The Official Fire Joe Dumars Thread

[micknugget]

Come on guys. You had to see it coming.

Well, I had faith in Joe until he seemed to miss out on several draft day trades and then takes 3 f%$#ing guards while passing on some other good players that the team actually NEEDS!! What were you thinking Joe? You draft Darko and give him away cheap and then you give Delfino away for nothing and now this. Sorry Joe but I have just lost faith in you. Are you grooming yourself to take over Millens job at keeping a team down???

[Laxation]

I agree. I keep waiting for something to happen that makes it all make sense, but its just one shit move after another at the moment.

[realistic]

I think he's earned at least 1 more season of hardcore sucking before this becomes a sensible consideration.

[b-diddy]

we're kind of hamstrung. obviously, were on a strict budget.

this is worsened because joe decided to build a team of balanced, good players. its a juggling act just to keep it together, let alone improve it.

i wouldnt fire him based on tonights draft. im intrigued by stuckey. i didnt like aflalo, but we'll see. i could care less about #57.

but i think joe has been sloppy since picking up dice. with such a tight budget, we sure have wasted alot of money. what was it, 10 mill on dale davis? 5 on mo evans? 2 years to flip murray? 5 to linsdey? 30 to nazr??? trading for arroyo?

then there was the darko trade: can we call it a debacle yet?

right now we're just wading our way back to the field. after we lost ben last year, i'd have blown up the team and rebuilt with a different mentality. get one or two superstars, that i know nomatter what i can keep, and then just fill in the holes. atleast i can manage my budget, keep my core, and atleast theoretically improve my team.

what are we going to do to improve this team this summer? please. grant hill? even if he can stay healthy for a whole nother season again, dude is old now. hes not going to get us over the hump. and were not going to go pickup a big, MLE free agent.

pretty much the best we can hope for is that our core isnt much worse than it was last year, and that our young guys really kick ass (wouldnt bet on it). so last year we won 53 and made it to the finals, this year we probably win 50 and make it to the conferance semi finals. this would be bearable if we played an exciting brand of basketball or atleast had likeable stars on our team. but thats a negative on both accounts.

i'll probably tune in to check out a few games to see what this stuckey guy is like (never seen him). but i dont anticipate watching too many piston games.

i only partially blame joe. i think wilson/davidson have just about as much blame in this as anyone.

for the record, i wouldnt fire joe. not unless i knew who was coming in.

[theMUHMEshow]

I am so pissed I dont know where to start

[JS]

B-Diddy, I agree Joe isn't the only one to blame, the Old Man and his hand picked ass wiper are huge part of the problem. The wasting of money to avoid the luxary tax is beyond a sick ironic joke.

Hell if Joe would have been able to get 3 million in cash from toilet paper roll that Mr. D uses to wipe his ass, we could have bought an extra first and drafted a player who we needed.

The fact that this organization is so afraid of the luxury tax is a joke considering how much money Mr. D and his companies make per year. Like I said before, I get hating something if you tried it but the team won't even pay the luxary tax to win a championship, that is sick. Since the Big Nasty trade the cap and lux tax have been bigger issues than winning titles and that bothers me.

[Uncle Mxy]

Anyone saying "Fire Joe Dumars" needs to identify someone else to take the spot. Does anyone think Hammond would do things much differently?

[micknugget]

Anyone saying "Fire Joe Dumars" needs to identify someone else to take the spot. Does anyone think Hammond would do things much differently?

After this draft, I'm sure that we could find someone to do a better job than Joe as of late. Why am I so pissed off? Here's why:

We needed:

a backup PG
a backup SF
a backup C

We got three backup SG's!!!

At #15 we passed on Crittenton and Young

At #27 we passed on Splitter, Pruitt, Fazekas, H. Hill, McRoberts, Fesenko, Gasol.

There were several deals that were made and the Pistons weren't in on any of them. Even if it was a small deal like getting an extra second rd. pick it would have made a huge difference.

How much better would our drfat have been with:

#15 Young
#27 Pruitt
#36 Fesenko or McRoberts (grab an early second by buying it or in this case, offering Minny one or both of the Tor. 2nds for the pick Minny owes us.)
#57 Meija (I actually like this pick except for him being the 3rd SG)

All of a sudden we got a PG, SG, SF, and a C and had a great draft.

This is why I'm so disappointed in Joe and with his recent track record, I don't think it would be hard to find a replacement that could do a better job.

[luniz]

I think it's dumb to compare Dumars to Millen because of Darko. Yea it didn't work out, but at least he made the pick because he was listening to his scouts, instead of letting a clueless owner make the pick. The only horrible move Dumars made was Nazr. It's idiotic to fire the GM of a team that goes to the conference finals 5 years in a row, especially when you can't replace him with a sure thing.

[micknugget]

I think it's dumb to compare Dumars to Millen because of Darko. Yea it didn't work out, but at least he made the pick because he was listening to his scouts, instead of letting a clueless owner make the pick. The only horrible move Dumars made was Nazr. It's idiotic to fire the GM of a team that goes to the conference finals 5 years in a row, especially when you can't replace him with a sure thing.

The Millen comparison isn't just because of Darko. The comparison that I was talking about was inconsistant drafting and free agent signings. Every draft with the Lions is exciting until a after it happens. Then all of the fans are like......what? About a year or two after the draft, Lions fans are like....son of a b%$ch. The Pistons are headed in the same direction as of late. It's just very disappointing.