Still not sure if Hollinger is a fuckin moron yet?

**H1Man** · 01-11-2006 03:47 AM

Assume for a second that there is nothing wrong with his rating. The thing that most suprises me is this:

Phoenix, a team known for offense, is #1 in defense.

Detroit, a team known for defense, is #1 in offense.

**MoTown** · 01-11-2006 09:23 AM

Hollinger is nothing more than a nerdy math major who was hired by ESPN to do something different. He really does not understand the game of basketball. If he did, he wouldn't make comments like "stats don't lie." He's not a moron, he's a giant nerd. Plain and simple.

Coming up with a teams offense and defense by simply taking the possesions per game is just plain silly. There are so many more intangibles than that. Offensive rebounding, turnovers created by the DEFENSE, fouls based on slashing, etc. are all things that he fails to take into account. How much of the Pistons great offense comes directly from the defense?

Basically, he is creating a watered down version of shooting percentage here. He is just being a nerd like he has done all of his life. It's ESPN that's stupid by keeping him on the payroll.

**b-diddy** · 01-11-2006 12:39 PM

he's not rating offense/defense, he's rating offense/defense efficiency.

so detroit doesnt have the best offense, but they do score the most points per possession.

phoenix doesnt have the 2nd best defense, its that teams dont score efficiently against them. i'd be interested to see where they ranked last year.

how do you guys feel about pts/shot? waist of time too?

**Varsity** · 01-11-2006 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by the wrath of diddy

LMAO. That's hilarious.

Hollinger really does look at the stats and efficiencies too much, but like Jethro was saying, I do like that fact that he's willing to go out there and say things that no one else was saying at the time. Last year, I remember he was the first to say that the Piston's bench would cost them a championship, while no one really paid him any mind. As we all know now, he was right. In this article, while I'm not buying that Phoenix wins because of defense, the fact that opponents shoot poorly says they are doing something right. Teams shot lights on them last year.

**shags** · 01-11-2006 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by the wrath of diddy

:lol:

**Taymelo** · 01-11-2006 08:56 PM

First, let the record reflect that Diddy stole that shit from me.

Second, I can't believe I'm sticking up for Hollinger even a tiny bit... but all he really is doing is showing another angle in which to look at the teams. I don't think he's saying that his numbers tell the whole story, just that its another way to look at the teams and how they stack up.

**-NoQuarter-** · 01-11-2006 09:29 PM

For those even slightly defending Hollinger, I repeat: