As the Zipper said, Dawkins to Minny (maybe with a little Draymond Green in mind as well as the potent SVC) was done at least 10 days ago.

Most of the basketball fans at Highland Park wanted to know if King of the
Court's Delvon Roe was going to play college basketball for Michigan State
or North Carolina.

Roe didn't answer that question Saturday night, but he did give the
spectators their money's worth with a near 50-point performance against a
Team Michigan squad that featured Darquavis Tucker, Corperryale Harris, and
Durrell Summers, and Austin Thornton.

"Tuesday of this week, I'll tell everyone what my decision is," said Roe,
who does admit that his two finalists are Michigan State and North Carolina.
"It came down to knowing which school I wanted to go to and having the gut
feeling that this school is the place for me."

Future Spartan point guard Kalin Lucas believes that gaining a commitment
from Roe would give Michigan State enough talent to make multiple Final Four
runs in the next four years.

"Delvon can bring alot to Michigan State," said Lucas. "He is a big man that
can be a spark. He can rebound, he has good post moves, and he can also
shoot."

Lucas talked to Roe on Friday night, but Roe did not reveal his decision.
Even so, Lucas feels pretty confident that Roe will be announcing for
Michigan State at his Tuesday press conference.

"I want him to play at Michigan State real bad," said Lucas. "He is not
telling me anything yet, but he has told me that he is feeling Michigan
State a lot. Me, Durrell Summers, and Chris Allen tell him that he has to
come to Michigan State. We text him and we call him."

Several factors played into Roe's decision. "I wanted a program where I felt
like I had an opportunity to shine," he said. "I also wanted a program where
I felt like I had the best chance to win a national championship. That is
very important. It is every kid's dream to win a national championship and
to play on a stage like that with thousands and thousands of people watching
you."

LUCAS AND ROE HAVE GOOD CHEMISTRY TOGETHER

Roe played on the same NIKE All-America camp team as Kalin Lucas last
summer. During that time the two developed a strong chemistry on the court
and have stayed in touch since that time.

"We have a good chemistry and you always want to have a good chemistry with
the point guard and be his friend," said Roe. "We have that relationship and
it is easy for us on the court."

Lucas feels the same way. "He is fast," said Lucas, "he'd get a rebound and
pass the ball to me and then I would look up and he'd be the first man down
the court. We play very well together. We talked then about playing at
Michigan State together and I talked to him last night about it too."

Lucas has let Roe know that he would like to see him play at Michigan State.
In fact, Roe has heard from all three of Michigan State's 2007 scholarship
players with Lucas, Chris Allen and Durrell Summers all letting him know
that they would like to see him join them in East Lansing.

Before watching Roe's King of the Court ball club beat Team Michigan, Lucas
told members of the media that he felt like Roe was the last piece of puzzle
for Michigan State to win a couple of national championships in the next
four years.

Hey Jack, can you post a link to that Magic-Roe pic, I gotta get that.

Just click on the thumbnail (it'll bring up the full size pic) and then save it. That's all I did. I think I pulled it off of a SpartanTailgate post.

Just click on the thumbnail (it'll bring up the full size pic) and then save it. That's all I did. I think I pulled it off of a SpartanTailgate post.

Sweet.

So assuming they get Roe how does that rate their class overall in the country do you think? They were pretty high before.

I think they only had one guy before Chris, but he was a top 50ish player and Delvon being a Top Ten player would easily give them a Top 5 class and the fact that they can add another player to the class it could easily at some point become the #1 class if the right player were added.

So assuming they get Roe how does that rate their class overall in the country do you think? They were pretty high before.
Delvon Roe is '08. I think they have Corey Lucious a PG from Milwaukee verballed for '08 as well. I think that does it for schollies in 'o8. This will be a highly ranked class. If Mojo leaves I think that will give them one more schollie for '08.

Right, they'll have one more scholarship available when MoJo leaves. Korie Lucious being the first of the class and hopefully Roe being the second to commit from that class. Have any of you guys watched Lucious play? Unbelievable. The word "electrifying" seems to be the word always used to describe him anytime I read about him. I've read articles about him dating back to his 8th grade days. He actually had a big article comparing him to Isiah Thomas published when he was in 8th grade. If you have a chance to watch him on video, enjoy. He's got those sharp lightning quick AI type of moves to the hoop and a smooth J. His pullup J is sick.

I'll be interested to see who Izzo would add to that class if Roe commits. I bet he'll lay off the top end talent and go for a for sure 4 year guy for the last spot. I guess it would be hard to not go for Ed Davis is it? However, how many roster spots can they fill with superstars?

The announcement comes tomorrow. I'm just praying all the rumors are true about Roe to MSU. Not counting anything as a done deal, until it's official. Tomorrow could be a great day to be a Spartan.

UNC just offered another 2008 power forward, Ed Davis.

Bank on Roe to MSU tomorrow.

I just thought about this..............

Remember when LLP was scheduled to have his press conference to announce between Arizona and Michigan and it was all but a done deal that he was going to Michigan and the day before I believe Legion re-committed to Michigan taking away LLP's schollie and he then committed to Lute Olsen (which is not a bad thing by any stretch of the imagination). I wonder how he is feeling now that there are two open spots at Michigan and there is nothing that he can do about it now that he is signed up to go down south and play for Lute. Obviously, going to Arizona to play basketball would be pimp as all hell, but wouldn't you feel jaded if you got f*cked over like that by someone that isn't even going to your 1st choice of a school............kinda whack!!!

Mojo leaving is not a done deal. The other consideration is that if he does Thornton gets his schollie. Lots of possibilities here in play.

UNC just offered another 2008 power forward, Ed Davis.

Bank on Roe to MSU tomorrow.

I hope we get Davis too if Mojo leaves, he's high on MSU.

I just thought about this..............

Remember when LLP was scheduled to have his press conference to announce between Arizona and Michigan and it was all but a done deal that he was going to Michigan and the day before I believe Legion re-committed to Michigan taking away LLP's schollie and he then committed to Lute Olsen (which is not a bad thing by any stretch of the imagination). I wonder how he is feeling now that there are two open spots at Michigan and there is nothing that he can do about it now that he is signed up to go down south and play for Lute. Obviously, going to Arizona to play basketball would be pimp as all hell, but wouldn't you feel jaded if you got f*cked over like that by someone that isn't even going to your 1st choice of a school............kinda whack!!!

I'd be pissed, but it's pretty much a blessing in disguise-no offense.

Mojo leaving is not a done deal. The other consideration is that if he does Thornton gets his schollie. Lots of possibilities here in play.

Yeah, I know it. I'm kindof wishful thinking honestly. I lose love for players that play no D real quick.

Tre -- How is it a blessing in disguise for LLP to be playing for his second choice? I agree it could be a great situation, but didn't you yourself just claim that Beilein is a great coach? If Beiliein is a great coach and Lute Olsen is a great coach why is it better in the long run to go play in Arizona?

Tre -- How is it a blessing in disguise for LLP to be playing for his second choice? I agree it could be a great situation, but didn't you yourself just claim that Beilein is a great coach? If Beiliein is a great coach and Lute Olsen is a great coach why is it better in the long run to go play in Arizona?

Because Arizona is an Elite basketball program while Michigan is not. Beilein is a great coach, but he has a big task in reviving the program. It will take time. You never know how many years it'll take. Usually at least a few. Arizona on the other hand is stable as always, bringing in great talent, and they'll compete for championships.

Damn it Tre, quit posting in this thread until you get Roe news. Gettin' me all bothered.

Damn it Tre, quit posting in this thread until you get Roe news. Gettin' me all bothered.

haha...I can't freaking wait. 3 hours from the announcement. I think I'm a little pathetic, I seriously woke up excited today because of the announcement. I gotta admit, that's pretty sad. But, I'm still lovin' it, I don't care.

He'll probably put on a Carolina blue hat and ruin my day.

I'm thinking he should head to Arizona, with all that great talent and playing for championships and stuff.

I'm thinking he should head to Arizona, with all that great talent and playing for championships and stuff.

haha

Roe - MSU - Official!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LAKEWOOD, Ohio – Delvon Roe made public just a few moments ago what Michigan State basketball fans have been hoping for since last summer – that he will sign with the Spartans and play college basketball for Tom Izzo in East Lansing.

Legion = Kentucky

ITS OFFICIAL!

Legion = Kentucky

ITS OFFICIAL!

Sweet! I feel it.

Just a question here. It relates to the situation at Michigan but I'm curious about it as an overall thing.
Michigan has open scholarships because someone was released from their LOI.
John Flowers, who signed an LOI with West Virginia was wavering a bit, liked Michigan before the switch, likes Beilein, and was said to be thinking about following Beilein now.
Can Beilein talk to him?
What are the rules with that?

Jethro:
I don't know if there ARE rules governing that. I would think that once a kid has signed with someone, recruiting him is off limits, but I'm sure alot of coaches still have contact with a kid who signs elsewhere because of the relationship they've built. There has got to be some sort of "gentlemen" rules, though. Unwritten agreemenst that coaches won't call on a kid who goes elsewhere (even if things go poorly for the kid).

The interesting thing is I'm sure Huggins would be more than happy to let Flowers go because he may think opening up scholarships can net him some greater talent than Flowers, unless he likes the kid.

Word on Flowers is he's a 3 star but played well in a few tourneys. It doesn't seem like he necessarily does anything incredibly well. A bit of a mid-range jumper guy, but no mention of quickness, range, toughness, etc. A short Courtney Sims that doesn't block shots? Yikes. And yet there was enough of a mutual sell the first time around with Beilein. Maybe Beilein thinks the Block M can simply generate better recruits than Flowers and he's not AS sold on him as he was at WVU. Either way, I'm interesting to see how/if he uses either of these two scholarships left this year.

So does UofM have two kids coming in now? Grady and Manny? Can a Michigan fan knock out what their roster will look like for next year? I'm trying to put the freshmen in place and get an overview of what their roster will look like under Beilien, but I'm sure I'm forgetting some guys.

I'll do that for you Tre, but I'll put it in the Michigan basketball thread.

Sweet, I feel it!

Great quote Tre...sounds like your chances to not make a bowl game again...

I give a shit! I'm no fan of U of Mum. Why would anyone be (in buckets)? However I have said all along that Beilein is a solid hire. He will turn that shit around since he's been making chicken salad from chicken droppings his whole career. The Legion thing is played out. He's a mercenary and A2 doesn't need his type at this stage. Better to add to some nice pieces and get the ship turned around. Next year Legion will be in Lexington worrying if he gets enough touches each game blah x 3. The it will be "should I go pro..." blah x3. I say let Johnny B. get a kid who wants to be there and go forward. Good luck to you.

Legion = Kentucky

ITS OFFICIAL!



Sweet! I feel it.

Tre,

Can we please get past the hating and negativity? Why can't we just grow up and root for our teams. Does it really make you that happy? I don't remember making giddy posts after Nichol decomitted and went to OU. That act is played out.

Here's a positive spin posted by a mod from The Wolverine-

It's finally over.....and I'm grateful.

I was one of those who felt it was a mistake to take Legion back when T.A. and Co. basically pulled the rug out from under Laval Lucas-Perry the same day the kid set his presser (for the following day). Make no mistake, though ... I completely understood why they did it. At that time, Legion was a top-30 or so kid (though many felt he was overrated - and no sour grapes here, this is just fact), and they weren't in any position to turn him away the way recruiting had been going.

Still, I'd have taken LLP over Legion in a heartbeat. I said it to a number of people then, and I'll say it here now. He's a great kid and will be a great teammate, whether he was playing for Amaker, Beilein, Lute, whoever, and he's a solid player, too. That combination wins in a landslide for me.

Durrell Summers - regardless of what people will say, I know for a fact he was extremely disappointed when Legion committed to Michigan. I talked to him minutes after it happened, and his first thought, he said, was, "well, I guess I won't be going to Michigan." And you could hear the disappointment in his voice.

Of course, T.A. was a big reason he liked U-M, too.

Again, though, that was more bad timing than anything ... T.A. and his staff were extremely unlucky in that respect over the past several years. I'm not making excuses for them, but Malik Hairston/Joe Crawford, Legion/Summers, Legion/Lucas-Perry ... well, it just wasn't in the cards.

Alex Legion would not have been a good fit. I'll never forget the phone call I got after he came back from someone close to him ... I included his stats in my column (they were accurate), but got, "now that he's back, you need to get this right. He's averaging 25 points at Oak Hill, and he's 6-5, not 6-4." I shook my head after hanging up, thinking, "what have they gotten themselves into?" He's been pampered, surrounded by people who have given him bad advice, etc., and there have been strong indications that this should not be unexpected, nor viewed as a "devastating blow" (though all has been very well played on Michigan's part). If you had given me a choice to keep four of the five "big fish" (Udoh, D. Sims, Harris, Grady, Legion), these are the four I would have chosen in a heartbeat. And there would have been concerns as to how long No. 5 lasted if, indeed, he did choose to honor his letter of intent.

Tre,
Can we please get past the hating and negativity? Why can't we just grow up and root for our teams. Does it really make you that happy?

I posted, "Sweet, I feel it!" One line, half serious, half to be funny. I could really care less. Funny that in all the paragraphs of trash talk here, one half serious line gets you riled up.

Grow up? Weren't you the one who left a copy of the sports section on my door step just a year ago after UM beat MSU? Grow up? Right Moodini.

Yeah, The Ohio State University, the next college sports dynamo! I send you guys buckeyes for Christmas. JK ugh

Back to recruiting, where does Beilein go from here on the recruiting trail, a PG or a Big man? I think the smooth shooting Paul Williams would be a solid pickup since MSU will probably go big if Joseph transfers. Williams will fit into Beilein's guard oriented offense perfectly. Luke Loucks would also be a great fit in my opinion he has a "good bball IQ and excellant passing ability (Jerry Meyer Rivals.com)"

Yeah, The Ohio State University, the next college sports dynamo! I send you guys buckeyes for Christmas. JK ugh

Back to recruiting, where does Beilein go from here on the recruiting trail, a PG or a Big man? I think the smooth shooting Paul Williams would be a solid pickup since MSU will probably go big if Joseph transfers. Williams will fit into Beilein's guard oriented offense perfectly. Luke Loucks would also be a great fit in my opinion he has a "good bball IQ and excellant passing ability (Jerry Meyer Rivals.com)"

What's up man, welcome! Sounds like you are up on recruiting, that's good. Unfortunately you might be a Wolverine I think-yuck haha

Im pure Green and White, since i am a noob i decided to play it safe for know, believe me i know everyone's name number height and weight on the team. Bryan Tibaldi is from my home town. I just love college recruiting on all levels no matter what team

I posted, "Sweet, I feel it!" One line, half serious, half to be funny. I could really care less. Funny that in all the paragraphs of trash talk here, one half serious line gets you riled up.

Grow up? Weren't you the one who left a copy of the sports section on my door step just a year ago after UM beat MSU? Grow up? Right Moodini.

I have no clue what you're talking about. I heard about that, but had absolutely no involvement. I guess I'm just past the point where I'm going to talk junk and snicker every time MSU has a bump in the road. I'm just going to root hard for my Wolverines. Like I said, I'm not dreading all of the incoming talent at MSU, I'm actually looking forward to seeing what their squad is going to look like.

Tre:
As for the paper on your porch thing, there may be a rogue paperboy in your neighborhood. I hear he does it everyday.

Im pure Green and White, since i am a noob i decided to play it safe for know, believe me i know everyone's name number height and weight on the team. Bryan Tibaldi is from my home town. I just love college recruiting on all levels no matter what team

Bball and I are going to get along reeeeally well. He's got bball in his name, he's repin' the best number (Isiah's/Neitzel's #11), and he's got the Jordan logo displayed. Couldn't be tighter. Then he tops it off by claiming Green and White. Your already my boy Bball11! Go State!

Tre:
As for the paper on your porch thing, there may be a rogue paperboy in your neighborhood. I hear he does it everyday.

haha, must be.

I wonder what lies ahead for Dalhman's role on this future loaded roster. I guess he will back up Raymar at the 3 right? Or will Durrell be sitting there?

I wonder what lies ahead for Dalhman's role on this future loaded roster. I guess he will back up Raymar at the 3 right? Or will Durrell be sitting there?

My guess is that he'll backup Raymar at the 3 position with Durrell/Allen sharing shooting guard duties. But that's only if you really want to slot guys in at certain positions. Izzo will probably mix and match lineups depending on the opponent, who's playing well, and who's in foul trouble.

Just a great problem to have, great talent at every single spot. I honestly feel like there won't be one single weakness after Herzog and the other big men improve and get stronger.

Yeah your right, after Raymar at the three nothing is set in stone with all those guard possibilities, thanks. It is just hard to picture him running with the rest of the g's without seeing him have much exposure last year. He just doesn't seem like the run and gun type.

I see a glaring weakness. It's in The Izzo. He has a tendency to come down with an incredible case of hiccups during crunch time in big games. Last year, there were at least four games where he had to have a bench warmer scare him to help get rid of the hiccups. The problem is, when the players scare him, it kicks his explosive diarrhea into gear, and he shits himself.
It happened last year against George Mason in the NCAA tourney, and it spurred George Mason on to their famous run to the Final Four.
I see a problem at MSU. First, it's Jud Heathcote and his infamous Turrets Syndrome, which caused him to raise both hands up so violently that he had to be restrained by courtside police more than one hundred times during his tenure at MSU, and it caused him to rip his hair out so violently that he had to develop a "comb over" to hide the scars in his scalp that resulted from his violent outbursts.
Now, it's Tiny Tom, who can't get rid of the hiccups, and shits himself so bad that he has been banned from entering thirty seven countries.

What the Fuck?

Zip goes in spurts. He started here with the worst shit ever. I'm talking CCC and Muhme style posts that make you want to talk sports with an elementary school kid because they'll bring better material. Then he got hot for awhile and brought better stuff. Now he's going off the deep end again. Who knows?

In the King James Tourney, Delvon Roe scored 22pts and cashed in a couple of clutch free throws to solidify the wing over Team Breakdown.

Also 2009 MSU recruit Richard Howell had a man's game at the King James he scored 18, rebounded 18, and had 4 steals.

"The five-star sophomore is a difficult player to defend because he is such a great rebounder and good inside and out.Howell is having a productive spring on a 16 and under team playing up on the 17 and under division. The class of 2009 is also a hot target for Michigan State. Tom Izzo watched him closely. The Spartans got in very early and their persistence is paying off.
Michigan State is joined by Texas, Georgetown, Florida and Georgia in this race. Rivals.com" (6'7 215 and had 18 REBS!, reminds of a guy named Raymar Morgan)

Also 2009 MSU recruit Richard Howell had a man's game at the King James he scored 18, rebounded 18, and had 4 steals.

"The five-star sophomore is a difficult player to defend because he is such a great rebounder and good inside and out.Howell is having a productive spring on a 16 and under team playing up on the 17 and under division. The class of 2009 is also a hot target for Michigan State. Tom Izzo watched him closely. The Spartans got in very early and their persistence is paying off.
Michigan State is joined by Texas, Georgetown, Florida and Georgia in this race. Rivals.com" (6'7 215 and had 18 REBS!, reminds of a guy named Raymar Morgan)

I feel it bball! How about Dexter Strickland and Howell in the 09 class and we'll make it 3 straight Top 5 recruiting classes?!

Tre:
Your criticism is valuable; keep it coming.
It'd be easy to generate the draft picks, recruits, forty times and leaping abilities all day long.
I put myself out there, and sometimes I miss, sometimes I hit.
But I'm never afraid to try.
Believe it or not, you do the same thing. Your month long rant against Manny Harris' abilities are a case in point, and we all know where that comes from: He signed with Michigan. If he had signed with The Izzo, you'd be walking around with a Manny Harris boner and you know it. Just keep that in mind when you offer up your insightful critiques of other posters, and when you go on another self righteous bender about how you constantly take the high road when you post.

I feel it bball! How about Dexter Strickland and Howell in the 09 class and we'll make it 3 straight Top 5 recruiting classes?!

Speaking of Strickland...here's a new insider article on Dexter.

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The 6-3 wing guard from Elizabeth (N.J.) St. Patrick HS blended in wellwith the Metro Hawks and was able to help the Metro Hawks in a number ofways as they won their first three games.

"This is a new team for me and I'm just getting a feel for how the guysplay and adapt," Strickland said. "I wanted to get my teammatesinvolved, getting Samardo [Samuels] the ball because he was hot, so Ididn't take many shots.

"My job was to go for rebounds, get my team involved and get assists andwhen my team needs it go to the basket. When you play with a lot oftalent, you've got to give up the ball more."

And he backed up those mature words with mature performances, pickinghis spots to showcase his three-point shooting ability and using hislong arms to snag rebounds and play tough defense.

Strickland said he grew up admiring North Carolina, but a lot of earlyattention from Michigan State has pushed the Spartans into the earlylead.

"Right now, if I had to go to a college it'd be Michigan State," hesaid. "I like Tom Izzo a lot. I like Florida a lot, UNC and UConn andVillanova, too.

While he still has two full years of high school hoops left, Stricklandhas already found time to make some campus visits and hopes to schedulemore in the near future.

"I want to visit UNC and Florida," he said. "I've visited Villanova,Rutgers and MSU already. I want to take a look at UConn, Florida andUNC. Hopefully soon I can check those schools out."
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First to show major interest, two friends that have already committed (Roe/Lucious), and MSU as the leader. I like that start alot. Sounds like there will be heavy competition, but we've got a good chance at another Top 5 player.

Richard Howell, SF, Worldwide Renegades


It is all about production for the sophomore standout. The 6-foot-7 combo forward from Central Gwinnett High School in metro Atlanta was very effective in Akron.Howell is a double-double machine. In one game he scored 18 points and grabbed 18 rebounds.While the five-star forward continues to improve his wing skills, he's maintaining his strength as a rebounder. Howell plays with a great motor, and goes full throttle from tip to final buzzer.Michigan State's Tom Izzo continues to be the most visible head coach in the race for Howell. The Spartans nabbed Chris Allen out of the same region. Georgia coach Dennis Felton also took a look at Howell. Texas, Georgetown and Florida are also in the mix.

Also Draymond Green captured the no.1 ranking in Michigan for 08 rivals (no surprise to me really, he's got game)

There is a rumor going around that Dar Tucker may somehow be heading to BC to play with Josh Southern. I've heard this rumor on three different message boards and it is being floated by some people with very good "knowledge." I don't know of anyway to get out of your LOI once it is signed, but some people are saying that Tuck never actually signed his LOI, but I doubt that is true.

There is a rumor going around that Dar Tucker may somehow be heading to BC to play with Josh Southern. I've heard this rumor on three different message boards and it is being floated by some people with very good "knowledge." I don't know of anyway to get out of your LOI once it is signed, but some people are saying that Tuck never actually signed his LOI, but I doubt that is true.

If Dar didn't sign his LOI I'd be expecting him to go to UM or MSU, but he did, and he isn't going to BC.

Unless something really crazy is going on with voodoo and crap like that.

He did sign the LOI and he wants out big time, but in spite of that he has said he's going to deal with it and honor his commitment. He really wanted to go to State more than anything. I haven't heard anything about the BC rumor. One of the things he's ticked off about is that he wanted to play at least one season with Chandler, and was pretty much given a guarantee that Chandler would stick around another year. When that didn't happen, it really put things over the edge.

It's been known for a while that Vermont's second leading scorer, unheralded true freshman forward Joe Trapani, has been planning to transfer.

Apparently Michigan is one of about 5 schools he's considerring.

He's 6'7", 205. Got no love out of high school. I think he was a 2 star at best. But he shot 40% from downtown (38 of 95). He broke his foot or ankle or something during the Maine game, only played 11 minutes and then missed the next 7 games. In the 8 games once he came back, he played horrible - only averaging 12 minutes per game and 4 points per game. Prior to that he had been averaging almost 16 points per game, including scoring 21 in 28 minutes against Michigan State. Not much of a rebounder, only pulling down 7 or more boards on 5 occasions. Doesn't pass either, having a high of 3 assists only once.

So if this kid ends up at Michigan, I don't expect him to be much of a defender or a prescence on the blocks. But, give him that year off to fully get his game back and get into Beilein's system, he could provide a much needed scoring ability and help spread the court.

There is a rumor going around that Dar Tucker may somehow be heading to BC to play with Josh Southern. I've heard this rumor on three different message boards and it is being floated by some people with very good "knowledge." I don't know of anyway to get out of your LOI once it is signed, but some people are saying that Tuck never actually signed his LOI, but I doubt that is true.
I'm sure DePaul and hooking up alongside Wilson must have looked attractive to Dar. Now NO Wilson. If DePaul has any character they let this kid go and don't hold him prisoner. They need to ask themselves if Tucker would have signed on with no Wilson. I think the answer is a rsounding no.

I'm sure DePaul and hooking up alongside Wilson must have looked attractive to Dar. Now NO Wilson. If DePaul has any character they let this kid go and don't hold him prisoner. They need to ask themselves if Tucker would have signed on with no Wilson. I think the answer is a rsounding no.

They have no character. This is the same school that forked over cash to Dar's mom to help get a commitment. The only reason Dar went to Depaul was because his mom basically forced him to. Chandler was the sole reason he was even 10% okay with it.

They have no character. This is the same school that forked over cash to Dar's mom to help get a commitment. The only reason Dar went to Depaul was because his mom basically forced him to. Chandler was the sole reason he was even 10% okay with it.
Darr says, "Fellas you know that cake you came across with? What say I forget you did that and you let me out of the LOI and we all get on with our lives?" This is just wrong.

Ok, Michigan just added to its recruiting class. It isn't much, but they added a 6'10" center from Alpena. I'm not hyping it or anything because the cat is only 200 lbs and had offers from Northwood, Hillsdale, and some other whack D-II school. So it's not much but he's a preferred walk-on (academic scholarship for engineering). I'm looking at it this way, there isn't much height on this squad so I don't care if you're only 160 lbs, you can't teach height and we didn't need to give up a scholarship. He averaged 19 points per game against class A competition. He can shoot outside and that's Beilein's bag. It's likely he'll redshirt his first year and focus on strength and weight. Ideally they want him to put on about 50 lbs during his stay at Michigan, ending up in the Pittsnogle range. Nobody is saying he's going to have the career Pittsnogle had, but if he can become half of that, the team will certainly benefit. We'll see. It's no Austin Thorton, but it's the best we've got.

I had a chance to watch this guy live at one of my cousin's games @ TC. West. This kid absolutely gets the shit kid out of him by other post guys. He had a great shooting percentage because no one else has legit size in the league to get out and block him. The average size of a Big North center is about 6'4. He is surprisingly quicker than I thought, but gets owned by lack of muscle like Jethro said. I also watched the Alpena vs. Petoskey game and he was completely shut down by 6'1 Mark Hamel who is of the same body frame as Puls. Since his freshman year he had not gained any singnificant muscle, genetically this kid can't put on weight. Here is some video of him against my cousin's team, ignore the hoes in the "make it rain t-shirt." PULS=#34
Go to this website.....
http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=113689

And for the Alpena vs. Cadillac game....(36 pt. performance)
http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=113241

VS Central
http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=111393

Mentioning Petoskey, Dustin Dibble is a guy I would want on my d-1 team as a walk on any day!

For more info on Puls visit the bias Alpena newspaper...

http://www.thealpenanews.com/stories/articles.asp?articleID=4441

6'7" 215pd 5 Star Forward Richard Howell might be a Spartan soon. There is a lot of chirping on the mbs that Howell is ready to commit to MSU. Once I heard this, I immediately went to Rivals and Scout. Rivals has his interest window updated and MSU is HIGH with everyone else medium. This was not the case weeks ago. Scout had an article about Howell possibly committing soon.

I am ecstatic about this buzz. I watched Howell on video and he looks better than Raymar did on video in hs. That's saying alot. He's athletic, shoots the three, handles the rock, rebounds, etc. He's reminds me of some of the stronger NBA shooting guards/small forwards. He's got all kinds of size for that type of position being 6'7", yet he's got guard skills to go with the inside stuff.

We get this one and the anti-Spartans just might bury their heads in the sand for the next 5 years.

Is the 3-point line being moved back a foot in 2008-09? Can anyone confirm that? I heard that rumor going around, wow that will promote zone and more post play wouldn't you think.

DAMN Tre, I think I just shit my pants.

Is the 3-point line being moved back a foot in 2008-09? Can anyone confirm that? I heard that rumor going around, wow that will promote zone and more post play wouldn't you think.

DAMN Tre, I think I just shit my pants.

They're moving it back one foot season after next. Passed yesterday. (5/4/07)

Thanks


Michigan might be closing in on some junior class height in Jason Washburn. Check out his Scout.com profile

He's been on their radar for quite a while now - for months during the Amaker regime, so I've been listening to reports on him for some time. I'm pretty sure all I've heard consistantly is that he can't stay in a game - foul trouble. He's been ranked in the top 100 for the class and as a 4 star as long as I can remember, but I haven't seen much besides being 6'10" to really tell why he's been highly ranked.
So, if I'm putting this al together, Michigan could get 3 big men shortly and none of them would play next year. Trapani, the transfer with the outside shot and broken foot who would sit out a year, could choose Michigan. The preferred walk-on, who is 6'10" and 120 lbs and has offers from midwest community colleges and apparently gets abused by guys that are 6'1" - and will likely redshirt, and then this fould machine who can't stay in a game and only looks built when he stands next to the previously mentioned walk-on. Beautiful. 3 guys that combine for over 20 feet of height and about 400 lbs, and not a single one could even post ME up.

Meanwhile every single 5 star guy with talent in North America is waiting outside Izzo's office to commit so State can have a 437 game winning streak.

Fuck this shit.

Jethro:
Don't despair, your fearless leader Lloyd Carr is about to embark on yet another fun filled football season!

I think the idea of Lucious and Roe playing together for the D-Harris summer team is great. They will build more and more chemistry playing with each other and form a bond that will help assure no de-commits. I'm "feelin it" too Tre.

Here is an article about Roy Williams crying after his loss of Delvon Roe to the Sparties.........

http://www.chapelhillnews.com/107/story/6793.html

Thanks


Michigan might be closing in on some junior class height in Jason Washburn. Check out his Scout.com profile

This Washburn fella makes me laugh when I look him up. He looks like a geeky 10 year old who woke up one morning to find that he grew 3 feet. I'm 6'3" and I'd be drooling if this kid was standing in the paint.

Here is an article about Roy Williams crying after his loss of Delvon Roe to the Sparties.........

http://www.chapelhillnews.com/107/story/6793.html

That article is garbage talk. They have all the details out of line. Roe didn't tell UNC he was going there within the week of his announcement. He made his decision a week before his announcement and let both coaches know. In the article they claim he told Williams he was coming within days of the announcement-bs.

I'm gonna love seeing Roe pound UNC's ass come tourney time.

Dude knockout, fuckin true that shit! UNC are a bunch of bitches like they get offended when a recruit won't step foot on their campus and says no to the gay Carolina Blue. Washburn is a scrawny little fuck and I would pay big money to see him go up against a future Marquise Gray type player in the Breslin. Oh yeah and I forgot about Puls, and possibly the Vermont guy. But you also have to take into account that Beilein's bigs are usually pussies that can only shoot the three ball, and wouldn't mess with the other big boys of the big ten.

Dude knockout, fuckin true that shit! UNC are a bunch of bitches like they get offended when a recruit won't step foot on their campus and says no to the gay Carolina Blue. Washburn is a scrawny little fuck and I would pay big money to see him go up against a future Marquise Gray type player in the Breslin. Oh yeah and I forgot about Puls, and possibly the Vermont guy. But you also have to take into account that Beilein's bigs are usually pussies that can only shoot the three ball, and wouldn't mess with the other big boys of the big ten.

You know, I've thought quite a bit about how the BT coaches will defend Beilein's unique offense, but I didn't think about how he will deal with the most physical conference in the country. I wonder how he'll deal with teams that pound it inside against his weaker inside players? Maybe that's where the 1-3-1 comes into play. Maybe doubling as well. It'll be interesting.

Michigan will just lose their games 91-81 instead of 71-61. No biggie. It should help some Big Ten guys get a little more national love thanks to a 3 point bump in their ppg.

Michigan will just lose their games 91-81 instead of 71-61. No biggie. It should help some Big Ten guys get a little more national love thanks to a 3 point bump in their ppg.

I bet Beilein isn't really feeling the longer three point line year after next. It's going to open that paint up big time for post players.

A mid range jumper counts the same on the scoreboard as a 3 foot bank off the glass.

A mid range jumper counts the same on the scoreboard as a 3 foot bank off the glass.

No, I'm saying Michigan is going to have a hard time defending inside.

It's more room for Roe to dominate and posterize people. Or just spin around them.

It's more room for Roe to dominate and posterize people. Or just spin around them.

Yeeeeeeeah

Lucious and Roe info...

http://www.prepspotlight.com/home/usersubmission/hensley-memorial-run-n-slam-scouting-and-recruiting--free-story#ryzIY89pJ0-8C3zR_Tdjzg

Seems like scout changed up their bball rankings and an interesting shake up it was. I can't believe that Paul Williams dropped to the 30th shooting guard. Sry I put that post of a freshman phenom in the football thread. Here is the article of the mystery man from 2010.

Columbus Northland freshman Jared Sullinger has given a verbal pledge to Thad Matta and the hometown Buckeyes. Sullinger is ranked PrepSpotlight.com’s No. 7 freshman in the country. Sullinger averaged 18 points and 10.3 rebounds last season at Northland which finished 24-1 on the season. It may seem early in the recruiting process for a freshman to commit to a school but this is another Sullinger we’re talking about and after all this is Thad Matta. Sullinger, a 6-foot-7 post player, is the younger brother of former Buckeye J.J. Sullinger, who first played at Arkansas before transferring to Ohio State, and brother Julian Sullinger, who is completing his sophomore year at Kent State. This is the second time Matta has received a verbal commitment from a freshman as he also did from Class of 2008 No. 8-ranked B.J. Mullens from Canal Winchester, who averaged 26.8 points and 13.6 rebounds as a junior this past season. Sullinger will be sidelined for the next few weeks as he’s recovering from a small fracture in his foot. With Sullinger committed expect the Buckeye staff to continue to focus on the Class of 2010 with such players as No. 1-ranked DeShaun Thomas of Ft. Wayne, Indiana and Brandon Knight, a 6-2 wing from Ft. Lauderdale, Florida the No. 3 player in the country.

Thank god MSU has a better coach who can build talent and win games in a team effort. I can't believe that Ohio State is so far ahead of the game in recruiting, even farther than UNC, Duke, Connecticut. God Dammit!

Vermont transfer Trapani apparently headed to Boston College over Michigan. Oh well, still looking for some others to take those scholarships. Anyone.....anyone......Beuler?

Vermont transfer Trapani apparently headed to Boston College over Michigan. Oh well, still looking for some others to take those scholarships. Anyone.....anyone......Beuler?

Beilein definately has an uphill battle on his hands. I hope for his sake since I like what he does offensively, he's not a John L. hire (sweet offense, but can't get the big boys to compete). I can't believe I just compared the two, JLS sucks.

The articles on scout implying that Draymond Green is very interested in Michigan seems like bullshit to me. Green's mom said, "Its the bomb." Ok that was her opinion, and you know how mothers can get. He seemed to never consider Michigan until this point. I really think that MSU just shouldn't pursue him seriously and just try to focus on locks for the 2009 class. (Strickland,Howell,Riley?) Especially with the reports affiliated with Howell,Strickland, and MSU.

The articles on scout implying that Draymond Green is very interested in Michigan seems like bullshit to me. Green's mom said, "Its the bomb." Ok that was her opinion, and you know how mothers can get. He seemed to never consider Michigan until this point. I really think that MSU just shouldn't pursue him seriously and just try to focus on locks for the 2009 class. (Strickland,Howell,Riley?) Especially with the reports affiliated with Howell,Strickland, and MSU.

I agree! I'd much rather have Strickland and Howell. Those are 5 star superstars, no question.

See, these are the situations Michigan needs to cash in on. Right now they don't need to be focused on competing with State straight up. State is one of the best and only seems to be getting better. Along with Ohio State, there's no question they'll be the top two teams in the Big Ten for the next 5 years. But the state of Michigan has SO much talent. If MSU simply doesn't have room for some of the best instate guys, because they're filling their roster with 5 star guys from all over the midwest and the country, Michigan must be in position to take those players and use them to be #3 in the conference. Example, Green and Paul Williams seem to be slipping in the rankings and probably won't have room in East Lansing for either of them. Meanwhile, it would be excellent for Michigan to get them. Don't lose guys to Syracuse, Boston College, Kentucky, Dayton, DePaul, etc. Keep them instate. If they can establish themselves as a pretty good team, they may have a shot. Even if they're second best in the state for a long time, you can be 2nd best in Michigan and still be in the top 20 nationally.

See, these are the situations Michigan needs to cash in on. Right now they don't need to be focused on competing with State straight up. State is one of the best and only seems to be getting better. Along with Ohio State, there's no question they'll be the top two teams in the Big Ten for the next 5 years. But the state of Michigan has SO much talent. If MSU simply doesn't have room for some of the best instate guys, because they're filling their roster with 5 star guys from all over the midwest and the country, Michigan must be in position to take those players and use them to be #3 in the conference. Example, Green and Paul Williams seem to be slipping in the rankings and probably won't have room in East Lansing for either of them. Meanwhile, it would be excellent for Michigan to get them. Don't lose guys to Syracuse, Boston College, Kentucky, Dayton, DePaul, etc. Keep them instate. If they can establish themselves as a pretty good team, they may have a shot. Even if they're second best in the state for a long time, you can be 2nd best in Michigan and still be in the top 20 nationally.

Your last sentence says it all Jethro. Just ask Lloyd. Second best football team in Michigan (behind Grand Valley State) and still ends up ranked in the top 20 year in and year out.

Ben Cronin, a 7 footer, from Syracuse has set a press conference for later today to announce his decision for college. The '08 recruit is down to two schools.....Michigan and Syracuse. He was recruited by Beilien at WVU and loved him there and said that Coach B at Michigan is still great, but with an upgrade. He visited Michigan last weekend and has visited Syracuse a gazillion times, but they only offered a schollie 3 days ago I heard. Most analysts have this at 80/20 Syracuse because of proximity which is very understandable. Looks like Coach B will start off 0 for 2 with recruits, but that means he can only go up from here thankfully.

OK.....scratch that 80/20 thing. Apparently Ben Cronin liked Coach B and has called to confirm his pledge to the University of Blue. First commit is a 7 footer that goes 240 pounds. Averaged 12, 12 and 8 in high school. I would think that any 7 footer could average more than 12 points just on putbacks alone, but at least he isn't 7 feet and 195 pounds. Apparently he also shoots the 3 pointers fairly well and I'm assuming this is one thing that peaked interest in Coach B. I have not heard whether he is a top 150 or 250 player, but it is being reported that he is a 3* per rivals website.

somehow I knew the kid was going to look something like this
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/42/429853.jpg

he's probably already better than Courtney Sims ever was, things are looking up

Cronin is the first commitment in the John Beilein era and leaves the Wolverines with two more scholarships to give for the 2008 recruiting class (assuming no late 2007 targets are added).

Congrats to Beilein another scrawny lil bitch. And ranked behind J. Washburn. Oh well Beilein has got to start somewhere. At least he showed he could pull a recruit from another teams backyard. And Syracuse for that matter.

I'll take it. Beilein has molded guys like him before. If he can somehow add Draymond Green to the recruiting class, it could end up fairly decent. Yeah, both are only 3 star recruits, but it's size and it's better than two stars and walk-ons.

Ya gotta start somewhere!

7 footers usually end up being at least decent no matter how uncordinated they are. When you are that big, you can at least contribute by altering a few shots and gaining a few rebounds. Anything else is a bonus.

Unless your name is Jim Miller 7 footer outta the Valley...ugh

I wonder what this kid can turn into over the next year. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but if Beilein is allowed to tell him different things to work on and if they can give him a specific conditioning program, he could be a little more ready. I suppose the same thing goes for all guys who commit, but I'm thinking some don't need it as badly. Other guys, like cats that are 6'11" and 195, may not be able to add any strength. But if this kid is between 240 and 250, you would think he has the ability to develop his strength.

I wonder what this kid can turn into over the next year. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but if Beilein is allowed to tell him different things to work on and if they can give him a specific conditioning program, he could be a little more ready.

http://www.yousuckmore.com/downloadfile.php?blobId=136

Ok, while I appreciate that this Whack-job is ripped beyond all belief, his act is nowhere near funny and dude needs to pull his freaking pants up because I pretty much just vomited all over the desk.

Sorry about that , Jethro.
I didn't notice the peeking pubes.

I wonder what this kid can turn into over the next year. I'm not exactly sure how it works, but if Beilein is allowed to tell him different things to work on and if they can give him a specific conditioning program, he could be a little more ready. I suppose the same thing goes for all guys who commit, but I'm thinking some don't need it as badly. Other guys, like cats that are 6'11" and 195, may not be able to add any strength. But if this kid is between 240 and 250, you would think he has the ability to develop his strength.

Coaches are allowed to talk to them and they are allowed to give them their conditioning program. However, the problem is that the kid (99% of the time) will not have someone right there to work with them individually with the knowledge needed. For instance, I work with our post players over the whole summer, but I don't know 5% of what college assistants know about post play therefore I can only take a kid so far. I can read, read, read and that helps alot, but most of the time there aren't going to be people there to really give the hands on instruction needed.

It has been rumored that Mojo transfered to Vermont, can anyone back that up?

Coaches are allowed to talk to them and they are allowed to give them their conditioning program. However, the problem is that the kid (99% of the time) will not have someone right there to work with them individually with the knowledge needed. For instance, I work with our post players over the whole summer, but I don't know 5% of what college assistants know about post play therefore I can only take a kid so far. I can read, read, read and that helps alot, but most of the time there aren't going to be people there to really give the hands on instruction needed.

I understand that. But what if a coach was able to work with a kid on a base offense? What if they were able to tell him to work more from a certain area of the floor? What about the weight room?

For example, let's say your top incoming senior, BB, just commited to Western Michigan. I realize he's not really a D1 talent, but imagine for a moment that he was. True, you may not be able to give him everything a college coach could, but your 5%, if it's moving in the right direction, would help - wouldn't it?

Now, from that standpoint, if Western's coach came to you and said, "Hey, we would really like it if BB had about another 10 lbs of muscle, ran a little more, and had some better ballhandling ability before he arrives on campus." - what would your reaction be? Would you say screw you, he's going to do what he's going to do within our system. Or would you say, hey, we can try to work some of that in a little more with him and we'll do our best, but we can't promise anything.
On the one hand, your job is to win high school basketball games. On the other, when a talent comes along, your job is to prepare kids for the next level. If taking this kid and trying to do something a little different with him is better for him in the longrun, but might set your squad back a little bit as he goes through the adjustment, which is the higher priority?
I'll admit, I don't know the answer for that.

I understand that. But what if a coach was able to work with a kid on a base offense? What if they were able to tell him to work more from a certain area of the floor? What about the weight room?

For example, let's say your top incoming senior, BB, just commited to Western Michigan. I realize he's not really a D1 talent, but imagine for a moment that he was. True, you may not be able to give him everything a college coach could, but your 5%, if it's moving in the right direction, would help - wouldn't it?

Now, from that standpoint, if Western's coach came to you and said, "Hey, we would really like it if BB had about another 10 lbs of muscle, ran a little more, and had some better ballhandling ability before he arrives on campus." - what would your reaction be? Would you say screw you, he's going to do what he's going to do within our system. Or would you say, hey, we can try to work some of that in a little more with him and we'll do our best, but we can't promise anything.
On the one hand, your job is to win high school basketball games. On the other, when a talent comes along, your job is to prepare kids for the next level. If taking this kid and trying to do something a little different with him is better for him in the longrun, but might set your squad back a little bit as he goes through the adjustment, which is the higher priority?
I'll admit, I don't know the answer for that.

Most good coaches are going to know what the kid needs to work on for the next level even if they are hs coaches. There are going to be some details that the college coach might request, but I think most hs coaches will already know.

If the coach is a good coach, he's going to think about the kids future. I actually have a perfect example on our team. BB is definately going to be a D2 player. He needs to play the 2 or 3 position in college, but he's a Center for us. But, even though I want to win more than anything, I'd rather him get a full ride and be able to go to school for free and have a great future. That's more important than anything. Therefore, I've been working on his three point game and making changes. It's actually cashing in, he's hitting them regularly in games now. But the way I look at it is, his improvements will help us too, so it benefits both.

For the record, he did a 360 off a cross over the other day and he's perfected the Stackhouse against Duke reverse off a shot fake. Really fun.

Thanks for the insight. I wanted the actual coaches mentality there and it helped a lot.
I'll have to break away from AH games more this year and get out to see him play.

Thanks for the insight. I wanted the actual coaches mentality there and it helped a lot.
I'll have to break away from AH games more this year and get out to see him play.

I was in a hurry last time, so to go into more detail, a player that improves and becomes more capable of handling the ball for example will still help your squad. It'll be the best for both. You're an absolute selfish coach though if you ignore skills needed for the next level so you can win now.

Back to BB, 100% better than last year already. Wait until you see him. Sick.

Ben Cronin, a 7-foot junior center from Henninger High in Syracuse, NY, gave a verbal pledge to Michigan over Syracuse and Buffalo at his press conference Wednesday afternoon.The verbal commitment, John Beilein’s first at the helm in Ann Arbor, comes after Cronin’s recent trip to the Wolverine’s campus in which he was able to spend two days meeting the coaches, players and academic advisors.Cronin is ranked PrepSpotlight.com’s No. 34 center prospect in the country.“I saw him at the Pittsburgh Jam Fest in April and I’ve seen him over the years,” said Prep Spotlight’s John Stovall. “He plays for Syracuse Select. He’s got a big body. He’s 7-foot and probably 265. He’s more of a project but he gives effort and he plays hard.”Cronin averaged 12 points, 12 rebounds and eight blocks at Henninger last season. He has some ceiling room in his development but it will begin with his physique.“Aaron Gray was like him when he went to Pittsburgh,” Stovall said. “Kind of round but he just changed his body after he got there.”Cronin’s has the ability to step outside and shoot the jumper with limited range, which would be a nice fit for Beilein’s offensive system that does well with face-up post players.“His touch is solid,” Stovall said. “I’ve seen him make 14- to 15-footers but I haven’t seen him all the way out to 3-point range.”Recruiting Cronin was a natural for the new Wolverine staff as he’s had a long-standing relationship with Beilein.“He’s been going to Beilein’s basketball camps forever,” Stovall added. “He was a relatively easy get for him. But he’s among the Top 30 to 40 centers in the country.”The Wolverine staff will continue to work on Class of 2008 targets Draymond Green, Matt Humphrey and Tyler Zeller.

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=175#S=175&F=1101&T=525244

A very interesting conversation about Dar Tuckers future. Michigan is in the conversation and a hint of him walking on at State.

Video of Mojo's Vermont visit.
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=6527276&nav=menu183_4_3

MoJo leaves and we have a schollie.

**drool**

Yes! MoJo out, Dar in?

I really don't see the Dar thing happening. How is he going to get out of his LOI? Not gonna happen.

Given his situation with his Mom, I don't know that I want that crap. I would love to have him as a player, although I think he'd need a little attitude adjustment because I haven't been thrilled with his attitude since last year. Now, I don't blame Dar for all the bs that went on with his recruitment because it was the shady people around him. He wanted to go to MSU all along. So for that I want him. But I just don't like the shady baggage even if it isn't his fault.

I can't help but daydream about the idea of Lucas, Summers, Allen, Thornton, and Tucker all in one class! That would bump them up to #1 recruiting class no doubt. Just don't see it though.

I haven't had a chance to see Tucker since I'm down here in the sunshine state, but everything I've seen on rivals has been impressive. That would be a nice pickup.

http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=175#S=175&F=1101&T=525244

A very interesting conversation about Dar Tuckers future. Michigan is in the conversation and a hint of him walking on at State.

Video of Mojo's Vermont visit.
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=6527276&nav=menu183_4_3
Not happenin'. Promises have been made to incoming players. Dar would be llooked upon as an interloper. He's a great kid too by all accounts but he had his offer and dilly-dallied and others stepped up. The Mojo thing is complicated. He, if he were to stay, graduates this year with a year of elgibility left. If I have this understood correctly,this frees up a schollie. It is also my understanding that there may be "qualifying issues" presently with Dar. I'm with Tre on this one. No room at the Inn. Could be a prep school dealio though and some Green & White the following year?? I'll be watching.

Mojo is as good as gone says greenandwhite.com who is going to get his scholarship..... An 08 or 09 player

Mojo is as good as gone says greenandwhite.com who is going to get his scholarship..... An 08 or 09 player

Whoever it is will be a huge upgrade. When MoJo was brought in, MSU was a little down in terms of recruiting. Now that MoJo is leaving, MSU happens to be one of the hottest if not the hottest program in the country in terms of recruiting therefore MoJo will be replaced with a 4 or 5 star player. Great news, good luck to him.

If anyone else checked the new team bball rankings on rivals, did you feel msu was a little underrated?

I just checked out the new rankings and they all look fine to me, but I had a question for Sparties.....

Whatever happened to J.J. Hickson? I know he was from Chris Allen's area and I know he had interest in MSU but I see that he is going to hang out with Glenn's boy Sid Lowe in North Carolina. Was it simply a scholarship issue or did they not want to scare off Rowe? Also, what ever happened to Tom Herzog's academic scholarship that he had last year? I remember Tre saying that Herzog was crazy smart and was getting an academic schollie.

I just checked out the new rankings and they all look fine to me, but I had a question for Sparties.....

Whatever happened to J.J. Hickson? I know he was from Chris Allen's area and I know he had interest in MSU but I see that he is going to hang out with Glenn's boy Sid Lowe in North Carolina. Was it simply a scholarship issue or did they not want to scare off Rowe? Also, what ever happened to Tom Herzog's academic scholarship that he had last year? I remember Tre saying that Herzog was crazy smart and was getting an academic schollie.

I followed Hickson a little, but not enough to know the scoop on him. I do know that Roe was option #1, #2, #3, etc.. They wanted him more than anybody else. Herzog wasn't the only one that could have possibly received an academic scholarship, there was more talk about Naymick I believe. I think he's carrying like a 3.9 or something. They were looking into that option to free up more room last year. But now that isn't needed at all. They don't need anyone else coming in. The roster is going to be a little overloaded as it is in the next couple of years.

Question - what's to keep a team from taking the bright kids and giving them the academic scholarship all the time? Beyond that, what about padding the academic accomplishments of the halfway decent kids and giving them that scholarship? I'm asking this for both football and basketball. I realize this is the hoops thread, but I'll give an example from football. The stud TE that just committed to UM has a 4.2 GPA. Why in the world would Lloyd use a fball scholarship if he can get the kid all the same benefits with an academic scholarship and keep an extra fball scholarship? And where does the NCAA draw the line?

Question - what's to keep a team from taking the bright kids and giving them the academic scholarship all the time? Beyond that, what about padding the academic accomplishments of the halfway decent kids and giving them that scholarship? I'm asking this for both football and basketball. I realize this is the hoops thread, but I'll give an example from football. The stud TE that just committed to UM has a 4.2 GPA. Why in the world would Lloyd use a fball scholarship if he can get the kid all the same benefits with an academic scholarship and keep an extra fball scholarship? And where does the NCAA draw the line?

To that add this: What if a kid is a great afleet, and his mom and pops are loaded, so they don't have a problem paying the kid's tuition so he doesn't take up a scholarship?
I know that's weird, but maybe they even have a philanthropy bone, and realize some kid who is poor but maybe wouldn;t get a scholarship that their kid would take.

A kid has to have attended the school for one year already to get the academic schollie, and can't have recieved athletic money(I think).

This is a video of the TOC Gibbons tournament championship game between the Indiana Elite and King of the Court (Aka the "Roe Show")

Players of Interest:

Indiana Elite- King of the Court-
T. Zeller (U of M recruit) D. Roe (Michigan State commit)
W. Offutt (OSU commit) K. Frease (Xavier commit)
L. Jackson (Indiana recruit)

http://www.turnerinternetsports.com/27_game3.asx

This is a video of the whole game and I advise that you watch the whole thing if you have the time. It was a pretty exciting game and included good showings by Roe and Zeller. I was really impressed with Roe's improvements in the outside game. He popped tre's and even brought the ball up the court. He just proved to me how hard of a worker he is, which was in front of the hometown Tar-Heel fan base, and I'm sure that someone representing UNC was there (Maybe coach Roy). Tyler Zeller is a scrawny kid that can really kick some ass down there. He plays up to every pound of his 200-220 frame. He was also said to have had 7'2 height. If so he runs the floor really well for that height, as did Roe of course. Beilein's offensive system has Zeller's name written all over it, but can Beilein get him there?

Good work bball! Excellent find.
I of course won't watch one second of it, but I'm sure others will. Keep it up!

Zeller would be the highest ranked recruit Beilein has EVER landed. Yeah, not holding my breath, because it would be way too tight.

http://www.hooptv.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=119&Itemid=1

lol, Willie Warren completely posterized this guy with his cock down his throat, and best of all he gets a technical for it. :)

THAD MATTA AT IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently Thad has locked up a kid from the 2010 class that is supposedly a top 5 or 10 type player for his class. It is getting disgusting how he keeps on pulling kids to the magnet known as tO$U.

The kid that Matta got is DeShaun Thomas from the state of Indiana. Thomas is widely recognized as the #1 player in the country for the class of 2010 as of right now. This means that Matta has pulled in the #1 player in Thomas and the #4 player in J.J. Sullinger and they are still in H.S. for 3 more fricking years. I seriously hate Matta with a sickening passion. He definitely deserves his props, but this streak is gotta be one of the sickest ever in terms of recruiting. The funniest thing about all of this is that I don't think he has had to go outside of the Midwest to get a kid and routinely is pulling in Top 5 type classes. I don't know what they use to mix the kool-aid in Columbus, but if they don't start sharing there will be a National Title train going through there eventually!!!

Scary, too, that Matta is only FORTY years old. He could be doing this for another 20 years.

The kid that Matta got is DeShaun Thomas from the state of Indiana. Thomas is widely recognized as the #1 player in the country for the class of 2010 as of right now. This means that Matta has pulled in the #1 player in Thomas and the #4 player in J.J. Sullinger and they are still in H.S. for 3 more fricking years. I seriously hate Matta with a sickening passion. He definitely deserves his props, but this streak is gotta be one of the sickest ever in terms of recruiting. The funniest thing about all of this is that I don't think he has had to go outside of the Midwest to get a kid and routinely is pulling in Top 5 type classes. I don't know what they use to mix the kool-aid in Columbus, but if they don't start sharing there will be a National Title train going through there eventually!!!

If he's getting these kids to commit, then he's doing something illegal. I talked to SVSU's coach a week ago and asked him about the rules regarding recruiting young players like this. He said that they can not invite players that young, contact them, or anything. A player would have to visit on his own free will without contact and once he's on campus, they could offer him a scholarship. I highly doubt freshmen in hs are saying, "hey, I think I'll go to Columbus this weekend and maybe something cool will happen."

Yeah I see what you mean Tre, at least MSU can keep up because they have better coach.

Both Strickland and Howell list MSU as high over everyone else on rivals.

Hope we get them both. Imagine adding two more 5 stars!

Hope we get them both. Imagine adding two more 5 stars!

Make that three 5 stars....don't forget about D.Riley!

I think I'm going to sloodge!

(j/k props.)

In the state title game it looked like Riley had no offensive game what so ever. Hopefully he can develop that over 2 more years.

If he's getting these kids to commit, then he's doing something illegal. I talked to SVSU's coach a week ago and asked him about the rules regarding recruiting young players like this. He said that they can not invite players that young, contact them, or anything. A player would have to visit on his own free will without contact and once he's on campus, they could offer him a scholarship. I highly doubt freshmen in hs are saying, "hey, I think I'll go to Columbus this weekend and maybe something cool will happen."

I don't get it. Thad can't contact these kids and yet you have top 5 classes lined up for the next three years? I would really like to know the exact rule and find out how, if, or why the NCAA doesn't seem to do crap to enforce it.

Not 100% here, but I believe if the player initiates contact then the coach is allowed to recruit the kid.

So if Matta walks in with a sign saying "HEY KID, I'M THAD MATTA", and the kid walks over, says, "Yeah, I'd like to know more about OSU" then it's cool.

But it's still BS and too early(even though everyone, from Matta to Izzo to K to Beilein do it).

Not 100% here, but I believe if the player initiates contact then the coach is allowed to recruit the kid.

So if Matta walks in with a sign saying "HEY KID, I'M THAD MATTA", and the kid walks over, says, "Yeah, I'd like to know more about OSU" then it's cool.

But it's still BS and too early(even though everyone, from Matta to Izzo to K to Beilein do it).

Agreed 100%

Most HS kids don't know up from down until halfway through their junior year, if then even. To have the influences and pressures from AAU and college coaches before that is a huge problem. "We" give them crap for being academic disasters and yet they have all these distractions. I'm not making excuses for their academics, because for many they certainly allow themselves to be lazy in that aspect, but coaches are messing with their lives long before they can handle it on any level.

I posted the exact rule Jethro. The coach can not make contact. If the kid makes contact then it is okay. For example, Chris Allen was a life long Spartan fan and he contacted Izzo early. That is where the AAU coaches come into play and hs coaches can help the contact take place too which helps.

Agreed 100% Most HS kids don't know up from down until halfway through their junior year, if then even.
I'm going to disagree, Jethro. I think most kids grow up wanting to play for a certain school, being a fan of that team. When the process gets going, I believe the confusion starts, beginning with the fact that a kid now knows he has a choice.
Take me, for example: I knew, when I was about 8, that I wanted to go to Michigan, and it was a mere formality that when I turned 18, Michigan KNEW they wanted me to go to hell.

I posted the exact rule Jethro. The coach can not make contact. If the kid makes contact then it is okay. For example, Chris Allen was a life long Spartan fan and he contacted Izzo early. That is where the AAU coaches come into play and hs coaches can help the contact take place too which helps.

The coach cannot make contact until when? That's my question. Junior year? Senior year? Obviously the coach CAN make contact at some point, but when is that point?

The coach cannot make contact until when? That's my question. Junior year? Senior year? Obviously the coach CAN make contact at some point, but when is that point?

According to SVSU's coach, they can't make in person contact until their Senior year. That's why you'll often see the coaches after the game talking to the hs coaches and not the players themselves. But, like I said, if the player makes the contact, then the coach can offere them a scholarship, show them around, etc. I believe they can however send letters and things like that prior to their senior year. Maybe D2 rules are different though, but I doubt it.

I guarantee they can send letters (or at least they do) before their senior year because I've seen the letters that have come into the HS mail room for a number of our underclassmen from different schools - D1.

Luke Babbit decommits from Ohio State for Nevada.

Sparty fans need to dig a little deeper here in this thread. There is some HUUUUUUGE news out there that you are somehow missing. I honestly can't believe you have yet to post it, but keep digging.

Sparty fans need to dig a little deeper here in this thread. There is some HUUUUUUGE news out there that you are somehow missing. I honestly can't believe you have yet to post it, but keep digging.

What are you talking about? Didn't see any developments on Rivals or Scout. Seems like they'd have "HUUUUUUGE news" up on their page. Why don't you just post it?

I saw it on rivals the other day and it was all over the message boards at MSU and tO$U. I'm really shocked nobody ran across the article based on what happened last week.

I saw it on rivals the other day and it was all over the message boards at MSU and tO$U. I'm really shocked nobody ran across the article based on what happened last week.

Why are you playing games? Why not just post it if it is that big?

I'm not a Michigan State fan or an Ohio State fan so to me it really doesn't matter eithe way. I was simply saying I was surprised that no one on the board had come across it yet seeing as how it was published on multiple sites. Sorry for the uproar.

I'm not a Michigan State fan or an Ohio State fan so to me it really doesn't matter eithe way. I was simply saying I was surprised that no one on the board had come across it yet seeing as how it was published on multiple sites. Sorry for the uproar.

The Deshaun Thomas stuff?

That's the only thing I can think of.

OSU might loose a scholorship in basketball for Oden's early departure?

*ding* *ding* DSC is the winner of today's game. It sounded like bigger news to me, but maybe nobody else thought it was that big.

*ding* *ding* DSC is the winner of today's game. It sounded like bigger news to me, but maybe nobody else thought it was that big.

OSU still probably has the best shot at him, and he his 3 1/2 years from college games, so that's why I don't think it's a huge deal. However, he'll probably visit MSU now, and that's good.

In other news - MoJo officially off to Vermont.

But he did list MSU last in the list that I saw and that means his chances of going there go up right?

But he did list MSU last in the list that I saw and that means his chances of going there go up right?

Yeah. I think that we'll get a better feal as to how big of news this is in about a year.

Oh, the Thomas situation. I didn't think it was that big just because I knew what was coming. Some superstar sensation freshman announces OSU, then decommits, whatever. Do I want him at State? Sure, maybe the next Lebron they say. However, as obsessed as I am with recruiting, I can't get into following freshmen. We all know he'll commit and decommit a half a dozen times before his senior year.

What uproar Filly? I just wondered why you didn't post it if it was big, that's what the threads are for.

This convo will probably be interesting a few years from now.

With Mojo gone Izzo said he would not use Joseph’s scholarship for next season.

“We have two commitments (for the 2008-2009 season) and we need a big guy, so we’ll go after a big guy hard,’’ he said.

He is talking about the Roe, Lucious class so predictions anyone? PF or C size?
I'd be really pissed if it were Washburn (scrawny shit/UofM type center), because he isn't an Izzo type player if ya know what I mean. He should probably just lock up DayDay if it where to be for 08. But there sits D. Riley in 09.

With Mojo gone Izzo said he would not use Joseph’s scholarship for next season.

“We have two commitments (for the 2008-2009 season) and we need a big guy, so we’ll go after a big guy hard,’’ he said.

He is talking about the Roe, Lucious class so predictions anyone? PF or C size?
I'd be really pissed if it were Washburn (scrawny shit/UofM type center), because he isn't an Izzo type player if ya know what I mean. He should probably just lock up DayDay if it where to be for 08. But there sits D. Riley in 09.

If Izzo can get Draymond Green, that's exactly who he'll take. Mark that down. That may conflict with the quote above, but I'm telling ya that Green is a priority.

I know we talked a bit about when recruits can be contacted and had some questions about that.

I talked to Coach Mathews of SVSU today and he said that contact can be made by coaches on Friday. That is the first day they can initiate contact. So things should heat up this coming week.

If Izzo can get Draymond Green, that's exactly who he'll take. Mark that down. That may conflict with the quote above, but I'm telling ya that Green is a priority.
Agreed, its Green. I don`t think a Green commitment would dissuade Riley. Green could play a 4 while Riley played a 5. Also, when Riley is not playing Izzo could run Green as the 5. Ya know, mix it up a little. I think there is room for both. However, I am not saying that both will go to MSU. I am saying I think Izzo is going to go after Green and probably has a pretty fair chance of getting him.

I don't understand the hot/cold on Green from Spartan fans. First it sounds like he's a huge priority, then it sounds like he's a plan B, then he's worthless so they aren't even paying attention to him which is apparently the ONLY reason he even visited Ann Arbor, now it's someone Izzo absolutely wants again? What gives? Some of you have been more hot/cold on Green than Moodini on UM hoops.

I don't understand the hot/cold on Green from Spartan fans. First it sounds like he's a huge priority, then it sounds like he's a plan B, then he's worthless so they aren't even paying attention to him which is apparently the ONLY reason he even visited Ann Arbor, now it's someone Izzo absolutely wants again? What gives? Some of you have been more hot/cold on Green than Moodini on UM hoops.
I think Green was viewed as plan B when Roe was still available. Now that Roe is signed, Green has become the top priority big. He would add a nice dimension to the team. Depth, toughness and good court sense. Kind of like Andre Hutson. However, you know how fans are, fickle as a dill pickle. If it ain`t briny, they`re whiny.

However, you know how fans are, fickle as a dill pickle. If it ain`t briny, they`re whiny.

Huh?

Huh?

No shit.
Try to speak at least a semblance of English, son.

I guess Izzo probably views it as if Delvon Roe leaves after two years he has a solid backup at PF until he gets a stud in the 2010 class.

How many scholarships are open for 2009 again?

I don't understand the hot/cold on Green from Spartan fans. First it sounds like he's a huge priority, then it sounds like he's a plan B, then he's worthless so they aren't even paying attention to him which is apparently the ONLY reason he even visited Ann Arbor, now it's someone Izzo absolutely wants again? What gives? Some of you have been more hot/cold on Green than Moodini on UM hoops.

I've maintained my stance on Green the entire time. He wasn't a top priority before we had Roe. He wasn't a top priority with any of our original scholarships. He is the top priority for the Mojo scholarship. That is a scholarship they didn't plan on having.

Now, I still question whether or not he can be great at the next level. He's 6'6" with a nice shot and good vision, however he's too small to play inside and too slow to play outside. Bukdow, no offense but he's not going to play 4 and he DEFINATELY can never play 5. I'm guessing you haven't seen him play. He's a guard in a thick 6'6" body. He plays very well, but I'm luke warm at best on his upside.

I guess Izzo probably views it as if Delvon Roe leaves after two years he has a solid backup at PF until he gets a stud in the 2010 class.

How many scholarships are open for 2009 again?

5 as of today, w/ Green, 4.

Strickland, Howell, Riley, and Wilson would be a good target haul.

5 as of today, w/ Green, 4.

Strickland, Howell, Riley, and Wilson would be a good target haul.

Imagine that crew following Lucas, Summers, Allen, Thornton, Lucious, and Roe.

W-O-W

Huh?
Dill pickle was the noun that I was comparing a fan (also a noun) to. One of the main attributes of a dill pickle is to be briny (salty, tangy). So if a fan is as fickle as a dill pickle, they will be upset (whiny) if things aren`t briny. Imagine a cucumber soaked in water, pretty tasteless. A cucumber in water is how some fans view things when the situation isn`t ideal (briny). Therefore, "fickle as a dill pickle. If it ain`t briny, they`re whiny." Its a simile son. I keep pitchin` `em and you keep missin` `em.

I've maintained my stance on Green the entire time. He wasn't a top priority before we had Roe. He wasn't a top priority with any of our original scholarships. He is the top priority for the Mojo scholarship. That is a scholarship they didn't plan on having.

Now, I still question whether or not he can be great at the next level. He's 6'6" with a nice shot and good vision, however he's too small to play inside and too slow to play outside. Bukdow, no offense but he's not going to play 4 and he DEFINATELY can never play 5. I'm guessing you haven't seen him play. He's a guard in a thick 6'6" body. He plays very well, but I'm luke warm at best on his upside.
No, I have never seen him play, but I can`t imagine someone his size (weight, morphology) being able to play guard. Seems like he would be too slow, at least defensively. He still sounds intriguing.

No, I have never seen him play, but I can`t imagine someone his size (weight, morphology) being able to play guard. Seems like he would be too slow, at least defensively. He still sounds intriguing.

You're right, that's why I'm not highER on him. He played phenomenal last year. He was clearly the best player on the floor again Mr. Manny's squad and both announcers agreed if the Michigan fans want to claim goggles.

He's strong, shoots well, and can get inside with strength. However, quickness would be a huge issue. I think he'd have to get quicker and play the 3 spot (SF).

I think all those things make him a better fit in Beilein's offense than in Izzo's, but he'll win more with Izzo. I really can't blame him either way if it comes down to those two.

By the way, with the dumbass pickle take, I understood it. The huh had more to do with why you would bring such a retarded simile in here. Keep up the crappy work though. It's good for a laugh somehow.

I think all those things make him a better fit in Beilein's offense than in Izzo's, but he'll win more with Izzo. I really can't blame him either way if it comes down to those two.

By the way, with the dumbass pickle take, I understood it. The huh had more to do with why you would bring such a retarded simile in here. Keep up the crappy work though. It's good for a laugh somehow.
Nothing crappy about my simile. Evidently it was a little too intangible for you. Alas, what should I expect from an SVSU grad who has blue and yellow dreams.

However, I do agree with you that Green would fit better in Bielein`s system. He would be allowed to shoot from the outside without having to play the conventional post or inside really at all.

You guys may want to look into Beilein's offense a little more. His offense is not spotting everybody up and shooting threes. It's a 4 guard out motion offense in which the guards are expected to make quick curl cuts off of their post players. They must be able to beat their man on cuts to the hoop. Once they beat the D with quick cuts to the hoop for easy buckets, the screener pops out and that's when the threes come into play. That's why Pitsnoggle (sp?) got off so many threes, he was the screener in that offense.

I don't know that Green would be suited to make those quick cuts and free himself. WV fed off of light weight guards that could make quick cuts. Green would be more suited to an offense that would allow him to use his strength at times.

With that being said, Green is making his decision by June 29th. He is at Michigan State right now for a big time shootout featuring teams from as far out as California. MSU, Michigan, and Indiana are currently recruiting the hardest according to Dawkins (Sag. head coach). In addition, Green looks completely different already. He has dropped serious weight. It will be interesting to see how that impacts his quickness. He looks like a completely different player than the one I watched last year. In the end, I believe he's a Spartan.

Here's why Green would be good in an offense like that. As a really big guard, he can set hard perimeter picks with a gentle roll for an open 20 footer, which he can bury. He has excellent court vision and even if he isn't quick enough to make the cut himself, he can find the cutter better than most his size. If he gets on the block against a smaller guard or lighter but quicker small forward, he can post the player up in leiu of the cut. It's an adaption to the Beilein offense that I think JB would find a way to execute and make it a great mismatch for parts of a game. The rest would have to come through player development.

Here's why Green would be good in an offense like that. As a really big guard, he can set hard perimeter picks with a gentle roll for an open 20 footer, which he can bury. He has excellent court vision and even if he isn't quick enough to make the cut himself, he can find the cutter better than most his size. If he gets on the block against a smaller guard or lighter but quicker small forward, he can post the player up in leiu of the cut. It's an adaption to the Beilein offense that I think JB would find a way to execute and make it a great mismatch for parts of a game. The rest would have to come through player development.

Once again, you need to research Beilein's offense. Green is a guard and guards don't set the screens in that offense. Green posting up? Well, maybe Beilein can adapt, but I've never ever seen him do anything like that in his offense. You are speaking of an offense with some power inside (something MSU does with Raymar), Beilein is not about power whatsoever. I rarely see his Center post up let alone a guard.

Awesome scene in EL this weekend as Delvon Roe traveled in to join Korie Lucious team in the Michigan State Shootout. The very best teams in the state and some out of the state were there and Lucious and Roe put on a show taking the whole thing.

Roe absolutely dominated as he received alley oops from Lucious, his future Spartan teammate. I can't wait to see what the future holds for the Spartans.

Helllllllzz Yeeaaaaa!

Can't wait to get my season tickets for the next 3 seasons

Helllllllzz Yeeaaaaa!

Can't wait to get my season tickets for the next 3 seasons

Could there be a better time to get season tickets? I don't think so.

Seeing two absolute studs like that standing side by side wearing Spartan jerseys gives me chills. Can't freaking wait.

My reference to posting up comes after some of Beilein's comments after Tim McCormick ran the big man camp in Ann Arbor. Beilein was eating it up, stopping it several times for questions, and discussing how he could use it.

Could there be a better time to get season tickets? I don't think so.

Seeing two absolute studs like that standing side by side wearing Spartan jerseys gives me chills. Can't freaking wait.
I agree, Roe and Lucious are going to be outstanding. But here is the thing, MSU has Lucas, Summers, and Allen coming in this season. The talent on this team is going to be incredible. Oh, I almost forgot, Herzog suits up along with the three freshmen. Shit, I forgot about Thornton. The future is very bright.

Green could fit in very well in a Granger/Lorbek role of a big who plays at the top of the key and has the jump shot/drive option.

And apparently there might be another guy MSU is targeting too be determined.

I agree, Roe and Lucious are going to be outstanding. But here is the thing, MSU has Lucas, Summers, and Allen coming in this season. The talent on this team is going to be incredible. Oh, I almost forgot, Herzog suits up along with the three freshmen. Shit, I forgot about Thornton. The future is very bright.

Oh, don't get me wrong with my "Can't wait" comments. This year is going to be so much fun. Big Ten and National Championship chances are strong.

This was rumored on Mlive if you didn't catch it...

Heard Sam Hosey of Prepspotlight this morning talking with Sam Webb on WTKA- Ann Arbor this morning. Said that Draymond Green will decide by the end of the month and he thinks Green will select UM because of playing time issues. Said that UM is recruiting Green harder than MSU. We will see in the next week or so if he is correct.

This was rumored on Mlive if you didn't catch it...

Heard Sam Hosey of Prepspotlight this morning talking with Sam Webb on WTKA- Ann Arbor this morning. Said that Draymond Green will decide by the end of the month and he thinks Green will select UM because of playing time issues. Said that UM is recruiting Green harder than MSU. We will see in the next week or so if he is correct.

Interesting. If that is true and one of Green's main priorities is playing time, then I don't want him. I hope he's not thinking that way. But, if he is, go to UM. Seems like the guys that talk playing time right away (Hairston, Crawford) end up being guys you don't want around. State doesn't need players that are concerned about PT because PT is going to be hard to come by unless you are playing at an extremely high level.

I get the PT thing. Hopefully I'm not straying here but don't you think that if Jonas Gray selects MSU over U-M in FB the PT thing will be a major consideration? Like Tre says, PT will be given to those who earn it. However they shake out those hombres are going to be setting the bar high. Good luck to Dray wherever he chooses. I haven't heard squat about Minny withDawkins/Green going as a package deal to the "Tubster". I'm thinking that scenario is still alive. I've never seen Green play but I'm thinking he'd be showcased in the Twin Cities.

That doesn't say much for his confidence if he is scared of the lack of PT he would get in E.L. Or this may be a sign that Izzo has told Green straight up that he would be a 3 or 4. With stud targets like Wilson, Van Treese, Howell, and White(new 5 star SF target on rivals) he will forever be a bench player. Beilein can court this kid to whatever position he likes and probably promise a starting or 6th man spot as a Sophomore. In regards to Minnesota I haven't seen a single article relating Green to the Gophers. He would definetly be showcased there because their team completely blows, and probably couldn't beat Oak Hill, Dominguez, Norcross, or Simeon high schools.

"In regards to Minnesota I haven't seen a single article relating Green to the Gophers."

The Minny offer lingers from Tubby's offer and Greens acceptance of a Kentucky offer. It was announced more than a month ago that Dawkins, a former player of Tubby's and now the Saginaw coach, would be an assistant at Minny. Then nothing more was heard. Minny is checked as one of 5 offers Draymond is entertaining. Maybe Dawkins offer there hinges on delivering Green? Whatever. Green would be the show. Big Fish in a small pond.

So is Dawkins for sure leaving Saginaw High or is it only if he delivers Draymond? Saginaw High will be the #1 team in the state possibly and will have a real good chance to repeat as State Champs.........but being an assistant for Tubby wouldn't be terrible either.

Being an assistant to Tubby wouldn't be bad, if the job lasted much longer than the Gopher career of Green.

There is talk about Green with regards to MSU.

It is easy to say something bad about a kid when you think he is not coming, but I guess we will see some serious ass kissing if he goes to MSU.

There is talk about Green with regards to MSU.

It is easy to say something bad about a kid when you think he is not coming, but I guess we will see some serious ass kissing if he goes to MSU.

Maybe you ought to read up before making stupid comments. If you read through past posts, you'll see several Spartans here who have been critical of Green's weaknesses even when it looked like he was coming to MSU. I for one have said that he's too slow for the SF position and too small for the PF position, however I'd welcome him as a Spartan in hopes of him improving.

He said during the season that State was his #1 choice and I still doubted him.

There is talk about Green with regards to MSU.

It is easy to say something bad about a kid when you think he is not coming, but I guess we will see some serious ass kissing if he goes to MSU.

If the Sparties had any more shit on their lips, we could use their faces to fertilize all of Canada.

Green is short, fat, unathletic, and very talented.

And I'm sticking to it.

Green is short, fat, unathletic, and very talented.

And I'm sticking to it.

Yeah, I think pretty much anyone agrees that wherever he ends up he needs a good conditioning program in order to realize his full potential, so I'm not here calling out anyone for saying that. There are plenty of hypocritical comments around here, but that's not one of them. Read a long article today in The Wolverine about Green. Says he's not afraid to compete for PT and he could be part of a legacy at State, but the style of play might not fit his game as well as some other places, which is why he's looking around.

Roe scores 37 in the USA youth team game.

Roe scores 37 in the USA youth team game.

Nice!

I really don't care where Green goes honestly, but for some reason I'm intrigued by the recruitment probably because both MSU and UM are recruiting him and that doesn't happen all that often where it's actually a competition. Just like UM wins the majority of recruiting battles in fball, bball for State is one sided. But it seems like both have a fair shot here.

If State got him, I'd be happy to see a Saginaw kid play for State. If UM got him, I wouldn't be all that upset about it and I'd be excited to see which 4-5 star player Izzo used the schollie on to compare to Green in the future. Only thing I wouldn't like is UM establishing a relationship with Saginaw High.

Green is announcing 1:30 on Thursday.

Green has said he is a better player than Roe. I am betting he goes green.

If Green goes to Ann Arbor, Delvon Roe will fuck his ass up.

If Green goes to Ann Arbor, Delvon Roe will fuck his ass up.

If they ever match up against one another (unlikely IMO) I agree. Green sounds confident but a little retarded. Better than Roe? On what planet?

If they ever match up against one another (unlikely IMO) I agree. Green sounds confident but a little retarded. Better than Roe? On what planet?

Okay, I'll be excited if he commits to MSU because commitments from 4 stars is always cool. But, I sure hope he didn't say he's better than Roe. I'd like to see a quote. If he did say that and he goes to State, Izzo needs to get his attitude in check. If he did say that and he goes elsewhere, I can't wait to see Roe fuck him up. I'm hoping he didn't say it.

I know I predicted State a couple of weeks ago, but my gut says he's going elsewhere now. Probably Michigan. ???

Green is announcing 1:30 on Thursday.

Green has said he is a better player than Roe. I am betting he goes green.

You gotta quote Art? I'd like to read it, not cuz I'm doubting but because that is an out there thing to say. If he did say that, that tells me he's not going to State. You aren't going to say that about a future teammate.

I am working on getting you that quote.

I dont even know if those were his exact words. I have seen a few different variations on that line. The main point was that he thought he was good enough to get minutes no matter where he went.

I am hearing a last minute trip to OSU could be in the works, not sure on that either. I just give you the 2nd hand shit I get from Scout.

Read what you want and believe what you want. Hell i dont even believe half the shit i come here and say because I dont get any of it first hand from the person who said it, but always 2nd or 3rd hand.

"Kid has said that he is better than Roe which makes me think that MSU is right there at the top otherwise there would no need to make the comparison." - Dotman

Well that is where I got it from. Dont know if there is anything out there where he said it directly or whether he said it to Dotman himself.

Anyways, I would rather have a kid think he was good enough to get minutes out of MSU or OSU with all the talent they have. If some of the players on UM had had even half that attitude, they would have made the tournament the last few years. Green seems like he is not afraid of a little comp and maybe he is the type that thrives on it.

Here's the quote as I saw it on Scout:
"I'm better than Delvin Roe, and if he gets more playing time than me I'll kill him and his family"
Those are some tough words.

With three days to go before his press conference here is how I handicap the race........

tOSU -- 60%
UM -- 25%
MSU -- 15%

Just my opinion, but I'd honestly be shocked if he didn't go to Thad. After he lost Babbitt he has been scrambling and Day Day loves the attention he is getting.

Funny Zip. I just had to go pick up my foster kid (6 years old) because he told a little girl that he was going to bring a gun in to camp tomorrow and kill her.

He was threatened a few minutes earlier by another kid and thus my kid decided to pass it on.

I now know who she passed it on to or where it all started.

Funny Zip. I just had to go pick up my foster kid (6 years old) because he told a little girl that he was going to bring a gun in to camp tomorrow and kill her.

He was threatened a few minutes earlier by another kid and thus my kid decided to pass it on.

I now know who she passed it on to or where it all started.

That's right: Draymond Green.

I actually hope Green goes to OSU because MSU would have an extra scholarship for 2009, and he will be buried under other talent at OSU, unlike Michigan. Michigan has a good coach but a bad recruiter and he could find smart ways to use Green. OSU has a ok coach and an excellent recruiter, OSU seems to take the talent that they have and just run with it. Or that could have been last years scenario because they had Oden and Conley.

I actually hope Green goes to OSU because MSU would have an extra scholarship for 2009, and he will be buried under other talent at OSU, unlike Michigan. Michigan has a good coach but a bad recruiter and he could find smart ways to use Green. OSU has a ok coach and an excellent recruiter, OSU seems to take the talent that they have and just run with it. Or that could have been last years scenario because they had Oden and Conley.

He dropped OSU. IU is the only OOS team left.

Green will be choosing Green tomorrow. That is from the Scout UM mods. Still a slight chance for UM, but they all think he goes to MSU.

Green will be choosing Green tomorrow. That is from the Scout UM mods. Still a slight chance for UM, but they all think he goes to MSU.
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I actually hope Green goes to OSU because MSU would have an extra scholarship for 2009, and he will be buried under other talent at OSU, unlike Michigan. Michigan has a good coach but a bad recruiter and he could find smart ways to use Green. OSU has a ok coach and an excellent recruiter, OSU seems to take the talent that they have and just run with it. Or that could have been last years scenario because they had Oden and Conley.

I disagree on the Thad being on okay coach, it's kindof off topic but he won early with little talent. I don't like the guy, don't like OSU, but he knows his X's and O's. I hate to admit it.

My feelings on Green have been like a roller coaster. One day I think UM, next State, one day I want him, the next I don't. Who knows?

Congrats on getting Day-Day. Its being reported that he cancelled his Michigan visit today even though Dawkins is coaching at Coach B's camp. It will be fun to watch him and Roe battle in practice, hopefully they can make each other better everyday.

I cannot link anyone unless you have premium at Scout board. This comes from Dre and Bluesam.

Congrats on getting Day-Day. Its being reported that he cancelled his Michigan visit today even though Dawkins is coaching at Coach B's camp. It will be fun to watch him and Roe battle in practice, hopefully they can make each other better everyday.

Doesn't necessarily mean he's going to State. He could figure, why drive down there when my decision is already made?

Sounds pretty good for State, but we've all seen some shocking stuff when it comes to recruiting.

A quote from today's Detroit News article on Green has me thinking it isn't Michigan.

Dawkins said style of play is the biggest factor that will influence Green's decision. Saginaw is a team that likes to apply pressure defense and score off turnovers as much as possible.
Yes, Beilein likes to force turnovers, but a 1-3-1 zone isn't exactly a pressure defense, is it? Maybe I'm wrong here, but if defense is the one thing they're going to mention as a follow-up to the whole style of play thing, it doesn't seem like a fit for the strange offensive system guru.

A quote from today's Detroit News article on Green has me thinking it isn't Michigan.

Yes, Beilein likes to force turnovers, but a 1-3-1 zone isn't exactly a pressure defense, is it? Maybe I'm wrong here, but if defense is the one thing they're going to mention as a follow-up to the whole style of play thing, it doesn't seem like a fit for the strange offensive system guru.

It is a pressure style defense to a degree. You trap on the high wings and create few passing lanes thus turning the ball over. MSU will go short corner all over this zone.

Depending on how Beilein presented it to Dawkins, he very well could be talking about about Michigan's defense. MSU is all man as you know. If I guessed who he was talking about, I'd be guessing Michigan actually.

This is from Eric Lacy from the Detroit News



D. Green seeing green?

I've talked to a variety of people about Saginaw's Draymond Green during the last couple of days and I'm getting a variety of takes on this whole recruiting situation.

What I'm hearing today makes it even stranger.

Some with ties to UM say he's going to MSU.

Others close to MSU say he's going to UM

Then there's other that just don't know.

There's also a little chatter out there claiming Green isn't telling anyone and will just let everyone know at the announcement scheduled for Thursday afternoon at his school.

Just proof that the world of recruitng is goofier than ever!

All I know is that I'm planning on heading up to Saginaw tomorrow for his annoucement.

Maybe he'll pick Indiana just to throw everyone off.

He's a solid player that can cause a lot of matchup problems and could be a good fit at a variety of places.

He played very well during the state tournament games in East Lansing.

Its officially being reported that he is Green. Good luck to Draymond in EL and hopefully he can pull in Mr. Basketball as it would be good for us here in Saginaw to see him get it.

I am not very high on this kid and I think the scholarship could be better used down the road but I hope he proves me wrong if he really went to state.

I still don't think he's a Spartan. I don't know why, I just don't.

Bball, IF he did commit to State, keep in mind this is basically a trade. Mojo for 4 Star Draymond Green. Whether we've got questions about him or not, he HAS to be a better defender than Mojo and he's definately a better all around player.

This is a pipeline commitment as well. Dawkins feels that the best player on his team is actually a junior guard to be which will switch to pg this season. Remember I said it. This kid will be highly touted. Saginaw is also a hotbead for talent, so this can only help Izzo in the future if Green is Green.

It is offical. He is Green.

Would have made more sense in AA, but good luck to him.

How does Strickland, Howell, Stewart, and Riley sound for 09? Stewart and Howell are teammates at Wheeler. Strickland goes point guard/shooting guard. Stewart goes Shooting Guard. Howell goes SF. Riley and C, and PF depth from 08. Izzo could transform Strickland into a sick NBA point guard.

How does Strickland, Howell, Stewart, and Riley sound for 09? Stewart and Howell are teammates at Wheeler. Strickland goes point guard/shooting guard. Stewart goes Shooting Guard. Howell goes SF. Riley and C, and PF depth from 08. Izzo could transform Strickland into a sick NBA point guard.

If Izzo lands that crew, we are talking Championships, Championships, Championships. You give Izzo the best talent in the country and nobody has a chance. He's proven he can beat the nation's best coaches with close to the talent, give him more and it's over. Outside of 2000, there has never been a better time to be a Spartan, I truly believe that.

Hey Tre, I've copied that and have it saved to my hard drive. Just to make it more specific for either giving props or taking a cheap shot, do you care to be more specific? Are you talking about junk championships, like Big 10 championships or "regional championships", or championships people around the country actually remember, like the kind that only one team can claim every year, the kind Florida has a pair of?

Right now, Jethro, Spartieville is celebrating the regional "Alpha Alpha Theta Rubber Band Shooting Contest" that MSU won in 2003. Not many people know this, but The Izzo taught them a technique he learned from Steve Mariucci in an Iron Mountain pool hall back in 1978. The MSU contingent of AAT wanted the MSU administration to put the trophy they won in the same case as the NC championship trophy won by MSU in 2000, but MSU would not do it (to their credit).

Hey Tre, I've copied that and have it saved to my hard drive. Just to make it more specific for either giving props or taking a cheap shot, do you care to be more specific? Are you talking about junk championships, like Big 10 championships or "regional championships", or championships people around the country actually remember, like the kind that only one team can claim every year, the kind Florida has a pair of?

I'm talking about the Championships that you could only dream of as a Michigan fan. I guess that would include every kind of Championship there is- BT, BT Tourney, Regional, National. Keep posting about "Regional Championships" while you jerk off about the idea of a Maize and Blue Final Four Trophy won by players that wouldn't come to Michigan even if you did find somebody else to offer them 250 K. (Zeller anyone?)

Wow, somebody's a little pissy. For all your championship talk, you sure can't handle putting something behind it.
Way to bail on YOUR team and just point fingers across the state. Try actually backing something up next time.
When people say Michigan football hasn't won a NC lately, my first response is NOT, "yeah, well State sucks" followed by sticking my tongue out.
Remember, I'm the guy that doesn't circle jerk over "championships" that have been invented to help more than one team feel good about themselves.

Wow, somebody's a little pissy. For all your championship talk, you sure can't handle putting something behind it.
Way to bail on YOUR team and just point fingers across the state. Try actually backing something up next time.
When people say Michigan football hasn't won a NC lately, my first response is NOT, "yeah, well State sucks" followed by sticking my tongue out.
Remember, I'm the guy that doesn't circle jerk over "championships" that have been invented to help more than one team feel good about themselves.
You are either very weak or very dumb. If you think celebrating a Final Four is unacceptable or somehow an attempt to "create a championship" you are probably the only person (as well as the rest of the UM apologists) in the country that thinks that. The fact that you try to detract from what MSU basketball has achieved over the last decade shows what a petty and very typical UM fan you are.

Ok, that's one way to read what I said and interpret it, if you're retarded.

Listen now and remember forever, congrats to anyone that goes to the Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight, or Final Four. Well done. Very few teams get there. Nice season.

However, only your school and it's fans will remember what you did. The NCAA site has ONE CHAMPION. That's it. Go ahead and tell people you went to the final four. But you didn't win a championship. Your season ended with a loss, did it not? Are you satisfied with that? If so, why even bother having your team show up for the next game? They met their goal, right? Not for me. I want THE championship. There is one, and only one, that counts as being a champion in my mind.

If you are completely elated, happy, content with no more than that, fine. Enjoy. Just be honest with your recruits so they don't accidentally strive for more.

By the way, I'm going to copy and paste the last three into the other thread, since that's where this particular conversation should go.

http://www.wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9712

You are either very weak or very dumb. If you think celebrating a Final Four is unacceptable or somehow an attempt to "create a championship" you are probably the only person (as well as the rest of the UM apologists) in the country that thinks that. The fact that you try to detract from what MSU basketball has achieved over the last decade shows what a petty and very typical UM fan you are.

Exactly.

Scout articles are free, at least for the Michigan site.

Question about Spartan scholarship situation. I've seen a number of people talking about the 2009 class and I'm wondering how many scholarships MSU is expected to have for that class.
I was reading an article talking about 8 guys instate from 09 (Sims, Bryant, Riley, Still, Nix, Simons, Hoskins and Balkema). I know MSU is on on some bigger named guys from out of state as well, and I'm just wondering how much UM might be able to get out of that class. I know people are calling Riley a done deal to State, but it sounds like Michigan might be able to pull in a top 20 class if they can grab the best of the rest.

Question about Spartan scholarship situation. I've seen a number of people talking about the 2009 class and I'm wondering how many scholarships MSU is expected to have for that class.
I was reading an article talking about 8 guys instate from 09 (Sims, Bryant, Riley, Still, Nix, Simons, Hoskins and Balkema). I know MSU is on on some bigger named guys from out of state as well, and I'm just wondering how much UM might be able to get out of that class. I know people are calling Riley a done deal to State, but it sounds like Michigan might be able to pull in a top 20 class if they can grab the best of the rest.

In 2009, the following players will have graduated the year prior:

Travis Walton, Goran Suton, Idong Ibok and Marquise Gray.

So MSU will definitely have FOUR available scholarships in '09 and a fifth scholarship is also likely to be available as the chances of Raymar leaving for the NBA following his junior season are pretty good.

And the three used in 2008 are for Neitzel, Mojo thransferring and....who else? Naymick?

Big time coaches generally won't take more than 4 guys even if they have the scholarships because they want to avoid the rebuild period after a big class leaves. It is more ideal to take 3 in a class and 4 if you're in line for major studs.

MSU will probably take 4 in 09 and several will be out of state. I think Riley will be a Spartan and then we can pull in 5 stars like Strickland and Howell as well.

I just watched a video of Dexter Strickland playing in the Lebron James Shootout this past weekend (Roe was also there). I came away unbelievably impressed. If this kid was coming into State this year as a freshman, I'd be silly hyped. But, he is a 09 recruit and he has State as his #1 choice right now.

He is smooth, lightning quick, and has unbelievable vision. His teammates have to love him, because they were getting dunk after dunk while he blew past defenders and dished at the right time. Oh by the way, he's also got some size as a pg and can throw it down-easy.

Somebody just made their way to the #1 spot on Tre's wishlist.

Strickland said his favorites are North Carolina, Florida, and Michigan State. What a surprise, the stunnas of the stunnas. He said he loves Coach Izzo, Montgomery, and the school.

This would be a monster one. Maybe even bigger than, dare I say, Roe? You'll know what I'm talking about once you see him. NBA PG.

I guarantee you that Strickland struts Jordans and Nike's.

I guarantee you that Strickland struts Jordans and Nike's.

Your damn right.

Was this posted? sportsline.com


North Carolina got its man.

The Tar Heels, in need of an elite big man in the Class of 2008, got a commitment from Benedictine High (Va.) 6-foot-8 power forward Ed Davis — Scout.com's second-ranked player in the country.
The Tar Heels, who recently missed out on Samardo Samuels (Louisville), Delvon Roe (Michigan State) and Al Farouq Aminu (Wake Forest), beat out Virginia and UConn for Davis' services.

"I thought it would be a good choice for me to go there and the system that they run fits me perfect. I just didn't want this process to run any longer," Davis said.

"It's a dream come true — probably more for me than him," said Davis' father, Terry, who played in the NBA. "We dreamed for him to get this type of attention and for people like North Carolina to recruit him."

"I think I'm more excited than he is," he added.

Davis was one of the most sought-after players in a class that isn't exactly loaded with big-time talent — especially up front. Tar Heels coach Roy Williams was present at virtually every one of Davis' games this past week at the Peach Jam.

"We've been talking and he really likes Larry Drew's son and the way he plays," the elder Davis said. "He's someone who he really wanted to play with."

Was this posted? sportsline.com

Nope, thanks for the update.

Correction to the article: North Carolina didn't get their man (Delvon Roe), they got their backup plan. Yeeeeya

I'm not trying to be picky, but why was the #2 player their backup plan to the #5 player?
Either way, they got an absolute stud, but that must sure be nice.

I'm pretty much used to #145 being the backup plan in case you don't get #91.

I'm not trying to be picky, but why was the #2 player their backup plan to the #5 player?
Either way, they got an absolute stud, but that must sure be nice.

I'm pretty much used to #145 being the backup plan in case you don't get #91.

Because Roy Williams doesn't go on Rivals to see who the best players are, he watches the kids himself and makes his own judgement. After he evaluated, Delvon was offered first and given the most attention. It was no secret Roe was Carolina's #1 choice. The got a freaking stud though, I just felt like finding a way to get Roe into the conversation with my post.

James Still offered? Who is this guy and why does he have an offer(according to Scout) over Howell. I have no idea who this guy is.

I think he is the #2 player in Michigan behind Riley for 2009 and recently performed really well on the AAU circuit.

I guess Sam Hosey Jr and Monty were talking on the radio today and in so many words (because Monty's not allowed to mention recruits by name) they made it known that a big time recruit is all but in the bag and will likely be announcing for MSU by the end of the summer.

A Michigan State fan then called in and talked to Sam and found out that the recruit is none other than Dexter Strickland.

TIFWIW but that would be SAweet!

I guess Sam Hosey Jr and Monty were talking on the radio today and in so many words (because Monty's not allowed to mention recruits by name) they made it known that a big time recruit is all but in the bag and will likely be announcing for MSU by the end of the summer.

A Michigan State fan then called in and talked to Sam and found out that the recruit is none other than Dexter Strickland.

TIFWIW but that would be SAweet!

Dexter Strickland would be every bit as big as the Delvon Roe commitment. The only reason why I'd put the Roe commitment ahead of this one is because of the need at the position. I absolutely LOVE Strickland's game and I'd be ridiculously excited to get to see him play in a MSU uniform. I hope you're right Jack! This would be HUGE.

UM loses a recruit (Paul Williams from Renaissance) to Dayton.

Good, fuck UM.