Look Butt breath, I'll post the way I post. If its asking a question in an attempt to get my point across thats what I'm gonna do.Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
Look Butt breath, I'll post the way I post. If its asking a question in an attempt to get my point across thats what I'm gonna do.Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
Wrong again. I blew my gasket on game 5. Last night was just a rerun(sp?).
And by the fucking way, you started with the insults. I stuck to the topic whether you liked the way I was doing it or not.
And by the fucking way 2, LOL at I've never said that to another person.
Damn, what a way to end.
There was no ending that was going to be pleasant, but it sucks nonetheless.
Here's to Joe Dumars, the ONLY piston I can trust right now.....
Some interesting statistics from the +/- point of view that I assembled:
Game 1 Margin of victory: +3 favoring the Pistons
Billups: +5
Hamilton: +4
Prince: +7
Wallace: +6
Webber: +1
Cavs highest +/-: Snow (+7)
BronBron: -5 (didn't play ~3 minutes)
Game 2 Margin: +3
Billups: +11
Hamilton: +9
Prince: +14
Wallace +6
Webber: +13
Cavs highest +/-: Marshall (+9)
BronBron: -6 (didn't play 3 minutes)
Game 3 Margin: -6
Billups: -5
Hamilton: -17
Prince: -3
Wallace: -5
Webber: -4
Cavs highest +/-: Pavlovic/Gooden (+14)
BronBron: 6 (didn't play 2 minutes)
Game 4 Margin: -4
Billups: +2
Hamilton: -9
Prince: -1
Wallace: +2
Webber: +2
Cavs highest +/-: Ilgauskas (+7)
BronBron: -4 (didn't play 4 minutes)
Game 5 Margin: -2
Billups: +5
Hamilton: -1
Prince: +4
Wallace: 0
Webber: +15
Cavs highest +/-: Marshall (+21)
BronBron: +2 (didn't play 8 minutes)
Game 6 Margin: -16
Billups: -11
Hamilton: -3
Prince: -3
Wallace: -4
Webber: -10
Cavs highest +/-: Varejao (+21)
BronBron: +13 (didn't play 2 minutes)
Cumulative Margin: -22
Billups: +7
Hamilton: -17
Prince: +18
Wallace: +5
Webber: +17
BronBron: +6 (didn't play ~22 minutes)
Gooden: +3
Hughes: +3
Ilgauskas: -29
Pavlovic: -11
Gibson: +39
Varejao: +42
Wow, Prince jumps out at me with cum +18.
I'm assuming Ham's negs are so high is cuz of LBJ?
Not only that, but he led in +/- among our starters in 4 of the 6 games. It's not as if there was one game that skewed things.Originally Posted by Tahoe
Generally speaking, with a cumulative +/- of -22, you'd expect the +/- for the winner starters (who play the most minutes) to be somewhere around +22, and the +/- of the losing starters to be somewhere around -22. With LeBron James, the best and most-heralded player on either side, playing nearly all the minutes, you'd *really* expect his +/- to be around +22, if not higher. That certainly didn't happen here. It's their bench that killed us, and no I'm not just talking about Gibson shooting his mind out. They killed
When we turned to the bench, we got:
McDyess: -25
Maxiell: -30
Hunter: -31
Delfino: -38
It's clear that, on the whole, our bench isn't up to their bench. Especially with fatigue less of a factor during the playoffs, the extent we play our bench versus starters should largely be a function of fouls/refs and coaching. Trying to play our bench as a unit, with 2 or 3+ bench players on the court, is just suicidal.
I don't think so. I think that has a lot to do with Rip playing shit D. It seemed like every time, it was Tay rushing to defend Gibson at the 3P line. Tay has a super-tough cover... he's not going to be able to consistently cover for anyone else.I'm assuming Ham's negs are so high is cuz of LBJ?
Last edited by Uncle Mxy; 06-03-2007 at 04:43 PM.
Looking over the box score you see some glaring numbers:
Prince: 1-10 shooting (dunk the fucking ball), 6 assists
Billups: 3-7 shooting, 1 assist (that's right, one fucking assist and you want how much?)
Sheed: 2 rebounds (two fucking rebounds in 30 minutes, are you kidding?)
Ilgauskas -29. Does not compute.
Prince was trying just couldn't finish. Dunk would have been a nice option.
Billups...I've whined about him enough. But all these guys(minus Rip) changed their shots over and over afraid of getting blocked or something...dare I say intimidated. It seemed like it to me.
Sheed. It was tough for Sheed covering Ilgauskas when he had to. But this one play Iggy was practicing the tip drill on the offensive end while Sheed watched.
They'd try to get Big Z off in the 3rd quarter, when we'd often have our best performances. He never had a positive +/- for the 2nd half. I suspect he's playing too many minutes. He has 20-odd mpg feet owing to his past injuries, but played heavy minutes in the playoffs until Game 6.Originally Posted by Tahoe
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