Granholm v. DeVos

[Fool]

My class got out early (Yom Kippur) and I actually got to hear most of it in the car ride home (I missed some of the middle getting dinner and was home before the closing speeches so I didn't hear those either).

From what I heard Devos did his best not to accuse Granholm of anything, not to make actual assertions (calling things "dissapointing" rather than "lies") and came off rather meek. He also threw out lines that were word for word, tone for tone, from his commercials. Granholm did her best to say CEO of Amway at the begining of every sentence, stumbled around when asked "Then why would things work differently this time?", and seemed the one better prepared for the debate (or at least the one more practiced at debates).

A couple things about the debate in general. Whoever was moderating did a good job, IMO, and maybe went a bit overboard as once or twice I thought the candidates were actually giving legit answers and he interrupted them to get straight yes or no's. Hate that the first question out of the gate was "Do you think your opponent is lying in their ads?"

[Uncle Mxy]

Here's the complete debate:

http://red-cedar.wkar.msu.edu:8080/r...rm?start=00:48

Here's independent poll results of how Michigan people think they both did in the debate:

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_arti...?storyid=62490

And here's the Disembodied Head of Dick DeVos:

http://devos.wordpress.com/

[bigdt87]

Granholm pretty much pwned him. Devos is a moron. He didnt answer 99 percent of the questions the mods threw at him. Its like sound goes through shards of broken glass and water and becomes all distorted and he doesnt know what to make of it so he just smiles and tries to look like a peoples man. Michigan doesnt need a boss running the state. Boss's arent the ones who care about getting the little man a job. There not going to understand the frusturation of not having a job and being on welfare with 4 kids.

BTW, anthony, fuck off with your "you wanna smoke pot, i want a job" bullshit.

[Glenn]

Here's the complete debate:

http://red-cedar.wkar.msu.edu:8080/r...rm?start=00:48

Here's independent poll results of how Michigan people think they both did in the debate:

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_arti...?storyid=62490

And here's the Disembodied Head of Dick DeVos:

http://devos.wordpress.com/

Mxy,

I find your links to be, well, disappointing.

Don't you think the people deserve better?

I also find the fact that I can't get "Secret Amway Man" out of my head now, well, disappointing.

[Glenn]

He's a bad man.

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michi...t=newsmichigan

Muhammad Ali endorses Granholm in Michigan governor's race

10/4/2006, 12:45 p.m. ET

By DAVID N. GOODMAN
The Associated Press

DETROIT (AP) — Boxing legend Muhammad Ali endorsed Gov. Jennifer Granholm for re-election on Wednesday, citing her efforts to overturn Michigan's ban on embryonic stem cell research.

Ali has Parkinson's disease, a condition that stem cell research advocates say might be treated or cured through the technique.

"She wants talented researchers and businesses around the world — who are working on cures for devastating and gut-wrenching diseases right now — to relocate here ... but she's been hindered in her efforts to attract them because our laws are too restrictive," Ali and his wife, Lonnie, said in a statement released by the Granholm campaign.

Republican gubernatorial candidate Dick DeVos has said he is against embryonic stem cell research, which opponents say destroys human life. DeVos said he supports research using adult stem cells.

Ali and Granholm were to have appeared together at a morning rally at a Detroit union hall, but his plane was grounded by stormy weather near his southwestern Michigan home.

But in a phone conversation with the Democratic governor carried live at the rally, Lonnie Ali said: "We believe in the governor and the agenda that she has for the state."

In her state of the state address in January, Granholm called on the Republican-led Legislature to allow embryonic stem cell research, and she has spoken repeatedly on the issue, particularly during her campaign against DeVos, an Amway heir from Grand Rapids.

DeVos spokesman John Truscott said Granholm has been "basically silent" when it comes to promoting the permitted forms of stem cell research.

"She hasn't taken a leadership role in moving forward research that's allowed by our laws ... whether it be policies or programs that move forward adult stem cell research," he said.

A Michigan Catholic Conference spokesman criticized efforts to legalize embryonic stem cell research, saying that would lead to "the cloning and the killing of human life."

"The fact that it's become such a political issue is sad," said conference Vice President Paul Long. There are about 2.25 million Roman Catholics among Michigan's 10 million residents.

[Glenn]

Most of the recent polls have Granny anywhere from a 7-8% ahead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...r_race-13.html

[Vinny]

This guy just looks like some kind of a shyster:

[bigdt87]

Most of the recent polls have Granny anywhere from a 7-8% ahead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...r_race-13.html

thank god

[Uncle Mxy]

http://devos.wordpress.com/2006/10/0...s-the-yankees/

[RegicideGreg]

I hate Devos' rat eyes