U.S. airstrike kills Al Qaeda leader, al-Zarqawi

[Uncle Mxy]

What is the terrorist terrorizing and how? How does the would-be torturer know they're torturing a terrorist? How would you prevent that from being abused? What would be the gain from it... wouldn't the terrorists simply babble what they thought you wanted to hear if you tortured the shit out of them?

Shaq was terrorizing Ben Wallace on the boards! Anticipating Shaq's terrorism, the four-time DPOY took matters into his own hands, pulling a machete out of his 'fro. He methodically sliced Shaq's feet to the knees in tiny little slivers, amidst the squeal of Shaq's man-cries, demonstrating a level of offensive performance the likes of which we've never seen from Ben. "Now he's down to size! Wonder how long he'll be on the injured reserve list?", Ben told reporters at the post-game.

[Gecko]

getting OT on the OT, but who here would support using torture on terrorrists? since they obviously abide by no formal treaties or conventions, why should we?

tahoe's post is why im bringing this up.

By any means necessary and as long as it's done by our CIA in secret. Well maybe public knowledge, not sure.

It's just my opinion and I am sure that viewpoint is in the minority (here).

[Gecko]

What is the terrorist terrorizing and how? How does the would-be torturer know they're torturing a terrorist? How would you prevent that from being abused? What would be the gain from it... wouldn't the terrorists simply babble what they thought you wanted to hear if you tortured the shit out of them?

Shaw was terrorizing Ben Wallace on the boards! Anticipating Shag's terrorism, the four-time DPOY took matters into his own hands, pulling a machete out of his 'fro. He methodically sliced Shag's feet to the knees in tiny little slivers, amid st the squeal of Shag's man-cries, demonstrating a level of offensive performance the likes of which we've never seen from Ben. "Now he's down to size! Wonder how long he'll be on the injured reserve list?", Ben told reporters at the post-game.

Break a few eggs to make an omelet. You'll find no mercy or sympathy coming from me. I would hope that they would be "known" terrorists.

[Fekz]

I don't believe he ever existed in the first place.

One day he's fat, then the next day he looks like subzero off mortal kombat. One day he needs a mask to cut off someone's head (and gets positively ID'd through it), next day he's wearing new balance shoes and acting like rambo. Fuck that shit.

[Uncle Mxy]

And if they're not "known" terrorists? What if they're only "suspected"? Do you wire their 'nads to electrodes and cauterize assholes with a white-hot poker and hot peppers without proof beyond a reasonable doubt? After you slit their eyelids, serve them some soylent green remains of their compatriots, and run through a Abu Ghraib-style mock execution or three, exactly what have you've accomplished? Especially if they're operating in loose cells, what sort of knowledge do you get that you wouldn't have after already breaking up the cell -- that they hate America? Or do we do this just for retaliation, for sadistic pleasure romps?

"Do we torture" sounds like movie-plot bullshit to me.

[Tahoe]

The shit that went on at Abu Ghraib was pretty fucking stupid and demented, imo. But when you catch a piece of snakes ass like this fuck, who beheaded innocent peeps, I feel torture is completely acceptable for saving lives of Iraqis or US citizens.

I also am willing to give up some of my freedoms if it helps the country fight the war on terror. I could care less if they want to listen to my phone calls.

Just trying to add some ballance.

[Uncle Mxy]

Does torturing really save lives? How can torture be applied to yield truly productive information in the real world and not in a movie? How does torture balance with the martyrdom and the overall escalation of violence this leads to? I betcha Abu Ghraib's indirectly led to lots of deaths that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Unless you're talking propaganda warfare, torture (as distinct from the -threat- of torture) hasn't been reported to be productive.

[-NoQuarter-]

Could've saved us alot of money and just had the fucker go hunting with Cheaney.

[Tahoe]

Does torturing really save lives? How can torture be applied to yield truly productive information in the real world and not in a movie? How does torture balance with the martyrdom and the overall escalation of violence this leads to? I betcha Abu Ghraib's indirectly led to lots of deaths that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Unless you're talking propaganda warfare, torture (as distinct from the -threat- of torture) hasn't been reported to be productive.

For me, when you catch the bad guy, you want all the info he has. If you ask him and he tells you, go check it out and see if what he is telling you is true. If it isn't true, raise the stakes a little, or quite a little bit.

And although I said it, it doesn't really matter to me if we save lives or not if you caught someone like AZ. If he feels like he about to meet his maker, so be it. If he feels excruciating pain, thats even better. He made choices in life that will come back to haunt him. Something all humans should understand.

Abu-Ghraib is for another thread if you ask me. That isn't the use of torture that I'm trying to discuss. That was some stupid shit. And it didn't help one bit.

[DennyMcLain]

Does torturing really save lives? How can torture be applied to yield truly productive information in the real world and not in a movie? How does torture balance with the martyrdom and the overall escalation of violence this leads to? I betcha Abu Ghraib's indirectly led to lots of deaths that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Unless you're talking propaganda warfare, torture (as distinct from the -threat- of torture) hasn't been reported to be productive.

Abu Ghraib was pre-planned to show the Iraqis that we punish our own when it comes to the kind of horrific acts Sadaam pulled off every day.

Guantamato Bay is all about the "re-education" and "re-insertion" of terrorists, who will destroy from within.

Iraq is all about confining al Quaeda to a designated space, rather than searching for them around the globe.

It's all really quite simple.

Right, gecko?