Health Care

[Uncle Mxy]

The biggest devil tends to be unexpected pork barrel costs.

I'd love a reasonably-unbiased cost analysis of every bill prior to voting, because not only would that specify some amount of time where someone _could_ read it, but that some amount of reading by someone was actually done and critical thinking of some sort performed.

This isn't particular to healthcare at all.

[Tahoe]

So the way to make it look like it doesn't cost much over 10 years, Obama collects money for 5 years without giving out benis. So collect 10 years of taxes and only give out benis for 5. LMAO

[Uncle Mxy]

How much of that is up-front costs?

Here's info on the latest CBO estimates on the costs of the public option bills going through the House. These turn out to be relatively cheaper and more comprehensive than the non-public option bills porkulating in the Senate.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cap...l?hpid=topnews

[DE]

Damn it Mxy! Will you stop being rational, cogent and citing sources!

[Tahoe]

How much of that is up-front costs?

Here's info on the latest CBO estimates on the costs of the public option bills going through the House. These turn out to be relatively cheaper and more comprehensive than the non-public option bills porkulating in the Senate.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cap...l?hpid=topnews

Its such a mismush of shit that the CBO themselves say they can't be sure of the cost.

But anyone who thinks we're going to have a Gov't run health care system and it WON'T ADD TO THE BUDGET is friggin cra....votes for Obama and is a sheep.

[Tahoe]

Damn it Mxy! Will you stop being rational, cogent and citing sources!

Citing sources? Just stop watching Obama's State run media and you'll get your sources.

[Glenn]

Psst, Tahoe...are the black helicopters still following you?

[Tahoe]

You radical lefties need to get with mainstream America. Polls are now 39 for 52 against. Some are even worse but I through them out cuz I'm like that.

[DE]

See Mxy, now this is what I'm talking about. Broad sweeping generalizations unsubstantiated by actual facts and throwing out shaky statistics without actually citing sources. You could learn a thing or two from Tahoe.

[Uncle Mxy]

There was a germ of a specific piece of information -- some poll, 39 for and 52 against, maybe involves healthcare. My Google-fu leads me to some Quinnipiac poll from early August regarding Obama's handling of health care (as distinct from a poll that asks what people actually WANT), and things have gotten somewhat better since Obama came back from vacation.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1357

Yeah, I could go for broad sweeping crap that came out of my ass, but I'm not in politics.