The torture thing

[Zip Goshboots]

Torture to me is not feeding prisoners for weeks, working them nearly to death, beatings, dislocating shoulders...you know the stuff we faced in Viet Nam (or when Clinton had detainees sent to other countries for cough cough, interrogations).

Pouring water over their heads with 2 doctors present isn't torture to me. It's an interrogation technique. Deal with it.

Wal Mart Vietnam Vet.

[Zip Goshboots]

Listen Tahoe. You think puring water over a guy's head isn't torture? Waterboarding isn't torture? Let me tell you a little story.

I've been through some rough times. Real hard shit that I don't often like to talk about, unless someone asks me.

So one time, it's late at night, and my wife and I are sitting around ignoring each other, and I'm all "Hey, let's get into the hot tub." Then she says, "OK." So we drag the cover off, and jump in. I'm all, "HEY WHAT THE FUCK!" And I look at the temperature gauge, and instead of it being 105, it's all the way down to 101. Immediately I start blabbing. "Hey, I fucked your best friend a couple weeks ago. I jerk off to porn. I wear your panties when you go to work. I really don't have the artheritis and I'm fully capable of mowing the lawn. I don't really have a condition that causes me to sleep til noon on weekdays. I don't really like church. I have been to prison. You can't cook worth a shit. I hate Renoir. That one dress DOES make you look fat. That shot of penicilin was NOT for the flu. I DO want to watch you and your best friend eat each other out."

Holy shit, man. Next thing I know, I have to get a part-time job and mow the lawn. I almost died after two weeks of that shit.

Let me tell you, brother: if you don't think pouring cold water over a guy's head is torture, then you are nothing but a wannabe badass who just doesn't understand how tough life can be.

[Tahoe]

I give up, man. You win!

[Pharaoh]

Can we put #262 on the front page?

[Glenn]

Can we put #262 on the front page?

DONE.

[Pharaoh]

Awesome.

[geerussell]

Detainees claim to have fabricated statements.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney may have lost some ground Monday in the debate over the utility of waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques after the Obama administration released previously classified statements from admitted and alleged Al Qaeda members who said they made up information to stop what they viewed as torture.

“I be under questioning so many statement which been some of them I make up stories just location UBL [Osama bin Laden]. Where is he? I don’t know,” Al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said during a March 10, 2007 hearing at Guantanamo Bay, according to a transcript the government released Monday.

“Then he torture me,” Mohammed continued, according to the transcript of a U.S. military hearing held to determine whether a prisoner was truly an enemy combatant. “Then I said yes, he is in this area, or this is Al Qaeda, which I don't him. I said no, they torture me. Does he know you? I say don't (know) him but how come he know you. I told him I'm senior man. Many people they know me which I don't them."

The transcripts released Monday in response to a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union contained more information than was earlier versions of the same documents. All of the versions still contain some deletions, which sometimes make it difficult to follow precisely what the detainees are reported to have said, and the comments were translated from Arabic by a military-supplied translator.

While Mohammed asserted he had fabricated information about bin Laden’s location, the operative now known as KSM did not dispute that he was a high-level leader of Al Qaeda, according to the transcript. He admitted to involvement in dozens of operations, including the Sept. 11 attacks, personally decapitating Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Pakistan, and attempted plots to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago and the Empire State Building in New York.

Another alleged Al Qaeda leader, Abu Zubaydah, suggested at a Combatant Status Review Tribunal session later in March 2007 that he made up details of some operations after being tortures.

“They say, ‘This in your diary,’ they say, ‘See you want to make operation against America.’ I say no, the idea is different. They say no, torturing, torturing, I say, ‘Okay, I do, I was decide to make operation,'” Abu Zubaydah said. He insisted that some anti-American plots recorded in his diary were just ideas and that he never intended to target civilians.

According to memos President Barack Obama ordered released earlier this year, KSM was waterboarded 183 times by CIA personnel and Abu Zubaydah was subjected to the technique 90 times.

Cheney has called on Obama to declassify reports Cheney says will prove that the so-called enhanced interrogation program produced useful intelligence that save American lives.

[WTFchris]

Pussies. They get a little water poured on their heads and make up shit?

[Big Swami]

Pussies. They get a little water poured on their heads and make up shit?

No, but now that everyone knows that "special interrogation techniques" were used, everyone who ever confessed to anything can now go around claiming it was coerced. Thanks DOJ!

[Tahoe]

LOL @ 267... The Messiahs Admin believes AQ before the CIA.

Nanci and BO baby.