Israel vs. Hezbollah

[Uncle Mxy]

[Taymelo]

I'm simply pointing out that I am not chopped liver.

[UberAlles]

Much like the Middle East Peace Process, I have derailed this thread.

[Uncle Mxy]

This is how loops form. Here's an interview with Shimon Peres:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080401387.html

Q: Is it true that you were the only person in the Israeli cabinet to raise objections to this operation?

A: After two weeks, I forgot everything. We are at war and have to be united. I'm not going to make an account of who was right and who was wrong.

Check your critical thinking at the door... it's war!

[UberAlles]

While Taymeelo is temporarily incapacitated, I will offer this.

HezBYAAAAAAAAAH!

[cruscott35]

Its too bad when any innocent civilian dies. However, it is unavoidable in military operations to root out islamic terrorists living within civilian areas.

Having said that, I don't believe for one second the stats about Hezbollah fighers vs. civilian deaths.

Hezbollah fighters don't wear uniforms, and hide within the civilian population. Moreover, when there is an Israeli bombing, many of the people counting the dead are themselves tied to Hezbollah, which has an agenda to manipulate the numbers for international support, and credibility as "players" in the middle east.

In other words, its a propaganda campaign by Hezbollah against Israel.

In their quest to recruit local pissed off middle eastern teenagers to be future radical islamist terrorists, they claim that Hezbollah has an army that can kill Israeli soldiers, that they are too smart for Israeli soldiers to find and kill them, and that Israel is only hitting poor innocent civilians, which doesn't bother them, because they hate arabs anyway.

I don't buy it.

J:

I agree that each bomb likely creates another terrorist, as does each US bomb/bullet in Iraq. I would distinguish between the two conflicts, however, by pointing out that Iraq was neither an immediate nor future threat to the US, while on the other hand Hezbollah not only fired on and engaged Israel, but also constitutes a real, daily threat to the future of Israel.

Unfortunately, civilians die in war. Unlike USA v. Iraq II, Israel is literally at war with its next door neighbors for its own survival.

So Israel has to kill civilians and unfortunately take a public relations hit with innocent lebanese people and their ancestors, like Anthony.

Every action has a reaction. You kill a terrorist, and hit a civilian, and make their son a terrorist.

I understand that... but you can't just sit there and allow your country to be invaded, so radical islamists can bath in your children's blood and push 100% of your people into the sea - - - can you???

I wouldn't.

Would you?

So many points to make...First off, the Hezbollah media control can do a good job of doctoring stats, but whatever stats the media spits out about Iraqi casualities are freaking Gospel, or Torah in this case???

Even though you kind of addressed this point, Arab civilians being killed by USA>>>>Arab civilians being killed by Jews???? Same thing buddy, whatever the reasons, you can't have issue with one, and not with the other, or in your case, you can't say "consequences in war" for one, and war crimes for the other.


Jewish enemies don't wear unis and hide with civilians but Iraqi insurgents do???


While you and I can argue until we are blue in the face about the reasons for war in Iraq (I don't intend to highjack your thread going over our differances), the leaders of our military (once again, being right, wrong, or indifferant) thought Iraq to be a threat, not only to us, but to their own people, we had to go in and deal with our threat, much like Isreal is doing with Hezbullah.

It's humorous to me how much you sound like a conservative on this issue, Tay, which makes sense because we are not the "Let's suck off Islamic terrorists because they hate America almost as much as we do" party.

Sorry you can't respond to this for at least another five days or so, and when you do, I'm sure you'll generate a five page look into the mind of Tay about it.

Side note, I've offered this up at WRH, and I will extend to you the same offer, because I respect you, in some aspect, and think you far too intelligent to be as liberal as you are, but if you want, I'm going to host the audiobook version of Ann Coulter's Godless, and you're welcome to a copy.

[cruscott35]

Yeah tay, I just started to hate Israel. I've never hated them before these actions. No, i've always thought they were a piece of shit nation that should have never existed where they do in the first place. They make all the trouble in the middle east. Its like a black man moving into a well known racist town in the south and taking one of the better houses.

You know everything. Your always right and everyone else who disagrees with you is always wrong. I'm so glad you can hold your self in such a high regard.

So what your saying is that its OK for the Israelis to kill those people because of their support of hezbollah? They have no where to go.

Look, I want what Israel supposedly wants. Hezbollah out. They should have been wiped out by the Reagen administration in the early 80's. The same way they should have gotten Osama under Billy boy.

But dont tell me its ok to kill hundreds of Lebanese people simply because of their support of Hezbollah. Its wrong and its not right.

Another thing, you blast Bush about the war in Iraq every time you get the chance. So why do you back up Israel? Huh? Why? Its the same fucking thing, different countries.

But then again, i'm the one who's misinformed simply because you have a different POV. I'm sorry for even challenging your wide spread knowledge. What the fuck was I thinking.

Welcome to the world of disagreeing with Tay...I honestly think he gets through life bullying people around in arguements using big words and sounding sure of himself...While, I don't necessarily agree with you on this one, Anthony, because as you pointed out, this IS the same thing as in Iraq, and I support that whole heartedly, I've got a feeling I'm going to some how end this by disagreeing with you and Tay, if that's even possible.

[Anthony]

To each his own I guess.

[Uncle Mxy]

Welcome to the world of disagreeing with Tay...I honestly think he gets through life bullying people around in arguements using big words and sounding sure of himself...While, I don't necessarily agree with you on this one, Anthony, because as you pointed out, this IS the same thing as in Iraq, and I support that whole heartedly, I've got a feeling I'm going to some how end this by disagreeing with you and Tay, if that's even possible.

If that's what you two really think, then I disagree with both of you.

"U.S. vs. Iraq" isn't the same thing as "Israel vs. Lebanon", except in a very broad sense -- they're both conflicts between parties that have clashed before, people on both sides die, guns and bombs are involved, etc. There's interrelationships between the two, of course, but there's far too many differences to call them "the same thing". Does Iraq border the U.S.? Where's the oil in Lebanon?

[cruscott35]

Like I said Mxy, it's hard for you and Tay to see because of our differances on the reasons for war in Iraq. If you assume that Iraq was a threat, and not over oil, which you and Tay will both NOT do, then you can see the similarites.

I really don't want to turn this into a debate about the Iraq war, which is why I prefaced everything I said by stating our differances in why we went to war there.