customer to the Rivals.com site in order to read the whole story.

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=497764

You have to be a paying customer to the Rivals.com site in order to read the whole story.

Thanks for the post...i have NO CLUE how I missed that this morning.

Even though they both might be one and dones and those kinds of players aren't the best for growing programs like Michigan...Tommy would be crazy not to go after Mayo and Walker. He needs talent to win. He's never going to be a coaching savant and major talent in a motion style offense is the only thing that will make him look like a good X's and O's coach.

mgoblue.com sure lays it on thick

mgoblue.com sure lays it on thick

You must mean michigan.rivals.com. mgoblue.com is the school's official page for athletics. You can't even get a website right. You need to stop disgracing your SVSU education by pretending it was an MSU education.

Tre...please tell me you were at svsu from 00-02

I won't release any info on when Tre was at SVSU. I was at SVSU up until spring 2000, then left with my BA. I'm back working on my teaching certification now. What happened during that time that you're inquiring about? Are you thinking you possibly know Tre?

I won't release any info on when Tre was at SVSU. I was at SVSU up until spring 2000, then left with my BA. I'm back working on my teaching certification now. What happened during that time that you're inquiring about? Are you thinking you possibly know Tre?

Just wondering if we were wandering around University Center around the same time...

What brought you to SVSU? Are you from the area or was there a program that appealed to you? Is your degree from SVSU?

I got that info from the Wolverine.com, but today "Inside The Fort" it was revealed that it might just be a U-M pipe dream. Apparently Amaker is actively recruiting the three, but word out of Mayo and Walker's camp is that they probably won't play a minute of college basketball. They are expected to sign a shoe deal in high school, go to Europe and play for a year, then go to the "L". Well, we can dream.

Muhme, I'll let Tre tell you when he was there if he wants to, but I was there during that era. I was at SVSU from 1998-2003 and was on the hoop squad for 2 years. I'm sure I probably saw you around.

High school kids going to Europe for a year is retarded. The money might be nice, but have fun gettin down with Benetton Treviso groupies with hairy legs and bad teeth.

From RIVALS



Durrell Summers had 32 points, 16 rebounds, and four assists in a win over Waterford Kettering Saturday at the MLK Classic.

PONTIAC, Mich. – Durrell Summers was a busy man this past weekend. After leading his Redford Covenant ballclub to a 16-point win on Friday night with Michigan State coach Tom Izzo in attendance, the state's top-ranked prep basketball player never left the floor in a Saturday afternoon game against Waterford Kettering.

Michigan State coach Tom Izzo was in the crowd for Redford Covenant's game on Friday night. Summers was glad to see the Spartan head coach, but he was disappointed that he missed throwing down a dunk in traffic.

"I was tired and it was kind of embarrassing," said Summers, who is arguably the most athletic in-state player in the Class of 2007. "Coach Izzo was joking, but he told me afterward that he pulls scholarship offers when guys miss dunks like that. It was pretty funny."

Michigan State is putting the full-court press on for Summers. "He said that they are waiting on me," said Summers, who has already been getting friendly pressure from close friend Kalin Lucas to commit to Michigan State.

Summers doesn't feel pressure because he has been made such a high priority by the Spartans. He does, however, feel flattered by all of the attention.

"When they say that (they are waiting on me), I just think about how much time they have put into me," said Summers. "I look at it as a positive. And then I think about the other schools. I am going to be fair with everybody, but everybody knows that Michigan State kind of has the edge right now."

Lucas, the nation's No. 28 ranked player according to Rivals.com, committed to the Spartans shortly after Christmas. Summers and Lucas have played summer ball together in The Family since eighth grade. The two would like to play together in college.

"I don't think Durrell is going to commit to Michigan State because Kalin is going to go there," said Shepherd. "If he commits, he's going to do so because it is the best situation for him."

Summers is thinking about committing within the next month.

"Basically, I just want to get it off my mind," Summers said. "If I am feeling a school that much, I am going to do it before the season is over."

Michigan State and Syracuse are the to schools on top of Summers' list. But he admits that Michigan State has the advantage right now.

LUCAS, SUMMERS, ALLEN?

If Summers joins Lucas in the Spartans' 2007 class, Georgia shooting guard Chris Allen could soon follow.

"Chris called me right before the game today," said Summers. "He told me how much he wanted to play basketball with me and Kalin."

Allen is currently ranked No. 84 in the junior class by Rivals.com. But he could shoot up the list of Top 100 juniors if he continues his hot play this summer. Summers has emerged as one of the nation's top shooters and he is making big strides in strengthening his all-around game.

Summers said that he and Allen have begun talking frequently. The two will get a chance to talk face to face at the Iowa game next Saturday. "Kalin and Chris are going to be there," Summers said. "I am going to be up there too."


If you read between the lines, it appears that his decision has already been made. :)


When they say that (they are waiting on me), I just think about how much time they have put into me. I look at it as a positive.


I am going to be fair with everybody, but everybody knows that Michigan State kind of has the edge right now.


Basically, I just want to get it off my mind. If I am feeling a school that much, I am going to do it before the season is over.



Lucas, the nation's No. 28 ranked player according to Rivals.com, committed to the Spartans shortly after Christmas. Summers and Lucas have played summer ball together in The Family since eighth grade. The two would like to play together in college.

If Summers joins Lucas in the Spartans' 2007 class, Georgia shooting guard Chris Allen could soon follow.

"Chris called me right before the game today," said Summers. "He told me how much he wanted to play basketball with me and Kalin.

Summers said that he and Allen have begun talking frequently. The two will get a chance to talk face to face at the Iowa game next Saturday. "Kalin and Chris are going to be there," Summers said. "I am going to be up there too."


Now that's what you call dominoes. :lol:

What brought you to SVSU? Are you from the area or was there a program that appealed to you? Is your degree from SVSU?

Track and Field brought me to SVSU...Still working on my degree haha

It would be sad if I knew Michigan's rivals address Jethro.

Muhme, I was there during that time. 99-04

Jack- you are the man dog! Holy freaking crap! If we get Lucas, Summers, and Allen...I will be estatic. That is a Top 5 class for sure! I wish we could get Dar Tucker up in there though. Anybody know how many schollies we'd have available? I really want Tucker. I'd take him over Allen. Although it sounds like Allen is higher on State's list.

This is just great news. The future is bright!

Jack- you are the man dog! Holy freaking crap! If we get Lucas, Summers, and Allen...I will be estatic. That is a Top 5 class for sure! I wish we could get Dar Tucker up in there though. Anybody know how many schollies we'd have available? I really want Tucker. I'd take him over Allen. Although it sounds like Allen is higher on State's list.


As of right now, State only has 3 'ships available for the 2007 class but the NCAA has made a change in how schools can award scholarships to its' athletes. Schools can now award academic scholarships to existing players IF they have the grades to qualify for one. If a player (say Drew Neitzel or Drew Naymick) is granted an academic scholarship, they will no longer count against the scholarship limit.

So that would be the only way MSU could open up a fourth slot for the 2007 class.

That would be extremely tight if they could open one up for 07. I really want Tucker. I haven't seen Chris Allen, but I have seen Tucker. He is definately a Tom Izzo kind of player. He's got the swagger and scoring ability, but more importantly he can lock up other players and rebound as good as any high school guard I've seen.

"Chris (Allen) called me right before the game today," said Summers. "He told me how much he wanted to play basketball with me and Kalin.

Summers said that he and Allen have begun talking frequently. The two will get a chance to talk face to face at the Iowa game next Saturday. "Kalin and Chris are going to be there," Summers said. "I am going to be up there too."

Rumor has it that Allen has scheduled a press conference on Thursday to announce his college decision...and considering the fact that he'll be in East Lansing on Saturday to watch the game -- I wonder where he's going?

Might Izzo receive commitments from all three by the end of the week? :alien:

C'est une possibilite' forte!

Nice class. BTW everything i have been hearing about this Wright is very good. Plays the 3-4 at 6'6", can shoot the 3 (hitting over 40%) and actually starts for Oak Hill. You are a baller if you can start at Oak Hill and this is his 3rd year in the program.


Art

It would be sad if I knew Michigan's rivals address Jethro.

Muhme, I was there during that time. 99-04

Jack- you are the man dog! Holy freaking crap! If we get Lucas, Summers, and Allen...I will be estatic. That is a Top 5 class for sure! I wish we could get Dar Tucker up in there though. Anybody know how many schollies we'd have available? I really want Tucker. I'd take him over Allen. Although it sounds like Allen is higher on State's list.

This is just great news. The future is bright!

3 definitely, plus 1 via academics rumor has is (Drew, Drew, or Herzog).

Lucas, Summers, Allen/Tucker, Southern/Hickson

Michigan adds commitment to 2006 class in Anthony Wright. He plays for the powerhouse Oak Hill team out of Virginia, where he starts at the 3/4. He is a bit of an unknown as a prospect and his collegiate position is yet to be determined. At 6'6" 240 however, he looks to be a banging SF, undersized PF in the mold of a Corliss Williamson. I am told he has a great outside shot however, and his skill set more resembles the 3 than the 4. Good pickup, just not sure where he will play or how he will contribute.

I gotta admit, I'm excited about this kid. :D But if he played for any other high school team in the country than Oak Hill, I'd be pissed. :x

HAHA. :laughing6:

Nice class. BTW everything i have been hearing about this Wright is very good. Plays the 3-4 at 6'6", can shoot the 3 (hitting over 40%) and actually starts for Oak Hill. You are a baller if you can start at Oak Hill and this is his 3rd year in the program.


Art

He doesn't start for Oak Hill. The top four at Oak Hill are obvious (and Wright isn't one of them) the next three or four guys all rotate in and out of the starting rotation depending on the game and matchups.

Surprisingly, he's been a DNP quite a few times this year already.

That all said, Oak Hill is the best of the best as far as prep schools go, so him not starting isn't that big of a knock on his talent. Just to be ON that team and playing shows that the kid can play. I don't even know if Devendorf started for them last year.

If you want to check out his production, Oak Hill Academy has a pretty extensive website detailing countless stats for each and every one of their games.

http://www.oak-hill.net/athletics/gold/gold_updates.htm



And about the Green & White, rumors are becoming increasingly noisy that Summers and Allen are already a done deal. When it's all said and done, that'll be damn near close to being a top 5 class in the nation right there ladies and gentlemen. :)

Was told he was the 6th man at start, but he has been starting as of late. I will get the article it was in.


Art

The Michigan Wolverines now own a trio of commitments from the Class of 2006. On Friday afternoon, Tommy Amaker landed Anthony Wright, a combo forward out of Oak Hill Academy.
Wright, a 6-foot-6 forward who has worked his way into Oak Hill’s starting lineup, committed to the Wolverines after head coach Tommy Amaker made a trip to watch him in North Carolina this week.

“I think he’s a forward who can play 2 positions – the 3 and 4,” Oak Hill coach Steve Smith said. “He shoots it well and he can pass it and he’s a good rebounder.

“He can get minutes at all forward spots on the floor.”

The Sterling, Va., native, has a chance to do something that, according to his high school coach, it’s likely no other player in high school basketball history has accomplished. Should Oak Hill win another national title this year, it would be the school’s third consecutive championship, each of which Wright has been a part of.

“I just don’t think anybody’s been on 3 national championship teams in a row,” Smith said.

Wright’s role has expanded at Oak Hill the past three seasons. He came off the bench as a sophomore but earned starter status this year for his ability to rebound the basketball.


There is where I got my info from, which is from the player and coach.


Art

There is where I got my info from, which is from the player and coach.


Art

Regardless of what that article says, look at his numbers. He may have started that past couple games, but he certainly wasn't receiving starter's minutes. But that team is loaded, so like I said...it's not that big of a deal.

Kid's got a forty inch vertical and an elite three point shot. He'll be a top thirty recruit when it's all said and done. :alien:


Chris Allen, a likely big time riser on the national recruiting radar, is approaching commitment time. “He’s just trying to speed the process up and he’s going to make a decision pretty quick,” Stacy Allen, Chris’ father told Scout.com. “Right now it is set for Thursday. We were going to possibly do it Wednesday. I’ll know definitely in a few hours.”

Michigan State and Georgia are the contenders. The inside word is that the Spartans are sitting in strong shape here and just to make sure, they’ve dispatched Tom Izzo for Allen’s Tuesday night game.

A 40 inch vertical and a 3 ball? That's absolutely sick! I hear his name is rising very very fast. Man, if we've got Lucas, Summers, and Allen by the end of this week...I'll be throwin on my Magic Throwback and tippin' a few back haha :occasion5:

YES SIR! WE GOT THE TRIO! :o :shock: :o :shock: LOOK OUT, MSU BASKETBALL COULD NOT BE HOTTER!

SUMMERS, LUCAS, AND ALLEN WOOOOOWEEEEEE

http://www.greenandwhite.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060119/GW0201/601190358/1023/GW


I think this says it all:
"Coach Izzo develops pros, wins big games and wins championships," Summers said of his decision. "That's something I want to be a part of."

Elite baby! Elite! :king:

How in the hell will Tucker want to go to State now? I don't get it? State signs 3 guards, what would convince a cat to become the 4th in that class, especially when the other 3 are ranked higher? People rip Legion for being a "me" guy. From what I've seen of Tucker in person, he's the EXACT same way. I don't see a "me" guy wanting to be 4th G in a class.

Kids fortunately don't always think that way Jethro. Look at OSU for example. Why would Lightly want to go there?

Some guys like to join the hype train and win Championships. In addition, sometimes those egos work in your favor. They believe they are the best commit and they believe somebody else will be coming off the bench.

Lucas, Summers, Allen......c'mon Dar join the show! Where is that pic of Dar in the Final Fours shirt when I need it! damn, ill get it up

Meh... I love Dar, but assuming we have a 4th scholarship I would have him 3rd in line (out of the big, probable names out there):

We need another big more than another guard. Hickson, Southern, then Dar, IMO.

The odds are high that MSU will not have a 4th scholarship for 2007 and even if by some academic chance they did, there is no way IN HELL that Izzo would recruit ANOTHER wing. As good as Dar potentially is, it would just be stupid to load up like that at one single position.

Naw, the 2007 class is more than likely completed and Izzo can now begin focusing on 2008. :)

Yeah, not only can I see this hurting Dar's chances, but you've still got 06 SG Leon Freeman sitting out there loving State.

Of course I'm just praying that some of these spurned players turn to Michigan and not the Big East. I fucking hate the Big East.

Yeah, not only can I see this hurting Dar's chances, but you've still got 06 SG Leon Freeman sitting out there loving State.

Of course I'm just praying that some of these spurned players turn to Michigan and not the Big East. I fucking hate the Big East.

The ONLY way State gets Freeman is if Shannon Brown bolts for the pros after this season and Leon is still uncommited AND he's academically eligible.

As good as Dar potentially is, it would just be stupid to load up like that at one single position.

I disagree. You can never have too many great guards, especially when guys leave early. Izzo has loaded up before. Ex. Sutton, Ibok, and Gray all in one class and all big men.

As good as Dar potentially is, it would just be stupid to load up like that at one single position.

I disagree. You can never have too many great guards, especially when guys leave early. Izzo has loaded up before. Ex. Sutton, Ibok, and Gray all in one class and all big men.

But when they're all 4 and 5 star guys? In the same class? And I don't see any of them willingly redshirting like Gray. Plus, you named 3 guys - which is what you have now. We're talking adding a 4th to the same class, when the class before already has 2 SF's, so you can't just roll them over and call them a 3.

As good as Dar potentially is, it would just be stupid to load up like that at one single position.

I disagree. You can never have too many great guards, especially when guys leave early. Izzo has loaded up before. Ex. Sutton, Ibok, and Gray all in one class and all big men.

Yeah but btwn Suton, Ibok and Gray...only Quise was top 30, shit he was the only one who was top 70.

Allen, Summers and Tucker OTOH will all be top 30. As good as Dar may possibly be, you gotta balance out your classes and positions. Just look at the post depth on MSU the year the current freshmen class graduates. Tom Herzog is the ONLY big man in the recruiting pipeline as of right now yet we have guards'n wings up the ass (Mojo, Durrell, Predator, Isaiah and Morgan).

IMHO Izzo needs to start recruiting some four and five star BIGS in '08 and '09 and preferably a few that are offensively gifted.

You're probably right, I'm just mad cuz I love Dar's game so much. But, it sounds like Summers and Allen are much better so I guess that's okay then. :wink:

Izzo can probably have his pick with whatever big man he wants to add to that class now. I'm not really excited about Southern, but I haven't really seen him much either. I'm sure a big man would love to join the crew and be part of the hype that this class is already getting. Plus, with Lucas a Spartan, who wouldn't want to be on the receiving end when he penetrates and creates?

Plus, with Lucas a Spartan, who wouldn't want to be on the receiving end when he penetrates

Sounds like the girls in the dorms are going to love the kid.

:sex:

Plus, with Lucas a Spartan, who wouldn't want to be on the receiving end when he penetrates

Sounds like the girls in the dorms are going to love the kid.

:sex:

[smilie=humpy.gif] Hilarious Jack! [smilie=rotfl.gif]

State will have a great nucleus of wings, [smilie=damn.gif] but I've really got to question their inside game after Davis leaves. They'll be left with Naymick, Suton, Ibok, Gray, with Herzog on the way.....yuck. [smilie=yuck.gif]

Sorry guys....but I just love these new emoticons.

Might Darty Tucker make the trio of 2007 MSU recruits a quartet?

He seems to think it's still a possibility.


6-foot-4, 180-pound wing player Darquavis Tucker surfaced on the national scene last season and is presently ranked the No. 49 prospect in the class of 2007. Tucker, from Arthur Hill High School in Saginaw, Mich., presently has three schools at the top of his list.

Rivals.comTucker is developing as a perimeter player.Tucker named Michigan State, Illinois, Connecticut, Missouri and Miami as schools of interest and noted that all five had both offered and been at a game this season. Out of these five, Michigan State, Illinois and Connecticut are his three favorites.

"I like the fact that Michigan State is close to home," said Tucker. "I also like how Coach Izzo lets his team get out and run.

Tucker is not fazed by recent commitments from wing players Chris Allen and Durrell Summers to Michigan State. He noted that he has not spoken with the Michigan State staff since the commitments, but he is expecting the coaching staff to watch him play in the near future.

Tucker, who is averaging 24 points, 14 rebounds and 6 assists per game, carries a 3.2 GPA and has academics as the top criteria for his choice of a school.

"Education is the first thing I'll look at," he said. "After that I will see if I will be able to play early and if I fit in well with the team and the coaches."

Planning to make a decision after the summer, Tucker is working hard to become a more polished perimeter player.

"I need to keep working hard on my ball handling and quickness," he said. "I'm putting in a lot of extra work to get ready for the next level."

The fact that he hasn't heard from MSU since the commitments says it all. He better not go to Illinois. I'll be pissed.

Might Darty Tucker make the trio of 2007 MSU recruits a quartet?

He seems to think it's still a possibility.



If MSU can secure a 4th recruit for this class it'll be a front court player, or it should be. No reason to have 4 guards unless one or two are willing to red-shirt. You gotta love having this dilemma though. [smilie=applause.gi:

It's official boys...Durrell Summers is a Spartan!!!! [smilie=applause.gi: The newest Spartan announced his decision at a press conference held at his high school this morning! Ya gotta feel it!

I figured the Spartans in the house would appreciate this picture.

The Future!!!!!!!!!!

http://prepspotlight.com/uploads/8D/Hq/8DHq20eqbRs95sicsKPYVA/MSUs-07-Class-1.JPG

You the man Jack! What a freaking stud class! I can't wait. I'm sure they will carry on the tradition.

The tradition? 1 final four in the last 4 years? Nice tradition. The tradition of waiting until their senior year before coming anywhere close to expectations?

The tradition? 1 final four in the last 4 years? Nice tradition. The tradition of waiting until their senior year before coming anywhere close to expectations?

Excluding the current freshman, why don't you name the laundry list of guys that have played under Tom Izzo in the decade since he's been the coach at State who have NOT gone to -at least- one Final Four.

That's tradition.

Last 7 years...1 National Title, 4 Final Fours, 5 Elite Eights, 3 Big Ten Titles, 7 tournament appearances,

That's tradition.


Nice try though. lol

Again, you have to go back to the 7 years thing and completely dismiss the 3 miserable letdowns prior to last year, when STATE BASKETBALL became known for not living up to expectations.

But oh yeah, you were still Elite. I keep forgetting.

Again, you have to go back to the 7 years thing and completely dismiss the 3 miserable letdowns prior to last year, when STATE BASKETBALL became known for not living up to expectations.

But oh yeah, you were still Elite. I keep forgetting.

I think every recruiting class under Izzo since 1996 has been to at least 1 final four. I think that's right. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Again, you have to go back to the 7 years thing and completely dismiss the 3 miserable letdowns prior to last year, when STATE BASKETBALL became known for not living up to expectations.

But oh yeah, you were still Elite. I keep forgetting.

ONE year out of the last 3, MSU has failed to at least make it to the Elite Eight...and Michigan fans (with their NIT championship and seemingly decades long tournament drought) are reaching for staws and whining about their Easter Bunny that is MSU's lack of success and tradition.

That is so rich! Don't stop doing what you do. You're a funny man J.[smilie=lolol.gif]

Yeah, Michigan has sucked at basketball. Say it as many times as you want. I'm not arguing that. But your program is not without faults and SERIOUS failuse to live up to expectations. I'm just saying that Two Guys, a Girl and a Pizza Place (aka State's 2007 class) will follow the recent trend of failure to live up to the hype - but that's ok, keep the hype coming, put a little more pressure on some guys that won't get it done.

Yeah, Michigan has sucked at basketball. Say it as many times as you want. I'm not arguing that. But your program is not without faults and SERIOUS failuse to live up to expectations. I'm just saying that Two Guys, a Girl and a Pizza Place (aka State's 2007 class) will follow the recent trend of failure to live up to the hype - but that's ok, keep the hype coming, put a little more pressure on some guys that won't get it done.

Serious failures to live up to expectations. lol, You just don't stop with the gut busters!

-You mean easily making it to the tournament & Elite8's in two out of the last three...even in purported down years.

-You mean contending for the Big Ten title until the last weekend of the season...even in purported down years.

The funny thing, since a wolvie is the one spewing this shit, is that the Michigan bball team would fellate a horse in order to suffer these "serious failures". MSU's serious failures are Michigan's "top of the mountain". Congratulations. Keep talking shit.

When your goal every year is to win the Big Ten and make it to the Final Four, logic would suggest to you that you're probably not going to live up to those loftiest of expectations every season. But when you're a top 5 program IN THE NATION, your expectations are already set for you. You just have to live with them and strive to meet them...and with 4 final Fours and 5 Elite8's in 7 years (which is easily the best recent stretch in the country) I think the team is doing alright. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Yeah, Michigan has sucked at basketball. Say it as many times as you want. I'm not arguing that. But your program is not without faults and SERIOUS failuse to live up to expectations. I'm just saying that Two Guys, a Girl and a Pizza Place (aka State's 2007 class) will follow the recent trend of failure to live up to the hype - but that's ok, keep the hype coming, put a little more pressure on some guys that won't get it done.

Are you just posting this garbage to fulfill your mod obligations? Because you can't actually believe this garbage can you? You always mention like 2 seasons in the last 7 that State didn't live up to the hype. Isn't 5 of the last 7 years pretty good?

Every player Izzo has ever recruited has went to the Final Four. That's our Tradition. A Michigan Football fan posting about failure to meet expectations haha.

So expectations is just about getting close for you, huh? Would you say you lost your virginity if all you did was smell a chick - and I think you know I don't mean perfume.
State has only gotten laid once since Magic left, and we all know he got AIDS from it.

So expectations is just about getting close for you, huh? Would you say you lost your virginity if all you did was smell a chick - and I think you know I don't mean perfume.
State has only gotten laid once since Magic left, and we all know he got AIDS from it.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=hahaha.gif] [smilie=great.gif]

So expectations is just about getting close for you, huh? Would you say you lost your virginity if all you did was smell a chick - and I think you know I don't mean perfume.
State has only gotten laid once since Magic left, and we all know he got AIDS from it.

Damn do you ever suffer from bouts college basketball ignorance at times.

There's a reason programs raise Final Four banners in their gym's...and it's not because their team failed to meet expectations. There's also a reason programs celebrate Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight appearances. We'll see how you feel about your squad if they just miss out on a Big Ten title but then fortunate enough to make a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 this season. Perhaps you would realize these facts slightly more clearly if your beloved team had actually participated in the NCAA tournament in the last mother fuckin' decade or two. [smilie=laugh3.gif]

So expectations is just about getting close for you, huh? Would you say you lost your virginity if all you did was smell a chick - and I think you know I don't mean perfume.
State has only gotten laid once since Magic left, and we all know he got AIDS from it.

Questions: So MSU should be dissapointed in Final Four appearances? Was Roy William's tenure as head coach at Kansas a failure? Is this subject so serious that it advocates making light of someone contracting the AIDS virus? [smilie=annoyed.gif]

The tradition? 1 final four in the last 4 years? Nice tradition. The tradition of waiting until their senior year before coming anywhere close to expectations?It's better than having no final fours in 10 years.

State has only gotten laid once since Magic left, and we all know he got AIDS from it.

Nice, you're also too dimwitted to even realize that Magic didn't contract AIDS. [smilie=404.gif]

Alright folks, back on topic now!!!!!!

This is a BASKETBALL RECRUITING thread afterall. [smilie=a.gif]

The tradition? 1 final four in the last 4 years? Nice tradition. The tradition of waiting until their senior year before coming anywhere close to expectations?It's better than having no final fours in 10 years.

You're right, it sure is, but Michigan basketball hasn't had much in the way of expectations. I've said over and over again that State basketball is clearly better than Michigan basketball. Nobody can deny that. But being better in the sport than Michigan doesn't exactly meen you're meeting expectations (especially not when Michigan is able to beat you once in a while).

The tradition? 1 final four in the last 4 years? Nice tradition. The tradition of waiting until their senior year before coming anywhere close to expectations?It's better than having no final fours in 10 years.

You're right, it sure is, but Michigan basketball hasn't had much in the way of expectations. I've said over and over again that State basketball is clearly better than Michigan basketball. Nobody can deny that. But being better in the sport than Michigan doesn't exactly meen you're meeting expectations (especially not when Michigan is able to beat you once in a while).

You're right, being better than Michigan over the last 10 years doesn't really mean shit. UM has been a struggling squad recently as you've constantly reminding us.

So name all of the teams that HAVE been better than MSU over the past decade? Humor the board and laundry list them for us so we can once and for all see in technicolor JUST how pathetically MSU hasn't been "meeting expectations."

So expectations is just about getting close for you, huh? Would you say you lost your virginity if all you did was smell a chick - and I think you know I don't mean perfume.
State has only gotten laid once since Magic left, and we all know he got AIDS from it.

This might be the worst post I've ever read on WTF. I can't take this shit.

JETHRO, FOR THE LAST TIME- A FINAL FOUR IS NOT FAILURE. IT'S ONE OF THE GOALS EVERY COACH SETS FOR THEIR PROGRAM.

NEWSFLASH- IF YOU REACH A GOAL, IT'S SUCCESS.

YOUR CLAIM THAT YOU HAVE TO WIN IT ALL IN ORDER FOR YOUR SEASON TO BE A SUCCESS IS UNREALISTIC AND AN ABSOLUTE JOKE. LIKE I SAID, DUKE HAS ONLY WON IT 3 TIMES.

And watch your mouth when speaking about the greatest point guard to ever play the game.

Well Lloyd Carr says that his goal is to win the Big Ten and go to the Rose Bowl every year. Thus Michigan had a successul season 2 out of the last 3 years.

Final Fours and BCS games are nice and make for a successful season, but championships is what it is all about when all is said and done.

I didnt know Oscar went to MSU..shrug.



Art

Final Four is a Championship. 4 Trophies sit on a shelf above the others in Izzo's office. Each one says Regional Champion on it. (here we go with that again haha)



I didnt know Oscar went to MSU..shrug.
[smilie=hahaha.gif] [smilie=hahaha.gif] [smilie=hahaha.gif]

Dude, stop! You're killing me! haha I'm still tryin to get over the "MSU fans will pretend they didn't want Grady" comment. [smilie=melodramati: [smilie=laugh3.gif]

LIKE I SAID, DUKE HAS ONLY WON IT 3 TIMES.
UNC UCLA?????

Hey Jethro, you know how we always have the argument on whether or not a Final Four (Regional Championship) is a Championship or not? Well, I just stumbled on this and thought of you buddy.
http://www.greenandwhite.com/gw_wallpaper/mbasketball/1152x864regchamps.jpg

Wow, taking shots after getting your ass handed to you....I am sure in the next couple of days you will be taking another "break".

What do you find funny about Oscar. He was a better all around guard than anyone in the NBA. You dont average a triple double for a season without being one of the best.

Magic was great, but I never felt he was the best PG ever. His outside was horrible.


Art

Who handed it to me? You? I may have been ripped for not visiting the day after the game, that's fine. I admit that I should have been ripped. But, you don't have the ability to hand anything to me. Everybody knows you are a clown and half the garbage you post is uninformed or unintelligent (i think you were already called out on this). We all know we can count on one of two things from "Art"...

1) A middle school post filled with personal insults
2) A post filled with information that is untrue (ex: MSU offered Grady)

I don't have a problem with your uninformed posts, because most people here are already knowledgeable enough to know that the crap you spew is false. But, I do have problem with your unhealthy obsession with DrTre and attempting to get in these lame middle school wars. Give it up. Go to a few threads, make some stuff up, and continue as you did prior to the MSU/UM game.

-Tre haha!

Art, if you're thirteen years old, that's fine bro....but when you're in here, just don't act like it. P-r-e-t-e-n-d to be a mature and knowledgable individual. When daddy's at work, sneek into his room, put on his wingtips and suit coat and just play make-believe.

Do us all a favor. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:



And could someone (besides Art...unless he's wearing his dad's clothes) answer this question for me?

Why do they cut the nets down after a Regional Championship? Why do the fans, the media and every single team make SUCH an enormous deal out of it?

Hey Jethro, you know how we always have the argument on whether or not a Final Four (Regional Championship) is a Championship or not? Well, I just stumbled on this and thought of you buddy.
http://www.greenandwhite.com/gw_wallpaper/mbasketball/1152x864regchamps.jpgI remember beating Kentucky. I was at my uncles house watching the game. I was pissed because I know Sparks had his foot on the line. But it didnt matter thank god.

I was so excited that night, but I didnt think We would beat UNC.

I've read through this whole thread and feel the need to comment.

Dar Tucker has gotten some mention in this thread. According to a few of the guys on the Nouvel team, Dar Tucker is in special education. That's no joke. I don't know the severity of his problems or why he is in there, but I have heard that. I'm sure that would affect his status. Once a coach sits down with the player he might figure something is a little off. I haven't heard if he signed anywhere yet but that could be the reason why it's holding up.

To any of my Saginaw boys: have you gone out to see Torrey Jackson yet? For those outside Saginaw and the highschool basketball loop, Torrey is a 5'11" point guard who can jump out of the gym who plays for Buena Vista, is a legitimate Mr. Basketball contender, led his team to a state championship in his Sophomore year, and is committed to Notre Dame next year.

I actually have never seen him play. It's suprising because he played AAU (actually it was AYBT) with a bunch of my friends from the Parochial league. He wasn't in a summer team and the AYBT coach went out and talked him into playing. It's funny looking at their team picture with 10 white township boys and Torrey. None of them really talk to Torrey anymore though. But I guess Torrey gives a lot of credit to that coach though for his development. He was one of my friend's dads and I never thought he knew what he was doing, oh well.

Torrey played Nouvel tonight (in BV) and beat them up pretty good. But, in 2 weeks there is a rematch at Nouvel and I will be at that game. So again to the Saginaw guys, if you want to see him while he's still in highschool come to Nouvel on the 17th at 7:00.

Torrey is a 5'11" point guard

He's not 5'11.

Wow I say something about Grady that is untrue and now everything I say is not knowledgable? WTF. All my info comes from scout. When something is my personal opinion I state that is the case.

As far as insults....umm when was the last time 90% of your shit wasnt an insult directed toward UM fans? I would comment on your info, but you are sorely lacking in that department. Thus the only info we get out of you is how great MSU is.

You get shit swatted back to you all the time, Tre...you are just too dumb to notice.

Other than a couple of posters, not many people on this message board and this forum in particular act like they are more than 13. This is a fucking message board. I can act any way I want. I dont personally care whether or not you like what I post or do not...you are a state fan and thus I could give two shits what you say.


Art

I am going to answer the net thing just because I know how to google.



It all started in 1947 when North Carolina State, led by coach Everett Case, celebrated its Southern Conference championship by cutting down the nets.


Case decided to take the nets as a souvenir of his team's victory.

"He wanted it to show as a sign of winning the championship," says Frank Weedon, senior associate athletics director at N.C. State and a historian of sorts.

Since then, the practice has caught on, and teams trim the twine throughout March.



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/tourney05/2005-03-23-trimming-nets_x.htm

There is the complete story. Your welcome asshole.


Art

Torrey is a 5'11" point guard

He's not 5'11.

Is he taller than that now? You're probably right though, that measurement was from a while back.

Well nevermind, I just talked to one of the guys on Nouvel's team and he estimated that Jackson was 5'9"

Yeah, he's probaby 5'9". 5'10" at best.

Yeah, he's probaby 5'9". 5'10" at best.

Still impressive that he can dunk with ease. I guess in the game against Nouvel he spiked the ball on the ground and jumped up and throw it down.

There is the complete story. Your welcome asshole.


Art

Wasn't Art a terrific addition to WTF?

SKelly- Dar comes from a terrible home. He was "placed" in special ed. so that his grades didn't ruin his future in basketball. Without basketball, he would have nothing. His brother was highly recruited by Cincy, but was kicked off the team after run ins with the law. Considering Dar's situation (absolutely nobody to point him in the right direction), he's doing pretty well. So I take it easy on him in terms of grades, etc. If I didn't have a decent role model, I don't know what I would have done.

Tory was about 5'10", he's now grown to about 6'0" He's a good hs player, but not a BT type of guard. He's having a bad year and has ruined his chances for Mr. B. He's had off the court problems, problems with the coach, etc. One game he didn't like the fact that he was being told to involve his teammates more, so he refused the shoot the next game. BV won by 2 over a horrible team. I wouldn't want him near my program.


-Tre [smilie=happy2.gif]

SKelly- Dar comes from a terrible home. He was "placed" in special ed. so that his grades didn't ruin his future in basketball.
If he needs to be placed in special ed just to keep him from flunking out of Arthur Hill, there is something very wrong with him. He definitely isn't one of those "slow" kids, but he is at the Charles Rogers level of stupidity.


~SKelly

(just felt like doing this for some reason)

I feel it now, signing your post...


POLISH

If it's good enough for Art and his band of merry men, it's good enough for me.


JackTalkThai [smilie=antlers.gif]

I'm down.

Moodini31

I'm dying laughing!
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-Tre

Absolutely nothing to add here



Wizzle

Here's a video clip of Raymar Morgan during a game asking his opponent how his nuts taste. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

From first look, they don't appear to taste that good.

http://www.badongo.net/vid.php?file=Raymar+Morgan+dunks__2006-02-09_Raymar.mpg&d=1

Click the link then "save target as".

Who the FUCK posted that...if you don't sign your fucking post, we will never know who it was.


POLISH

Braincramp. My bad.

JackTalkThai

Herzog's Powers team played Lucas' OLSM team on Friday. Kalin had 33. Tom had 24, 15 and 7.

Here are the video highlights.


http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=512098

Extremely tight!

Hey Jack, I heard some interesting info the other day. I guess Shannon is about a 7 on a 1-10 on whether he'll go pro or not. 10 being a sure thing for the NBA.

I really hope he stays, I'll be very very happy if he does. And I think he should.

But, if he leaves, that will open up another scholarship and Dar wants it and apparantly Izzo just might do that.

Lucas, Summers, Allen, and DAR?! Wow! I'll admit it, I've got a boner. haha

You're hyped on Shannon Brown and yet you would trade his experience for Dar to play 4th fiddle?

Extremely tight!

Hey Jack, I heard some interesting info the other day. I guess Shannon is about a 7 on a 1-10 on whether he'll go pro or not. 10 being a sure thing for the NBA.

I really hope he stays, I'll be very very happy if he does. And I think he should.

But, if he leaves, that will open up another scholarship and Dar wants it and apparantly Izzo just might do that.

Lucas, Summers, Allen, and DAR?! Wow! I'll admit it, I've got a boner. haha

Correct me if I'm wrong but Shannon's leaving or staying shouldn't have any effect on the 2007 class. Regardless of his decision, won't Shannon graduate prior to the 2007 class arriving on campus?!

But Leon Freeman, should he become eligible, might be an option.

Wow! I'll admit it, I've got a boner. haha

Sick, my boner happend in JTT's thread about the hot chick...

More video clips of MSU's future. This one of Chris "The X Man" Allen.

http://www.gwinnettpreprally.com/Videos/Allen021106.mpg

Right click, "save as" then find it, play it and enjoy it.

Jethro, I've called you out about 3 times in the past week for not reading posts and here we go again. It sounds like you read half of the post and then attempt to put words in my mouth. Here were the posts, you tell me if this response makes sense:


DrTre11 wrote: I guess Shannon is about a 7 on a 1-10 on whether he'll go pro or not. 10 being a sure thing for the NBA. I really hope he stays, I'll be very very happy if he does. And I think he should. But, if he leaves, that will open up another scholarship and Dar wants it and apparantly Izzo just might do that.


You're hyped on Shannon Brown and yet you would trade his experience for Dar to play 4th fiddle?

Show me where I said I would trade Brown for Dar? And on top of that, rankings don't guarantee a guy will be the best player. Who knows, maybe Dar could turn into the best out of the class.

Tre, you have a huge problem understanding that what you type does more than just say what's actually written there, but to the reader you seem to imply a hell of a lot of stuff that you don't really mean to say. You need to clarify that shit.

Example: If you said Mood looked great in a swimsuit, you're not saying your gay but you imply it. Now, I don't want to know about Mood in a swimsuit and I'm not trying to say you would ever even go there - I'm crystal clear that you're straight - but do you get what I'm saying?

#1 Flint Powers kicked Country Day's ass.

Herzog and Lucas-Perry dominated Legion.



Flint-- Coming off a blowout win Tuesday night against Saginaw Arthur Hill, Detroit Country Day came into Flint with hopes of making a statement and showing that they are the best team in Class B. Things did not turn out as they had planned as this game was dominated by Flint Powers. Powers lead throughout the entire game, never trailing once.

The first quarter set the tone for the rest of the game. Scoring quickly after winning the opening tip, the Chargers stormed to 23-10 first quarter lead. They opened the quarter on a 16-6 run. This ten point difference was as close as Country Day would get for the rest of the game.

It was apparent that Country Day had not seen a defender quite like Herzog. They have gone against 7'0'' Stephen Ritzema of Pontiac Notre Dame Prep; but, as they quickly learned, there is no comparison.

Herzog dominated this game on the defensive end finishing the game with 12 rebounds and eight blocks, to go with his 23 points. With Herzog in the middle the Yellow Jackets were forced to go elsewhere for their offense. Even though they eventually started hitting shots, the lack of an inside game crippled their offense.

The Yellow Jackets seemed confused and lost in their offense in the first half without their star Alex Legion. Powers on the other hand was getting offense from everywhere.

When theatre critics first saw Samuel Beckett's "Waiting for Godot," they said they hated the play complaining that the same thing happened in the first and second acts--nothing. Something certainly happened in the first and second quarters of this game, but just as in "Godot," the second quarter was a repeat of the first.

Powers continued to get scoring from a variety of sources as Country Day continued to struggle. At the half the score was 40-27 with Powers ahead.

The Yellow Jackets came out of the break with a little more passion. After a defensive stop and subsequent basket, it appeared that they were ready to cut into the lead and get back in the game. Alas, this did not happen as Powers quickly recovered and kept the margin above ten.

Tom Herzog punctuated the game with a dunk off an alley-oop from Laval Lucas-Perry, the biggest star of the game, to put the lead at 82-62 with just over a minute left. Lucas-Perry continued his strong play of late, he led all scorers with 27 and pitched in with seven rebounds and five assists. When the final buzzer sounded, Powers had just finished clearing the bench. This game was a clear statement: Powers is for real.

Game Notes

- The biggest difference in this game was that Powers had an inside presence and Country Day did not. Lucas-Perry and Spencer Hickoff, who finished with 19 points, were able to score on drive after drive. With Charles Tabet out most of the game with foul trouble the Yellow Jackets had no shot blocking threat.

--Country Day, on the other hand, was scared to death to go inside. With the exception of a few drives by Alex Legion and Darryl Nobles all of Country Day's points came from the outside.

- Laval Lucas-Perry and Tom Herzog were the big stars of the game, but Spencer Hickoff was close on their heels. Hickoff finished with 19 points and seven rebounds. He has always shown the potential to break out, and he chose arguably the biggest game of the year for Powers so far to do so.

- Matt Wittbrodt had another strong game. When Country Day went to a press in the second half, he was able to handle it with ease. He finished the game with ten points and five assists.

-Alex Legion was held in check tonight. The Chargers kept a hand in his face at all times and when he was able to penetrate, Herzog was waiting. When he was left open he knocked down his shots, he just wasn't open very often. He finished the game with 16 points. (I can just barely make out the "LLP is better than Legion" whispers...)

-Sophomore guard Darnell Brown lead the Yellow Jackets with 19 points. He was hitting from the outside and benefiting from all the attention Legion was drawing. His future looks bright.

-Kris Benson showed that he posses some range tonight. The 6'10'' center for Country Day was able to reliably hit the outside jump shot, finishing with 14 points.

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Tre, you have a huge problem understanding that what you type does more than just say what's actually written there, but to the reader you seem to imply a hell of a lot of stuff that you don't really mean to say. You need to clarify that shit.

Why the hell would you think that I'm implying that I want Shannon Brown to leave????!!!!! He's been my favorite Spartan for the last 3 years! I just said that if he does unfortunately leave, then it would be great to get Dar.

It was apparent that Country Day had not seen a defender quite like Herzog. They have gone against 7'0'' Stephen Ritzema of Pontiac Notre Dame Prep; but, as they quickly learned, there is no comparison.

Herzog dominated this game on the defensive end finishing the game with 12 rebounds and eight blocks, to go with his 23 points. With Herzog in the middle the Yellow Jackets were forced to go elsewhere for their offense. Even though they eventually started hitting shots, the lack of an inside game crippled their offense.

Herzog is having a great year. Sounds like he's really improved. I've heard many people change their tune on him since last year. That's good news!

It was apparent that Country Day had not seen a defender quite like Herzog. They have gone against 7'0'' Stephen Ritzema of Pontiac Notre Dame Prep; but, as they quickly learned, there is no comparison.

Herzog dominated this game on the defensive end finishing the game with 12 rebounds and eight blocks, to go with his 23 points. With Herzog in the middle the Yellow Jackets were forced to go elsewhere for their offense. Even though they eventually started hitting shots, the lack of an inside game crippled their offense.

Herzog is having a great year. Sounds like he's really improved. I've heard many people change their tune on him since last year. That's good news!

Tom has quickly become one of two or three favorites for Mr Basketball.[smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Tre...I need some news on Raymor Morgan...What do you or any of you guys have on him.

It was apparent that Country Day had not seen a defender quite like Herzog. They have gone against 7'0'' Stephen Ritzema of Pontiac Notre Dame Prep; but, as they quickly learned, there is no comparison.

Herzog dominated this game on the defensive end finishing the game with 12 rebounds and eight blocks, to go with his 23 points. With Herzog in the middle the Yellow Jackets were forced to go elsewhere for their offense. Even though they eventually started hitting shots, the lack of an inside game crippled their offense.

Herzog is having a great year. Sounds like he's really improved. I've heard many people change their tune on him since last year. That's good news!

Tom has quickly become one of two or three favorites for Mr Basketball.[smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Here's my question with Herzog. He's tall as hell, yes. He's half a foot taller than most people he matches up against. But if Izzo rocked Sutton's confidence by calling him a pussa or whatever, how bad is he going to rip Herzog?

Tre...I need some news on Raymor Morgan...What do you or any of you guys have on him.

What do you need to know?

His team is 16-2. They're ranked top 10 in the nation. Raymar is averaging 24 and 10. He recently passed Eric Snow on his school's all time scoring list and now sits #3 all time, 104 points behind the leader.

He's a virgo, he likes Fruit Loops for breakfast and his favorite movie is Breakin II Electric Boogaloo.

Here's my question with Herzog. He's tall as hell, yes. He's half a foot taller than most people he matches up against. But if Izzo rocked Sutton's confidence by calling him a pussa or whatever, how bad is he going to rip Herzog?

Herzog is more highly touted than Sutton. And that is what Izzo does. He takes players, makes them tougher, and better. Paul Davis couldn't be a better example.

Okay Muhme, here is what I know.

Morgan started off skimming the bottom of the Top 100 players in the nation as a junior. This summer, he saw his stock soar more than anyone. So much so that he's been ranked as high as #17 overall player in the country by some publications/recruiting analysts.

He was coveted by many coaches because of his athleticism. He is 6'7", very lanky, and athletic. He made himself a name this summer when he locked up many of the nation's best defensively. Think Tayshaun Prince.

Morgan has the ability to play SG, SF, or PF. He's very versatile. His specialty is defense and rebounding. On offense, he's a smooth kindof player that can finish with a dunk in traffic. He's working on his outside shot and his mid range is okay.

He's having a great year as Jack mentioned. That's all I know.

Here's my question with Herzog. He's tall as hell, yes. He's half a foot taller than most people he matches up against. But if Izzo rocked Sutton's confidence by calling him a pussa or whatever, how bad is he going to rip Herzog?

Country Day was supposed to have the bigs to give Herzog some serious problems. DCD's front line goes 6'5'', 6'5'', 6'9'', 6'9'', 6'10'' and 6'11''...and Tom went out and dropped 23, 12 and 8 on 'em.

So much for that idea.

Ok, nice effort, but which of those guys are starters and which are stiffs?

By the way, yes, I realize Herzog has some game. That's great. He sure as hell better to be getting the national ratings he's getting. But your own boys called him Josh Asselin.

Ok, nice effort, but which of those guys are starters and which are stiffs?

By the way, yes, I realize Herzog has some game. That's great. He sure as hell better to be getting the national ratings he's getting. But your own boys called him Josh Asselin.

Well Country Day is supposed to be a legit State Champ contender, and has Michigan fan fave Alex Legion.

Ok, nice effort, but which of those guys are starters and which are stiffs?

By the way, yes, I realize Herzog has some game. That's great. He sure as hell better to be getting the national ratings he's getting. But your own boys called him Josh Asselin.

DCD (who was the #1 ranked Class B team in the state coming into the game) started 6'10" Keith Benson and 6'9" Charles Tabet.

And if "my boys" said that about Tom, that must make it so. [smilie=laugh3.gif]

Drifting back to reality...Asselin finished 11th in Mr Basketball voting and was merely honorable mention All State. Lets be frank here Jethro, regardless of what my legendary boys have gone on record as saying, Josh wasn't near the talent that Herzog is. Josh averaged 16, 9 and 3 in the Tri Valley Conference. I'm not sure if you're aware or not but the TVC isn't exactly a mecca for basketball. Though I will admit that I'm secretly a huge fan of the Saginaw Swan Valley Vikings and the Michigan Lutheran Seminary Cardinals. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

I just watched Tory Jackson play Nouvel.

For the debate about his height, I stood right next to him before they went in the gym, I'd say he's 5'11".

He ended up scoring 35 or 36 and made 3 HUGE 3 pointers at the end of the game to ice it for BV. Definitely an impressive performance. A few acrobatic plays and a lot of great jumpshots. Impressive showing for sure.

I heard bad things, but I wanted Tory Jackson to go to Michigan all along. But his replacement Kelvin Grady is looking pretty tight. I watched his video on Rivals and I was impressed. You can look like a stud if you bob and weave in between a bunch of whack chodes, but he has a smooth looking J and he was knocking down threes with hands in his face. It also looked like he can distribute the ball making nice passes and a few spectacular ones. I'm pleasantly surprised. [smilie=applause.gi:

Also, Tre, I thought that Dahlman was supposed to be the next Tayshaun, not Morgan. Which is it? Or does every tall, lanky cat that commits to State play like The Prince?
http://www.basket-plus.com/images/NBA/NBA%202004-05/Prince_zakucavanje.jpg

Tory Jackson is a good person though. Any bad things you've heard have had to come from the basketball court and his team.

As I said, he played an AAU type of deal with a few of my friends in grade school. One kid on that team had a dream to play for Notre Dame basketball. He asked Tory to help him out earlier this year and Tory got him a face to face meeting with ND's head coach. (The kid will never play for Notre Dame, D2 at best) But Tory certainly could have blew him off.

And even before the game last night out in the halls Tory was talking with everybody and just seemed like a nice guy.

Yet another Chris Allen highlight reel dunk.

http://www.gwinnettpreprally.com/Videos/Meadowcreek02172006.mpg
(right click, "save as"...then play)

That's an opposite handed, one-handed alley-oop dunk. [smilie=horns.gif]

Josh averaged 16, 9 and 3 in the Tri Valley Conference. I'm not sure if you're aware or not but the TVC isn't exactly a mecca for basketball. Though I will admit that I'm secretly a huge fan of the Saginaw Swan Valley Vikings and the Michigan Lutheran Seminary Cardinals.

No way Jack! Swan Valley? Are you from the Tri-Valley? I'm currently coaching the UNDEFEATED 16-0 #6 in the State Swan Valley Vikings with my pops. We just beat MLS last night.

As far as the Asselin comparison goes, Jethro...I always stated that people I talked to said that about Herzog. I always clearly stated that I never saw him play. Looks like he's coming around.

Moodini, in response to the Tayshaun thing. Dahlman and Morgan are extremely similar. I've read writers compare both of them to Prince. They have the same type of bodies too, with Morgan being a little more defined. But, lanky and athletic regardless.

That Allen dunk was SICK!!!!! [smilie=applause.gi: Keep em comin' Jack!

Josh averaged 16, 9 and 3 in the Tri Valley Conference. I'm not sure if you're aware or not but the TVC isn't exactly a mecca for basketball. Though I will admit that I'm secretly a huge fan of the Saginaw Swan Valley Vikings and the Michigan Lutheran Seminary Cardinals.

No way Jack! Swan Valley? Are you from the Tri-Valley? I'm currently coaching the UNDEFEATED 16-0 #6 in the State Swan Valley Vikings with my pops. We just beat MLS last night.

No I'm not from the area, I just knew that SV was a smaller school having a great season.

Congratulations though! [smilie=applause.gi:

Sounds like you had a heart breaker the other day Dre.

Have you seen any replays? Was the shot good or wasn't it?

I know the feeling though, my senior year in high school we were undefeated (19-0) heading into the last game of the regular season and we ended up losing the game to our cross town rival. It blew and it sucked even worse to lose that feeling of invincibility on the eve of the playoffs. We ended up losing in the quarters.

Sounds like you had a heart breaker the other day Dre.

Have you seen any replays? Was the shot good or wasn't it?

I know the feeling though, my senior year in high school we were undefeated (19-0) heading into the last game of the regular season and we ended up losing the game to our cross town rival. It blew and it sucked even worse to lose that feeling of invincibility on the eve of the playoffs. We ended up losing in the quarters.

No, it wasn't good. We've got it on tape. It came a full second after time had expired. You couldn't hear the buzzer because of the ridiculous noise level in the gym.

I'm actually glad it happened now though because we played last night for the conference title and played better than we had all year. The guys became more focused and determined than ever. Looks like it worked out for the best.

19-0 Wow, that's tight. I'd love to just get to the quarters this year.

Glad to hear the Vikes came out firing Tre.

Some updates from Rivals on MSU's recruits...

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=516337

Man, sounds like all the future Spartans are just tearing it up. I can't believe Dahlman has scored 3,000 points for his career. Our school record in like 1,200 for a career! That is sick.

Those juniors are just amazing too. A 30 point night is like an average game for them. Lovin' it!

Man, sounds like all the future Spartans are just tearing it up. I can't believe Dahlman has scored 3,000 points for his career. Our school record in like 1,200 for a career! That is sick.

Those juniors are just amazing too. A 30 point night is like an average game for them. Lovin' it!

3,000 is just an insane number. Raymar Morgan in on the verge of becoming his school's all time leading scorer (he's 23 points short) and his high school basketball program is one of the most storied and successful programs in the entire country. And that record is merely 1,431 points.

Canton McKinley Boys Individual Scoring Leaders - Career
#1, 1,431 - 1967-69----- Nick Weatherspoon
.....(Raymar needs 23 points for 1st place tie)
#2, 1,408 - 2003-06----- Raymar Morgan
#3, 1,361 - 1982-84----- Gary Grant
#4, 1,311 - 1979-81----- Troy Taylor
#5, 1,240 - 1989-91----- Eric Snow
#6, 1,023 - 1985-87----- Tim Jackson
#7, 1,014 - 2002-04----- Stan Hall Jr
#8, 1,012 - 1972-74----- Frank Ridley
#9, ...982 - 1989-91----- Bryant Bowden
#10,..970 - 1949-51----- Wendell Early

Unfortunately in Dahlman's case his 3,000 points is somewhat telling with regards to the competition that he plays against. ie. it's not that great. On the bright side though, I do believe that Isaiah has within his reach the ALL TIME state of Minnesota scoring record. That would be an impressive accomplishment regardless of the cupcake leagues that Minnesota has historically possessed.

Just fyi, Michigan's all-time scoring record is 2,841 by Jay Smith from Mio set in 1979. He averaged 29 points a game throughout his HS career.

There are grumblings that a 6'8" forward in the class of 2008 (from the Nasty) has committed to MSU. Versatile player who some claim is the #1 ranked player in the state in 2008. In a recent game he had 11 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists and 7 steals in a 91-56 win over Mt. Pleasant and in another he had 18 pts and 16 rebs. Nice numbers from just a soph.

Goes by the name of "Day Day" Green. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Nothing even close to being official yet.

Stay tuned...

And in related news, Izzo has inquired about the schedule of a MIDDLE SCHOOL team so he can go watch some phenom.

The kid actually sounds pretty good. Michael Jordan gave the kid and his family his personal number if they ever needed any assistance and/or guidance. He's two years away from high school and Duke and Michigan State are already showing interest.

What a fucking crazy world the recruiting game has become.

And in related news, Izzo has inquired about the schedule of a MIDDLE SCHOOL team so he can go watch some phenom.

The kid actually sounds pretty good. Michael Jordan gave the kid and his family his personal number if they ever needed any assistance and/or guidance. He's two years away from high school and Duke and Michigan State are already showing interest.

What a fucking crazy world the recruiting game has become.

That is just creepy.

At first, in regards to the new NBA age limit, college coaches seemed to remain neutral on the issue. But now, after getting chances to recruit kids like this one, they must absolutely love the age limit.

Very interesting stuff Jack. I've never heard of the kid you mentioned from Saginaw. Do you know who he plays for?

In addition, the phenom info is interesting. Very few draw interest like that in middle school. The only two Spartans that I can remember getting that kind of attention that early were none other than [smilie=applause.gi: Magic Johnson [smilie=applause.gi: and [smilie=cheer.gif] marcus taylor [smilie=cheer.gif]. I obviously hate Taylor but looking back I guess he did lead the BT in points and assists as a Soph.

It'll be interesting to hear more about this kid and where he's from.

Very interesting stuff Jack. I've never heard of the kid you mentioned from Saginaw. Do you know who he plays for?

In addition, the phenom info is interesting. Very few draw interest like that in middle school. The only two Spartans that I can remember getting that kind of attention that early were none other than [smilie=applause.gi: Magic Johnson [smilie=applause.gi: and [smilie=cheer.gif] marcus taylor [smilie=cheer.gif]. I obviously hate Taylor but looking back I guess he did lead the BT in points and assists as a Soph.

It'll be interesting to hear more about this kid and where he's from.

I could be wrong but I think the first kid is from the High and plays on the same team as Josh Southern.

And the middle schooler plays for Madison middle school, wherever the fuck that is?!

The kid's name is Dreymond Green, Spoh., wears #50 for Saginaw High. With Southern, Wright and Kuddles, he doesn't get much hype in the local papers - so only scouts looking at the 2008 class would really know very much about him. Not sure what his size is.

He's about 6'8". Moodini and I saw him at the movies one night.

He's about 6'8". Moodini and I saw him at the movies one night.

He had 20 and 18 against Flint Northern a week or so ago.

Extremely athletic...and raw but with strong basketball instincts.

These kids get so hyped.......it's hilarious...and I love it.

Lucas crosses line into status as a special player

Web-posted Mar 15, 2006

Keith Langlois
Of The Oakland Press

TROY - Tom Izzo arrived in a pensive mood by outward appearances, preoccupied as he must be by the approaching NCAA tournament. But by the time Michigan State's coach slipped out the back door of Athens High's gym a few hours later, he was grinning widely and well at ease.

And feeling much better about the Spartans' Final Four chances.
Well, their 2008 chances, at least.

There are unbelievably gifted basketball players and then there are players who make unbelievable plays to win basketball games. It's a narrow line but a tricky journey. Welcome to the club, Kalin Lucas.

"There were about four minutes to go in the third quarter, we were down five or six and I said, I have to take over,' " Orchard Lake St. Mary's quicksilver junior point guard said in a locker room where the joy revealed the importance of the game just won, 57-55 over Pontiac Northern in a Class A regional that makes St. Mary's the oddson favorite to get to the Breslin Center, a place Lucas will know well soon enough.

"I don't know what to say about him," longtime St. Mary's coach George Porritt said. "He was ... he was special"

Lucas, who two months ago pledged himself to Izzo and Michigan State, scored 31 points, 22 in the second half and 14 in the fourth quarter when his team most needed him - not just his scoring, but his presence.

Northern has been the gold standard of Oakland County basketball in the new millenium, winning two state championships and making serious runs at more. And the Huskies will always wonder what might have been about a game they led - by as many as 10 points - until the final three minutes.

But as the years unfold, they'll come to understand that they were done in by an unbelievably gifted basketball player crossing a line into even more select company.

No wonder Izzo was grinning. It's one thing for a kid to score 31 in a rout against an overmatched opponent.

Lucas scored an incredibly tough 31 against a defense more athletic, if not as physically imposing, as some he'll see when he gets to East Lansing. He wasn't passive early in the game, but he picked his spots and tried to find an errant jump shot. Izzo, who values toughness both mental and physical above all else, had to love how Lucas responded to both his team's deficit and his shooting travails.

"I was rushing my shots," he said. "I was too eager to play them. And then my shots started falling."

Wow. Did they ever. Just when it felt like time might run out on the Eaglets before they'd ever catch Northern, Lucas nailed a clean triple to tie the game with 4:45 left, and less than two minutes later he bagged another to give St. Mary's its fi rst lead. Two free throws with 1:03 left put his team back in front, but they found themselves down one point again with 20 seconds left when Porritt called his fi nal timeout.

Everybody knew what was coming, the same way everybody knew who was taking the last shot for Boston when Larry Bird was there, or for Chicago during the Jordan heyday, or at The Palace these days when the ball inevitably finds itself in Chauncey Billups' hands with the clock dripping seconds and an arena's lungs still.

Lucas faked the marvelously gifted Tim Williams right, came back left and got inside the lane, throwing up a tear drop runner that didn't touch the rim. Game, set, match.

"He did what he had to do for his team," Northern coach Robert Rogers said after dismissing a red-eyed bunch of players who'll be heard from again - Rogers starts four juniors. "We did the best we could on the other guys. We said we couldn't let the other guys beat us.

"Unfortunately, this guy here had a great night. He reminds me of Tony Parker a little, because he gets to the paint when he wants, and like Elgin Baylor a little, because he can float and hang in the air and get his shot off. My hat's off to the kid."

Lucas fancies himself more in the Allen Iverson-Chris Paul mold, though when somebody suggests he took over the game the way Dwyane Wade did in a recent Miami when over the Pistons, his eyes light up.

"Oh, yeah," he says, "I forgot D-Wade."

Nobody who was there Tuesday night will soon forget Kalin Lucas. Certainly not Tom Izzo.

And the rich keep on getting richer. [smilie=2thumbsup.g:


Korie Lucious handles pressure of being one of the nation's most sought-after players
Posted by: Mark Miller
Date: 02-20-2006

Wisconsin most likely will never be confused with Indiana, Illinois or Michigan in terms of the sheer number of big-time high school basketball recruits in churns out on an annual basis.

Nonetheless, individual players from the Badger State are beginning to attract more and more attention from highly successful collegiate basketball programs.

North Carolina, Arizona and Kansas came into Wisconsin a few years back in an effort to lure away prized recruit Brian Butch of Appleton West. Butch, of course, opted to stay home and play for the University of Wisconsin.

Last summer, Rick Pitino worked his magic and was able to convince one of the state's premier players -- Wauwatosa East senior Jerry Smith – to cast his lot with Louisville.

In the next year or two, coaches from even more high-profile programs figure to make their way to Wisconsin to recruit Korie Lucious, a 5-foot-11 ball-of-fire point guard from perennial state-title-contender Milwaukee Rufus King.

Even before he made one pass or sank one basket for King, Lucious had earned a reputation as one of the most highly regarded prep players in state history.

That's because Lucious entered his freshman season ranked among the top 10 players in the class of 2008 by virtually every national recruiting service.

Lucious continues to hold down a national ranking as high as No. 4 in the country by HoopScoop Online thanks to a successful prep debut and a productive spring and summer playing on the AAU circuit.

Already, Lucious is receiving recruiting interest from schools across America. Wisconsin, Marquette and Illinois are among his leaders, though Lucious says it is clear -- even at an early stage in the process – coach Tom Izzo and the Michigan State Spartans are the team to beat for his services.

"Korie is a well recognized name on the national scene," King coach Jim Gosz said. "With a guy like Korie Lucious, this program is able to do some things others programs aren't able to do. We're attractive to national high school tournaments because of Korie."

Indeed, King took part in prestigious high school events in Indianapolis, South Carolina and Pennsylvania this season, largely because of Lucious' presence.

"As soon as we walk into one of those places, people are asking and looking for Korie," Gosz said. "Everybody wants to see him play. But I'll tell you, opponents don't lay down the carpet for him. In this society, people want to go right after the best. They certainly do that when they line up against Korie."

Lucious says he looks forward to accepting the challenge of taking the best shot of every opponent.

He's also mature enough and mentally strong enough to block out the external pressures created by being ranked so highly.

"I just go out and play my game," Lucious said. "If people like my game, they like my game. I don't try to do something spectacular to wow people.

"I feel I have to do my part to help my team win. I know there is a target on my back so I just have to do what I have to do to help us win a game. If I need to take a charge or hand out 10 assists or come up with 10 steals instead of scoring, that's what I'll do as long as it helps us win."

I just watched the video of DeShawn Sims (Pershing) vs. Corperryale Harris (Redford). DeShawn looks had 35 and 16 and looks legit. He has a Big Ten body already, dominant on the inside, good looking stroke from the outside out to the 3 point arc and the FT line. Was a beast on the boards and had plenty of and ones and got to the stripe a ton. He looks like a power SF with range. U-M will have plenty of talent on the floor when he and Legion team up in 07.

On the other hand, Harris is very raw and looks like a MAC player, big time D1 back up SG/SF at best.

And in related news, Izzo has inquired about the schedule of a MIDDLE SCHOOL team so he can go watch some phenom.

The kid actually sounds pretty good. Michael Jordan gave the kid and his family his personal number if they ever needed any assistance and/or guidance. He's two years away from high school and Duke and Michigan State are already showing interest.

What a fucking crazy world the recruiting game has become.

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Holy shit. If that Michael Jordan thing is true...where does this kid hail from?

Holy shit. If that Michael Jordan thing is true...where does this kid hail from?

His name is Juwan Moody.

Pontiac.

His name is Juwan Moody.

Pontiac.

Oh boy! Hey Moodini, how do you think that Moody name would look on the back of a Michigan State jersey?!

Boy, would I like to see a Moody leading the Spartans to the Final Four! haha [smilie=jackson.gif]

See that? You're so satisfied with the Final four. It's sad. Even if that is an amazing accomplishment, it's tragic not to say national championship. Otherwise, it just stinks of contentment.

Either that, or you're saying nobody named Moody could ever win a championship, and that's just mean.

A Michigan fan talking about being content with less than a National Championship?

Give me a freaking break! Michigan and their fans being content with a Big Ten Title was the theme of the Huge Show for 2 weeks this year! I know you don't like the show, but it was all Michigan fans discussing it.

We are thrilled with Final Fours for the same reason you are thrilled with going to the Rose Bowl. We might only see 1-2 National Championships in our lifetime. Therefore, we hope for Final Fours and Rose Bowls and save National Title hopes for the truly special seasons.

You might want to start worrying about your own programs rather than worrying about the expectations of Spartan fans. We've already established in the past that your expectations aren't realistic. While you're worrying about Spartan expectations, your boys in your sport are just hoping for a win in a big game. How the hell can you fault us for being estatic about doing something that your school hasn't done since 1989?

By the way Jethro, I remember seeing you rocking a Rose Bowl shirt a year ago. Why? You said earlier this year that the only titles that matter are NC. Remember that? But, you bought a shirt representing playing in a game that you lost. Why? You ought to get your story straight.

The shirt was a gift. I wouldn't have bought it.

His name is Juwan Moody.

Pontiac.

Oh boy! Hey Moodini, how do you think that Moody name would look on the back of a Michigan State jersey?!

Boy, would I like to see a Moody leading the Spartans to the Final Four! haha [smilie=jackson.gif]

I think if that happened that would like tear a hole in the universe or something.


Either that, or you're saying nobody named Moody could ever win a championship, and that's just mean.

You may have a point there, Christian Moody and Kansas just screwed the pooch.

The shirt was a gift. I wouldn't have bought it.

How can you not feel the Rose Bowl? Man, what tough expectations to live up to!

So, you've only been happy one football season in your lifetime? Damn. You ought to change your perspective just so that you can be happy after a season more often.

First of all, what you suggest sounds an awful lot like settling. I don't do that. It doesn't mean I'm unhappy, just not completely satisfied. I always try to keep things in perspective and realize it could be a lot worse. For example, I could be a Spartan fan and have nothing to look forward to in the fall. Trust me, I'm thankful that isn't the case.

Now, a comment on Rose Bowl shirts. I would certainly buy a Rose Bowl shirt prior to the Rose Bowl if Michigan was in it with a chance to win a National Championship. But if they're going simply as the Big Ten Champs (which is better than not winning the Big Ten) and they have a couple losses and will probably just finish in the top 10, I'm not terribly excited about that, because at the beginning of the year my expectations were to compete for it all. And I think those expectations are realistic. And THAT, is why I think they qualify for the E word.

(no, not embarrassing - you know the one, but I fear people will vomit if they hear either of us say it one more time)

First of all, what you suggest sounds an awful lot like settling. I don't do that. It doesn't mean I'm unhappy, just not completely satisfied. I always try to keep things in perspective and realize it could be a lot worse. For example, I could be a Spartan fan and have nothing to look forward to in the fall. Trust me, I'm thankful that isn't the case.


It sounds like someone's backtracking!

How about keeping things in perspective and realizing that not every team has it in them to win a National Championship.

Never. When you are a program of their stature you absolutely have to strive for that as your goal each year. You talk to recruits about winning, and you have to believe it yourself if you have any morals whatsoever.

I'm not backtracking at all. If Michigan finishes with one loss and ranked 3rd in the country, I guarantee you I'll be pissed. Ask anyone who has known me since high school and they can vouch for that. I will not lower my standards at all. So it's not backtracking that allows me to later appreciate the good things that happened along the way, it's something necessary to maintain sanity and to get hyped up again to see what it there to build upon.

Sometimes it would be easier to be a fan of a team like UCLA or Colorado or Wisconsin. Those teams are very good but haven't been consistantly great in a long time. They can enjoy success without too much let down. Will I, as a Michigan fan, be let down more often than not? Absolutely, but it makes celebrating a NC so much sweeter. Now we just need one without some bastard Cornholers getting their grubbing cow-ass-touching hands all over our trophy, because even that pissed me off!

(i have not read any of the previous posts in this thread)

So what's up with Mr. Michigan(forgot his name) going to Western Michigan? What a fucking waste. That's almost as bad as going to Central or Eastern. He might as well just drop off the face of the Earth.

Never. When you are a program of their stature you absolutely have to strive for that as your goal each year. You talk to recruits about winning, and you have to believe it yourself if you have any morals whatsoever!

Fans don't talk to recruits about shit.

Fans watch the games in the stands and/or on television.

Our post season rationalizations (however demanding they may or may not be) have absolutely zero effect on the goals and expectations that the coaching staffs and players held throughout the season.

The sooner you realize this the sooner you'll realize the insignificance of your stance.

(i have not read any of the previous posts in this thread)

So what's up with Mr. Michigan(forgot his name) going to Western Michigan? What a fucking waste. That's almost as bad as going to Central or Eastern. He might as well just drop off the face of the Earth.

When David blew out his knee last summer, he blew out his chances of going to be high major. He's a damn good player though. He averaged something like 35, 7, 7 and 4 this year.

He's a poor man's Charlie Bell IMO.

David Kool.

I saw him play in the State finals last year, and he tore it up. I was hoping Michigan would offer, he's got to be better than Hayes Grooms or Sherrod Harrell right? I'd still take him, injury or not.

Kalin can climb the ladder.

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I just heard about an hour ago that Bob Huggins has secured committments from both O.J. Mayo and Bill Walker from the '07 class. Both players are legit top 20 players that will make K-State instantly good. I hate Bob Huggins with a passion, he is a huge douche!

I just heard about an hour ago that Bob Huggins has secured committments from both O.J. Mayo and Bill Walker from the '07 class. Both players are legit top 20 players that will make K-State instantly good. I hate Bob Huggins with a passion, he is a huge douche!

Do you think that he will try/be able to bring in '06 and other '07 players to surround Mayo, Walker, and Bennett?

i.e. Freeman, Smith, other uncommitted guys with question marks

Or do you think that he will focus on JC? What is their scholarship situation for the next couple years?

(will check on a couple of these things)

I think he is in a great situation, maybe one of the best ever. He obviously doesn't care if kids skip class and screw off to the point of not graduating. Well, K-State has NEVER been an academic giant and they routinely don't graduate players either so it is a great it in that resort. I think he will bring in a few JUCO's in order to free up schollies for the '07 and '08 classes because he has these kids brainwashed into thinking he is a god. I know that he has almost his whole team coming back with K-State and if you add Bennett and a JUCO or two I think they could easily pass teams like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech to be one of the 3 or 4 best in the Big 12. Richard Roby also is leaving Colorado so they take a big hit. I just think he is sleezy and I would compare him to Quinn Snyder. If you look at Bob Huggins and Quinn Snyder how do you not think they are dirty??? It is sad that K-State only hired him because they knew he would bring in Mayo and Walker and they would be "on the map." Just a shitty way to run a program if you ask me!

Looks like they add Bennett and some guy they already signed for this year. Then they can add up to 6 people in '07, more likely to be 4 or 5, Mayo, Walker, hanger-on, and a juco or 2, to help balance things.

He can't go too crazy with not graduating people though, as it brings scholarship(and worse, later) rescrictions with the new rules.

I just heard about an hour ago that Bob Huggins has secured committments from both O.J. Mayo and Bill Walker from the '07 class. Both players are legit top 20 players that will make K-State instantly good. I hate Bob Huggins with a passion, he is a huge douche!

Walker and Mayo have not committed to K-State. They just said earlier that they would pay attention to where Huggins was hired.

Walker and Mayo have not committed to K-State. They just said earlier that they would pay attention to where Huggins was hired.

That's what I heard as well. After seeing that he is going to K-State, I highly doubt these kids would want to play there. Kansas State? yuck

Hey, if Kansas State has alcohol and checking accounts, Huggins and top recruits will be there.

Who cares if they go to KState, they are only there for 1 year max...they both want to go pro, but that door has been shut for a year.

I'm just ticked that Bennett is going. Michigan was among the finalists for him and they need the size badly.

Yeah, I don't really think it matters either. Mayo is good enough to get them to the tournament by himself though. As long as they have average talent around him.

But, he's one and done. So it's not much of an impact.

I'm sure Huggins is hoping to use the two of them to get some exposure to the team and try to build something there. If he can get a 2 year guy to go with them and another decent player that might be there 3 or 4, it's a dang good start. Then he'll just try to piggyback that with 2 or 3 more studs the next year and go from there. It will be interesting to see what happens if they go there - will K. State be a flash in the pan, or can Huggy build something.

By the way, no way do I assume Mayo and his entourage is a done deal there, because they've pimped themselves out as a tease to half the country already. When it comes down to it, I imagine they'll weigh playing time and chance to win and take the best mix that's offered to them. Obviously they'll want to start right away. So if a top 20 team with returning players guarantees them a starting gig, I think they might take that regardless of where the next hot drunk coach gets a job.

Mayo is a really good player, but he is no where NEAR the level of a LeBron James at the same age. I personally think the kid is slightly overrated.

But if Huggy-Bear is able to bring in Bennett then Walker and Mayo...that is a SERIOUS foundation. It's a shady foundation but a talented foundation nonetheless.

Kalin can climb the ladder.

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I CAN NOT WAIT FOR KALIN TO GET TO EAST LANSING! This guy will make an immediate impact! There are few point guards that can come in and tear it up as a freshman, and he's one of them. Jethro and Moodini can vouch. We saw him play over Christmas. He's a flat out stud and the quickest basketball player I've ever seen in person by far. The fact that he can throw down is impressive too. I had no idea he could do that based on what I saw.

Somebody ought to go after #24 in that video clip. He tore it up in the game we saw. He's about 6'6" and he can shoot the long ball real well! I think a 2nd tier big school could do real well with him.

While I've heard people saying he's the top player in his class, I've never heard anyone compare him to Lebron. If they did, that's ridiculous. A guy like Lebron only comes around every 5-10 years, if that. Plus, comparing Lebron to Mayo or Oden is impossible. We're talking about a SF, a PG and a PF/C. Obviously they'll all have different games.

So while the kid might be overrated, I doubt he's as overrated as Telfair was. That's a comparison I'm comfortable making.

So while the kid might be overrated, I doubt he's as overrated as Telfair was. That's a comparison I'm comfortable making.

I thought Telfair was overrated until I watched his documentary, "Through the Fire." I no longer think he's overrated and instantly became a fan. Humble, way good, way tight, works way hard for every dime he gets.

U-M class of 2006 target, combo guard, Patrick Beverley is as close to committed as possible after his visit last week.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/PATRICKBEVERLY5_10200.JPG
Beverley is 6'2, 175, and is rated as a three star prospect (and rising, BIG TIME). He averaged 34 points per game this past season, including 48 vs. KG's alma mater, Chicago Farragut on Feb. 15.

Beverley has been selected to play in the Roundball Classic all-star game held April 9 at Chicago's United Center. Event organizer Sonny Vaccaro told the Chicago Sun Times "Beverley is the best-kept secret in the country. He was going to Toledo, and now he has a list of major schools that are after him."

From TheWolverine.com-

"He had a great time [on his visit]," Mrs. Beverley said. "He has a lot of respect for Coach Amaker … he said he reminded him of his high school coach [Bryant]. He had a chance to hang out with Daniel Horton and talk to [student counselor] Greg Harden. He really enjoyed the campus."

What really might give Michigan an edge is U-M's need for another playmaker.

"He thinks Michigan is a nice fit because they actually need him and he's a good fit – not just another player," she said. "He thinks he'll have a chance to make an impact."

And check this out, major inside info from The Fort.
Nice quote from Lisa Beverley, Patrick's mother, from moments ago:

"He loved his visit. He's looking forward to being a Michigan Wolverine."

Awesome. [smilie=applause.gi: Feeeeeeling it BIG TIME. [smilie=horns.gif]

Seems like an eternity since MSU or UM got a commit.

Beverly would be a nice addition. He would give Michigan another big-time scoring threat in the backcourt to off-set guys like Smith and, the following year Grady, who are pass-first guys.

So that's all well and good, but this team still desperately needs size.

Good point Jethro. I guess I didn't really think about it, but Michigan needs size bad. After Sims leaves, they are going to be hurting in the post. Maybe I'm forgetting somebody, but they have very little outside of D.Sims.

They do have some other size, but only relative to guards. They have a few guys in the 6'6 - 6'8 range, but they really need a solid body in the middle. I tend to think that (along with the .500 record in big ten play with some strong wins) is the reason guys like Josh Southern are actually considering them now. Tons of playing time. Even though I've decided to hate Herzog now, he really would have helped a ton.

U-M class of 2006 target, combo guard, Patrick Beverley is as close to committed as possible after his visit last week.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/PATRICKBEVERLY5_10200.JPG
Beverley is 6'2, 175, and is rated as a three star prospect (and rising, BIG TIME). He averaged 34 points per game this past season, including 48 vs. KG's alma mater, Chicago Farragut on Feb. 15.

Beverley has been selected to play in the Roundball Classic all-star game held April 9 at Chicago's United Center. Event organizer Sonny Vaccaro told the Chicago Sun Times "Beverley is the best-kept secret in the country. He was going to Toledo, and now he has a list of major schools that are after him."

From TheWolverine.com-

"He had a great time [on his visit]," Mrs. Beverley said. "He has a lot of respect for Coach Amaker … he said he reminded him of his high school coach [Bryant]. He had a chance to hang out with Daniel Horton and talk to [student counselor] Greg Harden. He really enjoyed the campus."

What really might give Michigan an edge is U-M's need for another playmaker.

"He thinks Michigan is a nice fit because they actually need him and he's a good fit – not just another player," she said. "He thinks he'll have a chance to make an impact."

And check this out, major inside info from The Fort.
Nice quote from Lisa Beverley, Patrick's mother, from moments ago:

"He loved his visit. He's looking forward to being a Michigan Wolverine."

Awesome. [smilie=applause.gi: Feeeeeeling it BIG TIME. [smilie=horns.gif]

Didn't think that you needed SG/SF's that much. That is where you actually have talent. PG and C are your needs, not SG/SF(or undersized PF).

Congrats if you get him though.

U-M class of 2006 target, combo guard, Patrick Beverley is as close to committed as possible after his visit last week.


You read those articles and quotes and then you see his actions and something just isn't copasetic. If he likes Michigan so much then why is he STILL adding schools to his "list"? It certainly makes you wonder.

Regardless, even being just a 6'1" off-guard, Michigan desparately needs PB and he obviously is well aware of that. He would receive a TON of playing time as a frosh. For a player in his position, it has to be a pretty enticing offer.

If you are listed at 6'2", then you are probably 6'0". And if you are 6'0", you better be a point guard. As a shooting guard, you are going to be defended by guys that range from 6'4"-6'6" on average (at least that's the size you'll see coming from big time competition). Makes life pretty difficult when it comes to getting shots off.

This Beverley kid better be quick as hell, strong as a bull, and he better be able to jump out of the gym if he's going to play the off guard position with that size.

I can't believe how these rivals articles exaggerate. It's such a joke. I'm not just talking about the Michigan writer either, State's does the same thing. But, I checked out this Beverley chump. According to the Michigan Rivals writer, Beverley is "rising fast." How the hell is he rising fast? The dude is listed at 6'1" and he's a shooting guard for 1. And the only other schools competing for his talents are St. John's and Arkansas. Not exactly powerhouses.

Yeah, this kid sure is skyrocketing. [smilie=arrgh.jpg]

Not trying to rain on anybody's parade, but it's pretty obvious this kid isn't exactly a stud.

If you are listed at 6'2", then you are probably 6'0". And if you are 6'0", you better be a point guard. As a shooting guard, you are going to be defended by guys that range from 6'4"-6'6" on average (at least that's the size you'll see coming from big time competition). Makes life pretty difficult when it comes to getting shots off.

This Beverley kid better be quick as hell, strong as a bull, and he better be able to jump out of the gym if he's going to play the off guard position with that size.

6'4" to 6'6"? What are you smoking? [smilie=cigar.jpg] This ain't the L. Remember your boy Respert? I think he was about 6'1" and he did alright in the B10. There have been many successful SGs in the B10 who have been around 6'2". But, when they get to the L, they have big time trouble when they go against guys like [smilie=rip.gif], who are 6'6"-6'7".

And yeah, Beverley is definitely on the rise, when you blow up and score 34 a game, including 48 in the state playoffs vs. KG's school, you are on the rise. Also, Beverley was being heavily recruited by Indiana, and was considering them before Mike Davis said he was stepping down. Then Beverley lost interest. IMO, he'll be solid.

His stock certainly is rising. Before the season he was a lock for a mid-major school and off everyones radar. Just because he only has what looks like a handful of schools after him doesn't mean his stock isn't rising. First of all, he has already said no to a number of schools and taken them off his list, but the offers were there. Second, being as the early signing period is over, a number of schools who would have been interested don't have the scholarship to offer.

Mood, you do have a point. It is possible to be 6'0" and successful. I'll give you that. I wouldn't want a 6'0" sg though, will you give me that?

But, claiming that he is rising BIG TIME is a joke. The only source claiming he is rising BIG TIME is The Wolverine.

Jethro, go ahead and post the schools that "offered" him and he turned them down. You post a couple of good programs and I'll lay off. Make sure you come with a link too.

I'm sorry but his height and history make him sound like an average player at best.

But, claiming that he is rising BIG TIME is a joke. The only source claiming he is rising BIG TIME is The Wolverine.

So what is your source that states he ISN'T rising big time. DrTre logic is the only thing I can think of. Personally, I'll take TheWolverine's opinion, which is thought out and taken from actually watching a player live, than trust DrTre, a Spartan fan who knows only that he is a 3 star. Sorry, but bashing a future Wolverine just for argument's sake is pretty old.

Good point Jethro. I guess I didn't really think about it, but Michigan needs size bad. After Sims leaves, they are going to be hurting in the post. Maybe I'm forgetting somebody, but they have very little outside of D.Sims.

The problem is...they are hurting in the post with Sims lol....They are a fucking disaster. I am so glad basketball is over and now I can focus on Track and spring ball...

So what is your source that states he ISN'T rising big time. DrTre logic is the only thing I can think of. Personally, I'll take TheWolverine's opinion, which is thought out and taken from actually watching a player live, than trust DrTre, a Spartan fan who knows only that he is a 3 star. Sorry, but bashing a future Wolverine just for argument's sake is pretty old.

Polish, if you wanted recruiting help, why didn't you just ask buddy? I would have been more than willing to help you out. You might want to stop assuming I don't know my shit. Prep Spotlight is a great source for non-biased material. If we're talking in-State, my Michigan Basketball Coaches Association publications are pretty accurate and non-biased. If you want more nation wide coverage Bob Gibbons and a few others are very helpful. Or if you'd like it in print, I get Preps which is sent out to coaches throughout the Unites States each month and I could send you mine when I'm done. Lastly, I've got a few cards from the recruiting magazines i purchase each year. I'll send you a few so you can get yourself some subscriptions. [smilie=bootyshake.:

Don't make assumptions. My opinions come backed by non-biased material.

If you want an example of bashing a recruit because of the number of stars he received, or the lack of offers he got, go to the Football recruiting board and read the responses every time State got a commit.

Keep posting how great your recruits are according to The Wolverine and I'll be here to let you know just how inaccurate the info is. Use some common sense. Do you think The Wolverine is going to say, "Tommy Amaker is working on an undersized shooting guard who has received only a few offers from average programs" ????

OK, Here ya go...


From Rivals NCAA Recruiting Site (Unbiased)


Patrick Beverley – Is there a hotter name in recruiting circles right now than this 6-foot-2 guard from Chicago's Marshall High School. He is putting up serious numbers (36 points per game) to help validate his wild and quick recruitment.

High-major coaches have made a pilgrimage to the Windy City to see the fast-rising guard this season. A number of programs are seriously involved including Arkansas, Michigan, St. John's and Virginia.

Also from Rivals NCAA Recruiting.


Beverley, who was absent from the summer AAU circuit, saw his stock soar during the high school season as he averaged 34 points, 6 rebounds and 5 steals. As his numbers indicate, Beverley possesses a knack for coming up with the ball and then getting it into the basket.

Here is an article also from Rivals NCAA Recruiting.


No unsigned senior prospect has caused a stir like the swirl of recruiting activity around combo guard Patrick Beverley out of Marshall High School in Chicago, Ill. Beverley, 6-foot-2, 175-pounds, is leading the No. 1ranked team in the state with an amazing 36 points per game.

"Patrick is playing great," said Marshall head coach Lamont Bryant. "Number one, he is putting the ball in the basket. He is our team leader and we're number one in the state right now.

"He is an aggressive combo guard who can really play. People realize how good he is offensively, but he might even be better defensively. About half of his points come off his defense."

It is difficult to get a gauge on how many schools are pursuing Beverly. Coach Bryant named Virginia, Washington, Washington State, St. John's, Boston College, Purdue, Michigan and Illinois. Ole Miss, Missouri, Seton Hall, DePaul and Illinois-Chicago have also been reported as recruiting Beverley.

"He's not thinking about his recruitment right now," said Bryant. "All I want him thinking about is putting the ball in the basket. It's too early to sit down and talk right now as wild as it has been the past two weeks. I have a cell phone, an office phone and a home phone and I still don't have enough phones to deal with this situation.

"I'm not even letting the schools talk scholarship with Patrick. I'm just gathering in who is interested, and I assume that all of them have a scholarship ready. You don't just mess around this late in the game.

"We do want to narrow it down to four schools, soon. I don't know when, but it will be soon. We want to know what four schools he will visit."

Bryant used one of his official visits at Toledo, where he was once committed.

Beverly is averaging 5 rebounds and 6 assists to go along with his 36 points per game.


Here is an excerpt from another article about Beverly.


Beverley averaged 36 points per game in the regular season to earn his spot at the Roundball Classic all-star game held April 9 at Chicago's United Center. Event organizer Sonny Vaccaro told the Chicago Sun Times, "Beverley is the best-kept secret in the country," and the Wolverines are still hoping it stays that way and that they remain near the top of his list. "All over America, he is the singular guy who has put himself in an all-star game," said Vaccaro. "All these guys that people recruit and he was going to [Toledo], and now he has a list of major schools that are after him.''

That is 4 situations, 3 of the 4 come from the Rivals National Recruiting Service, that state Beverly is RISING. If you care to dig up quotes from your SOURCES that state he isn't. I will be waiting to see that day...as it has no chance of coming. So take your 'smarter than thou' bullshit and stick it up your ass.

Don't make assumptions. My opinions come backed by non-biased material.

Again, I have to ask you to bring some quotes from your non-biased material that talk about Beverly.

You're right, you won't get any quotes from the magazines, newsletters, etc. that I read, because they haven't wrote shit about him. I haven't seen one damn thing on this no name recruit that is SKYROCKETING.

Every quote you posted was hilarious. "No unsigned senior prospect has caused a stir like Beverley" That's because any senior that is worth a damn was signed LONG ago.

"He was absent from the AAU circuit" Any player worth anything is heavily involved with AAU ball.

"A number of programs are seriously involved including Arkansas, Michigan, St. John's and Virginia." Impressive!

You're a joke dude. And so is your 6'0" unsigned senior. I'm sure he'll be just as stellar as the last 8-10 recruits you've brought in. You can be sure he'll lead you to another NIT final.

Well since neither of us has seen him live, and you continue to basically guarantee he will suck, I guess we will just have to 'wait' and see.

Every quote you posted was hilarious. "No unsigned senior prospect has caused a stir like Beverley" That's because any senior that is worth a damn was signed LONG ago.

At least 15 of Rivals top 150 haven't signed yet, so there goes that analogy right out the window.

Another thing, what possibly is your reasoning for taking a stand against why Beverly is RISING or not? For the life of me, I can't understant why you would act this way...Oh wait, Sparty Blinders, it's all clear now...

You're right, you won't get any quotes from the magazines, newsletters, etc. that I read, because they haven't wrote shit about him. I haven't seen one damn thing on this no name recruit that is SKYROCKETING.

Every quote you posted was hilarious. "No unsigned senior prospect has caused a stir like Beverley" That's because any senior that is worth a damn was signed LONG ago.

"He was absent from the AAU circuit" Any player worth anything is heavily involved with AAU ball.

"A number of programs are seriously involved including Arkansas, Michigan, St. John's and Virginia." Impressive!

You're a joke dude. And so is your 6'0" unsigned senior. I'm sure he'll be just as stellar as the last 8-10 recruits you've brought in. You can be sure he'll lead you to another NIT final.

Dude, you are a joke if you don't think he's a rising prospect. He was being recruited by MAC schools early, and Michigan, Illinois (national runner-up last year) and Indiana all got involved. Going from the MAC to the Big Ten is rising.

And you say that "Any player worth anything is heavily involved in AAU ball." That is completely false. Many players have played big time D1 ball and been sucessful without playing AAU. Latest example, Memphis senior and national player of the year candidate Rodney Carney, did not play any AAU ball.

Tre, just get this through your head. We are not saying Beverley is going to be Jordan or even Dee Brown. We're just saying that he's a solid prospect who is on the rise that will help Michigan if he commits. Can you accept that? Geeez. [smilie=banghead.gi:

Dude, Tre, you need to realize what rising means. If you are a 2-star and you make a move to be an upper level 3-star, for example, that's considered rising. The fact is that at the beginning of the season very few people knew about this kid. Now there's a bunch of teams - polish provided quotes with easily a dozen teams that you're choosing to ignore - that have shown interest. Go ahead and write off teams like Boston College and Washington, because clearly they suck, right?

The kid didn't play AAU ball. Fine. He wasn't much of a prospect. Now he has Sonny Vaccaro pimping him, which is more of a compliment that anyone being in AAU ball.

Think about it on a much smaller scale. How important have Robby Smith and Keil Darling been to your last 2 seasons? And what where they doing the year before? On a smaller scale, would you say they were definitely rising seniors? They came almost out of nowhere to have a huge impact on your team. Now take that up to a national level. This kid is getting it done and getting national hype now - NOT just U-M hype - and you don't want to give any love. First of all, none of it matters yet because he hasn't committed to Michigan. Secondly, if he does commit and gets the job done while he's there, I won't give a rats ass how many stars he had.

I have a good friend that lives in Linkin Park Chicago and he follows HS ball very close...I was talking to him yesterday about this kid...he said "dont hold your breath...kid is bad news" so...whatever...I willhave to wait and see him do something before I get excited...

I don’t have a problem with people saying that a kid is rising. I have a problem with overblown quotes from The Wolverine. Things like, “He is rising BIG TIME.” “This recruit is skyrocketing.” Reading through some of those quotes, you’d think this kid is an All-American. That's all I was trying to say.

Talking about a kid and saying that he could be a diamond in the rough, or he could be a sleeper is understandable. I do the same with MSU football recruits. But, I’m tired of the Michigan faithful (not everybody) overhyping potential recruits.

When Ba committed a few friends of mine were calling him potentially the next Shaq. When Horton committed, UM was “taking over basketball in Michigan.” When Harris committed, MSU was now “losing recruits to Michigan.” One Michigan fan I know made the claim a few years ago that Michigan was bringing in the same talent as MSU. He said that Michigan recruiting in bball was every bit as good as MSU’s recruiting. Three years later, we’ve got another Final Four banner and he’s still waiting for an NCAA tourney appearance.

I love talking about recruits and discussing possible sleepers. But, I get tired of overblown hype. Keep it real and I’ll try to do the same.

Muhme, did he mean that he was bad news from an off the court standpoint, bad news from a potential standpoint, or did he mean that he would go elsewhere?

3 of those 4 quotes were from the RIVALS BASKETBALL SITE, not UM related at all. Get a clue...

Muhme, did he mean that he was bad news from an off the court standpoint, bad news from a potential standpoint, or did he mean that he would go elsewhere?

Bad news off the court. There has been a decent amount of drama surrounding Beverley's recruitment ranging from he and his people refusing to release his school transcripts to Illinois and coach Weber to his HS coach lying about Patrick's in-game averages to exhibiting 'All Eyez On Me' like arrogance.

He's talented though.

If you guys wanna see commits for your schools they are right here


MSU

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp



UM


http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp




You can see other schools there too, tey have them for 06 and 07.

Thanks Steve. I'm sure all the people who have never followed recruiting in their lives greatly appreciate your links.

Here are two direct quotes from Sonny Vicaro on Patrick Beverley. Now we all know that Vicaro is "Quinn Snyder slimy" but the man does watch a lot of basketball players and knows talent.....

"Beverley was not even on the top 100 list for McDonald's,'' Vaccaro said. "He was one of those non-entity guys who didn't get a big-time name in the summer. He was good last year, and his high school was good. But the kid was still a mystery. This is a kid from Chicago, not from rural Tennessee or Mississippi. The only one I can think of to compare him to is Dwyane Wade.

"Beverley is the best-kept secret in the country. All over America, he is the singular guy who has put himself in an all-star game. All these guys that people recruit and he was going to [Toledo], and now he has a list of major schools after him.''

I personally have never seen him play and it is a little tough for me to imagine a guy that is 6'2" and about 180 to be "like" Dwayne Wade, but this comes from a non-biased person. Vicaro has zero ties to Michigan and this tells you about the kids ability a little bit.

On Rivals there are a couple small videos of Beverley, and here is my take:

pros:
Nice shot, good handles, pretty quick

cons:
out of control(plays faster than he can handle, and he is fast), jacks up shots(multiple clips of him just walking up and jacking 3's), and seems to be a star in his own mind(long celebrations out of the play, sells out for a steal, tries trick dribbles)

I elaborated more on the cons, admittedly, but I felt it warranted explanation.

Overall, I would say a high 3 star, low 4 star guy, who is a SG in a PG body. Has the handles to be a primary ball handler though, so that would help UoM. Shoots rather than passes, and didn't seem to be even looking for a pass(though as a 34 ppg guy, he is the scorer, supposed to be, and probably doesn't have that much support on his team).


I remain convinced that Michigan needs either a big or a PG, and already has plent of SG/SF/PF guys who can shoot, but Beverley is a quality ball handler, and would be a quality get in that point of view.

Here are two direct quotes from Sonny Vicaro on Patrick Beverley.
This is the stuff I like to read. I can believe stuff written by this guy. Good work

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/PATRICKBEVERLY5_10A150.JPG
Concerning Patrick Beverley-



But, claiming that he is rising BIG TIME is a joke. The only source claiming he is rising BIG TIME is The Wolverine.


If things go well for Michigan basketball tomorrow, the Wolverines will have landed two of the nation's top 64 senior prospects. Detroit Pershing 6-8 forward DeShawn Sims leads U-M's class, checking in at No. 31 in the final Rivals.com 150 for the class of 2006, while Chicago Marshall's Patrick Beverley cracks the list at No. 64.


Rivals.com
Beverley, of course, will decide between Michigan and Arkansas in a 3:00 (CST) press conference at his school Wednesday. The 6-2 senior, who led his Marshall team deep into the playoffs, averaged 34 points and six assists per game as a senior.

Sims, meanwhile, finished one spot short of five-star status, coming in a slot behind former U-M target Jason Bennett (Kansas State). He recently scored 23 points and grabbed six rebounds in the Capital Classic all-star game in Washington, D.C. He'll next play in the Jordan Classic at Madison Square Garden in New York April 22.

U-M's two other signees, 6-5 wing K'len Morris of Grand Blanc (Mich.) High and 6-6, 235-pound combo forward Anthony Wright of Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson (Va.) finished as three-star prospects, just outside the top 150.

Here's what his brief summary says on the Rivals150 page says.

Skinny point guard whose stock is rising fast.

Still think he's not rising Tre? From barely a 3 star and a Toledo commit to being ranked the #64 player in the country?

Here's the rivals150 link.http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1428

Still think he's not rising Tre? From barely a 3 star and a Toledo commit to being ranked the #64 player in the country?

PB is definitely rising. Tre jumped the gun on that one. It's too bad that it's looking like he's going to Arkansas though.

Still think he's not rising Tre? From barely a 3 star and a Toledo commit to being ranked the #64 player in the country?

PB is definitely rising. Tre jumped the gun on that one. It's too bad that it's looking like he's going to Arkansas though.

Jack, why do you say that? I know he just got back from his Arkansas visit, and he said it was amazing, but he said the same thing about his visit to AA. I think he's going to be a Wolverine.

From MLive

Meanwhile Beverley continued his climb up the national picture. A three-star prospect just a few months ago, Beverley's stock has sky-rocketed lately. He grabbed the No. 64 national ranking just one day before he is expected to announce his college choice between Michigan and Arkansas.


fingers crossed....today at 3

From MLive

Meanwhile Beverley continued his climb up the national picture. A three-star prospect just a few months ago, Beverley's stock has sky-rocketed lately. He grabbed the No. 64 national ranking just one day before he is expected to announce his college choice between Michigan and Arkansas.


fingers crossed....today at 3

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