More wins this year, Lions or Raiders?

[Glenn]

It's a simple question.

Lions Schedule
Sep 10 Seattle 1:00pm
Sep 17 @Chicago 1:00pm
Sep 24 Green Bay 1:00pm
Oct 1 @St. Louis 4:05pm
Oct 8 @Minnesota 1:00pm
Oct 15 Buffalo 1:00pm
Oct 22 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm
Week 8 BYE
Nov 5 Atlanta 1:00pm
Nov 12 San Francisco 1:00pm
Nov 19 @Arizona 4:05pm
Nov 23 Miami 12:30pm
Dec 3 @New England 1:00pm
Dec 10 Minnesota 1:00pm
Dec 17 @Green Bay 1:00pm
Dec 24 Chicago 1:00pm
Dec 31 @Dallas 1:00pm

Raiders Schedule
Sep 11 San Diego 10:15pm
Sep 17 @Baltimore 1:00pm
Week 3 BYE
Oct 1 Cleveland 4:15pm
Oct 8 @San Francisco 4:05pm
Oct 15 @Denver 8:15pm
Oct 22 Arizona 4:15pm
Oct 29 Pittsburgh 4:15pm
Nov 6 @Seattle 8:30pm
Nov 12 Denver 4:05pm
Nov 19 @Kansas City 1:00pm
Nov 26 @San Diego 4:05pm
Dec 3 Houston 4:05pm
Dec 10 @Cincinnati 1:00pm
Dec 17 St. Louis 4:15pm
Dec 23 Kansas City 8:00pm
Dec 31 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm

[Jethro34]

Lions. Both teams have new QB's, but Brooks has been the guy for the same team since he came into the league. It will be interesting to see his adjustment. Meanwhile, the Porter mess makes it chaotic there. Moss and Jordan are better than anything we have going offensively, but we'll see how it works around them.
Kitna knows how to come in and fit with a new team quickly while making the most of what he has. The talent is here, no doubt, he just has to get it out of them.
Defensively the Lions were better last year than Oakland, and I think the Lions will be even better this season on D. Oakland should also be improved, but edge to the Lions being a bit ahead.
I think our schedule is also a tad bit easier.

Given all that, neither will be a playoff team. We're looking at maybe 7 wins for the Lions on the high side, about the same for the Raiders on the high side, but we have a slightly better chance of getting there so I think we'll finish with one or two more wins.

[Glenn]

I also have 7 for the Lions, and 5 (tops) for the Raiders.

Not only are the Raiders a mess, but that division (thus, that schedule) is brutal.

I'm interested to see what our many resident Raider fans have to say.

[Black Dynamite]

Raiders. Our coach has more experience in coaching though both are high on discipline. we only have one crybaby receiver, the lions have 2 1/2, our crybaby receiver is in the best shape of his career, yours is getting fat, jon kitna breaks even with aaron brooks IMO, aaron brooks has a stronger arm and faster feet, Andrew Walter has more upside than Josh McCown, Your defensive has more experience, your DT's are better easily(shaun rogers one of the top 5 in the league), i like our DE's better for pass rush, I like our o-line better, and we are faster on defense.



EDIT: Brooks is definately better than Kitna. better career QB rating, a better td to INT ratio, and more td.s in less years. And my memory of kitna as a rival in seattle was a guy who sucked worse than brooks when his o-line wasnt great.

[Black Dynamite]

I also have 7 for the Lions, and 5 (tops) for the Raiders.

Not only are the Raiders a mess, but that division (thus, that schedule) is brutal.

I'm interested to see what our many resident Raider fans have to say.

The beauty of watching espn, is that you dont know mess about the raiders if you think we are a mess. We are all on the same page for the first time since the gruden era. Porter is the lone whiner. And he was whining in the gruden era so who cares. Fuck him, he aint a leader on this squad.

If you want a non bias look at the raiders go to NFL network. Espn in a beef with Al Davis and they've exchanged cheap shots for awhile now.

[Darth Thanatos]

I think the Raiders are better. They have some good youth and a lot more team speed on offense than the Lions.

EDIT: I think the Lions will win a game more because of SOS.

[Glenn]

How many wins for the Raiders since they have it all together, Gutz?

10? 11? More?

[Black Dynamite]

How many wins for the Raiders since they have it all together, Gutz?

10? 11? More?

i'm not naive. its not a perfect sb team yet. but i figure between 7 and 9 wins. definately not 5 wins as someone said. For the lions i see them maxing out at 6 wins. the qb situation is not that much more improved and looking at their careers i'd rather have brooks over kitna. brooks will stretch the field better and make more plays. his last two seasons his o-line was garbage and without blocking he's prone to force more passes. but i think our o-line will be pretty good this year.

Then theres the Moss factor. a factor that has helping scrambling heave ho qb's like brooks throughout Moss's career. Prime examples were cunningham(who was supposed to be washed up that year he was hitting moss) and cullpepper(you see how he is w/o Moss). With that said, i even have Walter as my darkhorse, Not because brooks isnt able. But because I think he can be that good. But we'll see in a couple weeks how things are looking.

[Glenn]

Damn, I was hoping that I was finally going to be able to document you being wrong about something for the first time, lol.

If the Raiders get 9 wins this year, I'll eat my hat.

[Black Dynamite]

Damn, I was hoping that I was finally going to be able to document you being wrong about something for the first time, lol.

If the Raiders get 9 wins this year, I'll eat my hat.

i'd prefer if you ate his hat.


Seriously though my low is 7-9 my high is 9-7. anything else would surprise me.