Now Harry says he didn't say that. LMMFAO @ these guys

Now we need a cyber Czar! Car Czar, this Czar, that Czar.

As if we don't already have 12 bazillion Gov't workers and agencies to oversea these things.

LETS INCREASE THE SIZE OF GOV'T! GOV'T IS THE SOLUTION! THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY FOR IT!

^next stop: the padded room

He's actually my great escape from work. I love it.

Now we need a cyber Czar! Car Czar, this Czar, that Czar.

As if we don't already have 12 bazillion Gov't workers and agencies to oversea these things.

LETS INCREASE THE SIZE OF GOV'T! GOV'T IS THE SOLUTION! THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY FOR IT!

And we still have that lil problem of having Republican Presidents run up the largest, most stupefying budget deficits the entire civilizedd world has ever seen! In fact, Gdub was able to butt fuck the budget and the country because Bill Clinton left him with no deficits and a robust economy.

Oh, and he failed to do anything about the terrororororost attacks that he kew were coming.

^ So yesterday

Still true though.

Fox News-

A vicious cyber-virus is crippling the FBI's computer and e-mail systems -- continuing to jam the G-men's vast communications network more than nine days after being first detected, The Post has learned.

As of Thursday, sources said, FBI agents were still unable to e-mail their counterparts in other intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, a crucial post-9/11 necessity.

"Since the beginning of the week ... the private server has been down, and we haven't been able to e-mail each other," one source said.

The revelation comes as President Obama is expected to announce today the creation of a White House "cyber-czar" post to coordinate computer security throughout the federal government and the private sector.






Govt. invented computers just to justify tax increases.

^ Fox News... LMAO Hermy reads Fox News....lolololololololololololo

VAT TAX...coming to taxpayers soon!

Yea VAT TAX! Oh yea, Mr T wasn't supposed to raise taxes.

Oh but its peeps income tax rates aren't raised. Bait and switch. Depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

This guy is hilarious

^ Fox News... LMAO Hermy reads Fox News....lolololololololololololo


And I listen to Rush.

I like Tahoe better when he isn't pretending to build his own house.

And I listen to Rush.

HE'S AWESOME!

Now we need a cyber Czar! Car Czar, this Czar, that Czar.

As if we don't already have 12 bazillion Gov't workers and agencies to oversea these things.

LETS INCREASE THE SIZE OF GOV'T! GOV'T IS THE SOLUTION! THE TAXPAYERS WILL PAY FOR IT!
Cybersecurity would have ballooned regardless of centralized involvement. It's a big issue, and getting bigger all the time. All kinds of agencies are spending more on the security front to fill a perceived and actual void, here.

There is a need to coordinate activity on cyber-security. The absence of doing so has led to a lot of cyber "fiefdoms" that often aren't sufficiently empowered, nor clueful enough to be effective when they DO have some power. Miscreants routinely take advantage of the lack of communication and coordination. It's exactly what makes guv'mint institutions particularly easy, tasty targets.

If done right, centralization here can -shrink- the size of guv'mint relative to what it would have been otherwise (it'll still grow, but not as much), and provide more tangible benefits to consumers. We'll see how it goes.

He's usurping power from the constitution with all these Czars.

Increase some peeps in the FBI. We don't need a whole new, or another new layer of our Gov't.

This won't just be Czar. I bet it will be a office building with staff, new department crap, letterhead, phone lines, and all the other shit that goes along with it.

We could save 52 million dollars, MILLION, if our gov't just bought printer paper from the same source. Ok, I might not have that totally correct, but its close.

And then peeps wonder why the US is hated. We're so fucking rich (with tax payer mone) and all we do is waste it. While other countries don't have running water and all that other shit.

We are drunk with excesses....and BO brings more.

He should just create a new department called Homeland Cyber Security.

Homeland Security was a Democratic deal. Bush finally did it though.

Such a good Dem that Bush.

Wasn't much of a conservative, thats for sure.

But right about everything. amiright?

Apparently you haven't been reading my posts...which I couldn't blame you one bit.

Wasn't much of a conservative, thats for sure.

A good conservative would have been waterboarding kids on the way to school in Bundle-of-Hairballs, Maine to see what the lil fucktards knew.

He's usurping power from the constitution with all these Czars.

Increase some peeps in the FBI. We don't need a whole new, or another new layer of our Gov't.
You think the FBI is gonna come up with, say, a standard "secure guv'mint desktop" to run OA apps, works on DRM policy, or leads in getting the hopeful successor to SS#s to not be both identification _and_ authorization? There's no one guv'mint organization that captures the scope of the mess, especially since DHS by law specifically excludes agencies who would be key to a cyber initiative. Thinking of it as "crime" issue ignores the international scope, and the fucked regulatory framework that permeates "cyber" issues.


This won't just be Czar. I bet it will be a office building with staff, new department crap, letterhead, phone lines, and all the other shit that goes along with it.
And there'll be a bunch of departments who WON'T have resources if done right. What I've seen is a void in leadership that a diverse slew of agencies are attempting to fill. Citing "security" has been a good way of extracting budget dollars, and there've been a lot of redundant efforts that amount to squat (and $52 million dollars is butt cheese in comparison to what's spent). Someone needs to tell a slew of organizations what their job is NOT. Really.

I'm having a hard time LOL at BO on this one. I'd sooner LOL at him speaking for Sotomayor. If I were Sotomayor, I'd tell Obama to stick it, that she'll say things her own way, THEN rephrase. :)

I think this needs to be linked to the defense/intelligence department somehow. That's the level of autonomy they need to not be a fluff agency. We need to be pulling the dirty shit the Chinese are. Are we? Do we have an aggressive technology presence?

The smoking man says yes; we are doing all sorts of things below the radar that are unmatched on the international scale, and unknown by the highest levels of government.

(Mildly related)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090529/pl_afp/uspoliticsarchivespoliceclinton_20090529212250

2 TBs? Bill lost a substantial amount of porn there. Should we have our flags at half mast?

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH WASTEFUL LETTERHEAD

Ok, I've had enough fun for a while. 2 week time out for me from this thead. Unless he does something really, really funny again.

Thanks to all you libs for not sending any death threats my way. :) Or should I say thanks for not posting them?

Check your PMs.

Its only 9 days in of my 2 weeks off, but if the 2 weeks were up, I'd post how dipshit wouldn't even let congress have 24 hours to read the almost 1 trillion dollar spending bill CUZ THE COUNTRY WOULD COLLAPSE IF IT WASN'T VOTED ON IMMEDIATELY.

Now how many months later and we've only spent 5%, but Mr T is out there taking credit for saving jobs. LMAO What a fuckin goofball.

And the sheep go bah!

Ok, I've had enough fun for a while. 2 week time out for me from this thead. I have work to do.

http://www.pissedonpolitics.com/terrorist%20agitators.jpg

Mr T "Pay as you go"

LMAO!

Shep Smith talks about an email from Tahoe.

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Wow, new respekt for Shep.

I hope he can find another job.

It's just a matter of time before some of this shit blows up. It's like Obama is at the nexus where all hate-filled crazy fantasies intersect. Liberal, baby-killing, socialist, secret-muslim commie negro who will take away your guns and give your jobs to unqualified minorities and your money to welfare queens.

:VOLCANO:

On the positive side, the crazies are coming out of the bushes and we'll know who they are. By the end of Obama's first term there probably won't be any closeted nutcases left... if he survives.

LOL @ BO

He was taking credit for the 'robust debate' that took place in Iran CUZ OF HIS SPEECH!

It looks like clubs and beatings to me.

Also, I'm so glad that BO is proud of his muslim heritage, or however he put it, cuz whenever a Republican even came close to mentioning it during the campaign, the repubs were racists. LMAO

Obviously after the speech that I made in Cairo, we tried to send a clear message that we think there's the possibility of change, and, you know, ultimately the election is for the Iranians to decide. Whoever ends up winning the election in Iran, the fact that there's been a robust debate hopefully will help advance our ability to engage them in new ways.
Hmm... I'm missing the part where he credits his speech for the robust debate in Iran, though I'm sure pundits are more than happy to add words and things he didn't say as part of bullshit talking points.

Hmm... I'm missing the part where he credits his speech for the robust debate in Iran, though I'm sure pundits are more than happy to add words and things he didn't say as part of bullshit talking points.

Oh, but that never happened with Bush, Palin, Chenney, etc.

I guess the 'fun with adding words stops when the Savior was elected.

What a joke Tahoe has become. It's strange how people change once their team sucks.

If Tahoe is saying that pundits add words to politicians' mouths that were never said and intended, he's agreeing with me.

Tahoe hasn't changed much. I'm just surprised that he can't find better things to LOL at Obama about -- the DOMA flap comes to mind.

He used to leave the pettiness to Ledezma. Now he's pretty much on Glenn and I's level.

What a joke Tahoe has become. It's strange how people change once their team sucks.

Can't deal with the question so attack me. It's strange how people change once their team gets called out.

You didn't ask a question you senile fuck. I'm starting to think that house "you're" building is just some place you go by when the nurse takes you out for your morning walk to loosen the bowels.

You didn't ask a question you senile fuck. I'm starting to think that house "you're" building is just some place you go by when the nurse takes you out for your morning walk to loosen the bowels.

The fuck I didn't you God damn bull legged, trout nosed bitch.

LOL @ Obama for putting Ed Whitacre in charge of GM.

Let's get this bitch back on track...

http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/default/files/images/2009/Obama-Book.jpg
http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/default/files/photo/c3/8608/Its-Lifting-All-Those-Racial-Barriers_500x500.jpg

Are those China's arms? (See I can hang in the rastlin' thread)

Moxie: You lose a lot of posting points with that picture of Michelle Obama. You take it back.

And Fool is right: Tahoe has become a pathetic caricature, a parody of himself. Can't take the fact that not only was Obama elected, but he's doing a hell of a job.

I wonder if Tahoe is employing "illegals"--I'd bet the farm on it. Better watch those pictures, Tahoe, I'm going to zoom in on your crew and see if you have any Mexicans named Jimmy Zoopkowski working for you.

If so, I'll put you on report.

Moxie: You lose a lot of posting points with that picture of Michelle Obama. You take it back.

And Fool is right: Tahoe has become the only voice of reason around here. The opposition to our 'supreme being'.

If so, I'll put you on report.

I miss the old Tahoe who was funny and responsibly conservative. The one I could agree with on multiple points.

I miss the old Tahoe who was funny and responsibly conservative. The one I could agree with on multiple points.

This guy is more fun than Tahoe these days...

http://bulletproofglace.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/oreillymada30efbns9.jpg

I miss the old Tahoe who was funny and responsibly conservative. The one I could agree with on multiple points.

Y'all have such closed minds. Its amazing how libs never seem to be able to accept that.

Y'all have such closed minds. Its amazing how libs never seem to be able to accept that.

It's amazing how you take a statement by one individual and immediately turn it into "libs" right away.

Seriously, can you go 5 minutes without getting your panties in a bunch and stereotyping everyone?

I'm still trying to figure out what you see as so terribly "different" about Tahoe.

He used to be fun. Now he's not.

That's terrible.

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Obama-Announces-R.jpg

I'm posting this from the Associated Press while I still can:

WASHINGTON — In an unusual devotion of time for the president, Barack Obama is blocking out nearly an entire afternoon to promote the importance of being a good dad as a national priority.

The emphasis on responsible fatherhood is personal for Obama. When he was a presidential candidate he rebuked absentee dads _ particularly those in his own black community _ for acting like boys and putting their kids at risk. Now one of the world's most famous fathers has a presidential megaphone.

Obama on Friday planned to visit a nonprofit center that helps train young adults for professional careers; host a town hall on personal responsibility, where successful everyday dads will share their stories; and invite male students from local schools to the White House to have fun hanging with some famous faces.

The day's events were intended to kick off a White House effort on fatherhood and mentoring. The White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships will host forums around the country this summer and fall to gather ideas on good programs and to help promote them.

"We think if we can lift some of that up, we can inspire more activity and engagement on these issues," Joshua DuBois, the director of the office, told The Associated Press. "Is everything going to change because of one day at the White House and a sustained commitment throughout the year? No. But the president thinks it's important to lead by example, and to do something about these matters."

It is common for presidents to celebrate strong fatherhood, particularly heading into Father's Day weekend.

But Obama is purposely giving the matter prominent attention, knowing that alone might draw the kind of media coverage the topic otherwise would not get at a time of war, economic crisis and other important news.

While the president is visiting Year Up, a highly regarded program that helps young adults, athletes and other figures will be visiting different nonprofits to broaden the outreach. Obama also recorded a video to be shown during Saturday's Rally for Responsible Fatherhood on the National Mall.

Obama spent much of his own life without a father around. His dad left home in Hawaii when Obama was 2 years old and the future president saw his father only one other time after that. The president and his wife, Michelle, have two daughters, Sasha, 8, and Malia, 10.

"This is an issue that he takes very seriously both because he grew up without a father in his own life, but also because he's seen the impact that present fathers can have, and absent fathers can have, in our communities," DuBois said.

An estimated 24 million children are growing up with absent fathers, and a disproportionate number of them are African-American. Those children are at higher risk of falling into lives of poverty and crime and becoming parents themselves in their teenage years.

Obama bemoaned those trends last Father's Day in an attention-grabbing speech at the Apostolic Church of God in his hometown of Chicago. He said families need help _ more police on the street, more job opportunities, more good teachers _ but that responsibility starts at home.

And he has spoken about the issue many other times, too.

The White House is not expected to unveil any new public policy. But part of the effort is designed to figure out how the federal government can support or adopt programs that help fathers and at-risk children succeed.

And pull up your goddamn pants too, son!

LOL... he's doing everything _but_ hang out with his kids!

http://img3.raidpic.com/90rjmcuq.jpg

lol

Barack the Barbarian!

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/573985.html#cutid1

Anyone remember that Iraqi dude that said everything was fine when the US tanks were rolling into downtown Baghdad?

BO reminds me of him.

http://www.collinsreport.net/2008/12/17/baghdad-barack-or-baghdad-bob-who-tells-bigger-whoppers/

BO's boy "We 'misread' the economy" or some shit.

But they have the right to steal our tax money.

Not even 10% of the stimulus money spent while according to BO "We are in crisis" Well then spend the fucking money you whore bag.

dude should be impeached.

Doesn't that belong in the LOL@Biden category?

Biden said all kinds of stupid shit that came out of his ass on Sunday.

Hell, if you want to impeach Obama, impeach him for selecting Biden.

No because BO selected his dumb fuckin ass.

Impeach BO. He lied to us about the economy.

I think you're missing something important.

If you impeach Obama, you get Biden. :)

Biden's comments in context aren't very provocative. At the time, a whole lot of economists, within the administration and beyond, thought and stated that national unemployment would peak at around 8%. It's higher than that, now. Biden stated the obvious, in bullshit hyperbolic fashion as Biden does, which is why he gets his own LOL thread.

Where's the "lie"? What specific "lie" did Obama make on this front?

The caption just writes itself.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_s3qR1IWHXYM/SldUvp2O2vI/AAAAAAAACTg/UU_Rn9frdIk/s1600/504x_0709_obama_11032342_h8320192_landov.jpg

It sure does, "red x"

Here's the pic in question:
http://img4.raidpic.com/60504x_0709_obama_110323.jpg
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/when-in-rome.html

http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/obama%20leer%202.jpg

He's just trying to win over Sarkosy. The French already have an "in" with Iran (helping to build their nuclear infrastructure) and we'd like to insert some operatives with their next trip.

So, he's checking out her ass FOR NATIONAL SECURITY.


The above post is "Tahoe-Proof"

Come on, who's gonna criticize a married guy for checking out an ass? It's not like he flew halfway across the world by himself to tap it.

Dude probably knows a thing or two about round asses...just sayin'

If Bush did this y'all mofos would be coming from a completely different pov.

fuggin hipokritz

If Bush did this y'all mofos would be coming from a completely different pov.

fuggin hipokritz
Actually, he did, and no one said anything negative about it, if I recall.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x147/dspiewak/bush-volleyball.jpg

Bush had that Howard Stern quality to him -- he was so over the top in his attitude and personality that nothing he did seemed surprising, whether it be his stupidity or his humor.

Obama, being more controlled and calculating, needs to be a bit more careful where his eyes (and maybe his hands) wander.

I will say that the French pottery at big events is tres formidable. They put exceedingly attractive girls all in the same attire, straight out of a Robert Palmer video. Oh la la...

The Obama pics are taken somewhat out of context, as the video shows. If we'd had such digital video technology decades ago, we'd have shots of all the Presidents engaged in stuff like this.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/07/13/sot.obama.teleprompter.cnn.cnn

I can't hear this because I'm in a workshop without headphones but I assume this is good stuff for Tahoe.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/71760.html


MACON — U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook is seeking a federal court order to stall and eventually prevent an upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.

In the 20-page document — filed July 8 with the United States District Court, Middle District of Georgia — Cook's California-based attorney, Orly Taitz, asks the court to consider granting his client's request based upon Cook's belief that President Barrack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and is therefore ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief of U.S Armed Forces.

Cook further states he "would be acting in violation of international law by engaging in military actions outside the United States under this President’s command, and that Plaintiff would thus be simultaneously unable to perform his duties in good Rule 65(b) Application for Temporary Restraining Order 22 conscience and yet be simultaneously subjecting himself to possible prosecution as a war criminal by the faithful execution of these duties."

LOL. How can you win that case when he was already sworn in? Wouldn't his attorney have the burden of proof that Obama is not a natural citizen?

More: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/

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With his Gates comment, Obama managed to take healthcare out of the news at his healthcare conference. Haha!

He's hurtin when it takes a mistep to get another mistep out of the news.

This fuckin douce is train wreck...and I mean no disrespect Trainwreck.

Tahoe, go get your boy.

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For the love of christ

Tahoe agreed with that while drinking his pineapple vodka morning juice.

Is that clown's show still on CNN?

What are they thinking there? I mean I know these guys have rabid followings, but at what point are ratings not worth it?

That point doesn't exist.

24 hour cable news stations are Ledezma. All of them.

24 hour cable news stations are Ledezma. All of them.
LIBRUL MEDIA

I seriously lmao @ BO and his Beer Summit.... We have never had a more contrived/scripted Prez EVER!

"A teaching moment"

Yea for yourself, you dumbass. Don't jump and say you don't know the facts then accuse a police department of racism.

GO GLEN BECK! Fuckhead Prez MIGHT be a racist.

LOL @ BO??

The DJIA is pushing 9200, looking for something like its 8th straight winning week.

And remember, on March 9th it was at 6547!!!

Of course, Tahoe will say the economy is it's own living, breathing beast, and Obama had little to do with it's current success.

LOL @ BO??

The DJIA is pushing 9200, looking for something like its 8th straight winning week.

Of course, Tahoe will say the economy is it's own living, breathing beast, and Obama had little to do with it's current success.

Like I said, the economy will repair itself if left alone. Unfortunately, shit for brains decided to do all this deficit spending, so it will take longer to recover.

That dumbass voted for all the spending bills when he was Senator and blocked legilation to regulate Fannie and Fredie. He has no shame.

btw...We haven't spent shit of the trillion dollars he stole from taxpayers.

So he's not saying Obama hates white people, but he is saying he's a racist?

Wow, he can't even make his stupid point correctly.

I don't think Obama's gotten the hang of being both "the President" and "the most prominent living black role model in America" (eclipsing Oprah and MJ). He's going to get asked about every prominent "black" event in the news, and he has to know to not let it distract from whatever else he wants to do. The big LOL is that we're not talking about healthcare reform, but instead some fucking "beer summit". Sheesh.

I agreed with Obama's comments, if not their timing. What happened with the police officer arresting the guy in his own home _was_ stupid. Cops come to people's homes and defuse hairier situations all the time without calling for backup and arresting. The fact that such stupidity occurred could easliy be (rightly or wrongly) pegged as "racism" -- "driving while black" and its variations are very real things. I've seen it first-hand.

One thing that does interest me... AFAICT (and please correct me if I'm uninformed), none of Gates' other neighbors, the ones that the police officer said Gates was disrupting with his outdoor disorderly conduct in his police report, have confirmed. If there was such a high-profile disorderly "event" in the neighborhood, I'd expect at least one witness who had been "disordered" to grab 15 minutes of fame describing the angry black professor mouthing off.

^

And I feel the Prof was having a good ol time getting a white police officer to arrest him, instead of just showing that he lived there. So peeps like the prof can charge whitey is racist...again. Just do the right thing and show your ID that you live there. Is that so fucking hard?

And then for the Prez to jump in and insult the police, without knowing the facts. Jeezus.

I guarantfuckintee if BO thought he was right, he wouldn't have called for the Beer Summit. He did this to look like he's the great moderator, when in fact, he was wrong, dead wrong, and is now backtracking.

He is the master mainipulater. Hopefully y'all will see that at some point.

^

Is that so fucking hard?




Oh, the Republican party. You used to mean freedom when you said soldiers were fighting for freedom. If the founding fathers meant one thing by it, that's freedom in a nutshell.

^ LMAO

^

And I feel the Prof was having a good ol time getting a white police officer to arrest him, instead of just showing that he lived there. So peeps like the prof can charge whitey is racist...again. Just do the right thing and show your ID that you live there. Is that so fucking hard?

And then for the Prez to jump in and insult the police, without knowing the facts. Jeezus.

I guarantfuckintee if BO thought he was right, he wouldn't have called for the Beer Summit. He did this to look like he's the great moderator, when in fact, he was wrong, dead wrong, and is now backtracking.

He is the master mainipulater. Hopefully y'all will see that at some point.

He did show his ID and the fact that he lived there and was the homeowner was well established before the arrest. Don't let the facts stop you though, carry on. Also, we'd have a better chance of seeing it if "mainipulater" were a real word.

Exhibit A, by the way, for the fact the cops acted stupidly is that the disorderly conduct charges were immediately dropped as baseless.

And I feel the Prof was having a good ol time getting a white police officer to arrest him, instead of just showing that he lived there. So peeps like the prof can charge whitey is racist...again. Just do the right thing and show your ID that you live there. Is that so fucking hard?
It doesn't matter what the professor says, really. Cops deal with jackasses all the time without arresting them. Arresting someone is one of those things you don't do on a whim.


And then for the Prez to jump in and insult the police, without knowing the facts. Jeezus.
It was stupid that the police weren't able to leave the scene without making an arrest once they realized that they were barking up the wrong tree. That's not an insult. That's calling a spade a spade. Hell, the comments from the Cambridge police spokesperson, _before_ Obama got involved were: "I think both parties were wrong. I think that's fair to say.". See it yourself:
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/20133774/index.html
So, it's fair for the cops to criticize their own actions, but not Obama afterwards?

And BTW, I found at least one neighborhood witness. Here's the "disorderly conduct", as reported by the dude who took the picture of Gates in cuffs:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/education/20143900/detail.html

Bill Carter, the man who snapped a photograph of Gates being led away in handcuffs, said police officers were calm and that Gates was "slightly out of control" and "agitated" when he was arrested.

"The officers around kind of calmed him down," Carter said. "I heard him yelling -- Mr. Gates yelling. I didn't hear anything that he was saying so I couldn't say that he was belligerent."
Yup, that's enough to arrest someone over. He was so loud that he wasn't even really audible from someone right nearby (close enough to take the picture), and he was being calmed somewhat though he was agitated. Oh, here's more:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/07/23/birth_of_a_flashpoint_gatess_neighbor_captured_the _moment/

William B. Carter was headed out from his home on Ware Street in Cambridge for his daily coffee and crossword puzzle at Au Bon Pain in Harvard Square on Thursday, when he saw a commotion four doors down.

Carter, a 58-year-old former manager at Bank of America, said he saw four police officers on the porch and “at least six or seven police cars’’ in the street.
Funny, it wasn't Gates' disorderly conduct that attracted his attention, but the noise of the cops swarming in afterwards? And he was only 4 doors down and on his way out the door, and thus well situated to pick up some local disturbance?

I applaud the effort Mxy, but fear that it is in vain.

Tahoe has definitely deteriorated. He must not enjoy his work.

I still think it's LOL@Obama, don't get me wrong, but solely because he could have chosen to time it better.

I get fixated on unwarranted arrests and jail time. Growing up, I had a family member thrown in the local lockup overnight over a total bullshit accounting error. They thought he owned money to them when he didn't, and he had the receipts to prove it. He ended up staying the night because they got him on a Friday night, and didn't have anyone that they were willing to call at their end to corroborate his story/receipts. As with most government institutions, I assume a healthy amount of incompetence on the part of law enforcement, until I see evidence to the contrary. So far, the cop's account of things doesn't match either the person who reported the incident or the other neighbors who saw what was going on, and his department admits that things got out of hand. THAT's the fucking teaching moment to fix, but now it's gotten way out of hand and nothing substantive will come of it. Swell.

Fuck that rational shit Mxy.

We should give these high school dropouts with shiny stars in their wallets more guns so they can walk around being even more mad all the time and filled with more unwarranted opinions of their superiority.

I'll guarantee if the fuzz slams Tahoe's homebuild and shackles his immigrant workers, he'll be the first to damn the "man" and call for the resurrection of Che Guevara!

Y'all are making out here like I like cops. Sheeeit. Nope. But if I lost my key and was breaking into my house, I'd show the 'holier than thou's' my ID so they'd get the fuck away from me.

Y'all are making out here like I like cops. Sheeeit. Nope. But if I lost my key and was breaking into my house, I'd show the 'holier than thou's' my ID so they'd get the fuck away from me.

So, you've installed the door?

Y'all are making out here like I like cops. Sheeeit. Nope. But if I lost my key and was breaking into my house, I'd show the 'holier than thou's' my ID so they'd get the fuck away from me.

Again you spin it like Gates refused to show ID. His identity as the home owner was established well before they put the cuffs on. By the time the arrest happened it was just a cop arresting a home owner at home because the cop didn't like his attitude. Stupidly.

Obama, clearly a racist.

http://img3.raidpic.com/67Racist_Obama_Shop4.jpg

Rines?

Republican Is Not Educated Spelling?

LOL @ BO's Town Hall .... LMMFAO!

LOL @ BO for saying AARP supports the bill, WHEN THEY DON'T!

All these libs talking about misinformation should be all over BO for this... instead its crickets. Then again, I'm not doing MSNBC 24/7, its more like 0/0

http://mediamatters.org/research/200908120029

I've never seen a more horse shit article or whatever it is.



Following President Obama's comments at an August 11 town hall that "AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare," ABC News' Jake Tapper and Fox News' Bill Hemmer reported that Obama was incorrect and that the AARP hadn't endorsed any specific bill. However, while the AARP did release a statement saying it hadn't endorsed a bill, it also praised Obama's "insistence that any final reform package will not reduce Medicare benefits," which neither Tapper nor Hemmer reported; moreover, Tapper and Hemmer did not note that the group has previously praised the House tri-committee bill.


They state what the 2 dbags say and then say "HOWEVER" like the 2 dbags were wrong, but they can't say it cuz Mr CO was totally 100% wrong and misinformed the public after complaining about misinformation.

But they didn't report some other innocuous something-or-other so they try to make the reporters out to be wrong. LMAO @ media matters.

lol @ Claire McKaskill...."I don't understand this rudeness" Well what did you think of the war protestors and signs at just about every Bush speach?

From what my buddy said...CNN and pos MSNBC is just playing clips of the crowds. Where the hell were they over the last 8 years? You want to see hatred...that was hatred.

lol @ Claire McKaskill...."I don't understand this rudeness" Well what did you think of the war protestors and signs at just about every Bush speach?

From what my buddy said...CNN and pos MSNBC is just playing clips of the crowds. Where the hell were they over the last 8 years? You want to see hatred...that was hatred.
The families of those that died in an unjust war probably feel that their hatred was/is justified.

Orchestrated hatred over differences in domestic policy is hardly comparable, IMO.

lol @ Claire McKaskill...."I don't understand this rudeness" Well what did you think of the war protestors and signs at just about every Bush speach?

From what my buddy said...CNN and pos MSNBC is just playing clips of the crowds. Where the hell were they over the last 8 years? You want to see hatred...that was hatred.

Where the hell was bush over the last 8 years? He probably did fewer press conferences in his entire presidency than obama has done in the first few months. when he did show up, he whined about gotcha questions. if bush actually had the balls to defend the shit he did, i might have some respect for him. at least obama stands up for his proposals.

lol @ Claire McKaskill...."I don't understand this rudeness" Well what did you think of the war protestors and signs at just about every Bush speach?

From what my buddy said...CNN and pos MSNBC is just playing clips of the crowds. Where the hell were they over the last 8 years? You want to see hatred...that was hatred.
One group was trying to stop a war. The other was trying to stop poor people from going to the doctor. But let's not let facts get in the way of a convenient false equivalency.

One group was trying to stop a war. The other was trying to stop poor people from going to the doctor. But let's not let facts get in the way of a convenient false equivalency.

Once again, you have crystalized my thoughts exactly.

http://www.poptower.com/images/db/4955/450/500/late-show-david-letterman.jpg

I've never seen a more horse shit article or whatever it is.



They state what the 2 dbags say and then say "HOWEVER" like the 2 dbags were wrong, but they can't say it cuz Mr CO was totally 100% wrong and misinformed the public after complaining about misinformation.

But they didn't report some other innocuous something-or-other so they try to make the reporters out to be wrong. LMAO @ media matters.
The AARP said they were pleased with the House's healthcare bill a month ago, in a detailed press release. That's quite significant. It's double-speak to come out with a press release saying you're pleased with something, reviewing the specific points you're pleased with, then not consider that an endorsement just because you don't attach the word "endorsement" to it. That reflects more on the AARP than it does on Obama.

Last month, for a guv'mint job that a former co-worker was going for, I was asked to write a fairly formal "for the record" job recommendation document speaking of his virtues. Nowhere did I actually use the word "endorse" but it would surely qualify as an endorsement in my book, and it'd be a bullshit to go after the fact and call it otherwise because I didn't actually use the word. (Oh BTW, the former co-worker got the job and now he owes me. :) )

Lemme put it another way: It depends on what your definition of the word "is" is. ;)

Laffs abound:

http://obamaisliterallyhitler.tumblr.com/

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/todays-qs-for-os-wh-8122009.html


[I]f the president finds himself at a town hall meeting telling the American people that he does not want to set up a panel to kill their grandparents … perhaps, at some point, the president has lost control of the message.

^^ I think that quote does not mean what you think it means.

^^ I think that quote does not mean what you think it means.

Ok, I'll bite...

Explain, please.

One group was trying to stop a war. The other was trying to stop poor people from going to the doctor. But let's not let facts get in the way of a convenient false equivalency.

lol... Classic

The families of those that died in an unjust war probably feel that their hatred was/is justified.

Orchestrated hatred over differences in domestic policy is hardly comparable, IMO.

Ok, I picked the war but could easily have picked ANYTHING Bush did. Libs protested with signs asking for him DEAD for chrissakes now y'all are whinning about some peeps speaking their minds against Mr Community Organizer.

There were plenty of peeps who lost loved ones who supported the war too.

Libs just want to call peeps who don't want to pay for other peeps to go to the doctor Nazi's. And I think that is pretty low.

One group was trying to stop a war. The other was trying to stop poor people from going to the doctor. But let's not let facts get in the way of a convenient false equivalency.

This deserves another LOL... and I mean LOL!

Ok, I'll bite...

Explain, please.
It means when you sit there and are literally finding yourself besieged by people who uniformly believe the most absurd falsehoods, then there must someone out there with a huge chip on his shoulder, spending a lot of money spreading that misinformation. It's going to be hard to do battle with someone like that. There have been lots of them in the past - Richard Mellon Scaife, T. Boone Pickens, Ross Perot, etc.

lol @ Claire McKaskill...."I don't understand this rudeness" Well what did you think of the war protestors and signs at just about every Bush speach?

From what my buddy said...CNN and pos MSNBC is just playing clips of the crowds. Where the hell were they over the last 8 years? You want to see hatred...that was hatred.
I'm still just amazed that you had the self-confidence to post this.

Tahoe's universe is a fascinating place to live, sort of like the alternate Back To The Future 2 timeline when Biff had the future sports almanac. In Tahoe-2002, the GOP held town-hall meetings to ask us what we thought about going to war! And the liberal anti-war protesters shrieked, harassed, and threatened so loudly that the dominant liberal anti-war media took notice and wouldn't stop talking about it. In the end, because of how obnoxious they were, they got their way and no war ever happened in Iraq.

It's exactly the same as what's happening now. Exactly!

^ Wrong, but good try.

It means when you sit there and are literally finding yourself besieged by people who uniformly believe the most absurd falsehoods,then there must someone out there with a huge chip on his shoulder, spending a lot of money spreading that misinformation. It's going to be hard to do battle with someone like that. There have been lots of them in the past - Richard Mellon Scaife, T. Boone Pickens, Ross Perot, etc.

Libs believe regular peeps who don't want Gov't to take over health care are nazis. So I see your point on that.

It means when you sit there and are literally finding yourself besieged by people who uniformly believe the most absurd falsehoods, then there must someone out there with a huge chip on his shoulder, spending a lot of money spreading that misinformation. It's going to be hard to do battle with someone like that. There have been lots of them in the past - Richard Mellon Scaife, T. Boone Pickens, Ross Perot, etc.

Democratic Talking Point #112

Demonize them as "Uninformed"

Democratic Talking Point #112

Demonize them as "Uninformed"

If they believe things that are demonstrably false, such as the "death panels" myth for example, what would be the accurate description?

Libs believe regular peeps who don't want Gov't to take over health care are nazis. So I see your point on that.

I think tahoe does live in an alternative reality

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/swastikas.jpg

If they believe things that are demonstrably false, such as the "death panels" myth for example, what would be the accurate description?

I heard a Dem Senator (sorry don't know which one it was) say that they've been removed from the Senate Bill. So the things that don't exist have been removed.

But who gives a shit about the details. I don't want the Gov't to run Health Care.

I think tahoe does live in an alternative reality

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/swastikas.jpg

LMAO...Daily Kos, Huffington Post... You are work of art.

Libs believe regular peeps who don't want Gov't to take over health care are nazis. So I see your point on that.
Once again, in Tahoe's universe, the government is proposing to take over health care in some way. Meanwhile, in our universe, the proposal is to create a government-funded alternative to private health insurance that people can use, if they want to.

I don't think people who are protesting against this idea are Nazis. Anyone who would characterize them in this way would be inaccurate. However, I would describe them as "enthusiastic Brawndo (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000K7VHOG/ref=nosim/uncrate-20) drinkers."

Where have these Brawndo drinkers been for decades while Medicare was "taking over" for seniors?

I heard a Dem Senator (sorry don't know which one it was) say that they've been removed from the Senate Bill. So the things that don't exist have been removed.

But who gives a shit about the details. I don't want the Gov't to run Health Care.


I think it was Dick Durbin from Illinois. Either him or Chuck Schumer.

Sounded more like Durbin...just douchey, not Superduper douchey like Chuck.

BO is such a fuckin hypocrite, now begs religious leaders to help him on health care reform. This guy is a fuckin loser.

BO is "clinging to religion' not the peeps of Pennsavania.

BO doesn't want religions to hold a pro-life opinion, just a health care opinion. What a fucktard, FUCKTARD!

BO is such a fuckin hypocrite, now begs religious leaders to help him on health care reform. This guy is a fuckin loser.

BO is "clinging to religion' not the peeps of Pennsavania.

BO doesn't want religions to hold a pro-life opinion, just a health care opinion. What a fucktard, FUCKTARD!


pennsavania??? who's the fucktard?

edit: normally, i don't care about spelling, but Pennsavania is pretty fucking stupid.

Considering Bush was elected then re-elected, you can't place too much stock in the Re"bub"lican party. The average IQ of a typical Southern Bible Belt cattlehead is about 21, and can easily be manipulated to spew all kinds of hateful shit.

In fact, I'm OK with all of those Nazi signs. The rest of America is LOL-ing those backwards fucks.... then ignoring them, just as they always should have.

What I don't understand, is what is the 'debate' even for? Michael Steele said it yesterday, that if Obama wants to pass healthcare, he can go ahead and do it without any Republican support at all. They have the necessary votes and with reconciliation, they only need 50 votes in the Senate to pass a bill.

There is nobody to blame on the right. George W. Bush, Boehner, McConnell, Cheney, Fox News---none of these people have the ability to directly influence legislation with the current majorities the Dems hold in both the House & Senate.

So what this tells me, is that these townhall debates are to convince MODERATE DEMOCRATS (Blue Dogs) not the American right. If Obama can't convince them (which he isn't) then it proves how far to the left he's reached.

Cap-and-tax, single payer healthcare, cardcheck---these are 3 pieces of signature legislation that he campaigned hard on that moderates are just not going to go for.

It's panic time in the WH.

Now given my above post, it's now easy to see why Obama is working so fast. Between the stimulus, omnibus bill, healthcare, cap-and-trade, card check, GM bailouts...he only has a 2 year window to act on these things.

He's not going to have these types of majorities after the mid-term elections. Republicans should be able to pick up at least 20+ seats in the House and maybe 2-3 senate seats come 2010.

So I can't blame him for working fast. This may be his only shot to lay the groundwork for his 'progressive' (lol) empire.

The longer the "debate" goes on, the more money the lobbyists dump into the coffers of moderate Democrats.

Follow the money. Everything else is a smokescreen.

Oh, and Obama campaigned for public option, not single payer. But by all means, keep rewriting history in your own image. It's amusing.

Moderate Democrats aren't going to let Obama take them down. If they get on board, the 'Blue Dogs' will pay for it with their job in the 2010 elections.

Besides, the majority of the lobbying is going to come from private health insurance companies anyway, since they have the deeper pockets.

And it's not rewriting history--anyone with a pulse knows Obama desires a single-payer system (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Video-proof-Obama-wants-a-single-payer-system-52699182.html). There is no Mxy, that you could possibly be naive enough to think that the "If you like your doctors, you can keep them" bullshit Barry campaigned on was actually legit.

The Obama gov't can't even run Cash for Clunkers efficiently, so why the fuck should I believe they can effectively run health care?

Overreaching. It's going to have it's consequences. Haven't we seen this act play out before...??

1992- Clinton goes in office with Congressional majorities
1993- Hillarycare Proposed, Delayed (just like it is now)
1994- Republicans take back majorities in the House & Senate

Deja Vu.

pennsavania??? who's the fucktard?

edit: normally, i don't care about spelling, but Pennsavania is pretty fucking stupid.

Typical lib, can't deal with the message, so finds a way to attack someone. We see the same thing every day.

Seriously, I don't care what you think, what you post, what you have to say about anything. You are a total douche.

A few problems with your post, Wil....


1) The economy is beginning to recover (DJIA at 9500, and rising). Though it'll take some time to trickle that down to the job sector, Obama (like any prez should) will take full credit for the recovery, and people will believe him. And with his virtual campaigns in full swing (five emails from his cronies in four days) and hordes of die-hard followers, I don't think it's going to be a problem.

2) I have personal health care. A lot of people have personal health care. Are we going to lose our personal health care if this reform passes? Probably not. I'll still pay monthly for my benefits.

3) "Socialized" medicine isn't going to be for everybody, only those who can't afford it. Would you rather have the poor hitting the ER daily with headaches, coughs, and bruises, completely taxing the system (and not paying a dime for it), or a basic social plan that, if done right, could help curb this problem?

4) It's been talked about for quite a while. Perhaps NOW is the right time to do it. If you'd like to remain stuck in the past, there's a wonderful little town in Mississippi that's all white, with nothing but tube TV's and solid state transistor radios, and CocaCola only comes in a bottle. No, wait... that's ALL of Mississippi. They're waiting for you. BYOWS.

And it's not rewriting history--anyone with a pulse knows Obama desires a single-payer system (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Video-proof-Obama-wants-a-single-payer-system-52699182.html). There is no Mxy, that you could possibly be naive enough to think that the "If you like your doctors, you can keep them" bullshit Barry campaigned on was actually legit.
I'm sure Obama wants to cure cancer too, but that doesn't mean that he campaigned on it. He campaigned on the public option to the chagrin of Hillary and her (swiped from Edwards) mandate-for-all bullshit. He indicated during the campaign that if he started from scratch, it'd probably be single payer, but he's not starting from scratch.

Humor me -- what's the mechanism by which I'd lose access to my doctor? And what makes you think that you really have a choice? As things stand now, your doctor chooses you at least as much as you choose your doctor. The couple times I've been admitted to a hospital through the ER, I sure as hell wasn't in a position to choose a doctor, or tie my shoes.

There is TOO a Mxy. He scares me in the mirror every day. :)

The only time a doctor decided not to treat me was when he wanted to check my prostate and told him I read on the internets that it could be done with a simple blood test. He was still putting the glove on and I told him stick his finger up his own ass. He looked startled and left the room. The nurse came in and told me the appt was over. I got a call that the doc dropped me.

Typical lib, can't deal with the message, so finds a way to attack someone. We see the same thing every day.

Seriously, I don't care what you think, what you post, what you have to say about anything. You are a total douche.

typical conservative is to ignore all the crazy shit bush did and then get hysterical over every little thing that obama does. ignore that bush used terror alerts for political gain, but throw a fit because obama made an appeal to religious leaders about health care. that is totally irrational and demonstrates how silly your arguments are. it is actually to fun watch you throw a fit over every little thing obama. it is like the posting equivalent of a woman on pms throwing a tantrum about nothing.

typical conservative is to ignore all the crazy shit bush did and then get hysterical over every little thing that obama does. ignore that bush used terror alerts for political gain, but throw a fit because obama made an appeal to religious leaders about health care. that is totally irrational and demonstrates how silly your arguments are. it is actually to fun watch you throw a fit over every little thing obama. it is like the posting equivalent of a woman on pms throwing a tantrum about nothing.

LMAO...look in the mirror you whinny little bitch. You fucking cried like a baby about Bush.

You are pathetic.

I complained about bush starting a bullshit war that has killed thousands of people, fucking up the katrina response, instituting a torture regime, spying on Americans, wrecking the economy, etc. you cry about obama asking religious leaders to support his health care plan or because some union member got in a fight with a health reform protester. if you don't see the difference, there is nothing i can do to help you.

I complained about bush starting a bullshit war that has killed thousands of people, fucking up the katrina response, instituting a torture regime, spying on Americans, wrecking the economy, etc. you cry about obama asking religious leaders to support his health care plan or because some union member got in a fight with a health reform protester. if you don't see the difference, there is nothing i can do to help you.

Incredible.

Good day

The only time a doctor decided not to treat me was when he wanted to check my prostate and told him I read on the internets that it could be done with a simple blood test. He was still putting the glove on and I told him stick his finger up his own ass. He looked startled and left the room. The nurse came in and told me the appt was over. I got a call that the doc dropped me.

It is quite an offense when one man won't let another put his finger in his ass. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to talk to you anymore, doctor or not.

LOL @ BO just because he's fuckin fucktard and prolly will end up making Carter look like a good Prez.

He's fuckin everything up and we're just 9 months in. Say goodbye to America.

It does look like peeps are waking up to this douche though. As his poll numbers drop, handling of health Care numbers drop, and his douche rating numbers are on the rise.

LOL @ "saying goodbye to America" after 9 mos. Of Obama after 8 years of Bush making his buddies and daddy's buddies even richer while totally abusing the power of the office.

Normally I take your political posts with a massive grain of salt, but that's a ridiculous post.

Ridiculous to you, not to many Americans.

BTW...Remember y'all doing the 'Clinton isn't in office anymore' thing?

Well, neither is Bush.

http://img3.raidpic.com/47c45a82bc_9a39_49be_a53.jpg

^ Republicans are politicians and are too scared to do much of anything. That shouldn't be an elephant, it's Americans that don't want our Gov't running health care.

Also, lol @ bo....I haven't heard anything he did today, but you know he worked on fucking some else up.

WASHINGTON–In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/afterbirthers_demand_to_see?utm_source=onion_rss_d aily

That's disgusting, but not too far from the truth.

423 NOT Political news....but ISWYADT

423 NOT Political news....but ISWYADT

this isn't the political news thread, dumbass

Ridiculous to you, not to many Armenians.

I don't get this post. Do you live in Glendale?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A White House environmental policy adviser who specialized in "green jobs" resigned on Sunday after an uproar over his previous affiliation with a September 11 conspiracy group.

Van Jones, special adviser on green jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, apologized on Thursday after videotape surfaced of him using a crude epithet to describe Republicans and amid revelations he had signed a petition suggesting U.S. government involvement in the 2001 attacks in New York and Washington.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5850B020090906

^ what a douche...both of them.

I don't get this post. Do you live in Glendale?

Glandale Denny, Glandale.

What a radical piece of shit this guy is. bejeezus kreist this guy is incredible.

What the fuck are you talking about this time, Tahoe? You're not Nelson the bully from The Simpsons. You can't just say "ha ha" and everyone chuckles.

Another thread being blighted by the disease known as Tahoe Obscura...

BTW...whats bo doing with Iran? NK? We are at war in Iraq and Afghan and I haven't heard much, if anything, about them lately.

He must have a czar for those issues too.

Speaking of Czars...y'all are losing credibility by not jumping all over the czar thing. If Bush would have done the czar thing...OMFG y'all would have shat yourselves and had a political hernia over it.

I can't wait for the next Repub Prez and I hope he goes Czar crazy, then listen to the whinning.

Rumsfeld and Cheney got enough press lol.

"Tahoe Obscura" sounds like it might be related to "Tila Tequila"

"Czar" is just a silly title, nothing to get too worked up over. But I'm sure that won't stop you, so carry on...

On second thought, "czar" is scary as hell!

Sounds like something the Russkies might have come up with as an evil plot to defeat capitalism.

Fuck Czars.

Yeah!! Good thing we've never had any in this country!

You're goddamn right!

Well, it allows a Prez to appoint peeps without any questioning by our Gov't...see Sen Byrd (D) on that.

So we get racists, communists and who knows what else in our Govt without them being approved or elected.

What a fucktard thing to do, imo. Mr T doesn't live up to the T once again.

^ Thats the kind of shit y'all have accused Bush of and your own guys is doing it, but its crickets. Credibility?

What a fucktard thing to do, imo. Mr T doesn't live up to the T once again.

Not familiar with the word Tzar? lol

So if I follow you, you'd like to see special elections to determine who the president can have as his advocate for things like drug abuse prevention and education?

I see.

I'd like to see what Sen Byrd (DEMOCRAT) wants. Don't circumvent shit.

"We have pulled this economy back from the brink"

OMFG

LOL

Under him unemployment has risen higher than any of HIS OWN PROJECTIONS and now we are back.

BTW... I just got a call from my who's wife is a teacher and voted for him, and she can't even listen to his voice anymore. She said he is full of poo. I don't know where that came from...lil harsh. But more peeps are leaving him than joining him, thats for sure.

You do realize that the sharp spike in unemployment started in May '08 right? You also realize that the first time it went down so much as 0.1% since then was July '09?

The economy still sucks, but it has started to level out. As I've said, I'm not totally happy with Obama, but it's pretty wrong to blame this economy on him at this point. January 2010 is a fair time to look at what the economy has done, and a year is fair for any president. Nobody can come in, snap their fingers, and instantly change the path the country is on.I can't believe I just attempted to reason with Tahoe on this issue

We're gonna have 9% unemployment for the next 4 years if Roland Reagan rises from the dead to claim his rightful seat on Penn. ave. Nothing govt. can do about that.

Who's this bozo who yelled "you lie"? he has to resign, right?

You do realize that the sharp spike in unemployment started in May '08 right? You also realize that the first time it went down so much as 0.1% since then was July '09?

The economy still sucks, but it has started to level out. As I've said, I'm not totally happy with Obama, but it's pretty wrong to blame this economy on him at this point. January 2010 is a fair time to look at what the economy has done, and a year is fair for any president. Nobody can come in, snap their fingers, and instantly change the path the country is on.I can't believe I just attempted to reason with Tahoe on this issue

The claim that the economy has been brought back from the brink is dishonest and a claim that only the sheep will believe.

I cited the unemployment #'s as an example of him saying we're back when the country exceeded HIS projections. How can he say we're back?

Again, those statements are for the sheep.

edit...and many believe that we'd be better off if we hadn't added to the defecit by the TRILLION dollar spending bill. Hey, but we do need to make sure we get those tatoos off the gang members... bejeezus h

Who's this bozo who yelled "you lie"? he has to resign, right?

I was watching the Tigers and on the phone so I didn't hear it. But I did think it was funny, if true, that when Mr T said "there are still details that need to be worked out" and someone laughed is classic. Uncontrollable laughter...thats what BO brings.

We're gonna have 9% unemployment for the next 4 years if Roland Reagan rises from the dead to claim his rightful seat on Penn. ave. Nothing govt. can do about that.

I don't know and wouldn't disagree with that at all. But BO's spending will slow this recovery. Get the Gov't out of the way and let this thing run its course.

Instead lets spend a trillion on bullshit.

what we needed was to not be in debt at all and then spend our surplus we had from 30 year of great economies. Fucking selfish boomers.

You do realize that the sharp spike in unemployment started in May '08 right?

You do realize that the sharp spike in unemployment started in May '08 right?

I thought it was before that.

It was Mr T's claim, Ux, not mine.

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For the sake of the "Give a Pres a year" argument... look how that kept trending down when Bush come in to office for a year. Since we're giving creding / blaming the Pres for everything, that was Clinton's work still. It started spiking up well before 9/11. By the time Bush left office, it was higher than any point in his tenure.

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For the sake of the "Give a Pres a year" argument... look how that kept trending down when Bush come in to office for a year. Since we're giving creding / blaming the Pres for everything, that was Clinton's work still. It started spiking up well before 9/11. By the time Bush left office, it was higher than any point in his tenure.

For the sake of....listen!

I'm not saying who is responsible for unemployment for cripe sakes...He said it was back and.... oh nvm. why i tried to reason with ux is beyond me

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As many Dems that called Bush a liar...I could and prolly should say, QUIT YOUR FUCKING WHINNING! oh how things change when your guy is in office...but I won't :)

Ok then. We're not saying who is responsible. How fast did you expect unemployment to pull a complete u-turn and be back to a steady 4-5%? It took Bush (for example because of the graph) 3 years to go from 6 to 4.5%.

Ok then. We're not saying who is responsible. How fast did you expect unemployment to pull a complete u-turn and be back to a steady 4-5%? It took Bush (for example because of the graph) 3 years to go from 6 to 4.5%.

He said it, not me.

And it would be faster if you don't add a trillion to the debt that will have to be paid back in taxes.

As many Dems that called Bush a liar...I could and prolly should say, QUIT YOUR FUCKING WHINNING! oh how things change when your guy is in office...but I won't :)
Sorta intellectually dishonest to come in here everyday and poke Obama/his supporters with a stick and then accuse them of whining.

I can only think of one poster that's been continually whining here.

No disrespect, of course.

Sorta intellectually dishonest to come in here everyday and poke Obama/his supporters with a stick and then accuse them of whining.

I can only think of one poster that's been continually whining here.

No disrespect, of course.

Wiki = Whinning

Y'all not whinning about worse things than Bush = dishonest.

edit...also...y'all had your fun with Palin, her daughters, her clothes, etc. Seems to me I'm at least leaving out BO's children. Then there were the Bush twins posts.

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edit...also...y'all had your fun with Palin, her daughters, her clothes, etc. Seems to me I'm at least leaving out BO's children. Then there were the Bush twins posts.

We'll have to start calling you "High Road Tahoe", lol.

I remember a lot of fun being made at Palin's parenting "skills" and exploitation of the baby more than any direct assaults on the kids. As far as the Bush twins go, once Obama's kids turn 18 and move on to getting wasted in public, then I think they're fair game for you.

It's no shock why many politicians, once elected, disappear from public eye. They don't try to make a difference. They don't try anything new. They don't take chances.

They simply hang around for the duration of their term, launch a few sound bytes once in a while to remain relevant, dine with lobbyists, vote along party lines, and generally exist for one purpose -- get re-elected.

It because of THIS. Like Obama or hate him, you cannot deny that he's TRYING something. And don't say basic health care is not necessary -- it's been a hot topic for well over a decade.

Every single time I hear somebody call him a socialist, I laugh. What the fucking hell do you think your fire department is, or your police department? How about social security, or unemployment benefits? Isn't THAT a form of "socialisim"? No. It's a "social service". right? But when Obama attempts to roll out a health plan which fits under the category of "social service", he's labeled a Socialist.

Stupid motherfuckers. Go back to backwards pissbucket Mississippi and chaw on some Okra.

Y'all not whinning about worse things than Bush = dishonest.

Bush killed Americans and tortured foreigners. Don't even try. Just keep drinking yourself into a stupor during Hannity's America and coming in here with your half sentence long posts.

Unemployment started rising before Reagan, and continued to rise quite a bit after Reagan. The first couple years of Reagan's term were just brutal... a bit worse than they are today. When Reagan was re-elected in that landslide in 1984, unemployment was HIGHER than when came in, and didn't decline below when he was first sworn in until 1987 or so.

So, LOL at any Republicans who bitch about Obama and unemployment.

YOU LIE

Rep. Joe Wilson's opponent gets a boost (http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/09/rep-joe-wilsons-opponent-gets-a-boost.html)


Democrat Robert Miller, a retired Marine and Iraq veteran who is challenging Wilson in next year’s election, had just $48,974 in campaign funds as of June 30, according to CQ MoneyLine. Since Wilson’s comment, Miller has banked over $400,000 in new donations from more than 11,000 individual contributions

LOL@Obama

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Rep. Joe Wilson's opponent gets a boost (http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2009/09/rep-joe-wilsons-opponent-gets-a-boost.html)

Just heard about this on the ride in this morning. It's up to 3/4 of a mill.

It seems like the GOP these days is the party for people who cannot bring themselves in alignment with consensus reality. Words don't have meanings except the ones they create. Nothing is factual unless they say it is.

If you write of a health care bill that creates a government-operated public health care option, you have to take certain things into account. You obviously have to build in some protections to the plan that prevent illegal immigrants from signing up - no one wants that to happen. Seriously. I don't know where delusional people started thinking that Democrats desperately want to piss away our social safety net on illegal immigrants, because that doesn't make any sense. But whatever anti-illegal measures you put into such a system, you can't make them so tough that they would actually prevent an actual legal citizen from signing up. And that's what Joe Wilson was yelling about.

But that's not what Congressman Joe Wilson wants. He doesn't want any health care reform bill to pass at all. Whether or not it actually contains a public option, and whether or not that public option is so draconian that not a single person, legal or illegal, could sign up for it, Joe Wilson wouldn't vote for it anyway. There is literally NO health care reform that Joe Wilson would support. He is so out out touch with reality that he thinks the health insurance system in America has no problems and should be left as it is.

If you stripped EVERYTHING out of this health care bill except, say, where it prevents health insurance companies from dropping you due to a pre-existing condition, he would still be yelling until he's red in the face about how the bill secretly gives the Ministry of Magic the power to infect everyone in the world with gum disease. He will stop at nothing to knock down any tiny measure that will get in the way of health insurance companies exploiting people. He cannot be reasoned with.

They just can't take the chance that a Democrat might get credit for this if it works and is popular.

Poll: Support for Public Option Grows (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/11/opinion/polls/main5303015.shtml)

LOL@BO

It seems like the GOP these days is the party for people who cannot bring themselves in alignment with consensus reality. Words don't have meanings except the ones they create. Nothing is factual unless they say it is.

If you write of a health care bill that creates a government-operated public health care option, you have to take certain things into account. You obviously have to build in some protections to the plan that prevent illegal immigrants from signing up - no one wants that to happen. Seriously. I don't know where delusional people started thinking that Democrats desperately want to piss away our social safety net on illegal immigrants, because that doesn't make any sense. But whatever anti-illegal measures you put into such a system, you can't make them so tough that they would actually prevent an actual legal citizen from signing up. And that's what Joe Wilson was yelling about.

But that's not what Congressman Joe Wilson wants. He doesn't want any health care reform bill to pass at all. Whether or not it actually contains a public option, and whether or not that public option is so draconian that not a single person, legal or illegal, could sign up for it, Joe Wilson wouldn't vote for it anyway. There is literally NO health care reform that Joe Wilson would support. He is so out out touch with reality that he thinks the health insurance system in America has no problems and should be left as it is.

If you stripped EVERYTHING out of this health care bill except, say, where it prevents health insurance companies from dropping you due to a pre-existing condition, he would still be yelling until he's red in the face about how the bill secretly gives the Ministry of Magic the power to infect everyone in the world with gum disease. He will stop at nothing to knock down any tiny measure that will get in the way of health insurance companies exploiting people. He cannot be reasoned with.

I'm not really informed on the topic, but is it true that employers are going to say, "o look public option-please gtfo out of our insurance benefits now and take what everyone else is taking kthx," or is that just spittle running down my professor's ascot?

Public option = death of privatized plans?

Republicans submitted 2 ammendmants to the bill that specifically stated that illegals wouldn't be covered and both were rejected.

Democrat Robert Miller, a retired Marine and Iraq veteran who is challenging Wilson in next year’s election, had just $48,974 in campaign funds as of June 30, according to CQ MoneyLine. Since Wilson’s comment, Miller has banked over $400,000 in new donations from more than 11,000 individual contributions

You find this surprising? The left does have money you know. And they have ACORN.

You find this surprising? The left does have money you know. And they have ACORN.

Then why isn't the right, who also has money you know, throwing money at Wilson?
It's because he fucked up

Bush killed Americans and tortured foreigners. Don't even try. Just keep drinking yourself into a stupor during Hannity's America and coming in here with your half sentence long posts.

Bush killed Americans...jeezus you've lost it. I don't think I ever put you in that whacked out left, til now.

We'll have to start calling you "High Road Tahoe", lol.

I remember a lot of fun being made at Palin's parenting "skills" and exploitation of the baby more than any direct assaults on the kids. As far as the Bush twins go, once Obama's kids turn 18 and move on to getting wasted in public, then I think they're fair game for you.

Why wait til they're 18? Y'all didn't on Palin's daughters. But you are correct. I wont stoop to that level.

Bush killed Americans...jeezus you've lost it. I don't think I ever put you in that whacked out left, til now.

Bush didn't kill americans. He sent thousands to their deaths in his war of choice, but he didn't kill them.

Republicans submitted 2 ammendmants to the bill that specifically stated that illegals wouldn't be covered and both were rejected.
Depending on how you read that, it could be either right or wrong.

It's right if you are saying that the bill specifically stated that immigrants wouldn't be covered. It does. No amendments were necessary. That was part of the main bill.

It's wrong if you're implying that, in the absence of the two amendments, illegals automatically get something they shouldn't. No, the two amendments were about whether or not to do costly "strict" checks on immigration status as opposed to explicitly giving HHS discretion on how to do the checks. You have to balance the cost of doing the checks vs. the money saved. It turns out that checking U.S. citizenship is a costly nightmare because there's no ubiquitous "citizenship card" short of a passport for those people actually born here. There have been beneficial effects from not doing strict checks on illegals contributing to guv'mint programs. Social Security and Medicare get billions from illegal and non-permanent residents that can't withdraw it. When the checks are really needed is at the caregiver level, but that's costly to make them the citizenship police.

Mxy BO has been saying for months that there are 45 mil uninsured. 12mil of those are illegals. In his bullshit speech the other night, he dropped it to 30mil. How 12-15 mil all of the sudden rec'd insurance is beyond me.

So maybe he took them out, but since its such a point of contention, why not be bipartisan (his bullshit claim) and simply add the ammendment. I think the bill is currently about 10 inches thick. Why not add a couple more pages to be bipartisan?

Bush didn't kill americans. He sent thousands to their deaths in his war of choice, but he didn't kill them.

You have to make some tough calls as Prez.

Mxy BO has been saying for months that there are 45 mil uninsured. 12mil of those are illegals. In his bullshit speech the other night, he dropped it to 30mil. How 12-15 mil all of the sudden rec'd insurance is beyond me.

So maybe he took them out, but since its such a point of contention, why not be bipartisan (his bullshit claim) and simply add the ammendment. I think the bill is currently about 10 inches thick. Why not add a couple more pages to be bipartisan?
Did you get the part where it COSTS money?

We don't want to restrict illegals and other non-citizens from being able to contribute into the system, any more than we'd want to restrict them from arbitrarily plopping a million bucks into our bank accounts. Where we want to impose the check is at the point of delivery of service, and the problem is that such restrictions costs money and make the program more expensive. Most people don't have passports, and isn't it the Republicans making a stink about how birth certificates aren't enough?

I dont' want them to contribute and I don't want them getting health care on my dime. plain and simple.

I don't want gov't run healther care.

I dont' want them to contribute and I don't want them getting health care on my dime. plain and simple.

I don't want gov't run healther care.

I want lapdances were funded in the stimulus plan. Reality intrudes to remind us that what we want has to be reconciled with the way things are. Wishing it away won't change the fact that illegals exist and the healthcare system doesn't exist in a bubble unaffected by the government.

edit: Health care really needs its own thread.

Bush killed Americans...jeezus you've lost it. I don't think I ever put you in that whacked out left, til now.

You've been dead to me for months.

You've been dead to me for months.

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I dont' want them to contribute and I don't want them getting health care on my dime. plain and simple.

I don't want gov't run healther care.
Will you swear, here and now, to relinquish Medicare when you come of age?

If you have a valid social security #, or a green card, then you get care.

Simple enough.

Will you swear, here and now, to relinquish Medicare when you come of age?

I swear here and now god damn it, (I thought that was kind of funny) that I don't want the Gov't to take over any more of any part of our economy...especially 1/6th of our economy and especially something like health care.

See Social Insecurity.

I don't want socialized medicine. I don't want a socialized country. I don't want social engineering. I want smaller Gov't.

But I do want Medicare.

We get it.

I think Ghana might have a smaller government.

We're a big place that needs adequate staffing, funding and services.

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Hopefully BO will step up and cut ties with ACORN from ALL federal money.

^ lol @ me for thinking that.

Depending on how you read that, it could be either right or wrong.

It's right if you are saying that the bill specifically stated that immigrants wouldn't be covered. It does. No amendments were necessary. That was part of the main bill.

It's wrong if you're implying that, in the absence of the two amendments, illegals automatically get something they shouldn't. No, the two amendments were about whether or not to do costly "strict" checks on immigration status as opposed to explicitly giving HHS discretion on how to do the checks. You have to balance the cost of doing the checks vs. the money saved. It turns out that checking U.S. citizenship is a costly nightmare because there's no ubiquitous "citizenship card" short of a passport for those people actually born here. There have been beneficial effects from not doing strict checks on illegals contributing to guv'mint programs. Social Security and Medicare get billions from illegal and non-permanent residents that can't withdraw it. When the checks are really needed is at the caregiver level, but that's costly to make them the citizenship police.

Well, say what you want, but BO closed the loophole after Wilson's 'liar' claim. So I think I was right.