Since all we have left is fantasy, who would you prefer?
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Since all we have left is fantasy, who would you prefer?
I case anyone cares...
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Amar'e Career Stats
Age: 26
Points: 21.0
Rebounds: 9.0
Assists: 1.4
Blocks: 1.5
TOs: 2.6
FG: .540
FT: .755
3FG: .192
Games: 432
Mins: 34:12
PF: 3.4
Bosh Career Stats
Age: 25 (on 3/24/09)
Points: 19.4
Rebounds: 9.0
Assists: 2.1
Blocks: 1.2
TOs: 2.2
FG: .488
FT: .793
3FG: .307
Hair: Horrible
Games: 413
Mins: 37:06
PF: 2.7
Bosh any day of the week and twice on sundays
They're pretty even, IMO, but I'll side with Bosh on account of the microfracture.
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Amar'e
6'10"
249 lbs.
Bosh
6'10"
230 lbs.
Not even close.Quote:
Hair: Horrible
I'll side with Bosh, but not because Gl'enn did. I'm my own man.
Anybody know if either of these two drink G2?
That could sway me.
Bosh any day of the week for the following reasons:
1. Bosh didn't have major knee surgery.
2. Bosh isn't as much of a whiner as Stoudemire. He seems like a Tayshaun type player but with more passion.
3. Better defender
4. Bosh's offensive game is more adapted to not having a superstar pg. What I mean is that Bosh can create for himself more than Stoudemire can.
5. Bosh is athletic but has a more developed game both on offense and defense. Whereas Stoudemire relies more heavily on his athleticism.
I know that Stoudemire's offensive game is growing and he is starting to nail his jumper, but I like Bosh better.
They are pretty even. Also as much as people rag on Stoudy he's probably a better defender in the post that Bosh imo.
I'd say Stoudy(not 100 percent sure i'd take him over bosh healthy, but at the moment yea), but you can't go wrong with either if they are healthy. IMO Stoudemire is a smarter player, settles for the jump shot alot less often(my one gripe about Bosh), can run the floor and score in the half court, has more experience.
Now because of Stoudy's injury history, Bosh pulls out the edge overall.
Bosh sort of reminds me of a younger Dice.
1.) but he did sprain his knee...lol..nevertheless i agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by umichjenks
2.) Umm Stoudy wants to win and since Toronto has been losing Bosh has let his frustration get him to speak out about not being a raptor. I think neither guy is a legit "whiner" in the sense of being a distraction.
3.)no, he's not. At least not easily. If anything they are even as guys who do better as weak side shot blockers.
4.)Weak excuse that doesnt apply to 2008 Stoudy. Dude scores in the post, from the perimeter, one on one, and in the break. He did against us and does against everyone else. Bosh has more post moves but Stoudy is just as effective on offense.
5.) Wait Bosh is more athletic but Stoudemire relies more on his Athleticism? WTF???!! Again you are thinking of a stoudemire from awhile back. And if all this athleticism bullshit were true his points woulda went down severely(I'll take 21 ppg) as would his rebounding since he isn't the leaper he was pre microfracture surgery("though he's no slouch as a leaper). I think like Glenn said both guys are fairly even, and to write Stoudemire off as one dimensional is ignorant imo. Because he hasn't been the past two years.
I do think, from all that I have read/processed, that Bosh would be alright being option 1a, while Stoudemire is coming across like he wants to be THE MAN.
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Originally Posted by Gl'enn
It's going to sound cliche, but I don't think it's about the money at all for him. The money's going to be about the same whether Bosh is in NY or fucking Oklahoma City.
I just get the impression that Bosh is more willing to be a "complementary star" than Amar'e. I mean, Amar'e's got that right now and he's not happy since he's not the focal point of the team.
Bosh IS the focal point and he wants out to go to a better situation.
Bullshit, if the money is the same, the best chance to win takes priority, but if NYC was offering way more, best your ass money comes first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
I think you're missing my point. A max deal from any team besides Toronto is going to be the same from team to team, so it's not about NY offering MORE, they can't.
I do think winning matters to him, more than it does to Amar'e, IMO.
Amar'e seems to be saying "I want to be the man", from what I have heard.
The fact that Bosh is willing to leave Toronto (who can pay him more than any other team) demonstrates that he's not just about the cash.
Something tells me that Amar'e wants to go elsewhere to boost his numbers for that next contract.
Doesn't mean I wouldn't get him if I was Joe.
Players make way more in NY than they do anywhere else. The endoresement deals are as much as their salaries for the superstars. Not to mention if they win anything.
Personally, I think we go after Amare regardless. Worst comes to worse, he can be an asset to get Bosh if we wish. If Bosh actually gets to free agency, we offer him the max even if we got Amare. I think we got enough cash to do that, even if our bench sucks. Who gives a shit at that point though, as we would be in the finals with that lineup.
And he's already "The Man" for Toronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
Don't try and be a hero AmareQuote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
Exactly, and that is not making him happy. He wants to be with a winning organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
or he could be another Grant Hill to orlando guy with no heart to be a leader but wants leader's pay. Just saying.
I've always liked Ama're better, I don't really have any reasonsing behind it, but I've just never been a huge Bosh fan.
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Originally Posted by Codename V
4. No way Stoudemire is just as effective as Bosh on offense. I'm not saying Stoudemire is one dimensional and I even said his jumper has improved in my original post. I'm just saying Bosh's jumper is so much better than Amare's with more range as well. Good point on Bosh having more post moves. I think Stoudemire is disgusting attacking the rim which he does better than Bosh. I just think Bosh can create for himself better because of his superior jumper and better post game. I think if Bosh was on the Suns with that run and gun offense he would be putting up 28 and 11 a game. I think they are equal rebounders, but I just like Bosh more. I think Stoudemire is just as effective as Bosh if he is in the right system. BUT, I was saying Bosh is more effective based on his game and how he would fit in with our team.
5. Also, I didn't say that Bosh was more athletic than Amare. I said he was athletic, period. I said Amare relies more on his athleticism versus his skill set. I think Bosh uses his bball skills more than his athleticism.
If we get Bosh or Stoudemire, I am stoked either way. The thing that will make/break that pick up or trade is who we have in the front court next to him. If we get Bosh we need a low post center next to him so it will free up the floor. If we get Stoudemire we need more of a jump shooting center that will keep the lane clear for Stoudemire to work on offense.
I'd rather have Bosh for the post moves. We've got guys that can attack the basket (nowhere near as good as Amare of course). What we don't have is a guy we can throw it into the post to. Yes, we have Sheed, but he's not consistent and would probably be gone with either of them here. Bosh will get other guys easier shots (when teams double down on him). Amare doesn't get other players easier baskets (just himself).
I would definitely give up anyone besides Stuckey/RIP/Tay to get either right now. I'd rather have Amare now that think we'll get Bosh later.
Trade they were discussing on the radio at lunch that is possible but would never happen:
AI/Sheed/Valter for Amare/Shaq/Barnes
The contracts work, the Suns get their expiring contracts so they can go out and be big players and we get Amare, a backup for Tay, and Shaq, who we can use this year and potentially use as a huge trade chip next year (he's expiring next year, no?)
When Shaq's contract expires, we go after Bosh with that money and get both of them. Amare needs a jump shooter, Bosh has a solid jumper but can go down low as well. Bosh needs a down low player, Amare attacks the rim but can take the jumper if needed. They'd compliment each other fairly well.
Plus, if you get it out there that you think that's a good pairing, Bosh may like knowing that you made the move with him in mind.
I still haven't seen anyone adequately explain why trading for the dysfunctional tandem that is Amar'e/Shaq is going to produce better results here than it has in Phoenix.
Amar'e feels like Shaq is killing "his game" how is he going to feel about having Shaq gravy train on his "get out of jail" card?
Better coaching here?
Its more of a "they want to get out of Shaq's contract so we take him on" type thing. Gives them a ton of cap space this offseason. That's just an assumption, I was only in the car for 3 minutes so I didn't get to hear their reasoning.
Honestly Shaq fit this team better last year (with Billups spreading the floor). he'd be in the way of Stuckey and Amare. Put me in the camp of going after Amare, but not Shaq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
If all this falls through, if we could snag Shaq for the remainder of the year, I'd do it.
edit..Actually we'd have to have him for 09/10 too, but thats when Bosh becomes a fa, which doesn't mean we could sign him anyway, which is why we are having this discussion, etc, nvm
So we'd have him this year and next year. I think he'd be a decent pairing with Sheed, since Sheed doesn't want to do the dirty work anymore. Move him back to PF and let him rove. Not my ideal solution but better than what we've got.
It just delays the rebuilding by one year.
Lions fan talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
If you don't think that acquiring Shaq helps you win a title, then why bother? Why waste a year of Tay/Rip's, etc. careers?
I mean, I know that you are the eternal optimist when it comes to the Pistons, but come on.
Actually i'm not(and you know i'm not if ever legitimately read my posts over the past few seasons). I just don't believe in rebuilding from the "blow shit up" stance you typically refer to. Blow the Lions up. They tank and remove their good players to purposely lose. Fix what's broken with the Pistons(coaching, and the weak front court), and keep it rotating. But that's just me. I'm all for improvements, blow somebody else's team up though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
We may not win a championship with Shaq but we still end up with the cap space in '10 and we're not winning with what we've got now. He gives us a better chance to win than the current setup. Who knows, maybe it rejuvenates a few people. Rip goes back to the starting lineup, Sheed gets a boost knowing he doesn't have to bang down low (which he obviously hates!) and cover the other teams post player, and we can just dump the ball to Shaq in the post when nothing is coming from our offense to give it a boost. We won't win a championship, but we'll at least make it a round or two into the playoffs, which is better than being bounced in the first.