ECF OST: Detroit Pistons vs Cleveland Lebrons (Cavs win 4-2)

[Tahoe]

Weird, crock of shyt excuses would be most peoples take on your sheed talk. I'm sure you're missing that irony. Regardless Tayshaun played fairly well on defense and offense last series. Again i see you're gonna avoid the obvious and make me explain it all to you. I can only hope you're in high school with this dumb shit. either way have fun asking questions and disputing the answers. If you think think you know what happened to Tay, buck up like a man and say what. Otherwise stop leaning on sarcastic questions like a fifth grader asking why the sky is blue.

Look Butt breath, I'll post the way I post. If its asking a question in an attempt to get my point across thats what I'm gonna do.

[Tahoe]

My point has been made. Good to see you take your anger out on fans on the internet. You probably crumble into your couch crying like a girl wishing you had the nuts to say that to a real person. If you dont like the original reply, dont ask the the question rhetorical or not. You gotta grow up at some point Tahoe. Try tonight and let it go.

Wrong again. I blew my gasket on game 5. Last night was just a rerun(sp?).

And by the fucking way, you started with the insults. I stuck to the topic whether you liked the way I was doing it or not.

And by the fucking way 2, LOL at I've never said that to another person.

[Matt]

Damn, what a way to end.

There was no ending that was going to be pleasant, but it sucks nonetheless.

Here's to Joe Dumars, the ONLY piston I can trust right now.....

[Uncle Mxy]

Some interesting statistics from the +/- point of view that I assembled:

Game 1 Margin of victory: +3 favoring the Pistons
Billups: +5
Hamilton: +4
Prince: +7
Wallace: +6
Webber: +1
Cavs highest +/-: Snow (+7)
BronBron: -5 (didn't play ~3 minutes)

Game 2 Margin: +3
Billups: +11
Hamilton: +9
Prince: +14
Wallace +6
Webber: +13
Cavs highest +/-: Marshall (+9)
BronBron: -6 (didn't play 3 minutes)

Game 3 Margin: -6
Billups: -5
Hamilton: -17
Prince: -3
Wallace: -5
Webber: -4
Cavs highest +/-: Pavlovic/Gooden (+14)
BronBron: 6 (didn't play 2 minutes)

Game 4 Margin: -4
Billups: +2
Hamilton: -9
Prince: -1
Wallace: +2
Webber: +2
Cavs highest +/-: Ilgauskas (+7)
BronBron: -4 (didn't play 4 minutes)

Game 5 Margin: -2
Billups: +5
Hamilton: -1
Prince: +4
Wallace: 0
Webber: +15
Cavs highest +/-: Marshall (+21)
BronBron: +2 (didn't play 8 minutes)

Game 6 Margin: -16
Billups: -11
Hamilton: -3
Prince: -3
Wallace: -4
Webber: -10
Cavs highest +/-: Varejao (+21)
BronBron: +13 (didn't play 2 minutes)

Cumulative Margin: -22
Billups: +7
Hamilton: -17
Prince: +18
Wallace: +5
Webber: +17

BronBron: +6 (didn't play ~22 minutes)
Gooden: +3
Hughes: +3
Ilgauskas: -29
Pavlovic: -11

Gibson: +39
Varejao: +42

[Tahoe]

Wow, Prince jumps out at me with cum +18.

I'm assuming Ham's negs are so high is cuz of LBJ?

[Uncle Mxy]

Wow, Prince jumps out at me with cum +18.

Not only that, but he led in +/- among our starters in 4 of the 6 games. It's not as if there was one game that skewed things.

Generally speaking, with a cumulative +/- of -22, you'd expect the +/- for the winner starters (who play the most minutes) to be somewhere around +22, and the +/- of the losing starters to be somewhere around -22. With LeBron James, the best and most-heralded player on either side, playing nearly all the minutes, you'd *really* expect his +/- to be around +22, if not higher. That certainly didn't happen here. It's their bench that killed us, and no I'm not just talking about Gibson shooting his mind out. They killed

When we turned to the bench, we got:

McDyess: -25
Maxiell: -30
Hunter: -31
Delfino: -38

It's clear that, on the whole, our bench isn't up to their bench. Especially with fatigue less of a factor during the playoffs, the extent we play our bench versus starters should largely be a function of fouls/refs and coaching. Trying to play our bench as a unit, with 2 or 3+ bench players on the court, is just suicidal.

I'm assuming Ham's negs are so high is cuz of LBJ?

I don't think so. I think that has a lot to do with Rip playing shit D. It seemed like every time, it was Tay rushing to defend Gibson at the 3P line. Tay has a super-tough cover... he's not going to be able to consistently cover for anyone else.

[micknugget]

Looking over the box score you see some glaring numbers:

Prince: 1-10 shooting (dunk the fucking ball), 6 assists

Billups: 3-7 shooting, 1 assist (that's right, one fucking assist and you want how much?)

Sheed: 2 rebounds (two fucking rebounds in 30 minutes, are you kidding?)

[Tahoe]

Ilgauskas -29. Does not compute.

Prince was trying just couldn't finish. Dunk would have been a nice option.

Billups...I've whined about him enough. But all these guys(minus Rip) changed their shots over and over afraid of getting blocked or something...dare I say intimidated. It seemed like it to me.

Sheed. It was tough for Sheed covering Ilgauskas when he had to. But this one play Iggy was practicing the tip drill on the offensive end while Sheed watched.

[Uncle Mxy]

Ilgauskas -29. Does not compute.

They'd try to get Big Z off in the 3rd quarter, when we'd often have our best performances. He never had a positive +/- for the 2nd half. I suspect he's playing too many minutes. He has 20-odd mpg feet owing to his past injuries, but played heavy minutes in the playoffs until Game 6.

[Fool]

Losing sucks.