United 93: is it fucked up to see this?

[realistic]

what happens if i see the movie? does my version get replaced with some watered down, cheap hollywood rendition? no thank you.

If James Cameron were directing, then I wouldn't even consider seeing it. The last thing I want is Jack and Rose making out in the bathroom before charging the cockpit.

[realistic]

I also agree that everything can't be overly rah rah, but in the same breath you have to be careful not come off as humanizing the terrorists or making them look sympathetic.

Before anyone jumps down my throat about the terrorists being human, you are right about that in the biological sense but they do not think like you or me. This is not coming from something I read in a book or seen on tv but from real anti-terrorist training. They are programmed be machine like, it is a mission not suicide.

I'm a believer in absolute truth and natural law. I don't think what those hijackers did was honorable under any condition... seen from any perspective... spoken in any voice. I don't believe you have to be an American jingoist to hold that opinion. So I'm not too concerned about humanizing the terrrorists, even though I suppose Spielbergh would call that "balance".

[JS]

Real you and I are on the same wave length as are probably several thousand others, but we both know some right wing group would have the movie killed if it were balanced.

I am a person who subscribes to the school of thought that there are 3 sides to every story, yours, theirs and the truth. We all precieve things differently so what you and I see as balance others see as anti american. I am not saying that tone of films should be curbed to avoid controversy, however the fact is it happens. So I guess if the message is that heroes did bringing down a plane and that message comes across then the film did it's job. That is not to say that I agree with that method of story telling or desire to see that.

[DennyMcLain]

I have zero interest in seeing this film. And i have zero interest in Oliver Stone's "World Trade Center" coming out in the fall.

Watching the destruction live, speaking to my dad on the phone as the first tower collapsed, I've never heard my dad speak with such hate. It was surreal, and quite frankly those images are more than enough for a limetime, thank you very much.

[Pharaoh]

I am a person who subscribes to the school of thought that there are 3 sides to every story, yours, theirs and the truth. We all precieve things differently so what you and I see as balance others see as anti american.

I guarantee this movie flops big time in Oz.

America is not the most popular nation in my neck of the woods and many people within my circle believe the USA got what it deserved.

"Chickens coming home to roost" is what my buddy said. (we'd watched Malcolm X the day before)

I don't agree, but his opinion is rather popular here.

[Pharaoh]

"There is nothing in our book, the Koran, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. That’s a good religion."
-- "Message to the Grass Roots," speech, Nov. 1963, Detroit (published in Malcolm X Speaks, ch. 1, 1965).

A little "balance" for the thread.

[realistic]

"There is nothing in our book, the Koran, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. That’s a good religion."
-- "Message to the Grass Roots," speech, Nov. 1963, Detroit (published in Malcolm X Speaks, ch. 1, 1965).

I think it's a decent precept, so long as you send the right person to the cemetary, and not, say, 2,900 randoms.

[-NoQuarter-]

Think they'll get into any of this stuff?

9/11 Loose Change

[realistic]

Short, excellent story that sums up and illuminates much of our discussion. A nice nightcap for anyone who participated.

http://www.slate.com/id/2140690/nav/tap1/


And this gem from The Onion.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/47730

[Pharaoh]

Hey, I'm not saying I agree with their beliefs or that killing anyone is a good thing to do.

Just providing some food for thought here, that's it.