official cy young awaiting thread (now featuring MVP TALK)

[DrRay11]

[b-diddy]

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So wrong but not man enuf to admit it. Homer.

i dont know where you got this "criteria" from. i've never heard mvp defined in any other way than player who is most valuable.

it in no way bars pitchers from winning mvp. even if your list is legit, offensive production is part of the puzzle. so is defense, disposition, and loyalty.

its obviously a laundry list of things that consider (a list i presume is long forgotten). you making it all about one word is ridiculous. "loyalty", how'd arod win??? how could louis gonzalez win???? do you know the first thing about juan gonzalez's disposition? dude was an asshole.

the letter and spirit of the rule say pitchers are eligible.

the article i posted earlier pretty much summed it up. baseball TOLD voters to recluse them selves (read: dont vote) if they wouldnt consider voting a pitcher for mvp.

cy young = for pitchers. mvp = for everyone. its that simple. dont know how this conversation has lasted this long. you got NOTHING.

[Vinny]

But....but...the criteria!

[Glenn]

He's got anger, at least.

[Tahoe]

i dont know where you got this "criteria" from. i've never heard mvp defined in any other way than player who is most valuable.

it in no way bars pitchers from winning mvp. even if your list is legit, offensive production is part of the puzzle. so is defense, disposition, and loyalty.

its obviously a laundry list of things that consider (a list i presume is long forgotten). you making it all about one word is ridiculous. "loyalty", how'd arod win??? how could louis gonzalez win???? do you know the first thing about juan gonzalez's disposition? dude was an asshole.

the letter and spirit of the rule say pitchers are eligible.

the article i posted earlier pretty much summed it up. baseball TOLD voters to recluse them selves (read: dont vote) if they wouldnt consider voting a pitcher for mvp.

cy young = for pitchers. mvp = for everyone. its that simple. dont know how this conversation has lasted this long. you got NOTHING.

lol

[b-diddy]

so we basically agree that the rules allow pitchers to win the mvp, that pitchers have won it in the past, and that nothing has changed them to prevent them from winning it in the future.

correct any part of that statement that is incorrect.

because to go from that to "verlander wont win because pitchers arent mvps" seems to be where the entire forum is confused by your (im sure entirely logical) argument.

ill hang up and listen!

[Glenn]

Bill Simmons
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...0/passing-buck

[Glenn]

NY Daily News

We've changed our minds - Justin Verlander should be AL MVP.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba..._a.html?page=0

[Tahoe]

so we basically agree that the rules allow pitchers to win the mvp, that pitchers have won it in the past, and that nothing has changed them to prevent them from winning it in the future.

correct any part of that statement that is incorrect.

because to go from that to "verlander wont win because pitchers arent mvps" seems to be where the entire forum is confused by your (im sure entirely logical) argument.

ill hang up and listen!

you done been el lowelled son. follow the criteria for that.

[Tahoe]

NY Daily News



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba..._a.html?page=0

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