Getting Chandler

[Zekyl]

Somedumb Cunt had mentioned the idea of Kwame and Max for Chandler and Wright. NO may still be desperate to dump salary. Kwame would be expiring and Max is still a significant step down in salary from Chandler.

Why not try to trade Rip for expirings, instead of Tay as somedumb had proposed (if any team thinks he's the piece they're missing)? We'd get our C in the first deal, instead of for Rip like we all assume, and get cap room to continue the improvement next season. Rip to the Clips for Camby? I don't think the Clips do that now that they've dealt Randolph, especially since they already have Eric Gordon as their SG, but there may be another option out there. Either way, we're left with:

Stuckey/Bynum
Gordon/Afflalo
Tay/Daye/Wright
V/Wright
Chandler/??

Rip would preferably be moved for some bench help at C

[Zekyl]

There's still the possibility, although very unlikely, that Chandler opts out after this season as well. I doubt he's going to leave 12 million on the table to go elsewhere, but its possible.

Guys we could trade Rip for that are expiring and give us frontcourt help:
Brendan Haywood
Etan Thomas
Marcus Camby
Jermaine O'Neal
Kurt Thomas
Ben Wallace

[Pharaoh]

Um, Phoenix acquired Ben Wallace for salary cap reasons. Do you think they're gonna trade his nice contract to us for Rip's extended deal?

And in your first post you mention that a Camby trade is unlikely - yet you included him in your second post.

Miami are not gonna deal O'Neal for Rip, cause they have Wade as their go to guard and are looking to get into the 2010 Free Agent market. Rip's deal doesn't allow them to do that.

Kurt Thomas just got traded to the Bucks and we all know the kind of salary issues they have. Plus they just drafted a guard to go along with Redd and their own free agent guard (Sessions) plus they still have Bell IIRC. Why do they want Rip?

The Washington deal might have been plausible before the Draft but now that they just traded for Mike Miller (SF/SG) and Randy Foye (PG/SG) I think they are all out of minutes for a SG. Plus I don't think they have enough quality bigs that they'd give up 2 of their more serviceable ones for a dude they don't need

Does that kill your second post? Yeah - pretty much. Sorry, dude

But if it's any help I doubt we deal Rip's $10 mil deal for expirings. The storm that would create (after dealing Chanucey for Iverson's expiring) could be huge.

Look for a trade where we get back a long contract (3 years or more) or if Joe has to settle he'd probably go for Chandler.

[Zekyl]

I really just threw out every player that is a C with an expiring contract that I could think of.

Ben Wallace was in green because he was a joke. He's not ever going to be a Piston again.

[Pharaoh]

A few people have mentioned sending Rip to New York for David Lee. He obviously wouldn't be an expiring deal for us but...

NY wanna have enough cash to get 2 MAX free agents. It's unlikely they get there because of Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries. So if they're only gonna have 1 MAX contract to spend wouldn't they wanna get a quality player in there now, someone who can carry the scoring load and pace them every night?

And it's close to home for Rip too. Plus plying with Rip could be an attractive thing for a free agent like Bosh, who wouldn't be all that impressed by Curry and whoever else the Knicks have got now. Bosh would wanna know they have someone, anyone that can help him out. And Rip is Mr. Reliable.

For us Lee isn't the best option (where's the D?) but if we have the opportunity to add a playing like Lee for $8 mil per then you gotta do it.

Or there's still the Brand idea. IF ARNIE APPROVED lol

[Joe Asberry]

Maxiell is a full BYC player, and his trade value is not 5 mil, its just 2.5 if i did understand coon's explanation...

73. What is "Base Year Compensation?" How does base year compensation affect trades? Why does it exist?

Base year compensation (BYC) prevents another salary cap loophole. Without BYC, a team over the salary cap that wants to trade a player, but can't because of the Traded Player exception (which says teams can't take back more than 125% of the salary they trade away), could just sign the player to a new contract that fits within the desired range, then do the trade. BYC says "if you re-sign a player and give him a big raise, then for a period of time his trade value will be lower than his actual salary."

BYC defines the salary that's used to compare players for compliance under the Traded Player exception (see question number 68 for more information about the Traded Player exception). Usually the salary used for comparison is the player's actual salary. But under either of the following circumstances, a different salary is used when comparing salaries for trading purposes:

* The team is over the salary cap, used the Larry Bird or Early Bird exception to re-sign the player, and the player received a raise greater than 20% (unless it's the minimum salary).
* The team is over the salary cap, it extended the player's rookie scale contract, and the player received a raise greater than 20%.

If either of the above apply, then the player is considered a base year player. A player remains a base year player for six months, or until June 30, whichever comes later. When trading a base year player, the salary used for comparison is the player's previous salary, or 50% of the first-year salary in his new contract, whichever is greater.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73

we have to give up our capspace to get chandler...