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    Quote Originally Posted by al Zawahri
    "The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires. ... It is a Jihad for God's sake and will last until (our) religion prevails," al-Zawahri said. "We will attack everywhere."
    Quote Originally Posted by WH Press Sec. Tony Snow
    The President is opposed to (actually testing embryos before simply throwing them out), because the president is opposed to murder.
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    Wait. Throwing them out is not murder, but testing them before throwing them out is murder? WTF, George?

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    Does anyone have an English translation of al Zawahri's full speech (as opposed to just the soundbytes)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taymelo
    Quote Originally Posted by al Zawahri
    "The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires. ... It is a Jihad for God's sake and will last until (our) religion prevails," al-Zawahri said. "We will attack everywhere."
    Keep putting Lebanese people in danger so you can win mother fucker. Four-eyed son of a bitch. Lebanon is being ruined by a bunch of 5'2 virgins with more body hair on them than an ape.

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    34 youths among 56 dead in Israeli strike By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer 17 minutes ago


    Israeli missiles hit several buildings in a southern Lebanon village as people slept Sunday, killing at least 56, most of them children, in the deadliest attack in 19 days of fighting.
    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed "great sorrow" for the airstrikes but blamed Hezbollah guerrillas for using the area to launch rockets at Israel, and said he would not halt the army's operation.
    The Lebanese Red Cross said the airstrike in Qana, in which at least 34 children were killed, pushed the overall Lebanese death toll to more than 500. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice postponed a visit to Lebanon in a setback for diplomatic efforts to end hostilities. She was to return to the U.S. Monday morning, abruptly breaking off her diplomatic mission in the Mideast.
    Before the airstrike, Olmert told Rice he needed 10-14 days to finish the offensive in Lebanon, according to a senior Israeli government official. The two said they would meet again Sunday evening.
    "We will not stop this battle, despite the difficult incidents this morning," Olmert said said during Israel's weekly Cabinet meeting, according to a participant in the meeting. "We will continue the activity and if necessary it will be broadened without hesitation."
    U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan called an emergency Security Council meeting Sunday at the request of Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora
    The council was expected to discuss a French-sponsored draft resolution spelling out a series of steps meant to resolve the crisis, including an immediate halt to fighting.
    Rice said she had called Saniora to postpone her visit to Lebanon; angry Lebanese officials said it was their government that called off the meeting.
    Israeli said it targeted Qana because it was a base for hundreds of rockets launched at Israeli, including 40 that injured five Israelis on Sunday. Israel said it had warned civilians several days before to leave the village.
    "One must understand the Hezbollah is using their own civilian population as human shields," said Israeli Foreign Ministry official Gideon Meir. "The Israeli defense forces dropped leaflets and warned the civilian population to leave the place because the Hezbollah turned it into a war zone."
    Rescuers aided by villagers dug through the rubble by hand. At least 20 bodies wrapped in white sheets were taken away, including 10 children. A row of houses lay in ruins, and an old woman was carried away on a plastic chair.
    Villagers said many of the dead were from four families who had taken refuge in on the ground floor of a three-story building, believing they would be safe from bombings.
    "We want this to stop!" shouted Mohammed Ismail, a middle-aged man pulling away at the rubble in search for bodies, his brown pants covered in dust. "May God have mercy on the children. They came here to escape the fighting."
    "They are hitting children to bring the fighters to their knees," he said.
    Rice said she was "deeply saddened by the terrible loss of innocent life" in Israel's attack. But she did not call for an immediate cease-fire in the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah militias.
    "We all recognize this kind of warfare is extremely difficult," Rice said, noting it comes in areas where civilians live. "It unfortunately has awful consequences sometimes."
    "We want a cease-fire as soon as possible," she added.

    The United States and Israel are pressing for a settlement that addresses enduring issues between Lebanon and Israel and disables Hezbollah — not the quick truce favored by most world leaders.
    Saniora said Lebanon would be open only to an immediate cease-fire.
    "There is no place at this sad moment for any discussions other than an immediate and unconditional cease-fire as well as international investigation of the Israeli massacres in Lebanon now," he told reporters Sunday.
    More than 5,000 people protested in central Beirut, denouncing Israel and the United States, some chanting, "Destroy Tel Aviv, destroy Tel Aviv." A few broke car windows and tried briefly to break into the main U.N. building until political leaders called for a halt to damage.
    Lebanese Defense Minister Elias Murr questioned Israel's claim that Hezbollah fired rockets from the village. "What do you expect Israel to say? Will it say that it killed 40 children and women?" he told Al-Jazeera television.
    Qana, in the hills east of the southern port city of Tyre, has a bloody history. In 1996, Israeli artillery killed more than 100 civilians who had taken refuge at a U.N. base in the village. That attack sparked an international outcry that helped end an Israeli offensive.
    Sunday's attack drew swift condemnation from several world leaders.
    French President Jacques Chirac's office said "France condemns this unjustifiable action, which shows more than ever the need to move toward an immediate cease-fire."
    Jordan's King Abdullah II condemned "the ugly crime perpetrated by Israeli forces in Qana."
    Lebanese officials said most of their citizens slain in the conflict have been civilians. Thirty-three Israeli soldiers have died, and Hezbollah rocket attacks on northern Israel have killed 18 civilians.
    Fighting also broke out between guerrillas and Israeli soldiers in a zone called the Taibeh Project area, about 2 miles inside Lebanon. The Israeli army said one soldier was wounded. Hezbollah's al-Manar TV claimed two Israeli soldiers were killed.
    Heavy artillery rained down on the villages of Yuhmor and Arnoun, close to Taibeh. In northern Israel, rockets fell on Nahariya, Kiryat Shemona and an area close to Maalot, the army said.
    Israel has said it would launch a series of limited ground incursions into Lebanon to push back guerrillas, rather than carry out a full-fledged invasion. Israeli troops pulled back Saturday from the town of Bint Jbail, suggesting the thrust, launched a week ago, had halted.
    But Lebanese officials reported a massing of troops and 12 tanks near the Israeli town of Metulla further to the northeast, on the tip of the Galilee Panhandle near the Golan Heights, suggesting another incursion could begin soon.
    The Security Council has yet to take a stance on the fighting, in part because the United States has not called for a cessation of hostilities.
    The French draft circulated also seeks a wide new buffer zone in south Lebanon free of Israeli and Hezbollah forces and monitored by international forces and the Lebanese army.
    British Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said the strike on Qana was a "tragedy" but stopped short of calling for a cease-fire.
    A peace package Rice brought to the region called for a U.N.-mandated multinational force that can help stabilize in the region, according to a U.S. official speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.
    It also proposes: disarming Hezbollah and integrating the guerrilla force into the Lebanese army; Hezbollah's return of Israeli prisoners; a buffer zone in southern Lebanon to put Hezbollah rockets out of range of Israel; a commitment to resolve the status of a piece of land held by Israel and claimed by Lebanon; and the creation of an international reconstruction plan for Lebanon.
    The latter two provisions resembled parts of a proposal by Lebanon's government. But they fell short of Hezbollah's demands, including a prisoner swap to free Lebanese held for years in Israeli prisons and the disputed land, known as Chebaa farms, put under U.N. supervision until its status can be resolved.
    ___ Associated Press Writer Katherine Shrader in Jerusalem contributed to this story.




    Fox, CNN, and MSNBC are reporting that there are now over 60 dead from these strikes. 40 Children. All civilian. Fuck Israel. All this loss of life over two fucking soldiers? But they said they were sorry, so I guess that makes it ok. Give me a fucking break.
    Last edited by Anthony; 07-30-2006 at 01:01 PM.

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    US urges restraint after Qana By Caren Bohan1 hour, 8 minutes ago


    The United States urged Israel on Sunday to take more care to avoid civilian casualties in Lebanon after an air strike killed at least 60 people, but still resisted calls for an immediate ceasefire.
    White House spokesman Tony Snow said U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was working to arrange the conditions for a "sustainable" halt to the violence as soon as possible.
    "This is a horrible event, a terrible event, and we certainly want to make it clear that not only do we feel sorrow for what happened, but determination that it really is important to end the conditions that led to that," Snow told a group of reporters by telephone.
    President George W. Bush is under pressure from Arab leaders as well as many in Europe who want an immediate ceasefire.
    Despite Sunday's events, he still insists on a resolution that aims to end Hizbollah's military control of southern Lebanon, officials said.
    Snow repeated that "Israel does have a right to defend itself" but said it should show restraint and remember that in the end it will need to have positive relations with Lebanon and work for a two-state solution for the Palestinians.
    Bush was informed of the Qana attack at 6:40 a.m. EDT (10:40 GMT) by national security adviser Stephen Hadley and discussed it on the telephone with Rice and Hadley.
    Snow said Bush wanted to push ahead this week toward a U.N. Security Council resolution that would set conditions for a ceasefire and establish a multinational force.
    The Security Council met in emergency session on Sunday with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan urging the body to condemn the Qana attack and call for an immediate end to hostilities.
    Despite growing calls around the world for an immediate ceasefire, the United States has insisted for days that hostilities should only be halted on a basis that will last.
    It backs Israeli demands for the Lebanese army, bolstered by an international force, to deploy to the south of the country currently controlled by Hizbollah which has used the territory to rain rockets down on towns in northern Israel.
    Images of destruction and mass civilian casualties in Lebanon are fueling anti-American fury throughout the entire Arab world and may force Israel to end its offensive sooner than it would like, without achieving its strategic goal of inflicting massive damage on Hizbollah.
    Bush has insisted that a ceasefire package must include steps to compel Hizbollah to stop attacking Israel while putting pressure on Syria and Iran to stop arming Hizbollah with rockets and other weapons. (Additional reporting by Steve Holland)

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    Syndicate Emeritus, Site Co-Founder Taymelo's Avatar
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    Listen.

    I'm not saying what's going on is Israel is right or wrong... but if you accept that Israel is only trying to do what is necessary to keep their people safe, and to stabilize the region and provide security and peace over the long haul, and if you accept that they are fighting a front on the globar war against islamo-fascism, then you're going to have to live with civilian deaths.

    Shit, we dropped atomic bombs on thousands if not millions of innocent japanese people in WWII, to prevent nazi'ism, causing deformed children even today, and for many years to come there will be more and more deformed children, and childrens' children, as a result of our acts against a civilian population.

    If you think what is happening in Lebanon is ANYTHING NEAR like what the US did to Japan in WWII, you're fucking crazy.

    I'm just saying you can't determine good or bad or right or wrong based on how many innocent civilians die in a war situation.

    If we are truly in a war against islamo-fasism, then unfortunately innocent civilians will have to die to save the world.

    If, on the other hand, neocons are making us go to war to make money and suppress the third world, then its a huge waste and people should be pissed.

    Unfortunately, no one really knows for sure whether its an unavoidable war with islamo-fascism, or a neocon stunt to control the world.

    I wish I had the answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by WH Press Sec. Tony Snow
    The President is opposed to (actually testing embryos before simply throwing them out), because the president is opposed to murder.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taymelo
    Wait. Throwing them out is not murder, but testing them before throwing them out is murder? WTF, George?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taymelo
    Shit, we dropped atomic bombs on thousands if not millions of innocent japanese people in WWII, to prevent nazi'ism, causing deformed children even today, and for many years to come there will be more and more deformed children, and childrens' children, as a result of our acts against a civilian population.
    Actually, there's been fairly limited evidence of pronounced generational genetic effects resulting from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings in humans. The big reproductive effect on survivors involved their not being able to reproduce at all, which limits the real-world sample size some.

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    Syndicate Emeritus, Site Co-Founder Taymelo's Avatar
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    I don't claim to be an expert, but my understanding is cancer/leukemia/deformities are a lot higher there than most other places.

    EDIT:

    Anyway, my point was this part:

    Quote Originally Posted by Taymelo
    If we are truly in a war against islamo-fasism, then unfortunately innocent civilians will have to die to save the world.

    If, on the other hand, neocons are making us go to war to make money and suppress the third world, then its a huge waste and people should be pissed.

    Unfortunately, no one really knows for sure whether its an unavoidable war with islamo-fascism, or a neocon stunt to control the world.

    I wish I had the answer.
    Quote Originally Posted by WH Press Sec. Tony Snow
    The President is opposed to (actually testing embryos before simply throwing them out), because the president is opposed to murder.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taymelo
    Wait. Throwing them out is not murder, but testing them before throwing them out is murder? WTF, George?

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    Yeah, the survivors have more leukemia and whatnot, to this day. I'm referring more to the "children and children's children" remark, though. The evidence of inherited problems in humans has been remarkably limited. Very recent research has shown some level of genetic mutation that would be passed on, but not at a level that results in gross genetic defects. It doesn't take much (relatively speaking) to cause overall sterility, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taymelo
    Listen.

    I'm not saying what's going on is Israel is right or wrong... but if you accept that Israel is only trying to do what is necessary to keep their people safe, and to stabilize the region and provide security and peace over the long haul, and if you accept that they are fighting a front on the globar war against islamo-fascism, then you're going to have to live with civilian deaths.

    Shit, we dropped atomic bombs on thousands if not millions of innocent japanese people in WWII, to prevent nazi'ism, causing deformed children even today, and for many years to come there will be more and more deformed children, and childrens' children, as a result of our acts against a civilian population.

    If you think what is happening in Lebanon is ANYTHING NEAR like what the US did to Japan in WWII, you're fucking crazy.
    There's no need to reach all the way back to WWII for a comparison. What Israel is doing in Lebanon is very similar to what we're doing in Iraq, just smaller in scale with fewer civilians killed.

    Fighting a pre-emptive war of choice to advance what you have defined as your security interests is what both countries are doing. Of course Israel has a much stronger case, with Hezbullah posing a direct threat right on their border stockpiling missiles and calling for the destruction of Israel.

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