The U.S. economy

[Black Dynamite]

Ron Paul must have good ideas if he was nominated by the Repubics. They prefer more controllable candidates.

[Uncle Mxy]

He actually warned about this and no one listened. He really is the only person that comes to mind that did warn us about this....And that has been something I've been bitching about.

A number of folks were warning about much of this. In late 2004, there were all kinds of red lights flashing around Fannie and Freddie. Republicans were soundly re-elected, and Bush talked the talk of using political capital to get stuff done in Washington. The problem was simply never fixed. The problem with the political anatomy here wasn't foresight, but backbone.

Ron Paul's economic policies make a fair amount of sense in a theoretical purist "if I reinvent the world from scratch" fashion. There are some good gems to be had -- the Fed needs a serious overhaul. Unfortunately, politicians going for higher office tend to be restrained in real expressions of economic philosophy, instead presenting their views in the context of deltas (lipstick) to the current economic structures (pig).

[Tahoe]

A number of folks were warning about much of this. In late 2004, there were all kinds of red lights flashing around Fannie and Freddie. Republicans were soundly re-elected, and Bush talked the talk of using political capital to get stuff done in Washington. The problem was simply never fixed. The problem with the political anatomy here wasn't foresight, but backbone.

Ron Paul's economic policies make a fair amount of sense in a theoretical purist "if I reinvent the world from scratch" fashion. There are some good gems to be had -- the Fed needs a serious overhaul. Unfortunately, politicians going for higher office tend to be restrained in real expressions of economic philosophy, instead presenting their views in the context of deltas (lipstick) to the current economic structures (pig).

No time like the present! Kind of joking. Why not though? The one problem I have with much of his stuff is that his 'stuff' kind of makes us isolationists, right? Or am I missing something?

I just don't think we can isolate ourselves cuz we are the largest, most wealthy nation. Peeps want to come here, other peeps wish us great harm. Libs don't get that second part, imo. They think we are just disliked cuz of Bush. We are number one in most of the worlds eyes and peeps want to drag us down. But back on the subject. Our economy is so intertwined with the world that if we did do some of Pauls stuff, we could spiral down really quick.

[Big Swami]

That's interesting, Tahoe. I almost kind of want the economic crisis to hit us hard and marginalize us, so that if we want to reinvent the way we manage our economy, we can do it without a bunch of international investors crying and pouting about it. Kind of like letting your drunk brother sit in the tank for one night so he can think about how to get his life back in order without his loser friends getting in the way.

[DennyMcLain]

Huh!
Yeah, were comin back then with another bombtrack
Think ya know what its all about
Huh!
Hey yo, so check this out
Yeah!
Know your enemy!

Come on!

Born with insight and a raised fist
A witness to the slit wrist, thats with
As we move into 92
Still in a room without a view
Ya got to know
Ya got to know
That when I say go, go, go
Amp up and amplify
Defy
Im a brother with a furious mind
Action must be taken
We dont need the key
Well break in

Something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
cause Ill rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against em

Fist in ya face, in the place
And Ill drop the style clearly
Know your enemy...know your enemy!

Yeah!

Hey yo, and dick with this...uggh!
Word is born
Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the d the e the f the I the a the n the c the e
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What? the land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy?

Now something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
cause Ill rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against em

Now action must be taken
We dont need the key
Well break in

Ive got no patience now
So sick of complacence now
Ive got no patience now
So sick of complacence now
Sick of sick of sick of sick of you
Time has come to pay...
Know your enemy!

Come on!
Yes I know my enemies
Theyre the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are american dreams

[Glenn]

This damn thing might actually not pass (it's losing right now).

The market has been down as much as 700 pts today, currently down about 500.

[Glenn]

Anybody have a good grasp on the short and long term effects of this not passing?

I've heard 3-4 million lost jobs.

I think it's obvious why Bush is pushing so hard for this to pass.

[Glenn]

-- $700 billion bailout bill fails in House. Dow down by nearly 600 points.

It lost 228-205

[Big Swami]

This is pretty much the worst day I've had in ages.

[Fool]

Swam, I've got a couch you could use if it comes to that. I'm only half kidding about that. We've even got room for your Buddha statue.