MSU received its first 2010 committment from Max Bullough. The kid had offers from ND, Stanford, UCLA, Iowa and MSU. Pretty much a legacy recruit. Gholston is expected to follow soon. Nice start for MSU.

I'll just sticky this as the 2010 recruiting page if it's cool with you, buk. Unless you want it to be MSU specific...

I'll just sticky this as the 2010 recruiting page if it's cool with you, buk. Unless you want it to be MSU specific...
Thats cool.

Michigan's 2010 Commits

- Ricardo Miller, WR (offers from Florida, S. Florida)

- Jeremy Jackson, WR (offers from Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Stanford, Minnesota, Iowa)

- Marvin Robinson, S (offers from USC, UCLA, Tennessee)

Marvin Robinson did not commit yet, just so you know.

Marvin Robinson did not commit yet, just so you know.


Well, he's all but officially given a verbal that he's committing to UM...

Also Gholston is not a MSU Lock

Well, he's all but officially given a verbal that he's committing to UM...
Seriously, will you just shut up. Everytime you post, you remind me of an 8 year old kid talking about his love of Batman.

5 Motowns for Bukky.

Seriously, will you just shut up. Everytime you post, you remind me of an 8 year old kid talking about his love of Batman.

Seriously, will you just shut up. Everytime you post, you remind me of a 30 year old man talking about his love of Dimitrius Underwood.

Ricardo Miller...

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/TheRecruitnik


Michigan is struggling this year, but Orlando (Fla.) Dr. Phillips WR Ricardo Miller isn't about to change his mind. The class of 2010 Michigan commitment gave his word to the Wolverines last month, and he told Sporting News Today he's confident his future school is only going to improve exponentially in the next couple of seasons.

The 6-foot-1, 195-pound pass target has family in Michigan--his mother has relatives in Flint and his dad has family in Detroit. Miller dreamed of playing for Michigan one day.

"They're not doing the best right now, but nobody thought they'd be undefeated this soon," Miller told SN Today. "They're still getting into the spread offense, and it's hard to adapt to a new offense and a new coach. But I know coach (Rich) Rodriguez is going to turn it around, and I can't wait to be a part of the success in the future."

Miller immediately picked up scholarship offers from South Florida, Stanford, Tennessee, Central Florida and Florida after coaches could extend written offers to juniors on Sept. 1. But when Michigan offered on Sept. 29, he committed on the spot.

Still over a year and 3 months til' he can sign a LOI...let's hope he has that same attitude at this time next year. I swear man, some of these kids...they say one thing and do another...

I almost hate that he committed so early. It will make it that more painful should he de-commit a year from now.

Marvin Robinson enjoyed his visit to U-M, but did not commit. He says Michigan is still at the top of his list, but he will not commit until after the season, or maybe even longer. Has me a bit worried. For those who don't know, he's a junior 5 star stunner safety who already has offers from Florida, Ohio State, USC, and Tennessee.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/883/709636.jpg

Ricardo Miller...

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/TheRecruitnik



Still over a year and 3 months til' he can sign a LOI...let's hope he has that same attitude at this time next year. I swear man, some of these kids...they say one thing and do another...

I almost hate that he committed so early. It will make it that more painful should he de-commit a year from now.


Miller seems pretty solid. If you, unlike almost everyone who subscribes to Scout, would read the shit you pay for, you'd know his MOms graduated from UM and he committed on the spot when offered.
I actually think he and Robinson will be UM guys through and through (until Miles tells them that Rodriguez has AIDS and is dying).

Zip, have you seen the video of RB Demetrius Hart on scout?

Zip, have you seen the video of RB Demetrius Hart on scout?

No. I severed my tenuous relationship with Scout and PMed some punk who was stalking me a bunch of pictures of fag sex, so they revoked any and all of my access to the board.

And why exactly did you have pictures of fag sex that you could send?

Didn't do yourself any favors with that post, Zip.

And why exactly did you have pictures of fag sex that you could send?

Didn't do yourself any favors with that post, Zip.

Do you mean to imply that I might actually care what you think about me?:dismissed:

Uh, you have a lot more to worry about than me. Not sure that the 1/2 person here that gave a crap about your opinion is going to still care when they know that you're all about sending gay pics to people. Bukky might like that shit, and the two of you could always get together with MUHME on a 3-man board and have lots of 3-man fun together, but I don't want anything to do with that shit.

Uh, you have a lot more to worry about than me. Not sure that the 1/2 person here that gave a crap about your opinion is going to still care when they know that you're all about sending gay pics to people. Bukky might like that shit, and the two of you could always get together with MUHME on a 3-man board and have lots of 3-man fun together, but I don't want anything to do with that shit.
Weak.

But, I must say, I respect your supporting the Special Olympics with your avatar.

You're saying a 17 or 18 year old kid is handicapped and yet you're calling me weak. Perhaps someday you'll get a life, move on, and lament the fact that you ever wasted your time obsessing about a kid who signed an LOI to a school that hasn't even been a worthy rival in hoops for 15 years.
But until then, good luck with the hookers.

You say "hookers" as if that's a bad thing.

You're saying a 17 or 18 year old kid is handicapped and yet you're calling me weak. Perhaps someday you'll get a life, move on, and lament the fact that you ever wasted your time obsessing about a kid who signed an LOI to a school that hasn't even been a worthy rival in hoops for 15 years.
But until then, good luck with the hookers.
Awww, such a big, honest man. Such a champion of decency and uprightness. Shucks, Beav, you convinced me.

Apparently Michigan extended an offer to QB Robert Bolden today of St. Mary's and now has offers out to Bolden, Devin Gardner and I believe Christian Green of Florida and I wonder if one will bite before the others and drive them away. It'll be interesting to see how QB recruiting plays out in the next 12 months.

Apparently Michigan extended an offer to QB Robert Bolden today of St. Mary's and now has offers out to Bolden, Devin Gardner and I believe Christian Green of Florida and I wonder if one will bite before the others and drive them away. It'll be interesting to see how QB recruiting plays out in the next 12 months.

I want Gardner, but I think Green has a Florida offer as a junior, so that cat has to be tight.

This is a question for the Sparties on the board.........

Now that 2009 is over and we're looking ahead to 2010 recruiting (YES, we all have a problem) what do you think the biggest needs are for the team. I don't follow State "close enough" to try and guess what they are so I thought I'd ask the experts on here.

While I'm far from a Sparty, I've looked at their past couple classes and the amount of defensive talent is very sparse. I think they've got to be worried about that. They certainly need to add some playmakers on D in the 2010 class, particularly DT but that certainly isn't the only need.
The only other position I see that may be a concern is the OL, and that's only because I don't know how it shakes out position-wise. They have players there, but I haven't looked to see how many are tackles, how many are guards, etc. They could be ok, or there could be a hole that I'm not seeing.

By the way, before people jump all over me about Wilson and Jeremiah, realize we're talking about what this team will need to add for the season after next, which will be their last year. I don't think you want an empty cubbard and hopes of true freshmen saving you at the position. (trust me, UM fans know).

The Twins is at it again: He says on Scout (another place that has rejected him roundly) that Devin Gardner of Inkster High is a silent commit to OSU. He claims his usual "reliable sources"). Oh, this guy is a fucktard if ever there was.
The funny thing is, one day he'll get it right, and like bukdow (although bukdow never really states anything in concrete terms because he has no balls), he'll be on here and Scout going: Aw YEAH? Who's the man? Love posters like this. Scout is full of them. On Sunday, some fucktard posted that he was "hearing duscussion" that next year's 12th game for UM would be with Wichita State.
I'll let you guys think about that one for awhile.

The Twins is at it again: He says on Scout (another place that has rejected him roundly) that Devin Gardner of Inkster High is a silent commit to OSU. He claims his usual "reliable sources"). Oh, this guy is a fucktard if ever there was.
The funny thing is, one day he'll get it right, and like bukdow (although bukdow never really states anything in concrete terms because he has no balls), he'll be on here and Scout going: Aw YEAH? Who's the man? Love posters like this. Scout is full of them. On Sunday, some fucktard posted that he was "hearing duscussion" that next year's 12th game for UM would be with Wichita State.
I'll let you guys think about that one for awhile.

We know, of course, that it's Delaware State.

As for twins, he said UM was a lock for a guy that went to OSU, so does that mean a guy "silently committed" to OSU will surely end up at UM?

This is a question for the Sparties on the board.........

Now that 2009 is over and we're looking ahead to 2010 recruiting (YES, we all have a problem) what do you think the biggest needs are for the team. I don't follow State "close enough" to try and guess what they are so I thought I'd ask the experts on here.

This is the first time since Saban that they don't have canyon sized holes. But in order to reach a level where they are legit contenders for BCS bowls they need to add more defensive backs (althought the secondary will be very strong next year) because of the spread wave and most importantly they need to add a premier 4-5 star Rush End (William Gholston). I say they are at 65% chance of landing him, he was rumored to be near committing months ago. 09 class was loaded with top end offensive line talent, they signed nearly an entire O line but considering their style they need to continue to stock pile. There is my random pop in post for the week.

This is the first time since Saban that they don't have canyon sized holes. But in order to reach a level where they are legit contenders for BCS bowls they need to add more defensive backs (althought the secondary will be very strong next year) because of the spread wave and most importantly they need to add a premier 4-5 star Rush End (William Gholston). I say they are at 65% chance of landing him, he was rumored to be near committing months ago. 09 class was loaded with top end offensive line talent, they signed nearly an entire O line but considering their style they need to continue to stock pile. There is my random pop in post for the week.

Tre, great post and very intelligent. I like it when we can have actual discussions and not be forced to listen to the dribble that comes from some of the idiot posters on here.

FYI, Gholston is going to play DE in college, he is going to play OLB. It doesn't matter whether its a 3-4 or a 4-3, but the kid does not want to play DE in college.

Tre, great post and very intelligent. I like it when we can have actual discussions and not be forced to listen to the dribble that comes from some of the idiot posters on here.

FYI, Gholston is going to play DE in college, he is going to play OLB. It doesn't matter whether its a 3-4 or a 4-3, but the kid does not want to play DE in college.
Ah, goofball, that would be drivel. Just stick to the mayonnaise and don`t try to act like you use Colman`s mustard.

Thanks for adding to the "recruiting" thread Bukdow. You're my hero!

Tre, great post and very intelligent. I like it when we can have actual discussions and not be forced to listen to the dribble that comes from some of the idiot posters on here.

FYI, Gholston is going to play DE in college, he is going to play OLB. It doesn't matter whether its a 3-4 or a 4-3, but the kid does not want to play DE in college.

He might have to play DE though with a recent measurement of 6'7".

I've heard Gholston compared to Shawn Crable a lot. Crable was only 6'5", though. He was someone that people never were quite sure if he should be a DE or OLB.

Not sure whats going on, but there seems to be some rumblings about Michigan stealing a HUGE player from Ohio very soon. It's one of those rumors going around and it's hard to get a straight answer from anyone............hopefully he is a good player.

Not sure whats going on, but there seems to be some rumblings about Michigan stealing a HUGE player from Ohio very soon. It's one of those rumors going around and it's hard to get a straight answer from anyone............hopefully he is a good player.

Rivals 250 to watch WR Jerald Robinson, 6'3", 185. Niiiice.

Rivals 250 to watch WR Jerald Robinson, 6'3", 185. Niiiice.

Niiiice is right. Can't go wrong with 3 top 250 WR's and either the 1st or 2nd best WR from Michigan, Florida and Ohio. Now we just need to keep all those studly CB's away from tO$U..........starting with Cullen Christian and Lo Wood.

Marvin Robinson is going to be the #1 prize of the 2010 crop...

Landing him along with Wood, Christian, and Dior Mathis would really bolster our DB situation for the next few years...

Call it Kool-Aid, but I think Michigan has a top 3 recruiting class in 2010.

I wouldn't be surprised if Notre Dame ran away with the top class again.

I wouldn't be surprised if Notre Dame ran away with the top class again.

I would. They really tailed off this year. There are getting to be too many good recruiters in the places ND needs to go. Sheet, even Dantonio seems capable of locking up Michigan talent. Put that together with Michigan, and Notre Dame loses out in a stae where they have a history of stealing top players. And down south, they're fucked with guys like Saban, Miles, Petrino, Meyer, and even Kiffin at Tennessee. Not to mention the recruiting being done by Norf Carolina, the revival at Florida State, and Miami. Out in California, Neuheisel will really battle with Pete and Snoop for top talent. Sarkisian at Washington will be a force as well. I just don't see Notre Dame being able to rely on anything but the typical Catholic haul they get. Notre Dame is going to get squeeezed out in the long run if you axe me.

They've already got some of the top recruits in the class, and they're in on more of the rest than anyone else.

As for them just getting the typical Catholic, consider this. They had the biggest signing day coup of anyone this year, when Manti Teo - a Mormon who plans to serve a two year mission after a year - chose ND over USC.

Devin Gardner dropped Ohio State from his list.


I'll be really surprised if he doesn't end up in Ann Arbor. He's Michigan's to lose. I'd be almost impossbile for Rich Rod to f this one up...

Devin Gardner dropped Ohio State from his list.


I'll be really surprised if he doesn't end up in Ann Arbor. He's Michigan's to lose. I'd be almost impossbile for Rich Rod to f this one up...

I'm putting my money on Gardner ending up at LSU. Just playing a hunch on that one.

I also think it's interesting that tO$U is putting all their eggs in the Nick Montana basket. Hard to believe a kid in USC's backyard with a famous father from ND will end up anywhere but those two schools, but apparently Joe Montana is a great friend of the Sweater Vest and he thinks Charlie the Hut is a moron. Even though Montana is not a Michigan recruit I think his recruitment will be one of the more interesting ones of the next year.

Why would he go to LSU???

They just got 2 QB's this past year, including Russell Shepard.

They got that Jefferson, dual-threat kid last year.

IDK about that one.

Why would he go to LSU???

They just got 2 QB's this past year, including Russell Shepard.

They got that Jefferson, dual-threat kid last year.

IDK about that one.

Just reading his quotes and how he talks about his game I don't see him going to Michigan. He really likes getting out of the state and he sees himself in more of a pro-style offense that can throw in a little spread now and then. I think it's a little interesting that he dropped tO$U for the reasons he did at this point.

FWIW, I obviously want DG as he has the raw tools to be a great fit in the RR offense. The good thing is that between Sims, Gardner, Green, Bolden, Stokes and the other 3 or 4 guys we're up on I don't see how things will end badly for us in terms of QB recruiting. I would think any of the 2 listed above would be great and if we only got 1 it probably wouldn't really kill us with 2 young QB's on the roster already.

Ricardo Miller's moving to Ann Arbor with his family. And he'll play at Huron with Jeremy Jackson this fall.

Talk about strange.

There are some rumblings around that Michigan is close to it's 4th commitment in the 2010 class, but I can't seem to find anything about said player..............anyone hearing anything concrete on who it is?

Oddly enough it's another WR, DJ Williamson out of Warren Harding in Ohio (same school as Manningham and Brugess).
Was at Junior day, got an offer, and is super high on the school.
Here's a link for him that includes a video.
http://scoutingohio.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=989&name=djwilliamson21%40yahoo.com

At this rate, Rodriguez will be on pace to recruit 19 wide receivers and 4 slot-dots.
Of course, the prevailing theory on Scout is "Oh shit yeah! We can just take those guys who aren't good enough to be receivers in college and turn them into linebackers and defensive backs at Michigan! All it takes is a lil BARWIS and chocolate milk!"

Genius.

Well get ready for Bukdow to bad mouth Devin Gardner from Inkster very soon. Looks like he has set up a Monday decision and will commit to the University of Michigan. I can only imagine what Bukdow will say about his character, work ethic and his skin color............stay tuned folks.

HAHA! I've already seen it on another message board, the Detroit News Big Ten forum. Their Alpha Sparty trashed him already. Rumors are floating that Austin White is leaning blue as well, filly, you heare anything on that? Man, I thought the state was getting greener.
If only, if only, Will Gholston...but he plays defense.

Apparently DG is now going to skip the Jimmy Clausen press conference and just commit to Michigan at their Junior Day on Saturday and along with the other 3 commitments will help sway other top juniors toward Michigan. #1 on the list is said to be LB Will Gholston.

P.S. I still think its weird that he wants to play LB at 6'7" but so far Michigan is the only school to offer him as a LB and not as a DE. Hopefully, it pays off in the end.

Devin Gardner's coach released the info that it's UM. He's on board. We're looking at "Junior Day" this weekend (I think, maybe next weekend) and one more commit is expected, a wide receiver from Ohio. DJ Williamson or something like that.

Apparently Michigan had a "mystery commit" last night, according to King Beaver. He says it's a pleasant surprise, but makes sense, isn't Earf shattering, but UM fans will like it. It's not the receiver from Ohio, not a kid named "Austin", and no other clues.

The funny thing is that our old buddy the twins was at it again, saying he knew exactly who it was. He said it was an Austin, but that the Austin might not be "white"--UM is recruiting Austin White and Austin Gray. Anyway, I tjust thought it funny that the twins guarantee that Austin (somebody) was Blue was debunked three posts later by King Beaver. Looks like the twins will keep his pinpoint accuracy on his the twins Recruit Predictometer right at about .001%.

Well get ready for Bukdow to bad mouth Devin Gardner from Inkster very soon. Looks like he has set up a Monday decision and will commit to the University of Michigan. I can only imagine what Bukdow will say about his character, work ethic and his skin color............stay tuned folks.
I have no problem with the kid. However, if he starts acting like a jazz-handing thug like William Campbell, then I will have a problem with him. Frankly, I hope the kid beats out that little milktoast honky Forcier.

Now what's the problem with honkies?
Forcier is going to DOMINATE the Big Ten and little ballet dancing, crying, "Mommie come with me to Okalahoma so I don't turn gay" Keith Nichol. DingDontonio is going to be going crazy to find bible quotes to patch his blasted ego for the next decade. He will probably eventually go postal and kill a bunch of people. He has it in him, I can see it.

I love Dantonio bible quote references.

Now what's the problem with honkies?
Forcier is going to DOMINATE the Big Ten and little ballet dancing, crying, "Mommie come with me to Okalahoma so I don't turn gay" Keith Nichol. DingDontonio is going to be going crazy to find bible quotes to patch his blasted ego for the next decade. He will probably eventually go postal and kill a bunch of people. He has it in him, I can see it.

ever since bucky was rightly called out for being a cross burning member of the kkk hes been compensating by ripping on white people. its transparent and embarrassing--even for someone who graduated from a last ranked school.

im excited about forcier as well. his game sounds colt mccoy esque, which would work wonders in RR's system, i would think.

those school rankings were stupid but fair game on bukk since he rips on michigan degrees all the time

I agree diddy. buckdow has joined the "I hate whitey" parade, and it's nothing but a ruse.

I hate white people? That`s silly. All of my friends are white.

I have a friend who is white.

Back on track - DJ Williamson (the WR rumored about) did, in fact, commit this weekend. An OLB from Youngstown Liberty (same school as Isaiah Bell and Fitzgerald Touissant) named Antonio Kinard has commited as well.

What's uncertain is whether or not Gardner is commited, and if not, when he will be. There doesn't seem to be any concern whether he will be or not, just a timeline. The biggest factor there, really, is that if commited many assumed he would do a lot of recruiting around the state on his own and hopefully it might impact Austin White, Austin Gray, William Gholston, etc.

I don't know where you get the "Big Concern" about Gardner. He said he's just shutting it down until basketball season is over. I'll bet you, though, 100Millions of Dollars that Tressel offers him a scholarship just to muddle things up. I'm not buying this Montana kid thing from that snakey pervert Tressel.

I have no doubts about Gardner's committment, Jethro. Don't be a Scout douchebag worry wart.

Did you even read my post? You put "Big Concern" in quotes as though I said it, but I never did. In fact, I spoke to the fact that it was more when than if.

Read, moron.

^^^Yes, you are correct. I really must practice my reading skillz a bit.
But there is no need to call names, douchebag.

I don't know if I care for all these WR's.

I'm sure there are better places to which we could be allocating these scholarships.

Especially since we only have 2 WR's on the roster that will be gone after this year (Mathews & Savoy).

I'm assuming the plan is for a guy like Jerald Robinson to play corner or something instead. And James Jackson to play the TE flanker like Koger is doing.

I think you mean JEREMY Jackson. And Wilfredo, you know everyone on Scout thinks that with a lil BARWIS and chocolate milk, these wide receivers can be instantly transformed into monster DB's and linebackers!

I think these guys are being brought in to actually PLAY the receiver position: Big, physical (all are 6'2 or better), and can block for the bubble screens and other flailings of the Spread Offense.

This may sound weird, but I would like to see the staff recruit players to positions they have, uh, actually played, and believe they will. I think all the sily machinations are more examples of Message Board Guy thinking too much.

Anyone know much about him????

Michigan has landed yet another Ohioan, and yet another Youngstown Liberty standout. Antonio Kinard, a 6-4, 210 pound outside linebacker, committed to the Wolverines over the weekend, he informed TheWolverine.com tonight.

"I committed [Friday], actually," he reported. "I told Coach [Rich] Rodriguez on the football field in the Big House. That's where I told him.


Cyle Nunemaker
"He was excited. He had a big smile on his face. He just told me 'welcome to the family,' and that he was looking forward to me coming up there and playing for him."

Kinard is the high school teammate of two members of the 2009 recruiting class, with running back Fitzgerald Toussaint and safety Isaiah Bell also hailing from Youngstown Liberty. He finished with 86 tackles, including six sacks, during his junior season.

"I just finished telling Isaiah Bell about an hour ago and I told Fitzgerald the day I committed," he noted. "Fitz was like 'oh man, I can't believe that you're actually coming up there.' He was saying welcome to the family and stuff like that. When I told Isaiah, he was screaming in my ear … they're happy for me."

Kinard's made the trip as part of the Michigan junior day, which included the Night of Champions event on Friday evening. The unique setting made a big impression with the young linebacker, who becomes the Wolverines' fifth commitment in his recruiting class.

"I enjoyed the experience. That was my first time visiting a Big Ten college and I enjoyed it. It was exciting," he said. "I got to sit down in Coach Rodriguez's office and have a one-on-one talk with him. I got to see the weight room, their practice field and talked with (Shari Acho) about the academics."

While Kinard hasn't made many unofficial visits to schools, he is happy with the decision that he has reached and does not plan to look back.

"It was just the school and the football program, and of course my friends too, because they're going," he explained of why he made his choice. "I'm happy with my choice. There's no second thought about my decision."

I know he likes grilled cheese sandwiches.

Anyone know what the story is with Seantrel Henderson? He's the #1 player in the country accroding to Rivals (huge OL from Minnesota) and it appears he'll be paying UM a visit, though they aren't listed among the teams he's considering.

I guess he visited this past weekend for an unofficial.

I don't expect the kid to pick Michigan.

He's a freakin monster though. 6'8''!

Some waterbug from TX committed to Michigan today.

I'd like to see some tackles, ends and LB's signed soon. Enough with the skill positions.

Some waterbug from TX committed to Michigan today.

I'd like to see some tackles, ends and LB's signed soon. Enough with the skill positions.

Tony Drake. Same mold we've been getting for slot - 5'8", 160lbs, 4.35 40.

Since he's from Texas he'll decommit eventually.

I think RR thinks he has ten years to get this thing going. He is obviously after a bigger prize here because this school routinely sends like 35 players to D1 football every year.

blue picked up another recruit yesterday, stephen hopkins, a rb out of texas. 6'2, 200+.

he was a power runner in hs, but i could definitly see us trying to convert him into something else, anything else. pump him full of HGH and turn him into a 6'10, 300 LB monster at tackle, or maybe starve him down 30 LBs and make him a hard hitting CB. i wonder if he can skate? he has perfect size for a left wing in berenson's system...

blue picked up another recruit yesterday, stephen hopkins, a rb out of texas. 6'2, 200+.

he was a power runner in hs, but i could definitly see us trying to convert him into something else, anything else. pump him full of HGH and turn him into a 6'10, 300 LB monster at tackle, or maybe starve him down 30 LBs and make him a hard hitting CB. i wonder if he can skate? he has perfect size for a left wing in berenson's system...

I think I see something else in Hopkins' future. Only BARWIS, though, can bring out the potential that Hopkins has for this:

http://www.ballz.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/britney-spears-rolling-stone.jpg

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If Barwis could turn an 18 year old kid into that even Bukdow would have to become a Wal-Mart Wolverine.

More specualtion that Marvin is on the verge of committing, again. Any insight?

It would be nice if he and Christian would just go ahead and make it official and start working on other kids.

I canceled my scout crap last month, so IDK about Marvin.

It seemed as though Marvin Robinson would be the type of guy who would draw out the recruiting process to signing day, though.

I love that Hopkins kid. Kid is a punishing runner in his film.

Michigan received a commitment today. It was the 6th WR of the 2010 class.

Drew Dileo, 5'10", 175 lbs, Slot WR.................

P.S. He is white.

What's the dileo?

What's the dileo?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/somerset/content/images/2007/11/10/cp10_1040_470x350.jpg

Jethro, you are a dork.

Michigan received a commitment today. It was the 6th WR of the 2010 class.

Drew Dileo, 5'10", 175 lbs, Slot WR.................

P.S. He is white.

There's only 5 WR's now, not 6.

I bet Rich Rod offered him thinking he wouldn't actually accept it.

This seems like a wasted schollie.

I hope all these WR's doesn't cause any of our better WR commits to waver. I want to keep Miller, Jerald Rob, and Jackson...the other two are free to look around if they want

I say this Dileo kid becomes a special teams standout and a return guy. But remember--this is the Rich Rodriguez Way, and if the kid doesn't pan out at receiver, he can always be moved into linebacker or safety LOLZ

Recruited to be special teams captain.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MuEOU8PhLEA/Run_cuDCvsI/AAAAAAAAAnE/3g8pUTPNvTE/s320/Ri+Helmet+Head+Aug+07.jpg

On the PSU Nike Camp… LOTS to enjoy
8:42 PM [Josh Helmholdt] I didn't make it out to the PSU NIKE on Saturday, but was in contact with all our guys on the ground
TONY LIPPETT
8:42 PM [Josh Helmholdt] The big surprise standout of the day was Detroit Crockett WR/ATH Tony Lippett (6'3' 185 same school as Brandon Graham and John Thompson)
8:43 PM [Josh Helmholdt] In fact, even with Brandon Ifill, Adrian Coxson, Andrew Carswell et al there, our guys told me Lippett was the top WR they saw all day
8:43 PM [Josh Helmholdt] Lippett has played QB since he started in HS, but they said you'd never know it. He looked like a natural running routes and catching passes
8:45 PM [MattPargoff] Lippett does not have an offer from UM
8:45 PM [dsgoesblue42] will Lippett camp in AA this summer?
8:46 PM [Josh Helmholdt] Lippett is real high on Michigan - has been there a couple times and plans to return
8:46 PM [MattPargoff] Lippett was at the one-day summer camp last year. I would not be surprised to see him make a return trip this fall
8:46 PM [H town Blue] MattPargoff will he ???

On the PSU Nike Camp… LOTS to enjoy
8:42 PM [Josh Helmholdt] I didn't make it out to the PSU NIKE on Saturday, but was in contact with all our guys on the ground
TONY LIPPETT
8:42 PM [Josh Helmholdt] The big surprise standout of the day was Detroit Crockett WR/ATH Tony Lippett (6'3' 185 same school as Brandon Graham and John Thompson)
8:43 PM [Josh Helmholdt] In fact, even with Brandon Ifill, Adrian Coxson, Andrew Carswell et al there, our guys told me Lippett was the top WR they saw all day
8:43 PM [Josh Helmholdt] Lippett has played QB since he started in HS, but they said you'd never know it. He looked like a natural running routes and catching passes
8:45 PM [MattPargoff] Lippett does not have an offer from UM
8:45 PM [dsgoesblue42] will Lippett camp in AA this summer?
8:46 PM [Josh Helmholdt] Lippett is real high on Michigan - has been there a couple times and plans to return
8:46 PM [MattPargoff] Lippett was at the one-day summer camp last year. I would not be surprised to see him make a return trip this fall
8:46 PM [H town Blue] MattPargoff will he ???


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Bukdow,

You're going to have to speak a little louder in regards to Lippett. It's a little hard to hear you with all the shouting and excitement over Fred Smith. By the way, who got picked first during the Green & White draft...........a walk-on not named Blair White or god-like Fred Smith? Just wondered.

Bukdow,

You're going to have to speak a little louder in regards to Lippett. It's a little hard to hear you with all the shouting and excitement over Fred Smith. By the way, who got picked first during the Green & White draft...........a walk-on not named Blair White or god-like Fred Smith? Just wondered.
Yeah, I agree regarding Fred Smith. That kid needs to get his ass in gear. As far as the first pick in the Green and White game, hell if I know.

However, Lippett does seem to be a very smooth athlete. And, as evidenced by the dialogue I posted, not only those in East Lansing think so.

Ricardo Miller, Jeremy Jackson, and the Ohio Kids, not to mention Stonum, Jeron Stokes, et all say: MSU can have Lippett.

Yet another kid who really wants to go to UM but settles for MSU because UM doesn't offer. Sorry, don't want 29 WR's in the 2010 recruiting class. Guess little brother gets a freebie every now and then.

http://www.chrissailerkicking.com/index.php?act=GetContent&cid=43&disType=PlayerProfile&playerID=1428

http://www.chrissailerkicking.com/index.php?act=GetContent&cid=43&disType=PlayerProfile&playerID=1428

A walk-on long snapper? Is there something else to this article Diddy?

i have no clue, i was hoping you guys would beable to tell me.

from what ive gathered, hes a TE / long snapper who played behind an all american (nd commit) last year.

hes 6'5, and i've seen his weight listed between 210 and 165 (lol).

did we use a scholarship on him?

Not sure what Rich's policy is on long snappers. I know Lloyd liked to have one on scholarship and would sign one every 3 or 4 years and would make the kid work his ass off to be a long snapper.

Michigan picked up commit #11 tonight. Jordan Paskorz, a 6'4, 225 lbs DE/LB/TE from Pennsylvania. #62 rated DE in the country. But hey! At least he's not 5'7, 125 lbs!

Interesting note about him is he has an older brother who is a LB/FB at Notre Dame. I don't think ND had offered yet, but there was interest. Good to break up a potential ND legacy whenever possible.

And no better place to do it than with the #62 rated defensive end in the country! WOWIE! I'm sure Notre Dame is shitting their pants over this one.

Yet another kid who really wants to go to UM but settles for MSU because UM doesn't offer. Sorry, don't want 29 WR's in the 2010 recruiting class. Guess little brother gets a freebie every now and then.

I bet he wishes he was under 5'9" and 150 pds so he could fit the mold. Then he'd be able to get McGuffied week in and week out running jailbreak screens.

I bet he wishes he was under 5'9" and 150 pds so he could fit the mold. Then he'd be able to get McGuffied week in and week out running jailbreak screens.

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Michigan's latest recruit is Christian Pace of Ohio. For those of you keeping score, UM, with gaping holes on the depth chart larger than the gaping hole between Jethro's ears, is being out-recruited by Texas A$M, Brigham Young, and Stanford (according to Scout)--and no, I do NOT believe that just because Rich Rod wants a kid, that kid is gonna be great.
There is a long way to go--and I am still suspicious, if not dubious, of Rodriguez's ability to recruit to MICHIGAN. He is still on a learning curve, and I don't like it.

what gaping hole? wasnt guard a need?

everything ive read about pace is that he's gonna be good, and probably a 4* in the end.

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Jethro, my name is not "Yvonne"

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We have no way of knowing that for sure.

For those of you who follow recruiting, Brannan Clay, a running back who was a team mate of Tits Forcier, committed to Oklahoma last night. Hard to say if he was really targeted by UM, but UM was in his final 3 and he is getting some serious pub, maybe as the best RB in california.

Oklahoma has over 1900 points with 11 recruits for 2010 (don't ask)--UM has 12 recruits and 1262 points. UM keeps missing out on these types of players, and settling for Tony Drake and Stephen Hopkins (don't ask). Don't forget Dyn-O-mite Drew Dileo. You know, as in WHO THE MOTHERFUCK IS DREW DILEO AND WHY DID UM EVEN OFFER HIM???

Here are the Scout recruiting rankings to date:
Rank School Commits Conference Points
1 Texas 19 Big 12 3471
2 Alabama 14 SEC 2259
3 Florida 12 SEC 2103
4 Oklahoma 11 Big 12 1937
5 Texas A&M 16 Big 12 1628
6 Penn State 7 Big Ten 1548
7 Stanford 15 Pac-10 1432
8 BYU 12 MWC 1275
9 Michigan 12 Big Ten 1262
10 Washington 9 Pac-10 1097


UM has about 10 more schollies to give out (more if more guys quit)--DickRod really needs to start recruiting some PLAYAS--unless of course you buy into the argument that the players he gets are great because he gets 'em. I guess that worked at West Virginia, in the Big East (especially after Miami, BC, and VaTech left)--but what's a gonna happen at Michigan?

I just don't think the guy knows how to recruit to Michigan. Three players from last years class might not qualify--and one of them is JT Turner. Somethings to think about for you Kool-Aid drinkers.

The good news is that William Gholston wore a Green and White tuxedo to his prom so he is a lock for the Spartans. That brings them to 3 recruits this year.

The good news is that William Gholston wore a Green and White tuxedo to his prom so he is a lock for the Spartans. That brings them to 3 recruits this year.

I'd rather have 3 recruits than 3 wins. Even John L. won 4.

I'd rather have 3 recruits than 3 wins. Even John L. won 4.

Ah, the old Sparty "One-Year is all the History we Know" mindframe.

Michigan gets commit #13: Ken Wilkins of Pennsylvania. Scout has him at a four star. Defensive end, will probably be this new "spinner" type of guy. About 6'3, 230. No offer from PSU or OSU apparently, but Scout likes him--and they rate him the #32 DE in the country.
I have been hoping that Rodriguez would get UM back into the Ohio and Pennsylvania recruiting scene--the football played there is SOOOOO much better than in Michigan. I'd still like to see UM lock up some Michigan talent, though.

from what i've read, OSU was looking at him but more towards gholston or some other top notch guy. so, wilkins isnt top tier, but a guy top tier programs would look at.

i've seen him listed at 6'3, 240s, and about a 4.6-4.7 40. i guess his frame looks like it could handle alot more weight, so he might be playing other parts of the line at some point in his career.

sounds like a pretty nice pick up, to me.

The Notorious Dr Tre 11 with yet another headline on "Spartan Tailgate"

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/duffy-daugherty-msu-football-recruiting-forum/294437-tofficial-2010-football-recruiting-thread-41.html#post5876728

I love guys who do this shit: ambiguous, clandestine, keep it on the down-low. What a fuck job. The same guy who brought us the Keith Nichol Bad Arm Report, and the same guy who "broke"--at least on spartan tailgate, the committment of Dion Sims to MSU--as if the whole world didn't know about Sims and MSU.

Long live Dr Tre 11! An announcement could come within 24 hours

I guess he really is BACK IN THE SHADOWS...lol

Tre is losing credibility with his fellow Sparties at the tailgate.

These guys are all over the intranets. Sparties that SO FUCKINGL BADLY want their greenies to be good, gain some national pub, beat Michigan, and become somewhat relevant beyond The Izzo they act as if they click their red shoes together three times and wish for it, it will happen.

I don't know who the commits Tre is referring to are supposed to be, but on the Tailgate they are refuting any of the possibilities of them being someone to care about.

Although I do think we get a Gholston commit soon, just to get the party started and then DingDong can go out and mop up all the Detroit PSL rejects he can, and go into Ohio and start recruiting the shlubs OSU and UM leave (and now DingDong has Cincinnati to worry about there as well).

I do think the Sparties will get a few good ones out of Detroit--but I'm not so sure they get Bolden (but do they really need him just yet?) or Austin White (axe them--Baker and Caper are the SHITE!).

Weird time to be a Sparty--they need to capitalize on the circus-like atmosphere in Ann Arbor before it settles down, but I just don't see them at this point really having the OOMPH to do it.

UM might have picked up another commit (#14) from a 3 star DE/LB from Texas named Holmes Onwukaife. Couldn't make up that name if I tried.

The Notorious Dr Tre 11 with yet another headline on "Spartan Tailgate"

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/duffy-daugherty-msu-football-recruiting-forum/294437-tofficial-2010-football-recruiting-thread-41.html#post5876728

I love guys who do this shit: ambiguous, clandestine, keep it on the down-low. What a fuck job. The same guy who brought us the Keith Nichol Bad Arm Report, and the same guy who "broke"--at least on spartan tailgate, the committment of Dion Sims to MSU--as if the whole world didn't know about Sims and MSU.

Long live Dr Tre 11! An announcement could come within 24 hours

Seeing as how it's been 2 days now let's play the guessing game. Everyone guess the mystery commit..........

I pick QB Rob Bolden from OLSM.

Bolden committed, then didn't or did or is a silent--it's mixed up. Anyway, Mylan Hicks of Detroit Renaissance committed to them tonight.

It also looks fuzzy for Onwukaife--did he or didn't he? It appears the UM board ran with a facebook quote--but the kid's film looks good. Texas may come in with a late offer to him, and they've had two decommits--they may have room for him.

And Cornelius Jones committed to UM tonight. The dual threat from Souf Carolina who had some legal problems that cost him a year. UM was the first to offer, and the other schools that offered are Stanford, Wake Forest and Duke. Geez, maybe this kid will be good for the team GPA if nothing else.

And the Sparties, as expected, get their man in Gholston. I'm expecting DrTre to tell the world that he took the fall to ward off publicity so the new commits could get things straight. I mean, Tre was told he COULDN'T TELL ANYONE ANYTHING MORE than MSU had two commits.
Of course, he said they were offense.

Hicks committed, too. Also, there is chatter that either Olyanian or Bolden are going to announce soos. Probably Olyanian considering all the Bolden BS yesterday. If Olyanian commits along with Gholston and Hicks, that will be a nice haul on the defensive side of the ball.

Congrats to MSU. It's always good to have the ball rolling and the positive momentum. Still a long way to go to complete a full class, but some nice cornerstones. I like a legit rivalry.

It appears it will be Bolden rather than Olianiyan (or however you spell the kid`s name).

Make up your mind, dammit.

Make up your mind, dammit.
I am just repeating what I hear from "the insiders." Evidently, there is another big recruit about ready to drop for MSU. Along with that, it is being said the Bolden family want to come up and make it official. Frankly, the kid seems a bit like a prima-donna to me. Kind of like the whole Dion Sims bullshit. I would be just as happy with the Graham kid as a QB recruit. Certainly would prefer a committment from Olaniyan over Bolden.

I hear ya: I think Olinyan is more of a need, seeing as how you're pretty set at QB for awhile.

Meanwhile, What do ya think of Michigan snagging Corny Jones? Huh? Hasn;t played in two years, motherfucker! BOOYAH!

I hear ya: I think Olinyan is more of a need, seeing as how you're pretty set at QB for awhile.

Meanwhile, What do ya think of Michigan snagging Corny Jones? Huh? Hasn;t played in two years, motherfucker! BOOYAH!
I am not familiar with Corny Jones. RR seems to be getting "his type of players". I think this season will still be a bit of a struggle (mainly due to a freshmen QB), but next season should be full-on RR-UM. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Zip, how pathetic can u get? So you go to Spartantailgate and on top of that, you search out my posts and bring them here. Hilarious. It's comical to me that with the exception of a few posts, I haven't been here in a year yet I'm still talked about, referred to, joked about. It's hilarious to me.

I shared a Caper commitment told to me by Caper himself in person over a week before it happened last year, you can search it on tailgate since you are a frequent observer. Then had a similar situation with Natt Klatt. So 90% of the guys over there back me and rip anyone that questions what I post now and if you go back to the threads, you'll see that happened again. I'm glad you posted this stuff because the spiral which is occuring and what is to come only makes you look stupid now.

I can't fathom going to Michigan sites, searching out other people's posts, and then writing about them. Wish I had the time, actually no I don't. Glad you do though cuz reading through your last few are very funny now.

I can't fathom being a sparty, so we're even.

And don't hate me because you aren't the Master of the Intranets that I am.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7P37NqWJVlM/SXamP2r_uwI/AAAAAAAABkg/J5ydcDjJ2Bg/s400/leisuresuit.jpg

Wish I had the time,

too busy hanging out with 17 year old boys?

Reading Eastbay.

I hear ya: I think Olinyan is more of a need, seeing as how you're pretty set at QB for awhile.

Meanwhile, What do ya think of Michigan snagging Corny Jones? Huh? Hasn;t played in two years, motherfucker! BOOYAH!
I expect the "loser" between Cousins and Nichol to transfer. More so Nichol. Cousins is on track to go to medical school and seems to be a "Green and White through and through, see it through" type of kid, whereas Nichol, well, we are familiar with his story.

So, I don't get it. State gets a commit from Gholston and there's hardly anything about it? I've heard some State fans refer to him as one of the top 3 HS commits State has had on defense in the past decade. And he gets 3-4 posts? Come on.

So, I don't get it. State gets a commit from Gholston and there's hardly anything about it? I've heard some State fans refer to him as one of the top 3 HS commits State has had on defense in the past decade. And he gets 3-4 posts? Come on.
Yeah, Gholston is a great prospect that some have compared to former Spartan great George Webster. He needs to learn to play DE rather than LB, but with MSU`s coaching and the kid`s desire and work ethic, he should dominate. Anytime you get the consensus top player from the state of Michigan, the kid is going to be pretty damn talented. Not a guarantee (intelligence, coachability, desire, etc.), but a very solid prospect. However, I read an article today by the 5-star pinhead Sam Webb and now, all of a sudden, Devin Gardner is the top player in the stae of Michigan. You better let everybody else know about that, Sammy.

I'll bet William never becomes as relevant as Vernon was.

But that's mostly becuase he's going to a 'B minus' program, nationally.

I was going to say that Sam Webb makes you guys look almost objective and reasonable, but then along comes massively complexed Wilfredo and all of a sudden it seems Webb, Ledezma, just Wal-Mart Wolverines in general, are what they are, wannabe douchebags.

It will be interesting to see what happens. I've watched multiple guys that are tweeners at LB and DE, and they usually seem a bit disappointing the first couple years, but then have a year or two that they're monsters. Or maybe that was just the coaches holding them back with indecision. Specific examples are Woodley and Crable.

Gholston is a sure thing like Woodley was. Just a can't miss, barring injury. Expect Calero and Olaniyan to commit to MSU very soon as Dantonio stockpiles DE talent to go along with the slew of linebackers.

Wil, thanks for the commentary. You always provide insightful material.

Oblivious to your own inferiority.

Nice call, Tre. But Calero committed before your "MSU Insight" alerted us. Yeah, he's a talent all right.

Now that you've called for Olinayan, he's a sure bet to head out to LSU.

A fan claimed that he committed this morning, the commitment wasn't on a single site when I posted it here so get bent. I wasn't claiming it was some earth shattering news. On Olaniyan, I'm not Jickboy...not banking on anything. That's just what I anticipate happening. K, back into hibernation...this site is so annoying. 0 discussion.

A fan claimed that he committed this morning, the commitment wasn't on a single site when I posted it here so get bent. I wasn't claiming it was some earth shattering news. On Olaniyan, I'm not Jickboy...not banking on anything. That's just what I anticipate happening. K, back into hibernation...this site is so annoying. 0 discussion.

Will we know the difference?

It's hard to have discussion when the two Sparty representatives on this board are bukdow and DrTre.

A fan claimed that he committed this morning, the commitment wasn't on a single site when I posted it here so get bent. I wasn't claiming it was some earth shattering news. On Olaniyan, I'm not Jickboy...not banking on anything. That's just what I anticipate happening. K, back into hibernation...this site is so annoying. 0 discussion.

YEAH, GO BACK INTO THE SHADOWS

It's hard to have discussion when the two Sparty representatives on this board are bukdow and DrTre.

And why do you think that is? You've got Zip dominating with his crackhead posts and Wil predicting 0 wins for MSU every flippin year. It's like communicating with elementary school kids. Honestly, back when there was a good crew here it was pretty fun and now that we are more grown up, it probably could've turned into some solid sports discussion. All others left wisely. I visit in early April and not one Final Four topic when it is in freaking Detroit. Michigan Football thread at the top flamin'

And why do you think that is? You've got Zip dominating with his crackhead posts and Wil predicting 0 wins for MSU every flippin year. It's like communicating with elementary school kids. Honestly, back when there was a good crew here it was pretty fun and now that we are more grown up, it probably could've turned into some solid sports discussion. All others left wisely. I visit in early April and not one Final Four topic when it is in freaking Detroit. Michigan Football thread at the top flamin'


There is plenty of great discussion here, ballsack.

Quit being such a mopey, self aggrandizing ass clown.

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/28397/clown.jpg

and Wil predicting 0 wins for MSU every flippin year.


Link?

Exaggeration dilutes your thesis.

Everything about this is funny

Link?

Exaggeration dilutes your thesis.


nice wil

waiting for that link...

And why do you think that is? You've got Zip dominating with his crackhead posts and Wil predicting 0 wins for MSU every flippin year. It's like communicating with elementary school kids. Honestly, back when there was a good crew here it was pretty fun and now that we are more grown up, it probably could've turned into some solid sports discussion. All others left wisely. I visit in early April and not one Final Four topic when it is in freaking Detroit. Michigan Football thread at the top flamin'

And Tre trying to get some discussion going, of course.

He's a martyr.

He led the revolution/exodus!!!

Yet he never really went away, why, oh why does he waste his valuable time?

And why do you think that is? You've got Zip dominating with his crackhead posts and Wil predicting 0 wins for MSU every flippin year. It's like communicating with elementary school kids. Honestly, back when there was a good crew here it was pretty fun and now that we are more grown up, it probably could've turned into some solid sports discussion. All others left wisely. I visit in early April and not one Final Four topic when it is in freaking Detroit. Michigan Football thread at the top flamin'

The ones that prefer Adidas, right?

Ballin'!

Keep in mind he makes a living communicating with elementary kids.

Keep in mind he makes a living communicating with elementary kids.

Like Mark Chumura?

Boisture back, Bolden out. Evidently, Bolden, Sr. wanted a job, Dantonio said, "No". PSU said, "Hey, come out to Happy Valley for 5 days and talk to our HR dept." Boisture said, "Hey, Dantonio, you freakin` WOP, I`m talented and I am a legacy recruit. Let me pull your ass out of the fire". Dantonio said, "Thanks".

UM lost out on a guy they've been wanting for a while. Lo Wood committed to Notre Dame.

UM lost out on a guy they've been wanting for a while. Lo Wood committed to Notre Dame.

The committment of Avery sealed the door on that one--but Wood has been a Ntre Dame guy for months now according to Scout. UM is still leading for Christian of Pennsylvania and it looks good for this kid named Grimes.

Also, I'm sure Rodriguez will find some kid under a rock in Alamagordos, New Mexico or something. Another "NR" kid who is 5'10, 165, and runs a 4.89 forty.

An interesting development out of Norman, OK has Roy Finch (RB) committing to the Sooners. There is a guy on one of the premium sites who is saying that this could possibly re-open the recruitment of Brennan Clay, a big time RB who is a former teammate of Tits Forcier. One to keep an eye on. Clay was said to be looking hard at UM before unexpectedly committing to Oklahoma. Hmmmmm

i read somewhere that the clay commit was a "commit or the offer is void" deal, and his commitment was viewed as extremely soft.

i also read that another rb commit was likely and that michigan was very much in play for clay.

which is all very ironic, since i dont really know who clay is or follow recruiting beyond who recently committed to us. i get bored sometimes.

Nick Hill from Chelsea committed to MSU today. Hopefully the MSU version of Mike Hart won`t be a complex ridden douchebag.

Nick Hill from Chelsea committed to MSU today. Hopefully the MSU version of Mike Hart won`t be a complex ridden douchebag.

I was just coming to ask if anyone thought it was ironic that Mike D'Antoni openly ripped Mike Hart and then went out and got a Mike Hart clone? The kid should definitely be fun to watch though for the next 4 years. Impressive class being put together so far.

bukdow, let me clue you in on a few things here.
First--Michigan doesn't want Michigan players anymore.
Second--anybody that MSU gets, Michigan didn't want them anway.
Third--UM is now NOT into recruit rankings, star power, or anything relevant to recruiting "back in the day."

UM now has a Super Duper Secret Spread Offense that no one else can run, and ONLY suits players who end up at Michigan. And nobody knows who those players are--except Rodriguez and Michigan fans who agree that if a player signs on with Michigan, he must be great.
Lastly, Michigan's spread offense also requires a certain kind of defensive recruit that only Rodriguez knows who and how to get.

Don't forget this stuff, and one day you'll understand all that is going on in Ann Arbor.

When RR was hired, I was very nervous because I thought he ran a Florida style spread offense and I thought the system was the only thing holding UM back. Shortly after the hire, I learned how different his version of the spread is. (Mostly run, screens, virtually 0 down field passing, etc.) I didn't know his receivers would never run a route more than 10 yards and I didn't know he wouldn't have that power game. After a few weeks into the hire, I started to believe Michigan made a major mistake. If you want to win with the spread, you better be able to man up and run some power in the redzone and when you are ahead to kill the clock. In order to do that, you need a healthy balance of extreme speed and the big boys to do the dirty work come power time. RR is not bringing the big boys and he hasn't in the past. Therefore he will not be regularly competing for championships. He'll get to that 8 win type of mark with the 4 star talent he brings in, but it won't get him through a BT season without losses. This won't be good enough for Michigan and their fans and he won't see year 4 IMO. Michigan fans better hope that during this period Dantonio and MSU don't form too strong of ties with the coaches in Michigan. Otherwise, it'll be a battle to regain some strength in state for the next coach in maize.

bukdow, let me clue you in on a few things here.
First--Michigan doesn't want Michigan players anymore.
Second--anybody that MSU gets, Michigan didn't want them anway.
Third--UM is now NOT into recruit rankings, star power, or anything relevant to recruiting "back in the day."

UM now has a Super Duper Secret Spread Offense that no one else can run, and ONLY suits players who end up at Michigan. And nobody knows who those players are--except Rodriguez and Michigan fans who agree that if a player signs on with Michigan, he must be great.
Lastly, Michigan's spread offense also requires a certain kind of defensive recruit that only Rodriguez knows who and how to get.

Don't forget this stuff, and one day you'll understand all that is going on in Ann Arbor.
Ya know, I realize that, for the most part, the average UM fan supports RR and really thinks there is a new rennaisance taking root. But everytime I hear that guy speak, or read his comments, he just comes across as a dumbass who is convinced he is brilliant. From his recruiting style (e.g. taking a RB from TX who is the exact same type of RB as Hill, but ranked 4 spots lower according to Rivals) to his whole " Super Duper Secret Spread Offense", I find the guy to be a dink. I, for one, am very glad he is not representing MSU.

If indeed the football fortunes of the two schools switch and start moving in opposite directions, the hiring of Dantonio and RR will certainly be pointed to as the beginning of the respective change in fortunes.

When RR was hired, I was very nervous because I thought he ran a Florida style spread offense and I thought the system was the only thing holding UM back. Shortly after the hire, I learned how different his version of the spread is. (Mostly run, screens, virtually 0 down field passing, etc.) I didn't know his receivers would never run a route more than 10 yards and I didn't know he wouldn't have that power game. After a few weeks into the hire, I started to believe Michigan made a major mistake. If you want to win with the spread, you better be able to man up and run some power in the redzone and when you are ahead to kill the clock. In order to do that, you need a healthy balance of extreme speed and the big boys to do the dirty work come power time. RR is not bringing the big boys and he hasn't in the past. Therefore he will not be regularly competing for championships. He'll get to that 8 win type of mark with the 4 star talent he brings in, but it won't get him through a BT season without losses. This won't be good enough for Michigan and their fans and he won't see year 4 IMO. Michigan fans better hope that during this period Dantonio and MSU don't form too strong of ties with the coaches in Michigan. Otherwise, it'll be a battle to regain some strength in state for the next coach in maize.

Wow, a semi-decent post from Tre, with only a little concern trolling at the end.

Impressive.

Let me just say this...

Since when has the state of Michigan been a 'powerhouse' in producing quality NCAA Div 1 Talent?

Sure, every now and then you get your 5 star blue chippers like Joe Barksdale or Ronald Johnson, but for the most part, this state has never been a recruiting hot bed.

Glenn, its not trolling to say something about MSU. I'm not saying anything that the media isn't saying right now. Check the recent interview with RR in the free press and read the last few questions.

Wil, Michigan has never been a hot bed, you are right. But you need 8-10 kids from the state to build your foundation to each class each year. Michigan has done this for YEARS under Bo and Lloyd. There will be times when your program isn't doing so hot and you need to have the local kids when the national kids aren't flocking in. It's amazing to me that some Michigan fans deny the importance of this because their program was built on this approach for years. Izzo did it as well when he started and continues to do so. (whoops trolling, scratch the last comment it was green)

Tre: Great post, and bukdow too.
I agree on Nick Hill. Tony Drake? Give me a fucking break.

The comment on RR's passing game reminds me of a post that ran on Mgoblog a while back. There was some guy who has a bunch of time on his hands (not to mention Jergens) and he analyzed Rodriguez's passing attack and pretty much called it a very simple-dimple style. He used words like "no triangulation" "no specific pattern or route running" and "confusing blocking schemes" Pretty much said Rodriguez uses NO downfiled passing attack, the tight end is non-existent, and receivers spend so much time blocking they don't know how to separate from DB's when they are not blocking. Etc etc.
I blew it off, attributing it to Pat White--not a passer. Utilizing his best options. Steve Slaton. Yada yada.

The spring game showed pretty much the same stuff--8-10 yard passes except for one long pass to Roundtree. Bubble screen. Roll out in the direction of the throw, hit short pass, hope guy breaks tackle. Nothing to any tight end.

UM is supposed to be putting some passing thingy they got from Oklahoma--and maybe with time it will happend. I'm doubtful and wouldn't be surprised to see Denard Robinson in there taking snaps and having UM look much like good ol' west by gourd virginny.

Glenn, its not trolling to say something about MSU. I'm not saying anything that the media isn't saying right now. Check the recent interview with RR in the free press and read the last few questions.

Wil, Michigan has never been a hot bed, you are right. But you need 8-10 kids from the state to build your foundation to each class each year. Michigan has done this for YEARS under Bo and Lloyd. There will be times when your program isn't doing so hot and you need to have the local kids when the national kids aren't flocking in. It's amazing to me that some Michigan fans deny the importance of this because their program was built on this approach for years. Izzo did it as well when he started and continues to do so. (whoops trolling, scratch the last comment it was green)

Tre you have to remember something when communicating with the Ledezmas of the world: It's all new at Michigan. Michigan players suck all the sudden, 40 times don't matter, star ratings are the antichrist, a guy may not have ever played football. If they sign with UM, though: THAT FUCKER WAS THE GUY RODRIGUEZ WANTED GODDAMMIT.

Tre you have to remember something when communicating with the Ledezmas of the world: It's all new at Michigan. Michigan players suck all the sudden, 40 times don't matter, star ratings are the antichrist, a guy may not have ever played football. If they sign with UM, though: THAT FUCKER WAS THE GUY RODRIGUEZ WANTED GODDAMMIT.

He's bringing in talent, but only one type and that is the problem. It doesn't matter if you can hurdle a defender if there is nobody blocking the next guy getting ready to take your head off.

Well, with Maxwell and Boisture, can't it be said that DingDong is bringing in "one type of talent"? I mean, I'm not the biggest DickRod fan, but a coach should bring in the people to run his system, don't ya think?

You know what, you're absolutely right, because every single person RR has recruited is known for hurdling defenders.

What a stupid comment. One guy with a mix tape that had YOU geeked on a kid and who isn't even at the school anymore. You're confusing hurdlers with speed backs and slot guys. RR doesn't go around asking kids if they can hurdle guys or coaching his players to hurdle guys. The spread DOES involve blocking, only the team sucked at ALL PHASES OF IT last year.

Look, if the whole team was a bunch of 5'3", 120 lb ballerinas I'd be ticked, but my hope is that guys like Ricardo Miller and Stephen Hopkins, along with Cameron Gordon are put in a position to be a valuable mix to the offense as well.

What's the latest on Austin White...?

(I don't have GBW anymore)

His name is still Austin White.

talk about giving me a fucking break, if UM recruited nick hill zip, buck, tre would be ripping RR to shreds about how he's recruiting midgets and cant do anything right. but MSU takes him, and he's the next mike hart (ill take the under on that one), and suprise suprise, RR cant do anything right.

Don't throw your sily Conjecture Dart at me, diddly. The last time you posted something relevant was, well, never.

talk about giving me a fucking break, if UM recruited nick hill zip, buck, tre would be ripping RR to shreds about how he's recruiting midgets and cant do anything right. but MSU takes him, and he's the next mike hart (ill take the under on that one), and suprise suprise, RR cant do anything right.
No, once again you miss the point. If RR is going to recruit players like Hill, why not offer Hill (a kid in your backyard) instead of the exact same type of player from Texas ranked four spots below Hill according to Rivals. Thats just fucking stupid and cutting your own throat in the state. Thats my point at least.

maybe RR could care less about rivals, and likes his boy better.

maybe RR is trying to extablish a recruiting base in texas, vs a town that is a pitching wedge away from the big house.

its pretty funny to me that RR has supposedly offered everyone and their brother a scholarship to michigan, but not the great nick hill. rather than discussing whats wrong with RR for not offering nick hill, maybe we should discuss whats wrong with nick hill not to get an offer from RR?

Jethro, you are missing the point entirely. My point is, you need more than just the scatty type players. Love how ruffled your feathers get over McGuffie. I loved the kid on video, also love the fact that he got knocked the fuck out the first time a Spartan hit him. Who cares? Don't know why that surprises you and keeps you from getting the point. You missed the entire point the second I mentioned hurdling. The point is, they need to bring in a better combination of speed along with size/power guys. Much like Florida does. They'll have the Percy Harvins, but then they'll also have the bad asses to lay the lumber when need be.

Buk hit the nail on the head, RR had a kid in Hill that is ranked higher and the same type of player in his own backyard. So he doesn't like the kid, that's fine. But he needs more in state kids and he needs more diversity. BTW Diddy, never got all that hyped on Hill because of size. I do think its funny that he's a Hart clone, is boys with him, and models his game after him and then chooses State though. You can go with your blind Michigan love if you'd like, but failure to understand in-state importance is a mistake. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see smaller RR teams winning BT titles going up against the physical grind of Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Iowa. You need muscle.

talk about giving me a fucking break, if UM recruited nick hill zip, buck, tre would be ripping RR to shreds about how he's recruiting midgets and cant do anything right. but MSU takes him, and he's the next mike hart (ill take the under on that one), and suprise suprise, RR cant do anything right.

You might look at this year and last year's recruiting classes and count the number of kids under 5'10". I think that is the point, not one or two...but like 15.

So then what's the perfect ratio of speed-to-power?

It's possible that when RR got here the only thing here was power, with no speed at all. It would make sense that the ratio in recruiting would be way off.

I admit that at this point I get a bit more excited when I see recruits commit who are actually linemen, linebackers, or skill players over 200 lbs. I agree that you need to keep some balance. I hope class of 2011 and beyond has much more balance, but the cupboard was bare on speed. Plenty of talent, very little speed.

I jump all over the McGuffie thing because it's just Spartan hypocrisy all over again. If Spartans continue to jump on Wolverines for arrogance, Wolverines will counter with claims of hypocrisy. Get used to it.

I get trying to get speed, but you better not go 2 classes of speed, 2 of power or it'll never match up. What happens when the juniors and seniors graduate?

Hypocrisy? Not at all. Absolutely loved his video. Shows that I can be unbiased and give props to a kid that commits to another school (cough, cough) Because I liked his video, I'm not supposed to get excited when my Spartans knock him out? Was I supposed to be cheering for McGuffie when I was watching the UM v. MSU game cuz I loved his video? That is ridiculous.

Side note, was luke warm excited about Hill. Watched his free video on Scout, everyone should. Maybe I downplayed the commitment too much. I guess it's just hard getting excited about another back with the appearance of Rock.

Somebody made this point and I thought it was interesting. Name one powerhouse football program that doesn't win the overall recruiting battle in their state.

Florida offers an interesting situation having three powerhouses, but if you look at the times when each program was having success...I guarantee the top program at that time was the one dominating their state in recruiting. I bet if you check the last five years, Florida is winning the battles. Before that I bet it was Miami, and before that I bet it was FSU.

notre dame?

notre dame?

You don't think they get the majority of the best players from the state of Indiana? Because Indiana is soooo bad talent wise, you might have to just look at the Top 5 in that state and I bet they get 3-4 of them every year.

i think the statement: powerhouse football programs win the recruiting war in their own state

is as true as: powerhouse football programs exist in powerhouse recruiting states.

i have no idea about nd. just a stab in the dark.

i think the statement: powerhouse football programs win the recruiting war in their own state

is as true as: powerhouse football programs exist in powerhouse recruiting states.

i have no idea about nd. just a stab in the dark.

Well, then you are either wrong about Michigan being an important recruiting state or you don't think Michigan is a powerhouse program.

Baker:

You know better than to try and make ANY sensical argument on the instranets! Goddammit, the anomaly is ALWAYS the rule for Message Board Guy.

Notre Dame is not thought of as an "Indiana" school, and no, they probably DON'T recruit anybody from that state unless its a catholic school faggot whose mommy wants him to run for Pope someday.

Actually I don't think ND is even a power. Not since Lou left.

Looks like MSU may have a chance at signing a Cass tech kid. I think the last CT kid MSU signed was Roderick Maples or some dumbass whose mother couldn`t decide on a decent "representing" name with a splash of "sofistikations". Anyway, it looks likes Mathis might go Green. I am a little 50/50 on the kid. He seems to be pretty talented, but I certainly do not want a Will Campbell once removed dumbass on the team.

but I certainly do not want a Will Campbell once removed dumbass on the team.

Like you have a choice between the two.

Looks like MSU may have a chance at signing a Cass tech kid. I think the last CT kid MSU signed was Roderick Maples or some dumbass whose mother couldn`t decide on a decent "representing" name with a splash of "sofistikations". Anyway, it looks likes Mathis might go Green. I am a little 50/50 on the kid. He seems to be pretty talented, but I certainly do not want a Will Campbell once removed dumbass on the team.

You shouldn't be 50-50, Dior is a STUD. And I'll stick with that even if he flips and choses UM. I'd like him to be 5'10", but he's still a big time corner. It's looking reeeeally good for MSU here. He "loved" his visit and the coaches. RR better not lose his grip on Cass Tech, that's his last firm pipeline in Michigan.

Looks like UM is going to get a committment from Austin White tomorrow. Another "slot-receiver". If I were the coach at UM, I would be much more interested in OL recruits. But again, I am not married to an ex-"dancer" named Rita either.

But again, I am not married to an ex-"dancer" named Rita either.

Like you ever had a choice to be.

It will be interesting the follow the college careers of Nick Hill and Austin White. Both high school running backs from Michigan, but the kid who had every reason (but no offer) to go to UM ends up at MSU, while the kid with every reason to go to MSU ends up at UM. Very interesting.

Also interesting how UM gets ripped for accepting the White commitment even though he's 5 inches taller than Hill, whose commitment to State was pushed in UM fans' faces.

I understand they have different styles and strengths and they'll be used differently so the comparisons will be difficult or unfair, but they'll be compared in my book the way Penny Hardaway and Chris Webber were. Different players on different teams but traded for one another on draft night.

That's how it feels to me, like Hill and White were seemingly traded for one another.

It will be interesting the follow the college careers of Nick Hill and Austin White. Both high school running backs from Michigan, but the kid who had every reason (but no offer) to go to UM ends up at MSU, while the kid with every reason to go to MSU ends up at UM. Very interesting.

Also interesting how UM gets ripped for accepting the White commitment even though he's 5 inches taller than Hill, whose commitment to State was pushed in UM fans' faces.

I understand they have different styles and strengths and they'll be used differently so the comparisons will be difficult or unfair, but they'll be compared in my book the way Penny Hardaway and Chris Webber were. Different players on different teams but traded for one another on draft night.

That's how it feels to me, like Hill and White were seemingly traded for one another.

Both went to the school where their style was more fitting. White is not a speed demon or thick, but he's versatile. White is probably going to be an all purpose player, playing a little slot, playing a little return man, playing a little rb, etc. Although I really like Hill's video, he is coming in behind the real Baker and Caper so I don't know that he's going to have a big time career at least being a main ball carrier. I kinda think White and Dior are a trade as well. Both being "locks" months ago and now probably headed to the opposite school.

Both went to the school where their style was more fitting. White is not a speed demon or thick, but he's versatile. White is probably going to be an all purpose player, playing a little slot, playing a little return man, playing a little rb, etc. Although I really like Hill's video, he is coming in behind the real Baker and Caper so I don't know that he's going to have a big time career at least being a main ball carrier. I kinda think White and Dior are a trade as well. Both being "locks" months ago and now probably headed to the opposite school.
It looks like all of that Nike love might be too much for Mathis to turndown. Its looking like Oregon for Christian Dior Mathis.

As far as White and Hill, yeah, they are different players. But, the difference that sticks out most to me is that it is fairly documented that White is a bit of a punk, whereas Hill is by all accounts a very high-character kid. Looks like Hill will be used primarily in the return game.

But but MSU is a Nike school too!

It looks like all of that Nike love might be too much for Mathis to turndown. Its looking like Oregon for Christian Dior Mathis.

As far as White and Hill, yeah, they are different players. But, the difference that sticks out most to me is that it is fairly documented that White is a bit of a punk, whereas Hill is by all accounts a very high-character kid. Looks like Hill will be used primarily in the return game.

It might come off as sour grapes, but Buk is right. I wasn't going to bring it up but he has been kicked out of school twice. With that said, he can't be that bad because Dantonio doesn't recruit punks. It is absolutely 100% against his style so White can't have that many issues.

Check this video out and watch to the very end (end talks about RR). I'm sure the initial reaction will be defensive. But cut the MSU/UM bullshit aside, are any of you Michigan fans even slightly nervous about RR's approach? I saw it on a much more fucked up level with John L., but people are saying the same about RR. I've heard many coaches and now people in the media talk about the things in this video.

http://spartannation.com/Hondo's_House/flash/COACHWATTS062109.html

I'm indifferent to RR's approach since it's all new to me (the micro-evaluation of "skill").

However, comparing RR to John L. Smith is laughable. John L. Smith, with the bits of success at Louisville had was no where near the extent of success RR had at WVU. So really, there is no comparsion if you ask me (no matter how much clowns like Valenti want you to think there is). Nobody cared about JLS because he was at a school that isn't nationally recognized for having success in the football program anyway. Whereas RR is the direct opposite.

I'm willing to take the 'wait and see' approach, but it's not like I have a choice. I'm always willing to give somebody the benefit of the doubt (unlike Zip), especially so early in their tenure.

I'm indifferent to RR's approach since it's all new to me (the micro-evaluation of "skill").

However, comparing RR to John L. Smith is laughable. John L. Smith, with the bits of success at Louisville had was no where near the extent of success RR had at WVU. So really, there is no comparsion if you ask me (no matter how much clowns like Valenti want you to think there is). Nobody cared about JLS because he was at a school that isn't nationally recognized for having success in the football program anyway. Whereas RR is the direct opposite.

I'm willing to take the 'wait and see' approach, but it's not like I have a choice. I'm always willing to give somebody the benefit of the doubt (unlike Zip), especially so early in their tenure.

I said a fucked up version of JLS for a reason, dude was a joke. The comparison comes in the way they disregard ties with instate schools, etc. Regardless, this has to be the most intriguing time for state of Michigan college football there has ever been with two new coaches with exact opposite styles in every way.

It might come off as sour grapes, but Buk is right. I wasn't going to bring it up but he has been kicked out of school twice. With that said, he can't be that bad because Dantonio doesn't recruit punks. It is absolutely 100% against his style so White can't have that many issues.

He has twin older brothers that aren't exactly great examples. Both went to State, one on scholarship and one as a walk-on, correct? Recruited by Dantonio. The walk-on was the guy who beat the crap out of the MSU hockey player.

Glen Winston, who woulda been MSU's starting running back (and a helluva player) was the one who really put a whoopin down in the fight. I don't really think a fight is trouble IMO unless it involves guns. In the Bobby era players were too smoked out to fight and during the JLS era they would've been too small and got pounded by the hockey players. So I'm not too upset about it, but man I wish Winston woulda held back because based on his returns last year, he was going to be a stud.

He has twin older brothers that aren't exactly great examples. Both went to State, one on scholarship and one as a walk-on, correct? Recruited by Dantonio. The walk-on was the guy who beat the crap out of the MSU hockey player.
Agreed. All three of the kids sound like smartass punks. Frankly, I would be fine with none of them in East Lansing. However, from what I have gathered, Austin is the worst of a bad lot.

That's too bad. Maybe he can room with Will Campbell and they can see who is the bigger degenerate, right buk?

It might come off as sour grapes, but Buk is right. I wasn't going to bring it up but he has been kicked out of school twice. With that said, he can't be that bad because Dantonio doesn't recruit punks. It is absolutely 100% against his style so White can't have that many issues.


What a dickhead.

Glen Winston, who woulda been MSU's starting running back (and a helluva player) was the one who really put a whoopin down in the fight. I don't really think a fight is trouble IMO unless it involves guns. In the Bobby era players were too smoked out to fight and during the JLS era they would've been too small and got pounded by the hockey players. So I'm not too upset about it, but man I wish Winston woulda held back because based on his returns last year, he was going to be a stud.


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That's too bad. Maybe he can room with Will Campbell and they can see who is the bigger degenerate, right buk?
As the coach of Campbell and White I would not want them rollin` in a Benz-o with money in their pockets, no.

Considering the type of kids RR seems to be bringing in, coupled with the environment RR is fostering, I suspect there is going to be continued off-field transgressions. For example, Cissoko. And its not a matter of rural white kids not getting along with urban black kids as that fucking douchebag Sam Webb tried to insinuate. Its a matter of questionable yet talented kids being brought in by RR.

so basically, every recruit michigan is bringing in is either:

a) dangerously uncivilized
b) undersized
c) untalented

or usually, all three.

nice job bukky. now if only the real world existed like it does inside your mind, right?

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I could respond with the picture of you from the other site, but that is just too easy. I wasn't going to mention the pic, but keep going and we will see.

The truth is probably somewhere in between what Buk is saying and what Michigan fans are saying.

Many coaches and players have stated the fact that under Carr there was a family atmosphere. Under RR, it is more business and a little more thug. Michigan hasn't had that many problems in terms of trouble though, so I don't think its all crazy, maybe just a little different.

Do State fans get a kick out of the large number of midget slots coming in, sure. But there are some very talented players coming in as well.

So it is probably somewhere in between.

so basically, every recruit michigan is bringing in is either:

a) dangerously uncivilized
b) undersized
c) untalented

or usually, all three.

nice job bukky. now if only the real world existed like it does inside your mind, right?
" Its a matter of questionable yet talented kids being brought in by RR."

-bukdow

so you dont routinely question the talent of michigan committs?

As the coach of Campbell and White I would not want them rollin` in a Benz-o with money in their pockets, no.

Considering the type of kids RR seems to be bringing in, coupled with the environment RR is fostering, I suspect there is going to be continued off-field transgressions. For example, Cissoko. And its not a matter of rural white kids not getting along with urban black kids as that fucking douchebag Sam Webb tried to insinuate. Its a matter of questionable yet talented kids being brought in by RR.

Which kids is he bringing in Buk? Are we talking about the 7 kids who were smart enough and good enough students to graduate high school early last year? Are we talking about kids like Anthony LaLota who came from the same school as Myron Rolle? Every single recruit in the 2009 class is graduated and is enrolled in Michigan currently.

Does it make you feel better to know that last year's Michigan team set the all-time record for highest G.P.A. by the football team? Over 100 years of kids coming to Michigan and only one coach forced them to more study halls than ever and pushed academics as much as ever. But I guess 4 or 5 black kids from Florida can really get everyone's panties in a bunch.

I could respond with the picture of you from the other site, but that is just too easy. I wasn't going to mention the pic, but keep going and we will see.

I linked it, douche. But just so everyone remembers, here are a couple more:

Young and Studly, Hunting for the Babes:

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Older and Wiser, the Babes Come to ME now

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Which kids is he bringing in Buk? Are we talking about the 7 kids who were smart enough and good enough students to graduate high school early last year? Are we talking about kids like Anthony LaLota who came from the same school as Myron Rolle? Every single recruit in the 2009 class is graduated and is enrolled in Michigan currently.

Does it make you feel better to know that last year's Michigan team set the all-time record for highest G.P.A. by the football team? Over 100 years of kids coming to Michigan and only one coach forced them to more study halls than ever and pushed academics as much as ever. But I guess 4 or 5 black kids from Florida can really get everyone's panties in a bunch.

I actually somewhat defended by saying there haven't been too many issues thus far. But I've gotta play devil's adv. once the academics of Michigan football players comes into the convo.

Do we really want to cite Michigan football player's GPAs? I mean, we all read the wonderful stories a year ago about the independent studies and general studies these guys are pushed into. The whole thing was disgusting and ridiculous, so I don't think academics should be thrown out there.

what are the easy general studies classes offered at michigan. please let me know. or better yet, hop in a time machine 8 years ago, and tell me then.

seriously, lets here them.

I actually somewhat defended by saying there haven't been too many issues thus far. But I've gotta play devil's adv. once the academics of Michigan football players comes into the convo.

Do we really want to cite Michigan football player's GPAs? I mean, we all read the wonderful stories a year ago about the independent studies and general studies these guys are pushed into. The whole thing was disgusting and ridiculous, so I don't think academics should be thrown out there.


And let ME play devil's advocate and remind you that MSU's football grad rates are among the worst in the Big Ten.

Hypocrite.

It never ends...

And let ME play devil's advocate and remind you that MSU's football grad rates are among the worst in the Big Ten.

Hypocrite.

I honestly could give a shit about academics. I'm not attending and I don't care. But once U of M fans start thumping their chest about academics, then I'm going to post:

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/academics/

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/academics/stories/index.ssf/2008/03/athletes_steered_to_prof.html

For those that want to turn a blind eye, thats a four part story about this joke of a "student athlete" situation.

ok baker, answer my question: what are the easy general studies classes?

do you even know what is involved in a general studies degree? why people choose that major? would it be better if these guy's majors were 'pre law'?

or are you just some ignorant person that likes to parrot talking points? your coming off very poorly here, even by your own standards.

waiting for an answer to those questions.

Poor Baker. Still jerking off to Jim Carty. Wow.

Anyway, remember the linebacker from Texas who wanted to commit to Michigan, but the staff said "No. We have Jordan Paskorz and Antonio Kinnard. We don't need you. Our defense is gonna be great."? Holmes Onwukaife? Well, down at some 7 on 7 camp put on by some shlubs from some company called "Nike" or some shit, Onwukaife to' it up, main. Gave the #1 LB recruit in the country a run for his money as top LB at the camp.

Of course, when it's Make Way for More Paskorz, you have to think the "staff" knows what it is doing. HAHAHAHALOLZ

I say Paskorz never plays a down at UM, while OnWukaife tears it up at the collegiate level.

Don't ya'll love how Baker sems to sit back like he's got The Goodz? Like he's gonna BLOW THE LID OFF THIS MOTEHRFUCKER UP IN DIS MUG.

A trued badass.

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ps. the same people who wrote the articles showing how athletes dispraportionately major in general studies are the same people sparty fans whine about as being 'arrogant', and are the same people that call msu a cow college.

but a points a point, right?

Diddy, what the fuck are you even talking about? You want me to give you the official names of general studies classes? For what?

They did a 4 part story on U of M "academics" and one of your former QBs said the same thing. If you actually read it, there is a helluva lot of proof. What are you basing your opinion on? Is your argument that they made all this up for no reason? pathetic I'll say it again, I could care less but if you are going to act ignorant about it, then that isn't going to fly.

heres my point: what the fuck is an general studies class? you are talking COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR ASS.

shut the fuck up, never talk about a michigan curriculem again, and you will be doing yourself and everyone else a huge favor.

Tre...I mean Baker be spittin some venom...lol.

Diddy, what the fuck are you even talking about? You want me to give you the official names of general studies classes? For what?

They did a 4 part story on U of M "academics" and one of your former QBs said the same thing. If you actually read it, there is a helluva lot of proof. What are you basing your opinion on? Is your argument that they made all this up for no reason? pathetic I'll say it again, I could care less but if you are going to act ignorant about it, then that isn't going to fly.

Proof: An admittedly disgruntled professor passed over for promotion by the guy he ratted out as the Independent Studies Guru.

Proof: Two former employees of Michigan "who refused to give out their names for fear that Michigan" would harm their professional reputations (yet several proffs at UM revealed their identities and talked extensively to Carty.

Proof: ONE professor who taught an independent studies class.

Proof: NOT A THING involving grades manipulation or academic fraud or even the accusation of it.

Proof: An article rife with innuendo, little conclusive evidence, and many ,many statements that UM is making every department harder to attain degrees in, beginning with LS&A, which the University is triving to make UM the most competitive LS&A school in the country (LS&A is a known hiding ground for aftleets).

Check the numbers for the "Criminal Justice" afleets at MSU. Pretty suspicious. The trouble with people like Baker is they assume the vast majority of colege football fans don't know that afleets are in it for the aflettix, and that fans even give a fuck about grades. We don't. We care about wins. The vast majority of afleets at any college do get some if not all of their education while there. Little screaming pieces like this don't constitute anything even resembling a noteworthy effort in investigative journalism, nor do they expose anything important. I mean, who'd have thought that major universities grease the skids a bit for their afleets? WOW!

Anyone who has a college degree, though, knows that was the easiest thing they've ever accomplished. That afleets should be held to some higher standard than the general student population is, well, fodder for prancing pussies like Baker.

heres my point: what the fuck is an general studies class? you are talking COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR ASS.

shut the fuck up, never talk about a michigan curriculem again, and you will be doing yourself and everyone else a huge favor.

You proved to everyone that you didn't read the article or you wouldn't be asking the question. That would be "a general studies course" not "an general studies." Sorry but you sound like a moron.

Diddy, do you know how fucking stupid you sound? Notice how nobody else is saying a word, it is because everyone else knows what "general studies" are moron. They probably know more because they weren't so ignorant to not read the article. You don't want to read though because it ruins your perfect world where Michigan does nothing wrong. It's so funny though because you didn't know what general studies were, you thought I made it up, and when you posted about it, you came with the phonics of a 3rd grader. Here is a piece for your lazy ass, ask someone to read it to you...

Sitting in an Ann Arbor coffee shop this winter, former University of Michigan offensive lineman Rueben Riley thought back to his arrival on campus and remembered his academic aspirations.

"I came into Michigan full of optimism, saying I'm going to do business," he said. "Apply for the business school and all this."

But when Riley finished his Michigan career after the 2006 season, he didn't have his business degree. Instead, he sought a bachelor in general studies, a degree program ignored by Michigan undergraduates on the whole, yet embraced by the school's athletes, especially football players.

Though they comprise less than 3 percent of the undergraduate population at Michigan, athletes account for 49 percent - 87 of 176 - of those enrolled in general studies.

On the 2004 football team, 58 of 74 recruited scholarship players who identified an academic course of study pursued general studies, according to media guides. Riley was one of them.

ok, athletes take general studies at a higher rate than other groups, what does that prove?

a kid took general studies when he couldnt get into the business school, what does that prove??

not only are you coming off as ignorant, baker, now your just coming off as dumb.

"but the sky is blue!!!!!!!", and...?

would you answer any of my questions? what is a general studies class, what makes it so easy? should these kids take different majors, like pre-law?

i mean, someone who knows as much as yourself on the subject shouldnt have any trouble answering these questions, right?

i would really like to hear what you think a general studies class is, baker.

is it like 'general studies 332: the study of generals', or general studies 347: more studies of generals?'

why dont you just throw out one guess for my entertainment.

i would really like to hear what you think a general studies class is, baker.

is it like 'general studies 332: the study of generals', or general studies 347: more studies of generals?'

why dont you just throw out one guess for my entertainment.

A general studies degree is a joke. It is a degree in which you cover a broad array of topics at a very minimal level rather than specializing in a field and really diving deep into that profession you are interested in. Therefore you take a bunch of 100 and 200 level classes that are easy as hell. The degree is a joke so its requirements are a joke too. Take 6 credits in communication, take 6 credits in sociology...blah blah blah You know why you don't major in that, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT. What are you going to do with that degree?

I mean seriously, can you get real for a minute and quite being ridiculously defensive in regards to your school? 75% of the players major in general studies and you and zip want to say its normal. There is no arguing with you guys, it doesn't matter what they do you'll defend it.

Zip, the act is old. You rip mchigan when no state fans are here and then defend them when state fans show up. You just beg for argument, old.

Most of Michigan's Programs are pretty tough, it's not unreasonable to think that even a hard-working, reasonably intelligent athlete would have difficulty succeeding in them, especially given their schedules.

did you seriously look it up and still get it wrong?

you cannot take a bunch of 100 and 200 level classes and pass get the degree. you can take 60 credits worth of those classes (same as every other undergrad degree from michigan).

i'd say atleast it was a good try, but even that isnt true. i also would like to hear about these easy as hell classes, even at the 100 level.

but you know 'its a joke'. good job.

I'd take a General Studies degree.

Baker, I argue where there are arguments to be made. Your high horse is weak considering that your beloved Sparties rank dead last in the Big Ten football grad rates at 51%--which puts them almost dead last if they were even in the SEC.

There have always been two points to my argument wth regard to academics. First, I agree that UM is too low at 70% (according to 2009 stats), and that they are dreaful WRT black football players at 54%. However, I come down on the side that a general studies degree, which is offered at just about every university in the country, is a good approach for many students and especially athletes who probably would not get into many universities without thier athletic ability. I don't know if "steering" is the right term to apply to what goes on at Michigan when it comes to that, or if it is "advice." Don't give me this crap that students can graduate by taking only 100 or 200 level classes, though. Not without proof on your part.

You are basing your whole argument on an article that was poorly researched, poorly written, and clearly biased. I'm not big on the media being out to get people, but Carty chose an angle, pursued that angle, and argued only that angle. He sought out only people who supported his position as well, or at least only published the opinions that agreed with him.

What I found most diappointing about the article was the tremendous build up and anticipation surrounding it, only to find out that UM offers an alternative degree that is somewhat vague and hard to define. Also, that so much was made of one independent studies class and one professor who taught it. The vast majority of athletes who worked with him took only one class with him. The article hinted that the independent studies class enabled athletes to graduate; it was as if this class was the reason athletes graduated or were able to stay eligible. Independent studies classes can probably be considered a joke throughout the academic world. To use this instance to support an argument that Michigan's reputation is built on a house of cards is about as "straw man" or "red herring" as you can get. Carty and people like you huffed and puffed for months leading up to this and it was about as substantive as your report on Keith Nichol's arm problems.

just to clarify baker, a general studies degree is just about as hard (or easy) as any other undergrad degree from michigan. you take 60 credits of any 100 and 200 level classes -- like all undergrad degrees. you also take 60 credits of 300 or above level classes, but rather than concentrating on one field, your limitted to 20 credit maximums.

to say its easier than another degree flat out is ignorant. most students who major, in say, english have a huge advantage once theyve taken enough of those classes because they've heard it all before, and maybe even have read some of the books or written some of the papers.

however, the kicker for general studies is that it doesnt have a foreign language requirement.

as far as being useless, i would say outside of a select few undergrad degrees, its probably as useful / useless as any other undergrad degree. most hiring managers look for just a degree, not a specific field (what does an 18 year old know about what they'll do in the real world anyway).

just to clarify baker, a general studies degree is just about as hard (or easy) as any other undergrad degree from michigan. you take 60 credits of any 100 and 200 level classes -- like all undergrad degrees. you also take 60 credits of 300 or above level classes, but rather than concentrating on one field, your limitted to 20 credit maximums.

to say its easier than another degree flat out is ignorant. most students who major, in say, english have a huge advantage once theyve taken enough of those classes because they've heard it all before, and maybe even have read some of the books or written some of the papers.

however, the kicker for general studies is that it doesnt have a foreign language requirement.

as far as being useless, i would say outside of a select few undergrad degrees, its probably as useful / useless as any other undergrad degree. most hiring managers look for just a degree, not a specific field (what does an 18 year old know about what they'll do in the real world anyway).
I`ll take my undegraduate degree in biochemistry over a fucking undergraduate degree in general studies anyday. Shut the fuck, b-diddy. Your attempts at defending the hallowed halls of Ann Arbor are so comical as to be embarrassing.

your 37 years old bukky, grow up.

Zip, sorry but I barely skimmed your 1,000 word post. Same old. I did see something about Spartans and that means you missed the point. First of all, I don't care what happened prior to Dantonio and he's only been there two years so we can't judge grad rates until he is a good four years in. Secondly, I don't care...I said that. I'm just not gonna let academic chest thumping from UM fans go down.

Diddy, you are right. If I'm applying for an accounting job at a major corporation, they don't look for an accounting degree...they just look for any degree. Got it. If I'm applying for a job as a financial advisor, they just look for a degree...not a finance degree. Got it. This is too funny. You are right, and it is complete coincidence that 75% of Michigan football players feel a "general studies" degree is right for them. Why did I even consider a field, I coulda just picked anything and applied for the job I wanted because Diddy says they only look for a degree period. This is just too funny.

In recruiting...

Dior Mathis told Nick Hill that he is close to committing to MSU. This commitment would give MSU a tandem of Hicks and Mathis at the corner position-stellar. Sweatervest called Dantonio the single best evaluator of secondary talent he has ever seen. I guess that explains Rucker, Johnny Adams, etc. Can't imagine if he gets top rated corners coming in.

Joe Boisture finished 2nd in the Golden Gun accuracy competition at the Elite 11. He was named in an ESPN article as a "no brainer" invite to the camp.

Diddy, you are right. If I'm applying for an accounting job at a major corporation, they don't look for an accounting degree...they just look for any degree. Got it. If I'm applying for a job as a financial advisor, they just look for a degree...not a finance degree. Got it. This is too funny. You are right, and it is complete coincidence that 75% of Michigan football players feel a "general studies" degree is right for them. Why did I even consider a field, I coulda just picked anything and applied for the job I wanted because Diddy says they only look for a degree period. This is just too funny.

your a teacher, right? which means, you dont really have much experience in the 'real' world.

if you think, per your example, financial advisors all have degrees in finance, you are sadly (or perhaps should be horrifyingly) mistaken. most of those guys are just salesmen, and may not have a college degree at all.

do you really think all those english majors are working in the fast and exciting field of english? that there are millions of historians and philosophers, gainfully employed in the US?

i actually read on article about how IBM used to give a + to people with college degrees that werent in computer science.

your 37 years old bukky, grow up.
Never. Also, I would take an ME, CE or EE undergraduate degree over a undergraduate degree in general studies. In addition, I would take degrees in accounting, economics, finance, chemistry, physics and mathematics over general studies. Your argument is specious at best.

In recruiting...

Dior Mathis told Nick Hill that he is close to committing to MSU. This commitment would give MSU a tandem of Hicks and Mathis at the corner position-stellar. Sweatervest called Dantonio the single best evaluator of secondary talent he has ever seen. I guess that explains Rucker, Johnny Adams, etc. Can't imagine if he gets top rated corners coming in.

Joe Boisture finished 2nd in the Golden Gun accuracy competition at the Elite 11. He was named in an ESPN article as a "no brainer" invite to the camp.
Hey, great news. If Mathis is friends with a kid like Hill, then that definitely bodes well for Mathis.

I knew about Boisture coming in 2nd in the Golden Gun competition, but I was unaware of the ESPN "no brainer" comment.

MSU is after a 5'8 corner? What the fuck is it with Dantonio and Smurfs? First Nick Hill and now Mathis? Who next, Tatoo?

your a teacher, right? which means, you dont really have much experience in the 'real' world.

if you think, per your example, financial advisors all have degrees in finance, you are sadly (or perhaps should be horrifyingly) mistaken. most of those guys are just salesmen, and may not have a college degree at all.

do you really think all those english majors are working in the fast and exciting field of english? that there are millions of historians and philosophers, gainfully employed in the US?

i actually read on article about how IBM used to give a + to people with college degrees that werent in computer science.

The statistics are pretty alarming about how few people are actually in the field they studied for their degree when compared with the work they do. I would bet a thousand bucks that bukdow doesn't do shit with his "biochemistry" degree. Teehee. Wink Wink.