In addition to Sheed and AI, these could possibly be some of the most important players in the league this year.
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In addition to Sheed and AI, these could possibly be some of the most important players in the league this year.
Imagine if Rock Financial was still spending beaucoup cash sponsoring the Pistons and Joe and Tom Wilson decided to send Sheed or AI to the Cavs for Wally or for Wally/Snow.
One rumor that has been floating is Richard Jefferson to the Blazers for LaFrentz.
Can Snow be dealt?
As far as I know, he hasn't retired (the sites that I look at all list him on the Cavs books still).
I assume that it's no different than Aaron McKie being dealt last year.
Aside from the fact that Snow isn't coaching anywhere (that I know of).
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Maybe they'll make him head coach next season like Dumars did.
That "has been productive" part is oddly worded.
Even if you take out the previous part seperated by commas you'd get, "This arrangement remains unofficial, but has been productive and will continue into the 2008-2009 season."
I'd like to know who decided that it has been productive, lol.
Lebron.
Lebron decides everything for that team. Even random wiki pages about it.
re: Amar'e
You think Amar'e, Aldridge and Oden would be a pretty good trio of bigs in Portland?Quote:
The Portland Trailblazers are rumored to have offered up Raef LaFrentz, Jerryd Bayless and a protected number 1 draft pick.
Do they want another guard though? Sheed Tay and a first is better than that. Sheed Amir and a pick, probably not (except Amir is a big).
I think they really want Nash's future replacement.
Maybe they'll deal Nash to Toronto or he might leave for the Raps or Knicks in 2010 (as has been rumored).
That gives Bayless a year to play under Nash and they can move Nash at the deadline next year if they want to.
If they are making a play for the future, they trade Shaq not Amare. This is a win now trade.
See, I think it's a payroll trade, pure and simple.
I think they might trade them both (Shaq/Amare) if they can.
Sarver is having $ trouble.
Shaq makes more money then Amare.
Amar'e has more trade value (will bring more young talent in return), and is not happy.
It's going to take a special circumstance for someone to want to take on Shaq's $22m+ for next year.
But if it's a payroll trade plain and simple then the goal is to get out of the most money (so bringing back less contracts would be a good thing).
Good point, I mistyped. I should have said it's a "rebuilding/get younger" move. (although Sarver is having $ trouble)
I think they'll try to move both, but will have a harder time finding a partner for Shaq, so Amar'e is more likely to move for expirings/youth/picks.
Why would Portland want Amare? I guess you can get each enough minutes, but you know Amare would bolt. Why stay in that crowded young front court?
They would get a free trial to see how it works out and then they could move one of them next year if need be (kind of what the Clippers were HOPING to do with Camby, Kaman and Randolph).
I think Portland has a great opportunity to use this LaFrentz chip to put themselves right in the mix, if they make the right move.
If the Pistons were still contenders, that Wally contract would have me losing sleep as well.
What do they do with the 10 mil of bigs not playing (Pryz and Frye) once Amare is there?
I agree they can use Reaf to put them over the top though. They don't have anybody coming up next year, so even if they take on a player with 1 year left they are in good shape.
Would the Suns trade Shaq for Reaf/Frye/Diogu? They'd clear 20 mil next year and be able to go after Boozer to play next to Amare. Portland would get Shaq for the playoff push (he'd be a great combo with Aldrige) and maybe Oden would learn a little from him too. It also wouldn't cost Portland any real assets that would hurt them down the road.
I doubt that Portland would want Shaq's $22m with Darius Miles' dead money on the books now, too.
Do you think Shaq makes them legit title contenders?
They'd have more size than anyone, plus good outside shooters and athletic wings that can defend and rebound.
cant imagine lamar getting traded right now. hes playing well and getting alot of rebounds in place of bynum. hearing the brad miller for odom trades though. brad and pau would be too similar imo.
wally and raef should be the 2 big names.
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The Dish: Poor economy influencing trade decisions
By David Aldridge, TNT Analyst
Posted Feb 10 2009 7:17AM
A year ago, the Memphis Grizzlies were vilified by many around the NBA for seemingly giving Pau Gasol away to the Lakers to cut payroll.
A year later, a lot of teams are trying to do the very same thing.
Almost no one has picked up on the real story behind the shopping of Amar'e Stoudemire in Phoenix, and Tyson Chandler in New Orleans, and the impetus of many teams to be active before the Feb. 19 deadline. It has nothing to do with basketball, no matter what you hear about Amar'e's lack of defense and Chandler's history of injuries.
This year, the trade deadline is being influenced like never before because owners who've lost millions in the plunging U.S./global economy are determined not only not to be luxury tax payers, but to cut costs as much as possible as quickly as possible, with no intention of allowing their team's salaries to ever rise near the tax threshold in the foreseeable future.
In the last week, I've heard of a half-dozen owners whose personal fortunes have been slashed significantly by the recession.
In one case, one employee of a team told me his boss has lost nine figures--more than $100 million--in personal wealth. In another, someone who's never been wrong in 10 years swears that another owner has lost $1 billion since the recession began. (Obviously, as I don't have each team's spreadsheet in front of me, or a month of free time to become an expert on tax shelter/tax write-offs policy, determining exact losses is an impossibility.) But owners aren't immune to the forces that have paralyzed the rest of the American economy.
"I don't think there's an owner in the NBA who hasn't lost money in this recession," one NBA team executive said Monday.
That reality has collided with the usual "one-player away" thought process that drives many deadline deals--a desire that should be even more acute this season, given the serious injuries to front-running teams like the Lakers (Andrew Bynum), Magic (Jameer Nelson) and Cavaliers (Delonte West and Sasha Pavlovic) that might make them more vulnerable down the stretch and in the playoffs.
"No question the economy is driving more basketball decisions," another team executive e-mailed. "Would hate to be a team dumping money while trying to remain competitive right now--everyone's trying to do it."
Enter the Hornets, with Chandler, who's got two years and $24.3 million left on his contract. It seems crazy for a size-challenged team like New Orleans to be shopping its only seven-footer, but the Hornets have made it clear, one of the execs said, that the goal in seeing what's available for Chandler is saving money. Which begs the question: if the Hornets are trying to save money now, when they're doing relatively well both on the floor and in the stands--three years removed from Hurricane Katrina--what would happen if the Bugs started going south at either end of the equation?
Make no mistake, it's happening league-wide. The already short-handed Bucks, having lost Michael Redd for the season and Andrew Bogut for two months, may still deal either Charlie Villanueva or Ramon Sessions before the 19th simply because they know it will be impossible to re-sign both of the rising free agents this summer--unless they can find someone to take Richard Jefferson. The Bulls have been shopping Andres Nocioni's remaining four years and $28.5 million as hard as they've offered Tyrus Thomas, Ben Gordon and Larry Hughes. And even though the Clippers have specifically denied it to me, I keep hearing they're still determined to repatriate Chris Kaman, figuring they can go 10-40 just as well without him as with his remaining three years and $33.9 million.
All of which must make Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley stifle a bit of a chuckle.
Heisley was raked over the coals last year when the Grizzlies insisted on expiring contracts, young players and draft picks for Gasol. The Lakers ultimately came up with now 24-year-old center Marc Gasol, guard Javaris Crittenton, a second-round pick in last year's draft and a 2010 first-rounder and Kwame Brown's expiring $9 million deal. (Memphis turned Crittenton into a future first from Washington in December.)
A year later, what is Suns president Steve Kerr looking for in exchange for Stoudemire?
Expiring contracts, young players and first-round picks.
"He's saying he has to get those things for a deal to be worth it," another team executive says. "I like the kid...but he does have serious flaws on the court for one...secondly, whoever trades for him has to accept that he could be walking in a little over a year from now (Stoudemire can opt out of his last year in 2010, when he's due to make $17 million)."
For his part, Heisley says other NBA owners are dealing with an economic system that he believes is not sustainable.
"We've got to be realistic," he said. "The only way for this league to really have financial viability across all of the teams is to have team revenue sharing like the NFL has...with current economic conditions and with the attendance and so on being what it is in Memphis, we're not going to indiscriminately spend millions and millions of dollars on players unless they take us deep into the playoffs."
Meanwhile, the haves, like Portland--whose owner, Paul Allen, still has a net worth of $16 billion or so after years of nine-figure losses, according to Forbes--still can make deals for basketball reasons. I'm told by a reliable source that the Blazers could lose another eight figures this season. But they'll still be active before the deadline and in the offseason.
The Blazers have the league's best expiring contract in Raef LaFrentz's $12.7 deal. (Yes, the Knicks have Stephon Marbury's $19 million contract, but at the glacial pace of negotiations on a buyout, no one on earth--save the New York Post, perhaps--believes Marbury will be bought out before the trading deadline. He may not be bought out before March 1, the deadline for setting playoff rosters. But that's another column.)
With insurance paying 80 percent of LaFrentz's salary this season, any team that picks him up for the rest of the season would receive, in essence, a cash benefit of almost $5 million. In this economy, that's huge.
Interest in LaFrentz "just went from about a two in the last month a to nine and a half," one Blazermaniac divulges, and the fact that having other teams read that is self-serving for Portland doesn't mean it's not true. The Blazers also have the kind of relatively inexpensive assets, from guards Jerryd Bayless and Sergio Rodriguez to swingmen Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster, to put in a package that would be attractive for any team looking to cut costs.
So, after threatening to sue any of its partners that had the temerity to sign Darius Miles, Portland could wind up playing financial savior for one of its lessers.
Life is not without its ironies.
Wally for Jamison rumored.
The problem with that is the Cavs already have a truck load of bigs. None of them great, but how do they find minutes for Z, Ben, Sideshow, Jamison?
Without Sasha they are already thin in the backcourt.
They don't play Ben very much as is. Sideshow becomes #1 pick off the bench, Z and Jamison start. Ben only gets used as needed.
So you have no backup wing and no starting SG right now? You obviously have to let sideshow walk this year, so you are forced to rely on Z and Ben for solid minutes.
Maybe someone needs to go over to RealCavsFans and ask them what they think?
I wonder if Wally + ? could get the Cavs Amar'e?
That would only help them try to keep LeBron, eh?
Something like:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=bg5oso
The Cavs would be in cap hell, but if it helped them keep LeBron, would they care?
The Suns get ton of relief and a young big (one that they liked at draft time, IIRC)
RUMOR: Vinsanity to Portland for LaFrentz's contract, Outlaw & Rodriguez.
Wouldn't the Suns rather have Sheed? Wally doesn't make sense there with JRich there. They'd have nobody besides Shaq up front. i suppose that would make them players for Boozer though.Quote:
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Wally for Camby rumored.
:chad:
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The hottest name at the trade deadline? A guy who hasn't played a game this season: Raef LaFrentz of the Portland Trail Blazers.
"If you asked owners in the league who they'd rather have right now, LaFrentz or Stoudemire, I think more than half of them would prefer LaFrentz," one executive told me. "That's how screwed up this thing has been. I guarantee you [Blazers GM] Kevin Pritchard has gotten better offers for LaFrentz than the Suns have gotten for Stoudemire."