I am too lazy to find and top the ask Kstat thread.
Also, I don't want you to think we have bonded enough to exchange private messages.
You seem to be of the opinion that Detroit should "run"
How well does that usually translate to the playoffs?
Printable View
I am too lazy to find and top the ask Kstat thread.
Also, I don't want you to think we have bonded enough to exchange private messages.
You seem to be of the opinion that Detroit should "run"
How well does that usually translate to the playoffs?
run = fun
current team and style = going nowhere
playoff chances beating either Boston or Cleveland are close to zero, it doesn't matter which style we play....
I think running is an option only because we don't have the ability to run a decent half court offense without a PG that knows how to set up his teammates properly.
I think Stuckey could run the "run and gun" offense, but I don't think we have a coach that could teach the rest of the players how to do it.
Plus I hate that offense. I would rather see a 70-68 game than a 145-143 game.
Agreed. Running is a much easier thing to do than operating a effective half court offense (pick and rolls, hitting your man coming off screens at the right time, etc.).Quote:
Originally Posted by MoTown
"run and gun" is a cop out offense, IMO.
Not to say that running as part of your offense is bad, but relying on a free wheeling, non-structured system hasn't worked for a reason.
Doesn't matter. K doesn't think they're going to make the playoffs.
Winning with the style isn't impossible. It's just harder than winning with defense.
NOT ONE OF YOU IS KSTAT
110% correct!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Glenn, I totally agree with you.
So I got that going for me, which is nice.
I love it when I say "get out and run," people always just assume I'm talking about going back to the days of doug moe.
Shit, I'm not even talking about going back to the days of george irvine.
This current team has the best chance to score on the secondary break. They do not have very good halfcourt personnel, but they have some very fast, athletic guards.
There's a reason that, despite all of the scoring guards we have, this team is damn near the bottom of the NBA in offense.
It's still possible to run and still play good defense. Iverson has played on fine defensive teams in the past and still averaged his 30.
There's a bunch of square pegs being forced into round holes. Play to the strengths of Iverson and Stuckey. Let Tayshaun Prince be the #1 offensive option in the halfcourt, and Rip when Tayshaun is out.
Successful teams can control tempo, force the other team to play their game.
That doesn't mean "grind the game to a halt".
This just means knowing when it's appropriate to run and when to grind, and having the tools to take advantage of either situation.
And I am not Kstat. So there!
I lolled, btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by BubblesTheLion
I did too.
and I think I rec'd something similar from Bubs once.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
There isn't a team in the NBA that has the tools to match pace with iverson and stuckey in the open floor. Therefore, it should always be in their best interest to get out and run.
The problem with running is you have to rebound first. Since they suck at rebounding it would be difficult to run and gun from full court out of bounds situations.
they can rebound enough. They aren't great on the glass, but they aren't terrible either, so long as they aren't going small.
Their rebounding margin is -.8 per game. That's with being 6th in the NBA in opponents FG%, which means there are plenty of defensive boards to get. They just aren't getting them.
again, totally skewed by the small ball games where they got murdered on the glass.
Yeah, not a good rebounding team at all.
Also, was this thread meant to be an open letter to Kstat (Dear Kstat, ...)
Or was it a term of endearment? (Bubbles saying "(My) dear Kstat" ...)
Unfortunately I don't have the time to look at those games and see if we were in fact out rebounded a lot in them. If you wish to post those stats I might be swayed. Otherwise I still think they are a bad rebounding team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
I don't care what the numbers say, if you watch the games you know that they struggle on the glass.
All I know is they weren't playing a small lineup against Houston when they got 5 shots in a row in the last couple minutes. A Houston team without Yao BTW.
Quote:
2:09 Rasheed Wallace blocks Luis Scola's layup
2:09 Houston offensive rebound
2:09 103-99 Official timeout
2:00 Tayshaun Prince blocks Tracy McGrady's 18-foot jumper
1:59 Luis Scola offensive rebound
1:52 Ron Artest misses 14-foot two point shot
1:49 Luis Scola offensive rebound
1:31 Ron Artest misses 27-foot three point jumper
1:29 Ron Artest offensive rebound
1:09 Tracy McGrady makes driving layup 105-99
that was an absurdly small sample size taken in a game where they DID play small for most of it, so ouston was used to crashng the glass.
Lastly, most of those were all long rebounds and balls tipped and deflected that were basically 50/50 rebounds.
ugh, why did you have to bring that up Chris?
The Pistons are poor on the glass, small ball or no small ball.
poor, but not terrible.
I'm not even sure why this is even an issue. There have been teams that run without being great on the boards before. Iy helps yeah, but it isn't essential.
Dyess is good on the D glass (which is what we are talking about here). Everyone else is sub par. The team is a touch below average.
Factor out the month that McDyess wasn't around. Our current rebouding situation isn't nearly as bad as it was when he was Denverizing.
Actually you are wrong. If you looked at the stats we had our best rebounding month when mcdyess wasn't on the team. Not only did they average more RPG (40.9) but the differential was only -0.3. Next time check the stats before making proclamations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
sniper
We played 17 games after November 1st and before December 9th (when McDyess was out). In those 17 games, we:Quote:
Originally Posted by yargs
- outrebounded our opponent only 4 times.
- collected 676 rebounds to our opponents 724 rebounds
(724-676)/17 = -2.8 rpg differential without Dice, not -0.3 rpg.
And what did these teams win?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kstat
I can't read this post through all the blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Mxy
I need to come up with some shorthand for "you don't fuck with Mxy".
I'm getting sick of typing it every day.