For the record, how many picks do the Lions have and who should the Lions take with their first rounder? A.J. Hawk? Ferguson? Someone not a WR?
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For the record, how many picks do the Lions have and who should the Lions take with their first rounder? A.J. Hawk? Ferguson? Someone not a WR?
Here's the draft breakdown I did.
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In terms of who they will pick, it all depends on their spot. If they could climb to 3rd (unlikely, but somewhat possible), I think they take Ferguson. If they are in the 4-7 range, I think they take the DE from NCstate. If they beat NO and drop down to the 10-12 range I'm not sure who they take.
Anything but WR or RB is good really.
I really hope Vince Young comes out.
NYJ, NO, Oakland and Baltimore are probably the only teams in the top 10, besides the Lions, who could go QB with their pick.
Somebody could trade up with one of the other teams to take Leinart/Young, of course.
The Lions just HAVE to lose out the last two games, it's really imperative.
They REALLY have to lose to the Saints, so that being the case, they'll probably win.
I'll take Leinart or Young, I don't care which one.
All this assumes that we don't sign or trade for a vet QB.
Aaron Brooks anyone? Griese? Brees? Rivers? Favre? (lol)
I think the Jets will go for Lienart. If they lose, the SF/Houston winner will pass them on SOS. Bush will go at #1 and Lienart to NYJ I think.
I could see NO taking Young with Brooks on the way out. But if they beat us they might not have a chance at him. Oakland would also snag Young too I think. Remember SOS can change. If GB/Minny/Chicago lose, it weakens our SOS and improves our pick.
Kitna. The Bengals have no need for him anymore. Brees if he's available and affordable.
As for picks, the Lions really need D'Brickashaw Ferguson to fall to them. He's someone who can contribute right away, and if they can get the offensive line stable, things will start to fall into place.
I'd like to see Joey back (we can't replace 2 QB's) to compete. Worst case he's a good backup.
My ideal would be a trade for Brees, but he'd probably cost us a first rounder (a future would be fine, but we need this year's for an OT). If not, maybe a trade for Griese (they are sticking with Simms). If either happened, Joey would have to take a pay cut. I'm hoping we could move Fernado Bryant to ease the salary cap hit we'd take by trading for a QB with a higher salary.
Backup plans would be Kitna, Brooks (if the price isn't high).
Who cares? It's a lost cause. No matter who we draft, we will suck.
I don't see the Leo's taking a rookie QB. Millen needs to WIN NOW, and drafting another rook makes this tough to do. Sign a Kitna type, trade for Brees if you can get him for Rogers/Picks. Draft a fucking offensive lineman that isn't a pussy. I'm a Michigan fan, but Backus absolutely sucks as a pro. We need a new LT and hopefully that will be Brick.
What we need is a bunch of guys who love to play the game and will always give it their all and appreciate being able to play, not a bunch of guys who make a mockery of the game.
(also see Pistons)
I hope they keep Backus and move him to LG. Draft Ferguson and cut Demulling
LT - Ferguson
LG - Backus
C - Riola
RG - Woody
RT - Butler
Backup - Kosier
That isn't too bad.
Knowing the Lions, they will win the last two games and pick 14th. If we stay where we are, I want the DE from Boston College, Mathias Kiwanukia (sp?)
Perhaps the better question is not who we want the Lions to draft, but who Millen will draft. That is a perplexing question. What position do you think he wants, at least? Offense, defense? We know we need an offensive lineman, but he'll probably skip that opportunity. As much as I didn't expect us to take Williams last year, somehow I wasn't surprised when it happened. More like a "you've got to be kidding me." I hope I don't have that same feeling again.
He'll take the best non WR-RB available IMO. If that's Brickshaw, Hawk, Williams (i think that is the top DE), whatever. Any of those guys would be an immediate help.
O line for sure...too many good QB's comming available. Pretty good depth elsware. We have a good linebacking corps, if they can stay healthy.
PS....Good to see y'all again.
Welcome Stone Cold. Thin Ice. PMs. All that good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by stonecolddano
This year's O-Line class appears to be deep enough that Detroit could pull something similar to San Fran last year, getting Baas in the 2nd round and Adam Snyder (Go Ducks) in the 3rd round. Both currently start for that team. If that happens, Mario Williams or Kiwanuka are the guys. Williams especially is touted as a physical freak, and Kiwanuka I believe used to play basketball.
That's what I've hear too. Williams, OT, LB would be a nice first 3 rounds. I still think we need an eventual replacement to Holmes this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipNelsonFan
Understandable, but while you could have Mario Williams, there's a chance A.J. Hawk could fall to the Lions. Who do you pick between those two?Quote:
Originally Posted by WTFchris
With the exception of Raiola, Woody, and Butler, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by WTFchris
Not too shabby.
And yes, Woody belongs on the sucky list, probably more than Butler.
I just wish the Lions would take a cue from the Pistons, and instead of picking up big names who are well past their prime, for no reason other than that they are big names (see: Woody, Pollard, Garcia, etc.), they start looking at guys who are approx. 25 years old, and just starting to break out and make a name for themselves, see CB, Rip & Ben.
God damn. Joe D. is only what, 20 miles away from Ford Field, and they can't see what he's doing in Auburn Hills and HOW HE'S DOING IT?!?!?!?!?!?
This draft will be key for both the Ravens and the Buccaneers. Both are my teams.
The Ravens need a QB, depending on if Boller keeps up how he played against GB(very doubtful). We also need a DT. Gregg, Kemoeatu, and Edwards are getting pounded all over the field. I'm pulluing for Haloti Ngata.
The Buccaneers need offensive line help. They also need to draft a QB. I'm not sold on any of our 3 QB's. I'm pulling for Brady Quinn, but I think he'll stay at Notre Dame for another year though.
Welcome Kdawg. We've been waiting for you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kdawg32086
Ngata will make some team cream themselves if he falls to the second round.
Ngata would be taken with the Ravens' first rounder. Right now, I think it's gonna be somewhere between 5-7. Hopefully he lasts. He's the missing piece on the defensive side.
For a lot of teams, a 340-pound DT that can bench press a PT Cruiser 20 times is a needed missing piece. I wouldn't mind seeing him on the Lions.
I think they have bigger concerns than DT. Rogers and Big Daddy look pretty strong up the middle. I think they need o-line help, qb help, and a lock down corner opposite bly.
As long as we don't draft a RB, WR, DL, or LB in the first round then I'm a happy man.
Offensive line is a MUST! Butler is good at pass protection(but not against the run) and is still a project), Woody is good, Backus is ass, Raiola is Southern ass, and I don't even know who play the other guard spot. We need some major help there.
QB can be found in free agency. There'll be some good guys like Brooks, Kitna and Brees. I wouldn't even be that mad if we kept Harrington at a lower price.
I will shoot someone if we draft a QB this time around even if it's Leinhart or Young. If we draft them, then next season is just another throw away season.Quote:
Originally Posted by G.D.
And Vince Young is not first round material.
He is?Quote:
Originally Posted by George Dubya Bush
Woody was 26 going on 27 when we signed him...I still think that if we have a good year, you will see the real Woody.Quote:
I just wish the Lions would take a cue from the Pistons, and instead of picking up big names who are well past their prime, for no reason other than that they are big names (see: Woody, Pollard, Garcia, etc.), they start looking at guys who are approx. 25 years old
Just a couple of things to think about.
If the Lions draft a QB it better not be until late in the draft. As someone said, if we draft a QB in the first round, we are rebuilding.
I am not a fan of Young's. Someone said that if Young was half of Micheal Vick he would be a great QB. That is kind of wrong because half of Vick is McMike. Young would better served playing WR in the NFL. He would be scary good, if he can catch the ball. He plays in a crap conference. He has never had to try and read a D....he just throws to someone or runs, no reading of D is needed. BTW I hate his throwing motion and think he is going to have huge problems. Young to me is a little more atheltic version of Andre Ware and we all know how that ended up.
Secondly, the Lions biggest needs are OT, DE, LB, CB, vet WR, OG, QB, TE, S, DT.
The Lions biggest problem since Millen has taken over is coaching. We have had absolute horrible coaching who does not match his scheme to his personal. I personally could see Backus coming back and doing fine with the right scheme and an upgrade at LG (Hutch could be had. Sea might not be able to afford Shaun and Hutch both).
I want the next coach to come in and do what Leyland did with Dmitri. Tell Woody if he wants to play next year, lost another 20-30 pounds. If Woody can get down to 325-330, he would be a monster at guard again.
I think the Lions will be picking around 10 and if Joey Thomas of Wisconsin comes out, I would love to see them get him. He has a mean streak to bookend with Butler is going to be good. I then want the Lions to address the MLB role. Holmes has 1 more year before he is done. Lehman needs to take over for Davis. Who could not tackle Refrigerator Perry.
Agree or disagree, if the Lions take a QB or RB in the 1st round. I wont be watching them next year. I will be taking a break from the Lions.
Art
Win or lose, we always fuck things up somehow.
Good call. Young is a fantastic athlete, but not a pocket passer. His delivery is slightly sidearmed, a habit which must be corrected if he is to pass over the taller, more athletic NFL D lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Dubya Bush
Now, I'm a USC homer, and I like Leinart, but if Brady Quinn decides to add his name, look for him to go higher than Matt. In just one year with Charlie Weiss, he's made an expotential leap in performance -- and Weiss is employing a watered down pro set O. O Coordinaters all over the NFL would love to get their hands on this fella.
Bush will go first. He's simply the most versatile player in the draft, and can fill numerous roles (kick off and punt returns, single back, dump pass option).
Leinart will go top five, probably four since SF and Texas already have their QB's, and they're not going to blow a top selection on a back-up a la San Diego.
Also look for Jerome Harrison from Wassu. Dude ran for 1900 yards in a top conference. He's smallish, but backs slightly south of six feet have had a history of owning NFL D's.
I think the Big 10 ramblers are overrated (sorry), but Michael Robinson of PSU might make the first round on his athleticism alone -- just like how Matt Jones made it.
Vince Young MUST have an outstanding Rose Bowl to make a First Round spot. Otherwise, he will drop to Third. His little crybaby bitch job after the Heisman did him no favors, either.
As for Detroit, I think their picks will depend on who stays as head coach. If, say, somebody like Mike Martz comes on board, they'll go for more speed and neglect the D. If Jauron stays, the opposite might probably occur.
Okay....now where's JS to rip me a new one???
Mike Martz will not be the next head coach of the Lions.
Lions right now will pick from 6-14 depending on next week, cannot get a higher pick and cannot get a lower pick.
Vince Young will go in the top 10 if he comes out this year, no matter what he does in the Rose Bowl. Vince Young is 1st round material. He has potential and teams draft on Potential alone. I can see Green taking Young in Arizona and that would be a great place for Young to go. I personally think he is better off at WR, but I still think Vick would be better off as a WR.
Quick can anyone name me one running QB who is going to make the playoffs? All the top teams this year and in most years past have pocket QBs as their QB, sure you will get a decent scrambler, but not anyone like Cunningham or Vick, which is the main reason I am not sold on Young. He plays in a horrible conference and will get hurt if he tries to run ala Vick.
As far as ND goes...Quinn is not as accurate as he needs to be. I have my doubts about him. He played a god awful schedule. I mean other than Michigan who was playing without its best RB, best OL, Breaston was injured so forth, but yet barely beat Michigan and Quinn was not very good against that Michigan D. They lost to a pretty bad MSU team. Sure they took USC to the waning moments, but I think this USC team is overrated. I mean ifyou listen to ESPN....if Jesus was QB and he had his 12 disciples playing against USC, USC would win by 40 points. I mean for christ sakes, USC has won only 1 outright championship and this year's team is not as good as last year's team.
See how good UT and USC are when they play each other. At least UT has played a team with a good D in OSU....I am still waiting for USC to play a team with a respectable D. Neither USC or UT go undefeated in the Big 10 or SEC.
Art
I would just love it if the Lions could get Jimmy Williams and Darryl Tapp
I am not so sure Reggie Bush will go first, especially if the Texans have the 1st pick. They already have Domanick Davis and they just signed him to an extension too. I think they will either trade down for multiple picks or draft Ferguson. They have too many holes on their roster (not to mention a good RB) to justify drafting Bush.
I personally think that Bush is going to the 49ers. They drafted their "franchise" QB last year who also happens to be a teammate of Bush in highschool.
Also keep in mind that there are going to be an awful lot of good RB's in FA this year (Ahman Green, Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James, DeShaun Foster, Jamal Lewis, Michael Bennett, Najeh Davenport) and that could play a role in the draft.
Also Pittsburgh WILL draft Lendale White, assuming he is still on the board when they pick. Bettis is probably going to retire and Duce Staley hasn't been able to stay healthy. So I think they will go after White to pair him with Willie Parker.
Leinart won't make it past the Saints. They're done with Brooks and Bouman isn't the answer. They have Adrian McPherson, but if they have a chance at Leinart they'll take him and figure things out later. McPherson will evetually switch positions if he really wants to play.
I don't remember who Tapp is, but if the Lions keep winning like they have been, Williams might be a Lion. CB is looking like one deep position this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by theMUHMEshow
God knows they need a compitent corner opposite Dre Bly.
I would prefer a DE who can rush the passer over another CB.
OT/DE. A good rushing DE would make any CB look better. Rogers requires a double team and Cody looks like a keeper. Thus if we can get a speed rusher on the end, he could have 10 sacks as a rookie.
Art
Tapp is from Va Tech. The guy is an animal with an incredible motor. If you watch their bowl game against Louisville make sure you check him out. #55 I have a feeling they might be able to get him early second round. I would love to see them grab Williams with the first then grab tapp with the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipNelsonFan
I think Williams will be a better corner than Bly. He has the size to beat up on receivers plus he has enough speed to stay with them. If you watch any of his game this year he does everything for Va Tech. The guy is an amazing talent. He will be a slower more physical version of the best corner in the world...DEANGELO HALL
That is really a horribly un-educated statement. WTF are you basing this on? He has sick athleticism, and a cannon for an arm. He has already proven that he is not a fluke QB by making big time throws. If Matt Jones can get into the 1st on pure athleticism, Vince Young, who shows as much if not more, is an absolute lock for top 10. If you want to put some money where your ignorance is, make the wager and I'll take it in a second.Quote:
Vince Young MUST have an outstanding Rose Bowl to make a First Round spot. Otherwise, he will drop to Third.