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    Gay marriage, should it be outlawed?

    This is a private poll, if you want to share how you voted, feel free to do so in a regular post.

    Let's try and have an intelligent discussion and keep the inflammatory slurs and homophobic comments out of this.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060605/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

    Gay marriage ban short of votes in Senate

    By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer

    President Bush and congressional Republicans are aiming the political spotlight this week on efforts to ban gay marriage, with events at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue — all for a constitutional amendment with scant chance of passage but wide appeal among social conservatives.

    "Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society," Bush said in his weekly radio address. "Government, by recognizing and protecting marriage, serves the interests of all."

    The president was to make further remarks Monday in favor of the amendment as the Senate opened three days of debate. Neither chamber, though, is likely to pass the amendment by the two-thirds majority required to send it to the states — three quarters of which would then have to approve it.

    Many Republicans support the measure because they say traditional marriage strengthens society; others don't but concede the reality of election-year politics.

    "Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined."

    But Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against it on the floor but allowed it to survive his panel in part to give the Republicans the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Specter has chosen a different battle with the Bush administration this week — a hearing Tuesday on the ways the FBI spies on journalists who publish classified information.

    As that hearing gets under way, debate on the marriage amendment will enter its second day on the Senate floor. All but one of the Senate Democrats — the exception is Ben Nelson of Nebraska — oppose the measure and, with moderate Republicans, are expected to block an up-or-down vote, killing the measure for the year.

    Democrats say the amendment is a divisive bow to religious conservatives, and point out that it conflicts with the GOP's opposition to big government interference.

    "A vote for this amendment is a vote for bigotry pure and simple," said Democratic Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record) of Massachusetts, where the state Supreme Court legalized gay marriages in 2003.

    Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco, which in 2004 began issuing marriage licenses to gay couples, on Monday denounced Bush's move as predictable and "stale rhetoric" aimed at rallying conservatives for this year's midterm elections.

    "It's politics. It's pandering and it's placating a core constituency, the evangelicals," Newsom said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

    Fueled by election-year politics, the gay marriage issue is the most volatile Congress will consider as it returns from a weeklong Memorial Day recess.

    Other legislation has better chances for success, particularly a record-size emergency spending bill to continue U.S. military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and provide hurricane relief along the Gulf Coast.

    The Pentagon says it needs its money — about $66 billion — right away or delays could begin to affect the conduct of the war in Iraq. The Senate added new relief for farmers and other aid to the package, swelling its cost to more than $100 billion. Bush is demanding that the price tag stick within his $92.2 billion request, plus $2.3 billion to combat avian flu.

    The House is expected to consider a $32 billion spending bill that would give the Homeland Security Department $1.8 billion more in 2007 than this year. It also is likely to send Bush a Senate-approved bill to raise indecency fines tenfold, to $325,000 per violation, for television and radio broadcasters.

    An election-year debate on the constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman was never in doubt, however doomed the legislation. As Republicans geared up to defend their majorities in the House and Senate, conservative groups earlier this year let them know that they were dissatisfied with the GOP's efforts on several social issues, including gay marriage.

    Parliamentary maneuvers were likely to sink the amendment for the year. Senate procedure requires two days of debate before the 100-member Senate decides — 60 votes are required — whether to consider the amendment on an up-or-down vote.
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    I'm for gay marriage.

    I really don't care for marriage in the first place. It's become a big joke with all these divorces coming out the fly and shit. I doubt I'll ever get married since I don't believe a ring and a cheesy ceremony should determine ones love for another. Not to mention I don't want to deal with a bunch of drama during a divorce. I want to be able to just walk away.

    The straights have already shitted all over marriage and I'm sure the gays can't do any worse to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Archdiocese
    I'm for it.

    I really don't care for marriage in the first place. It's become a big joke with all these divorces coming out the fly and shit. I doubt I'll ever get married since I don't believe a ring and a cheesy ceremony should determine ones love for another. Not to mention I don't want to deal with a bunch of drama during a divorce. I want to be able to just walk away.

    The straights have already shitted all over marriage and I'm sure the gays can't do any worse to it.
    Just to clarify, it looks like you are "against it" (the ban) even though you actually posted that you are "for it".

    I know what you meant, but I thought others might get confused.

    Personally, I'm also against the ban. Who are we to impose "our" morals on other Americans? I'm pretty sure that being gay has nothing to do with how adept your parenting skills are, whether you pay your taxes, or whether you are an upstanding citizen.

    It's really upsetting when the government tries to interfere with private citizens just trying to live their lives. They are not out there killing or hurting anyone, yet they get treated like pariahs.

    Trying to protect people from themselves is such an outdated mindset, IMO. I feel the same way about the legalization of casino gambling.

    For those that think a ban like this is going to make people stop being gay, I've got bad news for you. It seems like the evangelicals are just looking for a way to rain on someone else's happiness.
    Last edited by Glenn; 06-05-2006 at 01:41 PM.
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    I fixed it. I thought the question was whether or not you supported gay marriage.

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    I dont care what 2 guys or 2 girls do behind closed doors
    or if they really "love" each other or whatever

    Marriage by definition is between a man and a woman

    so thats the way it should be

    however if the bum buddies want to become a "union" or whatever you want to call it and have a ceremony and exchange O-rings and get the benefits they so desire then go right ahead

    but Gay Marriage is an oxymoron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraserburn
    I dont care what 2 guys or 2 girls do behind closed doors
    or if they really "love" each other or whatever

    Marriage by definition is between a man and a woman

    so thats the way it should be

    however if the bum buddies want to become a "union" or whatever you want to call it and have a ceremony and exchange O-rings and get the benefits they so desire then go right ahead

    but Gay Marriage is an oxymoron
    When you say "by definition" doesn't it depend on where you look for that definition?

    Quote Originally Posted by dictionary.com

    marriage

    n 1: the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce); "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union" [syn: matrimony, union, spousal relationship, wedlock] 2: two people who are married to each other; "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love" [syn: married couple, man and wife] 3: the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony; "their marriage was conducted in the chapel" [syn: wedding, marriage ceremony] 4: a close and intimate union; "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas"
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    Outlawing gay marriage is retarded and unconstitutional IMO. homos should have the right to be homos and marry as such. The only times they've ever irked me is when they compare themselves to minority races and when they tried to march in the st patricks day parade in Boston on some gay pride takeover bs. Outside of that who gives a shit? I mean why on earth is tax money being put forth to stop Bob Fudgepacker from marrying Jim Assmunch? As if thats even important. Marriage doesnt "belong" to anybody but the two who get married. All this sacred talk like marriage is a group thing is one of the many problems with american society. Its like these dumbasses think that if they ban marriages for gays it'll cut down on the gay population or take away the advertising "if you go straight you can get married" advantage of being straight from them. Like a muthafucka will say "I gave up being gay because of the lack of government benefits stemming from me not being able to marry." ...

    Oddly enough i get just as annoyed as the next cat by sissy acting mofos and i hate that will and grace show. but at the same time i dont care. thats a sign of no life to spend your life trying to stop gay marriages. same muthafucka wont do shit to take down currupt oil companies, currupt cops, poverty, shady health care companies, or anything else that matters way more than this garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutz Gatsu
    I mean why on earth is tax money being put forth to stop Bob Fudgepacker from marrying Jim Assmunch?
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    Shit, yes I'm for a ban. I voted for the wrong one though. I thought the queston was saying are you for gay marriage!


    Oh well. I'm against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    Shit, yes I'm for a ban. I voted for the wrong one though. I thought the queston was saying are you for gay marriage!

    Oh well. I'm against it.
    There's some irony in there somewhere.
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