hard to attempt shots with confidence when youre only playing 18 minutes and youre expected to score 20 points.

Rip eating up his minutes is taking shots from him by default.

hard to attempt shots with confidence when youre only playing 18 minutes and youre expected to score 20 points.

Bullshit! A real fucking player relishes the challenge. A real fucking player says "you better play me because I am the best and I can win games for you". The starting guards here are shooting 40% and don't have great 3P range and aren't significantly better at PG than BG would be.

Confidence? If he's lacking confidence, it's his own damn doing, not perceived expectations from others. He's nothing if not a proven scorer in this league.

right. he should be throwing a temper tantrum and just launching bad shots at will, like rip did when he came off the bench.

hard to attempt shots with confidence when youre only playing 18 minutes and youre expected to score 20 points.

Rip eating up his minutes is taking shots from him by default.

1.) This is Ben Gordon, not Allen Iverson. His spike in pay as a backup was based on him catching fire no matter the minutes or placement of him. That's his rep, your favoritism is making a really lame excuse for a guy who dosn't need it.

2.)Gordon's minutes have very lil' to do with Rip, and more to do with his play. If he'd make plays on defense, stopped doing really dumb jump passes(i'm still baffled by the couple mid jump passes he's made over the last week instead of shooting it), and started doing what he's known for(popping shots with reckless abandon), he'd be on the court longer. Ben Gordon is a chucker, that's what he's paid to do, come off the bench and shoot. Until he gets back to doing that he'll continue to slump. And as long as he is helpless against the likes of salmons and every SG over 6ft 5in, he'll be a bench guy.

right. he should be throwing a temper tantrum and just launching bad shots at will, like rip did when he came off the bench.
Rip actually played fairly well, dont remember him going ape shit on the court.
And again Ben Gordon is used to the scenario, so why would he need to throw a tantrum? Stop adding wild garbage to the discussion. But yes he should be shooting bad shots, thats what Gordon does. Shoots shots that most shouldn't, like billups, barry, and most other sharp shooting chuckers. I'd settle for him making the open ones we've set him up for lately. :)

If you think his game is predicated on that, you really have a very, very low understanding of the game of basketball in general.

And if you thought he was getting paid to be a backup here, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. This is a temporary situation until Joe can get rid of Rip.

Ben Gordon even when he came off the bench In Chicago played starters' minutes. He never played for 6 minutes at a time and sat back down again for another 12.

It doesn't matter who it is. Kobe Bryant would be struggling to pile up points if you only used him for one fucking quarter.

And despite all this, Gordon is still turning the ball over much less and shooting much better than Rip Hamilton, who remains the starter simply because the brass doesnt want him to bitch his way out of any future trades.

Rip actually played fairly well, dont remember him going ape shit on the court.
Rip shot 44.7% as a starter.
Rip shot 44.7% off the bench.
He was really launching bad shots off the bench, yessir...

Rip's turnover rate is only about 10% higher than Ben's, and both are well within their career norms -- 2-and-change turnovers per 36 mpg.

<yawn>

If you think his game is predicated on that, you really have a very, very low understanding of the game of basketball in general
Yea, you've been the guru around here for awhile, or was it laughing stock?



Rip shot 44.7% as a starter.
Rip shot 44.7% off the bench.
He was really launching bad shots off the bench, yessir...
Damn, for a guy who's named Kstat, you sure do forget to check stats before you make enraged statements about who you waffled on to your hate list(which seems to be Rip now).

To be fair, the jump-pass-for-a-turnover was Rip's signature move well before Gordon arrived.

To be fair, the jump-pass-for-a-turnover was Rip's signature move well before Gordon arrived.
Ray Allen does that move, sometimes. It might be a UConn thing. OhandWadedoesit,too...

Maxiell is our new starting center.

Ben is just supposed to miss one game, isn't he?

I lol'd when Blaha/kelser were going on at the half about what a good job they did on D.Lee in the first half. His numbers projected to something like 18/16/8.

David Lee with a monster game.

I won't use the word hindsight because that's wrong but FUCK!!!!

The guy is just having a phenomenal season and I don't see many people raving about him.

I understand it's partially due to the run, run, run, pass it to me so I can chuck it system but not everyone on that team is consistently putting up the kind of digits he is.

He must be averaging close to 20/10 with some assists thrown in.

Here's hoping he gets a monster contract from the Knicks in the off-season and proceeds to suck for the rest of his career

We're talkin Basketball here, not snuggies, basketball. Not snuggies. WTF is a snuggy anyway? Fuck snuggies. We're talking basketball here. fuckin snuggies, wtf?

For chrissakes Tay.

For chrissakes Tay.
He didn't get the "tank" memo. Good for him!

He didn't get the "tank" memo. Good for him!

He tried, bricked 2 free throws with 11 seconds left in ot, up 2.

another break out game for ben gordon.

Utah put up like 130 on the Bulls last night. This should be fun.

The Pistons, meanwhile, are searching for their first triumph against the Jazz since a 64-62 home victory on March 13, 2005.

lol

^I just owned one of the Jazz radio guys on Twitter with that tidbit, lol

This is fun!

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Isn't the season over yet??

JJ> Kirelinko Boozer Memo

You tell'em Kwame.

Thats the first longer range shot I've seen BG make in a while.

bynum 20 assists!

My guess is Tay won't be back this game.

WE SUCK

Holy hell.

If we could only win 1 game a week against just 1 team, I'd have to say tonight wouldn't be a bad night or team to get that 1 win.

CV says LBJ who?

G's wife shakin it to that fish comersh.

Table shakin it to 8 straight.

How about that Dujuan Summers?

I'd like to see him get some substantial PT the rest of the way so we can see what we have here.

Rip didn't look too pleased being planted on the bench tonight. Is he injured? If so, Kelser and Blaha sure didn't seem to know about it.

That could get interesting.

Rip = 19 minutes 0 points. That's your story.

Every starter in the minus, every backup in the plus... that's just weird.

Every starter in the minus, every backup in the plus... that's just weird.
That's what having a $100,000,000 bench gets you.

:we: 've lost 11 in a row to the Cavs.

why is bynum starting?

why is bynum starting?

because Indiana isnt good enough to beat us with Rodney Stuckey playing too much.

If Will Bynum starts, a loss is a sure thing.

This is a must-lose game, from the Pistons perspective. It might be the difference between the 5th pick and the 9th pick in the draft.

Might be just me but besides rip and tay it just looks like we have an entire team of 6th men. All good role players but no game changers.

Might be just me but besides rip and tay it just looks like we have an entire team of 6th men. All good role players but no game changers.

that pretty much sums up our 2004 championship team.

Rip hasn't looked like a game changer in the past few games. He looks like someone shit in his wheaties.

well, the more we run, the less he fits in.

Here's Blaha's quote, if I heard him correctly..."Stuckey is one of those new kind of PG that can create, but he can score too"

Here's Blaha's quote, if I heard him correctly..."Stuckey is one of those new kind of PG that can create, but he can score too"
Blaha said much the same thing about Dumars.

"new" is a relative term.

damn, Joe is really going grey fast.

Thats what I was laughing at mostly...'new'.

Cuz we all know Zeke couldn't create and he couldn't score either. These new type pgs are awesome.

we need this loss pretty badly. looks like our guys know it too.

damn it i hate kwame, 7 feet tall and can't be bothered to put a hand in the face or up in the air.

that pretty much sums up our 2004 championship team.


Now I've had enough. You're a fool, a moron and an absolute piece of garbage. You are everything that's wrong with sports fandom. In closing, go fuck yourself.

...so you're saying I'd make a good GOP candidate?

^ hey, when all else fails, resort to GOP bashing.

Can't bash something that parodies itself. It's like trying to kill a suicidal person.

It is a touch silly to compare a championship winning team with 6 consecutive ECF appearances to the team we have now scraping to not finish only above the nets in the east.

They had a 4 time defensive player of the year, 4 all-stars, a 6th man of the year award winner, lindsey near his prime being a pest. I don't see the correlation between the 2 teams at all. But what do i know, im just a fat kid.

it was a team of player that had major holes in their games. None of them were franchise-changes by themselves. Call it what you want, but that's the modern day definition of "role player." And yes, role players can be all-stars too.

if granger played all his games against us, he'd be a first ballot hall of famer.

We're even better at sucking than the Pacers. That's what she said.

This thread title needs to be renamed to "tank."

because Indiana isnt good enough to beat us with Rodney Stuckey playing too much.

If Will Bynum starts, a loss is a sure thing.

Nice perspective, as usual.

Geez, what happened after Bynum left the game?

Douche.

Nice perspective, as usual.

Geez, what happened after Bynum left the game?

Douche.

Did Bynum start? Did we lose?

Ok then.

Bynum's spineless back gave out on him, or else Earl Watson was gonna light him up for 50-60 points.

I wouldn't have said that.

It would have been closer to 70.

Keus with an early T, JJ with a jammed finger, and George calls Kelser 'Special K' about 3 times already.

Let's lose, er, do this!

Lets not get er done.

Bulls help out with 8 unanswered.

CV only off about a foot on that last shot.

BG only off about a foot on that last shot.

Guys Guys Guys...take a defensive possession off here and there.

can we even call these games anymore?

Daye got skillz

can we even call these games anymore?

I think "indictment" or "condemnation" might be better terms.

I could watch Big Ben, Jerebko and Bynum play all night.

At least some of our guys still care.

I could watch Big Ben, Jerebko and Bynum play all night.

At least some of our guys still care.

HOW BAD HAS HIS DEFENSE BEEN TONIGHT?

He also caused the recession.

No, Vince McMahon did.