At least Ledezma is just stupid.

They fuckin kill...fuckin murder innocent women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan before we were there. Y'all just seeem to want to look the other way, imo. But US is the bad guy.
"before we were there"? Ha!

We supported both repressive "terroristic" governments that we eventually overthrew. We supported them as they committed the murders of those innocent women and children you speak so highly of. We removed Saddam's government off the terrorist lists so they could acquire the weapons from western governments (including ours) to gas the Kurds. Hell, we even provided them with anthrax. We encouraged the Iraqi people to rise up and take their own government, then didn't enforce our no-fly zone so Saddam could blow away his opposition. We're the ones who liked and supported the mujahadeen when they helped stick it to the Soviets, as they morphed into the conservative stick-it-to-women terrorist harboring Taliban.

I'm pretty sure Tahoe knew none of that Mxy.

I bet he does know that, but Fox has probably 'splained that all away.

At least Ledezma is just stupid.

Go fuck yourself you ignorant bitch

No disrespect intended

"before we were there"? Ha!

We supported both repressive "terroristic" governments that we eventually overthrew. We supported them as they committed the murders of those innocent women and children you speak so highly of. We removed Saddam's government off the terrorist lists so they could acquire the weapons from western governments (including ours) to gas the Kurds. Hell, we even provided them with anthrax. We encouraged the Iraqi people to rise up and take their own government, then didn't enforce our no-fly zone so Saddam could blow away his opposition. We're the ones who liked and supported the mujahadeen when they helped stick it to the Soviets, as they morphed into the conservative stick-it-to-women terrorist harboring Taliban.

I know man. Everything is the US's fault.

We have Obama now and he'll fix all our wrongdoings.

I'm pretty sure Tahoe knew none of that Mxy.

You can go fuck yourself too.

Just because all you dumb bitches agree, doesn't make you right. Y'all get in line and say...Yeah, thats right and Yeah, great point and you act like you have the enlightened position on all this shit.

Your position is in the minority in this country on the most recent poll on EITs. Deal with it.

Much like my family, I love my country but don't always agree with their majority sentiments. I know that deep down in lots of people everywhere, even in those countries that chide us for being abusive, they want to torture people. That doesn't make it generally right, or productive.

Release the transcripts, Mr T

Torture to me is not feeding prisoners for weeks, working them nearly to death, beatings, dislocating shoulders...you know the stuff we faced in Viet Nam (or when Clinton had detainees sent to other countries for cough cough, interrogations).

Pouring water over their heads with 2 doctors present isn't torture to me. It's an interrogation technique. Deal with it.

Wal Mart Vietnam Vet.

Listen Tahoe. You think puring water over a guy's head isn't torture? Waterboarding isn't torture? Let me tell you a little story.

I've been through some rough times. Real hard shit that I don't often like to talk about, unless someone asks me.

So one time, it's late at night, and my wife and I are sitting around ignoring each other, and I'm all "Hey, let's get into the hot tub." Then she says, "OK." So we drag the cover off, and jump in. I'm all, "HEY WHAT THE FUCK!" And I look at the temperature gauge, and instead of it being 105, it's all the way down to 101. Immediately I start blabbing. "Hey, I fucked your best friend a couple weeks ago. I jerk off to porn. I wear your panties when you go to work. I really don't have the artheritis and I'm fully capable of mowing the lawn. I don't really have a condition that causes me to sleep til noon on weekdays. I don't really like church. I have been to prison. You can't cook worth a shit. I hate Renoir. That one dress DOES make you look fat. That shot of penicilin was NOT for the flu. I DO want to watch you and your best friend eat each other out."

Holy shit, man. Next thing I know, I have to get a part-time job and mow the lawn. I almost died after two weeks of that shit.

Let me tell you, brother: if you don't think pouring cold water over a guy's head is torture, then you are nothing but a wannabe badass who just doesn't understand how tough life can be.

I give up, man. You win!

Can we put #262 on the front page?

Can we put #262 on the front page?

DONE.

Awesome.

Detainees claim (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23789.html) to have fabricated statements.


Former Vice President Dick Cheney may have lost some ground Monday in the debate over the utility of waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques after the Obama administration released previously classified statements from admitted and alleged Al Qaeda members who said they made up information to stop what they viewed as torture.

“I be under questioning so many statement which been some of them I make up stories just location UBL [Osama bin Laden]. Where is he? I don’t know,” Al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said during a March 10, 2007 hearing at Guantanamo Bay, according to a transcript the government released Monday.

“Then he torture me,” Mohammed continued, according to the transcript of a U.S. military hearing held to determine whether a prisoner was truly an enemy combatant. “Then I said yes, he is in this area, or this is Al Qaeda, which I don't him. I said no, they torture me. Does he know you? I say don't (know) him but how come he know you. I told him I'm senior man. Many people they know me which I don't them."

The transcripts released Monday in response to a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union contained more information than was earlier versions of the same documents. All of the versions still contain some deletions, which sometimes make it difficult to follow precisely what the detainees are reported to have said, and the comments were translated from Arabic by a military-supplied translator.

While Mohammed asserted he had fabricated information about bin Laden’s location, the operative now known as KSM did not dispute that he was a high-level leader of Al Qaeda, according to the transcript. He admitted to involvement in dozens of operations, including the Sept. 11 attacks, personally decapitating Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Pakistan, and attempted plots to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago and the Empire State Building in New York.

Another alleged Al Qaeda leader, Abu Zubaydah, suggested at a Combatant Status Review Tribunal session later in March 2007 that he made up details of some operations after being tortures.

“They say, ‘This in your diary,’ they say, ‘See you want to make operation against America.’ I say no, the idea is different. They say no, torturing, torturing, I say, ‘Okay, I do, I was decide to make operation,'” Abu Zubaydah said. He insisted that some anti-American plots recorded in his diary were just ideas and that he never intended to target civilians.

According to memos President Barack Obama ordered released earlier this year, KSM was waterboarded 183 times by CIA personnel and Abu Zubaydah was subjected to the technique 90 times.

Cheney has called on Obama to declassify reports Cheney says will prove that the so-called enhanced interrogation program produced useful intelligence that save American lives.

Pussies. They get a little water poured on their heads and make up shit?

Pussies. They get a little water poured on their heads and make up shit?
No, but now that everyone knows that "special interrogation techniques" were used, everyone who ever confessed to anything can now go around claiming it was coerced. Thanks DOJ!

LOL @ 267... The Messiahs Admin believes AQ before the CIA.

Nanci and BO baby.

I still find this thread hilarious.

"Excuse me, judge. My confession can't be used cause them assholes tortured me. I confessed to whatever they wanted to stop [insert torture technique here]. I'm innocent, Your Honor. I swear."

Confession would get kicked out of court and dude goes free.

Way to save the world, USA.

You guys are gonna let a bunch of terrorists get off because you CHOSE to torure them. Should have listened to me and just fucking shot 'em on sight and buried them in the desert.

If their desert wasn't big enough we got a big one in Oz, it's called the outback and you could bury a million fuckers out there.

You guys are gonna let a bunch of terrorists get off because you CHOSE to torure them. Should have listened to me and just fucking shot 'em on sight and buried them in the desert.

Correction: we're gonna let a bunch of accused terrorists get off because we CHOSE to torture them and now it's gonna be impossible to tell which ones are actually guilty, or important enough for us to really care about.

Here's what I don't get: The average "terrorororororst" is like the average ding-dong drug dealer on the corner who gets caught. They are the bottom of the food chain, usually don't know who gives orders, where they come from, and get them on the day they are supposed to act. So what good does it do to torture a guy who had a few maps or guns and grenades in his cave and was just waiting for his orders? Even if you catch them in the field or in the act, what do they know? That they had to check outside their door every morning for a pile of camel or goat shit to dig through for their insructions to strap a bomb to their chest and run into a mall? That they had a huge pile of guns in the back of their hut that every once in awhile some fuckers came to get and killed a few peeps so the villagers wouldn't tell the Americans about them?

And to Pharaoh's point: That might have worked in the US goes and takes Afghanistan and uses it as a sort of quiet "base" where the cover up is "nation building" and inrastructure creation )you know: roads, utilities, industry, JOBS FOR AFGHANIS, schools, even (I can't believe I'm saying this) churches and mosques. And all the while making nice with villagers and local tribal leaders--who fear the taliban and terororororororistsmore than anything and KNOW those fuckers are brutal--so they can safely work with you without fear of being killed or watching their family memebers tortured and killed so they stay quiet. And then--yeah--you go out and quietly start killing the fuck out of the people you KNOW need to be killed. And hells yeah, hook their balls up to a car battery to get info--but again, you have informants, people who know they can trust you and vice versa--and not some 17 year old kid whose family was just wiped out by an American bomb or a 17 year old kid whose father served him up so the rest of the family wouldn't be mutilated--and knows NOTHING in probably the vast majority of cases.

New report: CIA threatened to kill 9/11 suspects children

Updated:8/24/2009 3:09:31 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Justice Department official says Attorney General Eric Holder has picked prosecutor John Durham to investigate CIA mistreatment of terror suspects.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to disclose the decision. Durham is already investigating the destruction of videotapes of CIA interrogations, and now will examine whether CIA officers or contractors broke laws in rough handling of suspects.

The decision comes as the Obama administration releases a newly unclassified CIA report detailing CIA treatment of terror suspects. The report says one interrogator threatened to kill the children of a Sept. 11 suspect, and another may have threatened to assault a suspect's mother in front of him.

Good. Torture and kill all of them. Lop off their heads and FedEx them to the leaders of countries which support terrorism. These cunt-ries hate us anyway, so let's fuck them up and spit in their face -- might as well have a little fun in the process.



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It's sad that you believe that...or are posting intellectually dishonest posts.

Science behind US coercive interrogations missing in action (http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/09/science-behind-us-coercive-interrogations-missing-in-action.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss)


The article will appear in Trends in Cognitive Sciences, a review journal that devotes space to "Science and Society" articles. Its author, Shane O'Mara from Dublin's Trinity College, largely sidesteps the ethical issues involved with the use of coercive interrogation, although he does not shy away from labeling the techniques adopted by the US "torture." Instead, what he attempts to do is reconstruct the models of human psychology that might be used to rationalize the use of coercive interrogations. He then proceeds to show that these have no basis in modern neurobiology.

Unfortunately, that will have zero effect on anyone.

Professed cognitive scientists are surprisingly lousy at using cognitive science to manipulate people into cognition.