SHITSTORM v4.0 (IT'S FINALLY OVER)

[micknugget]

:-/ I'm worried that Joe Dumars created a monster. And that would be over privileged fans. His success has lead them to overrate our players trade value, underrate our previous success, exponentially multiply their disappointment to pitch fork hate, and dip their armchairs in gold with diamonds sprinkled all over them.

With that said his last two coaching hires have flopped completely, he couldn't have gambled on CV and BG at a worse time, He's gambled on Maxiell's development to the point of passing on the guy who turned out to be the player Maxiell should have in Dajuan Blair, um fuck Affalo thats so exaggerated i want to piss on anyone enraged by that move, and His commitment to getting as many big bodies as possible on the roster has been drowned in trying to accommodate the NBA's faster softer pace with more guards to chuck it up. I'm not pleased with that and I expected some of this to blow up in his face as a "hard lesson" in conforming to this retarded league. Unfortunately the owner's dead and there's a freeze on most moves including HC firing imo. Did he facilitate his problems? yes, no GM is exempt in that. Is it as chaotic as it is because of him completely at this juncture? Under the current circumstances of ownership no. In a situation of freedom Kuester is fired a long time ago and this is quite possibly a completely different team record wise and personnel wise I personally think. Would they win less or more? Who knows for sure but I do believe the lack of moves are not all on him THIS SEASON. And for the two previous years I didn't like the moves made, but nothing i'd want him gone over just yet.

I don't think it's an issue of over privileged fans at all. That's BS. I don't overestimate our players value (IMO) and I understand the ownership situation. This is all on Joe's incompetence. His free agent signings (Nazr, Kwame, BG, CV, Wilcox) were ALL questionable or just plain bad. As soon as they happened most of the fans responded WTF? We always assumed that there was a master plan but apparently there wasn't. Joe's drafts have been mediocre, his extensions a disaster. He has consistently said one thing and done the opposite (no more complacency, hiring an experienced coach, no trade limitations, etc.). His coaching choices were dreadful which was only made worse by the current revolt. Joe could have traded a disgruntled Prince who certainly won't be back. he probably could have even swung a better deal than what Dallas offered if he wasn't so dead set against trading him. I understand the Rip move not happening because of the ownership situation so I can't put that on him.

You say that you haven't seen anything to get Joe fired. Other than no-brainers (drafting Monroe and signing T-mac for the minimum) name something that Joe has done right in the past 3, 4, hell even 5 seasons (that wasn't done to correct a previous fuck up). Anything? No? That should be cause for dismissal right there.

[Black Dynamite]

I don't think it's an issue of over privileged fans at all. That's BS.-----> I don't overestimate our players value (IMO) and I understand the ownership situation. .

And tell when is the last time you were humbly honest about anything you thought? You are bitter the whole way and now you're acting like you just started being this way. You wanted the guy fired when we had a winning record, at least start bullshitting with someone who doesn't know this about you.

[micknugget]

And tell when is the last time you were humbly honest about anything you thought? You are bitter the whole way and now you're acting like you just started being this way. You wanted the guy fired when we had a winning record, at least start bullshitting with someone who doesn't know this about you.

Why should I be humble about this when I was right? I did want Joe replaced long ago. I saw Joe's handling of the team as an issue some 4 years ago. If you recall, I saw early Sheed's negative effect on the team and wanted Sheed gone. I saw his poor attitude spreading through the team. I was right. I complained about Joe's signing of Nazr, Kwame, and CV plus I thought we overpaid for BG. I was right. I was probably the first guy on this board to be pissed off about the Afflalo trade. I was really disappointed in Joe's coaching picks, especially Kuester after Joe proclaimed that he would get "an experienced coach" after the Curry debacle. Again I was right.

You can call me an armchair GM. You can call me a bullshitter. You can call me a horrible fan. The truth, whether you admit it or not, is that I have been pretty damn accurate in my calls. I was the first guy calling for Joe's head as I saw things spiraling in the wrong direction. Now most of the board agrees with me. So call me names or whatever you want. The truth speaks for itself and although not always popular, I usually know what the fuck i'm talking about.

[Black Dynamite]

You can call me an armchair GM. You can call me a bullshitter. You can call me a horrible fan. The truth, whether you admit it or not, is that I have been pretty damn accurate in my calls. I was the first guy calling for Joe's head as I saw things spiraling in the wrong direction. Now most of the board agrees with me. So call me names or whatever you want. The truth speaks for itself and although not always popular, I usually know what the fuck i'm talking about.

5 years ago you were preaching the same nonsense and was wrong. You never changed it so it finally hit. But regardless only thing I'm calling you directly to you is attention whore and a whiny bitch from day 1. I make my statements in general and they transcend even this message board, you run to hop on a cross and pretend to be a crucified Jesus Christ. Relax your retarded ass for once in your life. You're not right about anything, you're just bitching at your convenience. I mean damn you're asking fixed rhetorical questions, then applauding yourself for the answers(or lack there of in some cases) you came up with. That's fucking insane.

Get back on topic here and bitch/moan about the shitstorm.

[micknugget]

5 years ago you were preaching the same nonsense and was wrong. You never changed it so it finally hit. But regardless only thing I'm calling you directly to you is attention whore and a whiny bitch from day 1. I make my statements in general and they transcend even this message board, you run to hop on a cross and pretend to be a crucified Jesus Christ. Relax your retarded ass for once in your life. You're not right about anything, you're just bitching at your convenience. I mean damn you're asking fixed rhetorical questions, then applauding yourself for the answers(or lack there of in some cases) you came up with. That's fucking insane.

Get back on topic here and bitch/moan about the shitstorm.

You are a hypocrite and full of shit. You call me out specifically but then claim that " I make my statements in general". You say that "5 years ago you were preaching the same nonsense and was wrong. You never changed it so it finally hit.". That means that i wasn't wrong but then again "You're not right about anything." You really bring the WTF? to this board.

[Black Dynamite]

You say that you haven't seen anything to get Joe fired. Other than no-brainers (drafting Monroe and signing T-mac for the minimum) name something that Joe has done right in the past 3, 4, hell even 5 seasons (that wasn't done to correct a previous fuck up). Anything? No? That should be cause for dismissal right there.

Well everything he does is a no brainer. So duh, he obviously fails in your world Rhetorical questions and all. lol