Michigan NOT Elite?

[Baker]

Straight from the mouth of Vanderbilt's chancellor. He thinks we are elite.

Well, case closed! Vanderbilt's chancellor said it. :laughing5:


He said, "history of college football." Nobody is arguing against their place in the history of college football. Only their current status among the best is in question.

[Moodini31]

Straight from the mouth of Vanderbilt's chancellor. He thinks we are elite.

Well, case closed! Vanderbilt's chancellor said it. :laughing5:


He said, "history of college football." Nobody is arguing against their place in the history of college football. Only their current status among the best is in question.

Whose opinion do you respect more? The Chancellor of a Division 1 NCAA institution or random poster DrTre11 on a message board? :dontknow:

[JackTalkThai]

Straight from the mouth of Vanderbilt's chancellor. He thinks we are elite.

Well, case closed! Vanderbilt's chancellor said it. :laughing5:


He said, "history of college football." Nobody is arguing against their place in the history of college football. Only their current status among the best is in question.

Whose opinion do you respect more? The Chancellor of a Division 1 NCAA institution or random poster DrTre11 on a message board? :dontknow:

And why exactly are you placing weight in either person's corner?

Unless one of the media sources comes out with an "elite" ranking for college football like they did with college basketball a few months back, why don't you just make your mind up for yourself and employ facts to back it up instead of quoting the Chancellor of fucking Vanderbilt? :lol:

Has this discussion honestly been reduced to "let's see who can find a quote saying that the school I support is elite"? Wow is that pathetic.

[JickBoy34]

It was just a funny quote to put in the 'Is Michigan Elite' thread. He states they are ELITE. Just a little laugh..get over it.

[Baker]

Whose opinion do you respect more? The Chancellor of a Division 1 NCAA institution or random poster DrTre11 on a message board?

If you are a Commodore, isn't everyone elite to you? haha

[Jethro34]

I keep hearing this "every recruiting class of Izzo's since 96 has been to a final four" crap arguing for State elite-ness, leaving out the "so what happens during the off years doesn't matter" part that's an obvious end to the sentence. So it doesn't matter that every Lloyd Carr class (with the obvious exception of this past year's true freshmen - so far) has won the big ten, the best conference in football?

[SpartyNick]

I keep hearing this "every recruiting class of Izzo's since 96 has been to a final four" crap arguing for State elite-ness, leaving out the "so what happens during the off years doesn't matter" part that's an obvious end to the sentence. So it doesn't matter that every Lloyd Carr class (with the obvious exception of this past year's true freshmen - so far) has won the big ten, the best conference in football?

I understand where the Michigan football program has been consistent. Big Ten championships are excellent accomplishments and I believe that Michigan has more conference crowns in the last ten years (football) than MSU basketball has Final Fours (not sure about that). However, a Final Four in basketball is better than a conference championship in basketball or football, IMHO.

[Jethro34]

Well, Nick, you're a newcomer to a lot of the Elite conversation, and you seem to attempt objectivity in your arguments. We've established that there is no good way to compare basketball and football since one has a tourney and the other doesn't, so you can't reference final fours, for example, in a football argument.

Here's the deal - would you make a claim that State hoops is elite without giving Wolverine football the same credit?

[SpartyNick]

Well, Nick, you're a newcomer to a lot of the Elite conversation, and you seem to attempt objectivity in your arguments. We've established that there is no good way to compare basketball and football since one has a tourney and the other doesn't, so you can't reference final fours, for example, in a football argument.

Here's the deal - would you make a claim that State hoops is elite without giving Wolverine football the same credit?

No. But I would say that Michigan is starting to walk a fine line towards a degree of national insignificance they are not used to. MSU's Final Four appearance last year helped discontinue their journey down that same fine line. Michigan needs a BCS bowl WIN badly, especially considering the talent they recruit to that school.

[Baker]

No. But I would say that Michigan is starting to walk a fine line towards a degree of national insignificance they are not used to. MSU's Final Four appearance last year helped discontinue their journey down that same fine line. Michigan needs a BCS bowl WIN badly, especially considering the talent they recruit to that school.

Good Post.