Best season ever for Izzo?

[Baker]

Same one. I can live with this discussion. And Tre, if possible, look back and see how many of those threads I started. And they were about different topics one was Who should play OSU?, one was Tressel's comments, one was about articles in the media, and the other was the Rose Bowl thread.

8 threads that somehow involve UM football, I don't care what variation. Like we've said in the past, if you don't want to read it: Don't click on it!

[Zip Goshboots]

Dr Tre:
Hey, no offense taken! I guess you take stock of whatever you can, and if Izzo and the Izzoids are happy if they go 16-12, then groove on!
You are right that I'm judging Izzo on past seasons, and thinking that "Hey, it's Michigan State, they have Izzo, and we'll see them standing tall at the end of the season". I'm looking at that Final Four from two years ago and thinking there is no way he can top that. That came out of now where if you ask me.

[Hermy]

Can anyone imagine UofM fan having this conversatoin about Carr? (I know, you lose more with an individual departure in hoops...whatever).

[Baker]

Can anyone imagine UofM fan having this conversatoin about Carr? (I know, you lose more with an individual departure in hoops...whatever).

This is not a football thread. We have 37 UM football threads so don't go there.

But, you answered your own question. Don't compare apples to oranges. In basketball, you can lose nearly your entire playing group due to graduation and the NBA. The fact that only 5 players play at a time magnifies the impact. It is a completely different situation, so don't go suggesting UM is at some higher level because they don't have years like this.

The elite of the elite in college bball have down years. Name the top 10 programs in the country and I'll cite down years. Duke has probably done the best with that. However, North Carolina, Kansas, Arizona, UConn, Kentucky, etc. etc. have all had recent years of down teams due to the way the sport is set up.

[Hermy]

Yeah, thats why I said whatever. God, can you shut up for like 2 hours.

[Vinny]

Absolutely not. A huge part of college coaching is to maintain the talent level in the program and Izzo has failed in that regard this year. Just because he does "better than was expected" doesn't excuse an otherwise failed season if they don't go far in the postseason.

Izzo just used the oldest trick in th book, lower expectations as far as you can so that if/when something good happens, you look that much better for it. Don't fall for it.

[Baker]

Absolutely not. A huge part of college coaching is to maintain the talent level in the program and Izzo has failed in that regard this year. Just because he does "better than was expected" doesn't excuse an otherwise failed season if they don't go far in the postseason.

Izzo just used the oldest trick in th book, lower expectations as far as you can so that if/when something good happens, you look that much better for it. Don't fall for it.

I'm sorry man, I know I come off as a biased fan when it comes to Michigan topics, but your response just stinks of maize and blue garbage. Either that or you don't follow basketball much. Let me prove my point:

Roy Williams was named Coach of the Year last year. Did Williams win the ACC? Nope. Did he go to the Final Four? Nope. National Championship? Nope.

Then why did he win Coach of the Year? It was because voters are intelligent and they knew the situation. They lost a ridiculous amount of players and his team still finished with a solid record and played well. Did you hear fans saying that he failed? Absolutely not.

That's North Carolina, one of the most prestigious/recognized/storied programs not only in basketball but all of college sports. Were you ripping UNC for having lowered expectations? Retarded. Glad you don't have a vote.

[Vinny]

I'm sorry man, I know I come off as a biased fan when it comes to Michigan topics, but your response just stinks of maize and blue garbage. Either that or you don't follow basketball much. Let me prove my point:

Roy Williams was named Coach of the Year last year. Did Williams win the ACC? Nope. Did he go to the Final Four? Nope. National Championship? Nope.

Then why did he win Coach of the Year? It was because voters are intelligent and they knew the situation. They lost a ridiculous amount of players and his team still finished with a solid record and played well. Did you hear fans saying that he failed? Absolutely not.

That's North Carolina, one of the most prestigious/recognized/storied programs not only in basketball but all of college sports. Were you ripping UNC for having lowered expectations? Retarded. Glad you don't have a vote.

Lol. Your posts are high comedy at this point. You're so jaded and you don't even know it.

[Baker]

Lol. Your posts are high comedy at this point. You're so jaded and you don't even know it.

Nice response. You claim I'm jaded but haven't been able to counter my points or backup your own.

If you told Bilas, Vitale, or any other informed college basketball cover guy in the media that you expect every major bball program in the country to maintain Final Four expectations and never have a year with lowered expectation, they would laugh at you.

You think I'm jaded, but you are the one that is making it very clear that you don't follow the sport or know anything about it.

[Vinny]

Nice response. You claim I'm jaded but haven't been able to counter my points or backup your own.

If you told Bilas, Vitale, or any other informed college basketball cover guy in the media that you expect every major bball program in the country to maintain Final Four expectations and never have a year with lowered expectation, they would laugh at you.

You think I'm jaded, but you are the one that is making it very clear that you don't follow the sport or know anything about it.

Let us review:

• You posed a question about MSU basketball.
• You provided your answer for said question.
• I provided a response that differed from your answer.
• You had a tantrum and started calling me names.

I never said there couldn't be lowered expectations for a basketball program, I never said it wasn't acceptable, I said that in such a season, you couldn't then consider it the coaches "Best Season Ever" because it's not. You really need to consider going to an MSU only board because it's becoming increasingly obvious that you don't want to listen to anyone who disagrees with you.