official cy young awaiting thread (now featuring MVP TALK)

[Glenn]

I think that the main concern now for JV is that he splits too many MVP votes with Fister.

[Timone]

JV gets regular season MVP, Fister World Series MVP. I think that's fair.

[WTFchris]

It is just saying that both offense and defense should be considered, not that both need to be good. If a player is exceptional in either regard it can outweigh the other one.

Tahoe - are you saying Clemens should not have been MVP?

[b-diddy]

tahoe is saying that he is right and everyone else is wrong. about what? no man can say.

[DE]

The key to me that ABSOLUTELY ERADICATES the "he doesn't play every day" argument is that a pitcher on Verlander's level is DIRECTLY INVOLVED in WAY MORE plays than any position player. And it's not like "hey, all pitchers do that", it takes a special pitcher who pitches that many at bats and POSITIVELY affects that many situations to make it clear. In conclusion, the CRITERIA clearly make Verlander the only legitimate choice.

While I think Mxy's argument is very valid; this is the one that wins out for me. Value can be relative but overall value can be determined.

[b-diddy]

eatshit@tahoe

[mercury]

IMHO, local folks will be disappointed with the biased big town votes.
Cy Young would be a gr8 achievement.
N.E. way you look at it JV dominated... no problem with the stupid ass results.

[Uncle Mxy]

[b-diddy]

there is nothing worse than sabermetrics nerd. i really hate these people.

if we go to war with another country, i hope that country is filled with sabermetric nerds. i'd gladly enlist.

[geerussell]

Sunday's start didn't make it any easier to argue against him.