blair?

Fuck this. I quit.

Worst pick in this draft.

6'10" pussy that will take 15 years to get big enough to find his way onto an NBA court, and isnt athletic enough to do anything once he is.

fuck! its daye

pack your bags prince.

Seriously, does anyone give a shit that he likes to play video games? Shut the fuck up, Stuart.

This sucks. Skinnier than fuck, I wanted Johnson.

Looks like someone who'll hang outside cuz he's too big of a puss to go inside.

Oh great, he loves football video games. I don't remember hearing stupid facts like that about anyone else.
6'11" and not even 200 pounds? Ouch. We're going to have to wait on this guy for sure. Maybe Tay can teach him how to play in the NBA as a big skinny guy....

Joe apparently thinks he has tayshaun part II. II think he pressed his luck one time too many.

a lankier, more pussified version of prince. but perhaps more skilled as a shooter and ball handler.

he needs to pack on 30lbs to be considered underweight. right now he's MALNOURISHED.

gaygaygay

FUCK DAYE I WANTED CLARK !!!!!
LAME!!!!!!!

Are we sure we didn't draft the guy from Africa?

Too soon?

Trade our 2nds for another 1st, go get us some more young talent.

not to mention that at least prince is a mentally tough guy who won't back down. this kid looks like he could slip through the cracks on the floor and he's soft.

i hope i regret criticizing this pick. but i would've taken blair over this kid. or definitely johnson. or even teague. not liking this pick at all.

we'd better make a serious splash in the trade market and somehow turn our 2nd rounders into gold. not holding my breath though...

FUCK DAYE I WANTED CLARK !!!!!
LAME!!!!!!!

clark went before our pick. had no shot at him.

20 picks until we're up again, roughly? FUCK!!!!!

I wouldn't even compare him to Prince. He's much more like Rashard Lewis.

Dumars you fucktard. Way to screw up yet another draft. The only thing that you could do worse than this is to keep Curry........oh......wait.......son of a...... We are now officially a crap organization.

...of course, the bulls clean up our mistake.

toney douglas with our 1st second rounder. if some shit team like NY doesn't take him at #29.

there goes johnson. to the bulls. nice. they already are light years ahead of us as far as young talent goes. score another for the baby bulls...

lol, from Skip Bayless' twitter:


Austin Daye gets eaten alive in the NBA. Joe Dumars trades Chauncey for Me Myself and Iverson. Now this. Mighty are falling.

holliday to 76ers. very good pick for them IMO.

can we still trade this pick please?

lol, from Skip Bayless' twitter:

Is that for real?

Is that for real?

http://www.twitter.com/realskipbayless

not much trading of the draft picks....?

...what are the Wolves doing?

WTF, LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

LMFAO! OK, there will be trades coming. cause the t-wolves just drafted their 3rd PG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skip bayless isn't someone to give credence to. I like the pick myself. I think he'll give us an exceptional set of weapons off the bench especially if we bring in gordon to anchor our bench.

3 Point Guards??? What???

Really, this is fucking hilarious. It's like they're saying hey, if we draft three point guards, at least one of them will turn out to be an all-star... right?

Good thing the Wolves slipped to #3 for me months ago.

they've got one more 1st rounder......so i bet their take maynor late in round 1!

lawson will be traded to denver for a future #1. unprotected pick actually. THAT is a good move.

Well, since the T-Wolves now have 3 PGs they can build a hotel. Oh, no wait......that's Monopoly.

Agreed.

outstanding pick for the hawks. love the kid and he's a great value that far down.

HEY STUART!!! Does Teague like to play video games too?

blair seems like a perfect fit for the jazz, given their style and given the fact that they will lose at least one of their bigs to FA.

oooh! it's maynor. nice player.

L.B. loves getting booed.

is Daye even fast enough to play backup SF?

I TOLD YOU!

HORNETS!

I guess Dumars went out today and said Daye was a :"character" pick, and eventual successor to Tayshaun.

Also said there will be no more "bad character" guys on the roster from here on out.

Probably was trying to say without saying, that everybody that bitched last year will not be back next season.

Rip packing his bags is a given, Tayshaun is 50/50.

Problem is we don't need replacement guys for Tay and Rip, we need replacement guys for Ben, CBill and Rasheed.

We've wanted a backup SF for Tay for years and now when we need other positions, we get a backup SF for Tay.

wasnt really a replacement for sheed or ben out there.

Joe seems convinced stuckey is still the replacement for Billups.

I still think a player or two that was supposed to go 15-20 will fall to us at 35 or 39.

very dissapoiting way to start the offseason...

well, we could have hit the ground running with johnson. Daye will be a player, but he's a few years away.

Guys get crazy about this shit. I didn't frankly give 2 shits about 1 guy.

five fiddy three...WE NEED HELP NOW!

damn. there goes casspi. really liked his potential....

Yeah, I was really hoping to draft Omri. Fuck!

casspi has intensity that daye and many others don't have. the nocioni comparison looks like a good one.

would've loved to have that kid.

If Chase Budinger or Sam Young fell to us, that would rock.

what round are the compensatory picks in?

chase would be a good 2nd rounder. so would douglas or meeks. or de colo or beverley. i'd be real happy with at least 1 of those guys.

did i miss mullens being drafted? seriously?

lol- OK there he is. did collison really get drafted in round 1? ridiculous IMO.

cross between chris mihm and chris kaman. and only because he's white.

^ Exactly

apparently mullens and this french PG are going to be traded for each other- mavs to thunder.

don't want to jinx it, but blair is still sitting there. could he fall all the way to round 2? apparently so. let's hope it's to #35.

I'm hoping we get a 2nd rounder that's ready to come in and play. If we have to trade 2 picks for 2 to make that happen, so be it.

Blair would be unrealistic. No way he lasts another 10 picks.

I surely would've rather had Casspi than Daye.

Ugh.

Sam Young or DaJuan Blair would both be steals at #35.

Either one could step in and start right away if needed.

DaJuan Summers would be an immediate starter at SF if we dealt Tayshaun.

6 picks between now and our next selection.

Players left: Blair, Young, Summers, Budinger, Danny Green, Derrick Brown.

Any of those guys would step in and contribute right away.

Joe D will take a guy who can shot the 3, who wants to bet? :P

Oh SNAP...Tony Douglas. Give them another title

Come on Joe. You have 3 picks. Package 2 of them to move up and steal Blair or Budinger.

yeah no shit. we need to get blair. if we got him in round 2 this draft would be a good one, regardless of how you feel about daye.

please, please, PLEASE get blair. if he is there and we pass on him, i'll be out on a ledge somewhere...

3 picks left. There will be an NBA-ready player available, if Joe's looking to add talent now.

only a few more! come on basketball gods- shine on us!

i fear portland or denver will take him, to add a tough inside presence.

come on basketball gods- shine on us!

ghey

WTF?! portland traded rodriguez for who?

ghey

hfco

Whatchamacallit "changes his own oil" according to Stu Scott.

Sounds a lil creepy.

we draft for europe not to play on our team, or can we send Daye to europe :)?

come on, come on! 2 more!!!!!!

geez....Budinger, Young and Blair are STILL LEFT!

we'll send at least 1 or 2 guys to europe. but not if one of them is blair. or one of these other seniors who can come in and help a bit NOW.....

Who the fuck is this alien reading off the names in the 2nd round?

I swear I saw him on that space show on one of those space channels.

don't count out summers. although we already drafted a SF...

jerebko would be a great pick too. but i'd opt for blair FIRST and then go euro...

1...pick...left...

cunningham. denver is all that is standing in our way now....

Come on Joe. Take ONE NBA-ready player in this draft. It wouldn't kill you, with all the talent slipping right now, and the fact we're losing a lot of players.

we're on the clock and blair is there!!!!!!!!!!! take him joe. he's a top 5-10 talent in my book. TAKE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if we pass on him, i will question everything. if we get him, it will be the best steal in the draft we've had. in ages.

we need big men. We don't need to stash all 3 2nd rounders in europe. Please Joe, take Blair.

Hmmm. I dunno . . .

really...we took ANOTHER guy named DeJuan?

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

i like summers a lot. i called for him as one of our 2nd rounders. but we should've picked dejuan BLAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol we suck

At least this isnt a euro-pick. He's going to make the team right away. More NBA-ready than Daye.

Blair at 39!!11

anybody think Blair can last another 3 picks? lol

Maybe we get Blair with our next pick, to be optimistic.

Blair at 39!!11

thats the spirit

Looks like we're all of the same mindset, lol.

hey, I hope packages both his picks to move up and take blair.

3 more picks and we're back up again. summers is a nice player. a bit of cliff robinson to him IMO.

real nice. but should've taken blair FIRST and then hoped for summers. if blair is there next we HAVE to get him. i don't care about sending kids to europe- this kid can play NOW. and be real good too.

He's going to go right now. Sam Young, that is.

2 more. spurs will piss me off and take him

Sam Young is a heck of a pick. I don't care how old he is.

I wish I was as old as him.

I bet we're going to get Blair, too. I just have a feeling that Joe knew he'd be there.

Maybe we intend to trade Tay and platoon the 3 spot with Dajaun and Daye.

fags

And there it goes.

Blazers want a backup PF, they will take Blair

Eurostash special, comin up.

oh what the fuck, let's take Budinger.

I like Brockman. Good pick by my #2 team!

yup. there you go. THAT is why they have 4 nba titles over the last decade. fucking dumars. should've taken blair first and then gone for summers. no reason he wouldn't have been there at #39.

dumb, dumb, DUMB. could've had our best draft in many years. nope. pissed away the steal of the draft.

Nvm, he's going to Sacramento. Nice addition for Tahoe's #1 team.

another pick for us=another commercial break for ESPN. of course!

LOL, in that clip ESPN just showed of the Pistons, only Stuckey is likely to be back, IMO.

don't get me wrong- i really like what summers can do. really. but we could've had him at #39 IMO and blair at #35. that would've been SO awesome.

what do we do here..........?

de colo. or jerebko. or meeks. or....?

take budinger, Joe.

here's the pick.......jerebko!!!!!!!!!!! i love this pick. that's one good thing tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JONAS BROTHERS!

Looks like a fag.

Edit: Looks like he plays okay. See ya in a few years or sth.

wondered when Jonas was going to get drafted.

He's a euro oddity: he plays great defense but cant shoot for shit.

another SF although he might stay overseas. can prince feel happy though? he shouldn't!

Looks like a fag.

Edit: Looks like he plays okay. See ya in a few years or sth.

I'm loling

BTW, this makes 3 wing players we've taken. Something's up.

he's a damn good pick though IMO. very, very good pick. but we've got a bunch of SFs now. prince, daye, summers, jerebko, and of course deron washington.

yeah prince is a goner and at least one of these kids stays overseas. even still- we're loaded at the 3.

3 more picks and we're up for the last time. what SFs will be left on the board by then.......?

Budinger.

if any of these guys starts at SF for us next season, we're pretty fucked, right?

depends who's starting at the other 4 positions.

hammond with another good pick. i like meeks a lot.

I'd like to see Joe take a flier on Chris Johnson or Robert Dozier at #44.

Granted, both are pretty 1-dimensional shot blockers, but we could use those right now.

i'd go with beverley or de colo.

Budinger wouldn't kill me either. Probably the best pure shooter in the draft outside of Curry.

i like dozier and he'd be a good replacement for amir actually. similar abilities and build.

^ Will any of them make the team?

damn. there goes beverley. i'd take de colo. maybe mcclinton. will probably be a no-name guy.

Summers will. He's a lock. Joe did not draft him to stash him.

we're up. de colo is there for the taking.

do we go 'local' and take goran suton?

DANNY GREEN PLEASE

I'd take Budinger over Green.

summers is a definite contributor. jerebko will stay overseas for a year or 2 at most. but IMO he is a guy who can definitely play too.

daye is the biggest project of them all but he gets the 1st round contract. has nice potential though...

for next year, Summers>Daye.

don't usually agree with dickie V. but he's right on blair.

he should be a piston right now.....

we're up. quick, go to commercial!

LOL!

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

THEY FINALLY TOOK MY BOY BUDINGER!

FINALLY THEY TAKE A PLAYER I WANTED!

WOW GOOD PICK JOE

I'm glad we did this tonight guys, really. I'm done with this shit, peace out!

Joe had 3 2nd rounders and only drafted one euro-stash. I'm proud of you, Joe.

Both Budinger and Summers are NBA-ready wings.

#44......we take chase budinger. if you told me 2 years ago we'd get him here, i would've jumped all over it.

he didn't live up to expectations coming out of HS but he's a softer version of wally sczerbiak IMO. not bad to get him here.

now what the hell do we do with all these 2's & 3's?

joe had better make some good deals. i definitely would not have passed on blair but i can see the logic in getting the shooters he got. now he's got to put a team around them.

still a lot of time to do that but he has to move quick.....

I'm thinking Joe is moving both tay and rip for bigs.

don't be shocked if budinger plays overseas for a year though. seems like the type who would do it. but let's see how the roster in front of him plays out.

no way we go to camp with these 2's and 3's:

rip
tay
summers
afflalo
daye
washington
jerebko (stays overseas for a year i'd guess)
budinger

would love to package rip for kaman and prince for....brand. that sucks up some cap space but gives us a legit big man. 2 in fact. then we still have about $10 mil under the cap to go and get someone like gordon.

stuckey
gordon
summers? fuck if i know
brand
kaman
bynum
j-max
afflalo
daye
jerebko (stays overseas for a year)
washington
budinger?
brown
who am i missing? it's late. i'm tired. at least 1 or 2 more bigs.

Budinger went to houston for a future 2nd and cash.

fuck me. seriously? that's a waste. what good is a future 2nd?

Man fuckers take the draft way too deeply around here. Joe hasn't handed a job to a rookie yet, doubt he's bumping Rip or Tay for any of these guys. At least not until they prove something on the court.

who said we were expecting these guys to be starters?

who said we were expecting these guys to be starters?
Kstat seems to be, He's already penciled Starters to be traded based on these picks(for opposit positions no less to clear a way). If you weren't then I guess wasn't referring to you.

wind, meet piss

Man, you guys really like Blair. I'm not so sure he's going to be as great as you guys think he is. I'm actually glad we passed on him.

I don't get why Minny took Flynn after getting Rubio. Two PG's? That seems dumb to me.

Man, you guys really like Blair. I'm not so sure he's going to be as great as you guys think he is. I'm actually glad we passed on him.

I don't really like him either. I think his ceiling is a role player off the bench. As I said before, he is too short to be a full time PF. plus he has knee issues.

Surprised we didn't take Danny Green though.

Thanks to Kstat and HW for doing pretty much the whole Draft.

I wonder how everyone feels now about our scouts and Joe on Draft Day?

Yeah, all these cats could turn into legends or complete bums but I think Joe's history on Draft Day took another hit.

I do understand why he took all these guys - even Daye. Joe sees that the league has changed completely. No longer can you have a PF that can't hit a 20 foot jumper. You need guys that can play multiple positions, can hit the long bomb, are long and/or tall.

I just wonder if these picks kind of tip Joe's hand in free agency/trades?

We've got our perimeter covered. Maybe we all our money on bigs and Ben Gordon gets nothing more than a coke and a smile?

I don't get why Minny took Flynn after getting Rubio. Two PG's? That seems dumb to me.

going the joe dumars isiah thomas route perhaps?

also, chad ford gives us a b+ for the draft...


Round 1: Austin Daye (15)

Round 2: DaJuan Summers (35, obtained from Timberwolves), Jonas Jerebko (39, via Raptors)

Analysis: Interesting draft for the Pistons. They take three forwards who can play both the 3 and the 4, all with terrific upside and all with big question marks about their consistency and drive. If these players play up to their potential, Detroit may end up as one of the big winners on draft night. If they stay inconsistent, Pistons fans are going to be frustrated.

Stu Scott sucks balls.

I hate our draft, as usual.

Summers probably looks like the best pick.

Oh, and nice schnoz on Rubio.

Going to be frustrated? Going to be? Fuck!

If James Johnson plays reasonable next season I'll be slightly more than frustrated. Actually, I'll be a long fucking way from frustrated. And when I say "long way" I mean Cairns to LA kind of distance.

While I understand why we chose who we chose I don't know why Daye was our pick and Johnson wasn't?

Blair? I didn't want him anyway - he's a career role player like Maxiell.

But IF Johnson plays any kind of decent ball next season and Daye is too busy trying to gain weight in order to even play I'll fucking go nuclear.

Why draft a dude that's 2 or 3 years away?
Is his ceiling higher than Johnson's?
Are his skills "better" than Johnson's?
Is Daye more mentally tough?
Is Daye more driven?

Jonas seems intriguing. We'll see how well his game translates to the NBA.

I'm surprised we didn't draft some kind of project C, or perhaps Goran Suton, with that last 2nd rounder.

If Chase Budinger or Sam Young fell to us, that would rock.
Just thought I'd point this out while I played catchup. We could have had both of them, right?

yep.

Sam Young is a guy that could have started from day 1 if we dealt tayshaun. He's already 24, but would have served as a great placeholder for Daye.

Budinger is a natural 2, so he really didn't fit here unless we were planning to deal Rip and not sign Gordon.

That jumper would have been really nice, though. He would have been a fun player to watch here.

2 more. spurs will piss me off and take him
About Blair. Yep

oh what the fuck, let's take Budinger.
Ha.

Everyone is so critical of the draft. These guys haven't played a single NBA game. How do we know who's going to be good and who isn't? Let's get them into camp, get them some regular season games, and THEN we can start evaluating things. Hell, I don't want to even have a full-fledged opinion on this until next offseason, when we've seen these guys play a bit, we've seen them go through the rigors of a full season, and we can take a look at their potential and how far they've come. Everything that went on for the last 68 pages was pure speculation. I can point to a plethora of NBA players that we all wanted in previous drafts and got angry about passing on that are worthless, as well as guys we were happy to see slip past us that went on to be solid players. That's just the nature of things, no one remembers those guys, everyone just remembers what they decide 4 years down the road after looking back at who was drafted where.


That's my rant. Now on to speculating on FA.

I said it before, this draft will be judged in a couple years. Just remember the Lions got an A from Kiper for drafting "the best player in the draft" when they took Mike Williams.

I know Griffin will be a solid player. I think Flynn will be a solid PG too. How many guys in this draft do you know will be good? Not many. I'm not going to pretend I know more than Joe does. If we get two legit forwards from the 4 we take that would be a good draft.

Pistons address frontcourt with multiple picks
BY DREW SHARP • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • June 26, 2009

Joe Dumars bit his tongue when explaining his ire toward his team's debilitating lack of character last season.

There were young, impressionable ears in the Pistons' draft party audience Thursday, so he spared them the saltier descriptions of the depth of his anger.

But he made it clear that he tabbed 6-foot-11 forward Austin Daye 15th overall not only for what he could do on the court, but also for what he won't do away from the court. He won't show up late on game days or late to the airport for flights. He won't show up authority if he disagrees with a coaching decision.

"Never again will I allow us to be in a position where we're dealing with issues, where we're dealing with drama," said Dumars.

Daye's selection is more symbolic than anything else.

A light breeze could knock him over. The kid is still skinnier than the original thin man, Tayshaun Prince. He supposedly possesses some skill, but it's difficult getting excited about any draft pick selected beyond the first overall, because the NBA first round this decade largely has become a scrap heap of grossly overrated potential.

Dumars could have taken somebody more NBA ready physically, but in choosing Daye, he sent a message that the Pistons need to correct a deficiency in attitude as well as an absence of pure talent.

"I think Joe was madder than anybody else about us losing all those Sunday games," said coach Michael Curry, "and usually that has something to do with what you were doing Saturday night."

:SHIT STORM!:

Curry isn't the guiltless innocent. There remains a communications divide between himself and Rip Hamilton over Curry's mishandling of Hamilton's benching in favor of Allen Iverson. If that relationship doesn't improve, Dumars might find himself with even more drama -- choosing between his coach and his best player.

Who do you think usually wins that one?

This is the Pistons' most important summer since 2000 -- Dumars' first off-season as president.

The franchise flirted with irrelevance then. They couldn't sell out the Palace regularly despite fielding a playoff team with the presence of one of the league's legitimate young stars in Grant Hill. And they were just days away from losing him to free agency.

Dumars determined then that character and toughness would be the principal traits of the players he sought. He acquired Ben Wallace in a sign-and-trade with Orlando for Hill. Dumars needs his next Big Ben -- that commanding presence, be it forward or guard, who brings the character and locker-room leadership the Pistons have lacked since Wallace signed an overpriced free-agent deal with Chicago three summers ago.

The draft provides some fresh bodies. They selected Georgetown forward DaJuan Summers with their first second-round pick. He's a solid choice who played at a successful program in the nation's most challenging college basketball conference -- the Big East. But the more important moves will come July 8 -- the first day teams can sign free agents, and with the Amir Johnson salary dump, the Pistons should have about $20 million of available salary-cap room.

It's all about creating as many options as possible.

The new faces are coming. They had better bring a new attitude with them.

What little faith I had left in Joe is quickly disappearing after this draft. Not just the picks but getting a steal with Budinger and then selling him. We are now officially a joke.

I didn't have a problem moving Buddinger in general, but a future 2nd from Houston isn't that great.

Just seems odd that Joe was emphasizing the need to add 3 pt shooters and he gets a great (and cheap) one handed to him and sells him for a few bucks.

I wanted Danny Green there.

Just seems odd that Joe was emphasizing the need to add 3 pt shooters and he gets a great (and cheap) one handed to him and sells him for a few bucks.

What did we actually get for him? Was it a future 2nd a cash? How much?

i thought it was just 'future considerations'. which means that when we play in houston, joe gets free parking at their arena.

I heard a future 2nd and cash.

I heard a future 2nd and cash.

That's what I heard but I was curious about the particulars before I get too pissed off.

Was he going to get playing time over Afflalo? He definitely wouldn't getting a single minute at SF because we just drafted 3 of them. Plus, we have Deron Washington coming over as a SG/SF and trying to make the team, so it really came down to just not enough time to go around. At the SG/SF position we now have Rip and Tay, Stuckey will get some SG minutes, Afflalo, Washington, and 3 guys drafted before Budinger. Even if Rip or Tay is traded, we're going to get a starter to replace them, not fill in from the previous list.

I have no problem with us dealing that pick.

i get your point. but why are you assuming we would get a wing player back if we trade rip and/or tay? we could very well just get a big man which would be the position of much greater need and make more sense.....

^ yep

Was he going to get playing time over Afflalo? He definitely wouldn't getting a single minute at SF because we just drafted 3 of them. Plus, we have Deron Washington coming over as a SG/SF and trying to make the team, so it really came down to just not enough time to go around. At the SG/SF position we now have Rip and Tay, Stuckey will get some SG minutes, Afflalo, Washington, and 3 guys drafted before Budinger. Even if Rip or Tay is traded, we're going to get a starter to replace them, not fill in from the previous list.

I have no problem with us dealing that pick.

I want to see all of our picks play a little (summer league or even pre-season) before I start dumping guys. If we trade Tay or Rip and Buddinger is the best of the guys we drafted then what?? I'd rather see what he's got and what our other picks are like before we dealt him.

IF we got a future second rounder from Houston then that's a good deal.

For a start this Draft was regarded as crap - although many players could play a role for teams I have to wonder how many guys will enjoy long NBA careers.

A second round pick in a future aka better Draft is hardly a bad move by Joe. And as stated above we've got perimeter guys all over the roster. If Budinger ends up being a quality role player we can complain, but I have serious doubts he'll amount to much.

The complaints IMO come from the fact that Daye is at least 2 years away from being a quality role player. With Johnson and Blair on the board (among others) it makes people wonder WTF Joe is thinking.

IF Joe is planning on being a contender next season then it doesn't really make sense to use a mid first round pick on a guy that won't/can't be used much. Johnson was the wiser choice IMO because he can play minutes now and isn't a wimp.

Blair? We've already got Maxiell - another guy like him isn't a smart choice. IF Joe viewed Blair, Johnson and Daye as equally "good" I don't see why we went with the guy that won't/can't play much now.

That's why I'm starting to believe that all this talk of Gordon and Boozer is bullshit, that we're not looking to be contenders next season and will move Rip and/or Tay for other younger players that could develop into some quality guys in 2 or 3 years.

By that time Daye and Stuckey should be reaching their peak, all the teething problems should be gone and the current contenders will either be gone or on their last legs.

Youth is the way forward - we've been left behind in the new NBA and unless you somehow manage to get Lebron, Howard or Wade here we needed to move in a new direction.

I think this Draft is the first step in that direction - but only free agency will show if I'm right or not.

Minnesota had four 1st round picks and what did they do? Draft three point guards and an undersized wingman. GW guys.

In that article about our 3 draftees making the roster it says we got a future 2nd and cash.

i'm sorry i just have to point this out because i've heard it from a few people now; the maxiell-blair comparison.

the only similarity they share is that they are both undersized PFs. but blair is taller and has at least as much length as j-max. not to mention, he's much, much stronger. and unlike maxiel, he's an OUTSTANDING rebounder. he vaccuums them up unlike any player i've seen come out of the draft in a long while.

and he has a legit low post game too. he's a beast on the bloc. he abused thabeet in their matchups like a school bully picks on a retarded kid. personally i don't think the comparison to j-max fits at all mostly because blair is simply a much more well rounded, polished, and simply better player. maxiell is at best a nice 6th man who can bring energy and hustle for 15 minutes or so. he can make a big impact in that time, no doubt.

but he's no blair. if there were no questions about his knees, he would've a top 5 pick, for sure. he can and will be a very good starter in this league IMO. and sure- teams like a PF to be about 2-3 inches taller. but he's not going to fail to achieve success because of that. he has really long arms and no doubt in my mind can be a successful PF. forget the measurables, put on the tape and this kid is a beast who will be a good one.

If we drafted Blair, then we'd have to have a pre-negotiated exit strategy for Maxiell or else we have a fucking asset that isn't worth shit.

Yeah, I would've loved to see us draft someone who could fucking rebound.

i get your point. but why are you assuming we would get a wing player back if we trade rip and/or tay? we could very well just get a big man which would be the position of much greater need and make more sense.....
I wasn't saying we'd get a wing back in the trade. I'm saying we'd go get a wing if we traded them. We wouldn't replace from within, we'd go get a replacement externally.

IF we got a future second rounder from Houston then that's a good deal.

For a start this Draft was regarded as crap - although many players could play a role for teams I have to wonder how many guys will enjoy long NBA careers.

A second round pick in a future aka better Draft is hardly a bad move by Joe. And as stated above we've got perimeter guys all over the roster. If Budinger ends up being a quality role player we can complain, but I have serious doubts he'll amount to much.

I would agree entirely if the guy that we picked wasn't considered a first round talent. Is a first round talent in a crappy draft better than a future second in a draft that could be both good and deep or just as crappy?? I see Buddinger as a very good value and I am not happy with what we got for him. Especially when we are in need of outside shoters and that was one of his specialties.

The only people who consider/ed buddinger a first round talent were mock drafts and dopes who follow them as the rule. Clearly people who actually draft professional basketball players disagree and said so with their actions.

Yea and those professionals did a great job i.e. Minny. Buddinger was considered 1sr round talent by a hell of a lot of people. FYI I don't really look at mock drafts and have been watching this guy for a while. I don't care for idiots who think that teams always make the right choices and analysts who do this shit for a living and have no vested interest are incompetent and wrong. I think his mediocre performance in the NCAA Tourney hurt him a bit.

Just because a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then doesn't mean our scouts can find not 1, not 2 but 3 "first rounders" in the second round.

I'm surprised you (Mick) think "The Bud" is a first rounder.

I'm surprised you think dealing him for a future second rounder from Houston in a better/deeper Draft is a bad deal.

I'm surprised you're not calling for Joe's head after another fucking Draft that saw us miss the boat on several quality first rounders (so we could Draft a dude that won't play much) and then let certain second rounders slip away too.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080120012630/www.nbadraft.net/index.asp?content=mock2009

NBAdraft.net's mock of the 2009 NBA draft at of feb.18, 2008.

Take a look at who they have going #2 after Griffin.

Granted, that list is slightly tainted because at that time Thabeet hadn't announced he was staying in college. But still, Daye has been on the Radar as a hot prospect for some time now.

Just because a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then doesn't mean our scouts can find not 1, not 2 but 3 "first rounders" in the second round.

I'm surprised you (Mick) think "The Bud" is a first rounder.

I'm surprised you think dealing him for a future second rounder from Houston in a better/deeper Draft is a bad deal.

I'm surprised you're not calling for Joe's head after another fucking Draft that saw us miss the boat on several quality first rounders (so we could Draft a dude that won't play much) and then let certain second rounders slip away too.

I never said anything about 3 "first rounders". My point is that Buddinger was considered to be 1st round talent and the guy is a shooter which we need. Of the four players drafted only two are shooters and Daye is in no way ready to play. We need to at least see what the guy has before we ship him off. We don't know if the the pick we get will be in a better draft. I don't even know when the pick will be for or if it has "terms" like the 2nd we got when we traded Acker (which was essentially no pick due to the stipulations.)

As for Joe, I think he did a mediocre job with our draft but I'm waiting to see what he does in FA and with Curry (please...please Joe change your mind) before I call for his head. I haven't lost all faith in him, just most of it.

And FYI, there are a lot of 2nd round players in the NBA that I would have loved to have given a future 2nd for. Chalmers is one guy that I was saying that we should have drafted. He turned out to be pretty solid.

1. Budinger was not going to play ahead of Rip/Gordon, or his backup, Afflalo/Washington. He is a good prospect but would be wasted here.

2. Curry is here to stay, at least for another year. Joe would only be going backwards by firing him after the draft. Curry can/will be fired if he cant produce results after this season.

3. There were two other guys that were considered 1st round talent by many....Summers and Jerebko. I havent heard one bad thing about either pick.

Ultimately, this draft will be decided on whether Daye reaches his potential, but Joe absolutely did as well as anybody could have hoped with his 2nd rounders.

Jonathan Feigen of the Houston Chronicle: (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6533549.html) "Chase Budinger was by far the Rockets' most efficient and consistent scorer, finishing the summer league with 25 points on 7-of-9 shooting in 26 minutes Thursday. He averaged 17.8 points, making 68.1 percent of his shots. 'He showed he's a player,' Dunn said.

I'm not mad about Buddinger because he wouldn't have gotten minutes here (and I liked the players we did get). It would have been nice to showcase him in summer league and trade him though (could have gotten some good value there).

What could we have got in a trade for that dude?

Almost every team had the chance to Draft him and they opted not to.

What on Earth were they gonna part with once he ripped defenses to shreds in Vegas?

I'd rather have Chase over Deron Washington

I'd rather have a starting C but you can't always get what you want.

At the end of the day Joe actually managed to Draft 4 damn good prospects out of a "crappy" Draft. Color me super fucking surprised!

The 3 we kept look like they could wreck shop in the future and I don't just mean play rotation minutes. The praise for all 3 seems to be universal and while relying on the media isn't advised at this stage that's all we have.

To worry about the 3rd string SG (or 4th string if it goes Rip, Gordon, Stuckey, Washington) is really fucking pointless.

IF we were as good as a blowjob in the morning we might be able to sit back and whine about the 4th string players.

But we aren't that good.

We should be worried about what our C rotation is gonna be, cause right now it looks like Kwame/Wilcox and that just can not be allowed.

Does the NBA have a mercy rule?

Maybe they can give us a Tyson Chandler Exception just this once and we can get his injured ass out of New Orleans for a future 2nd round pick?

Hornets save tax dollars, we get a dude that can actually play C, even if he's half crippled.