Is it Time for Leyland to Go?

[micknugget]

I think that Maggs was not a good re-signing and I think that we will be lucky to get 80 games out of him IF he can actually still hit the ball.

The talent issue has a bunch to do with Leyland. I am sure that he has a big say on what players stay or go. There are too many vets that are under performing and they are probably all endorsed by Leyland. I also have to go back to his coaching choices, pitching management and rookie management. If his rookie management skills were even half way decent, this team might be much more talented. With the salaries/squads that we have had, this team should have been better but Leyland has cost us a half dozens games alone with his bad decisions.

[Vinny]

I still think you're overestimating the quality of young talent that's come up and the quality of some of the veterans he's had. Outside of Granderson, Jackson and Sizemore, none of these guys were projected to make any kind of an impact on a big league roster and thus I don't find it a shock that they haven't. Granderson and Jackson both exceeded expectations under Leyland, Sizemore I agree as being botched. What you see as under-performing vets I see as old and washed up filler that nobody else really wanted. I mean come on....Inge? Everett? Laird? Guillen? These aren't players that can be key parts of perennial contenders. You might catch lightning in a bottle here or there but beyond that....

[b-diddy]

honestly, micknugget, i think you need to lighten up a bit. i remember last year you were griping that we werent trading off our old talent like mags, damon, and bonderman. we would have gotten nothing or very close to it.

if you compare the tigers to the twins, we dont develop young talent well. but if you compare them to most other teams, i think we stack up pretty well.

i have my gripes with leyland, dombrowski, and moreso the staff, but i think we get pretty good output for what we put in. we arent the yankees. we spent alot of money, but a ton of that was dead weight. we are a high end mid market team. personally, as someone who was a tad young to enjoy the hayday of the 80's, these last 5 years have been glorious for me, even with all the disappointment these tigers gave as well.

[micknugget]

honestly, micknugget, i think you need to lighten up a bit. i remember last year you were griping that we werent trading off our old talent like mags, damon, and bonderman. we would have gotten nothing or very close to it.

if you compare the tigers to the twins, we dont develop young talent well. but if you compare them to most other teams, i think we stack up pretty well.

i have my gripes with leyland, dombrowski, and moreso the staff, but i think we get pretty good output for what we put in. we arent the yankees. we spent alot of money, but a ton of that was dead weight. we are a high end mid market team. personally, as someone who was a tad young to enjoy the hayday of the 80's, these last 5 years have been glorious for me, even with all the disappointment these tigers gave as well.

I don't think that i've been overly harsh. I was pretty unhappy with Leyland and his keeping Chuck Hernandez around as pitching coach (until even Jim could not longer defend him) but didn't call for him to be fired. I just keep seeing mistake after mistake by Leyland and at some point he subject needs to be discussed. I think there are better choices than Leyland but we aren't going to do horribly with him.

Oh. and I still wish we would have traded some of our vets, even for draft picks or even fair prospects. Bondo and Damon didn't come back and Maggs shouldn't have. Anything we could have gotten would have been a bonus.

[micknugget]

Why is Maggs even on this team let alone in the line-up? He's hitting like .170 with zero power and can"t field. WTF Leyland?

[Tahoe]

YES! Its time for him to go.

[Tahoe]

YES! GO!

[micknugget]

I really think it's time for Leyland to go now....and Dombrowski. Then dump Maggs and Inge (probably get something crappy for Inge). Trade away Benoit and Valverde for value. Maybe even offer up Verlander for one of those mega packages and start from there.

[Timone]

I think I've pretty much lost interest in the team already. I feel like a bad fan.

[Glenn]

I think I've pretty much lost interest in the team already. I feel like a bad fan.

I had firsties.