The real question is: how many busts can Joe draft in one night?
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The real question is: how many busts can Joe draft in one night?
Hopefully, it's not as many busts as the WNBA draft.
hey at least in the 'vagina nba' they can shoot.
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Rod (Southfield, Mich.): Why are the Pistons not looking at Tyler Hansbrough? This guy is a David Lee with more leaping ability and he’s going to give you 20 points a game. He’s one of the few proven guys out there. The Pistons will be very sorry if they let him slip past them.
Langlois: The Pistons haven’t said they’re not looking at Hansbrough, Rod. Most credible draft projections had Hansbrough going in the late first or early second rounds until very recently. He measured and tested better than expected at the Chicago combine and really was one of the few players who noticeably boosted his draft stock there. (Though to call him David Lee with more leaping ability is inaccurate. Lee was the slam dunk champ at the McDonald’s All-American game as a high school senior and was best known for his athleticism, unlike Hansbrough.) It’s now believed he could go as high as the middle of the first round – and one credible mock draft source, ESPN.com’s Chad Ford, had him going as high as No. 11 to New Jersey in his most recent mock. So it’s now possible he’ll be off the board at 15 when the Pistons pick – and no one would have guessed that as recently as two weeks ago. I don’t think anyone believes he’ll be a 20-point scorer in the NBA, but if he can be a solid rotation piece, that’s not bad.
must be hansbrough's agent writing in that BS question.
I created a mock draft on my blog if anyone wants to check it out.
http://rgsportsview.blogspot.com/200...nba-draft.html
Nice job Reg...
Interesting scenario if Joe has to pick between Mullens or Clark.
Needs vs talent
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Originally Posted by Langlois
Chad Ford is a credible source? When did this happen?
Chad might be credible in terms of picking a likely draft order, but not in terms of evaluating talent.
CoughDarkoCough
Players in play for #15 according to Keith
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Johnny (Sterling Heights, Mich.): I went to a bunch of mock drafts and I’ve come to the conclusion that out of 27 mock drafts, you can narrow it to five players for the Pistons: B.J. Mullens, DeJuan Blair, James Johnson, Jrue Holiday and Terrence Williams. Of my assumptions, which one do you think best fits our needs?
Langlois: I think the assumption is off, for starters. Holiday is highly likely to be gone. I think your other four names would all be considered – but so would Earl Clark, Austin Daye, Jeff Teague, Eric Maynor, Ty Lawson … I’d say there are at least eight and perhaps more players who are still under consideration. There is a much wider range at 15 this year than there would be in a typical draft year with a week to go, and that’s especially true in the 10-25 range. Teams have to be prepared that someone unexpected could fall to them. And as for best fitting needs … that just isn’t a big issue with the Pistons. They almost always take the player they think best fits the Pistons profile, regardless of position. They can’t really target a need this year, anyway, given the great uncertainty as to what will happen at the top of the roster this summer. In other words, what might appear a great need today could change drastically with a major free-agent signing and a big trade in the first two weeks of July. Best-case scenario, the player they pick at 15 works his way into the fringe of the rotation next season, which is another way of saying it doesn’t make a lot of sense to think anyone the Pistons draft at 15 is going to solidify any position.
please NO on austin daye. he's a lankier and suckier version of prince.
HW - Do you find it odd that our boy James Johnson climbed into the late Lotto and has now sunk back into the late teens?
I realise that this Draft is fairly even from 10-20 or so but I find it weird that a guy like him could rise and fall so quickly.
And what's your opinion on Ty Lawson? The guy is obviously lacking in the "measurements" but wasn't he one of the better college PG's? How can "experts" rate him so far behind the guys he out played this season?
Honestly, is this draft that bad? It seems like there's a TON of interest in this draft, and doesnt seem too shitty imo.
2 or 3 potential all star players and decent role players.
Every single Draft that isn't top heavy is called shit by experts and fans alike...
Until the day starts to get closer and it becomes abundantly clear to all that there are many, many players who could fill a role on your team right now.
If we had 2 first round picks in the teens we could get 2 of the following:
Johnson, Lawson, Mullens, Blair, Earl Clark, Austin Daye, Terrence Williams, Hansbrough, Maynor, Teague and I'm sure there are plenty more.
I look at that group and am pretty sure we could grab a couple of quality players for our squad - guys that are gonna work hard and do their job.
If we came out of this Draft with 2 of those guys I would be pretty happy (assuming we don't miss the boat on an All-Star calibre player).
Anyone agree with that?
(NOTE: Highly unlikely we trade our seconds for a mid-first due to the cap hold)
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We are so fucked.
I can only hope that this is a smokescreen to get someone to jump on him earlier.
P- i think johnson's fall is due to the wide range in opinions about this year's prospects. it doesn't take much for a guy to rise or fall a good bit because there are a bunch of guys where there isn't a general consensus on them. so they can be 'hot' one minute but then show up a bit overweight for a workout (as in johnson's case) and their stock can fall quickly.
i still love the kid and would draft him at #15 in a heartbeat. but i think given the uncertainty of a lot of these prospects, their stock is very prone to fluctuate fairly significantly.
as for lawson- i like the kid. but this draft literally has a bundle of pretty darn good PG prospects. most are 'undersized' but given the up tempo style of play that is becoming more fashionable and the transition to a lot of small, quick PGs, i think he has very good value. but put simply, i think there are a handful of guys who translate better to the nba than he does. he is very quick and strong but pretty limited athletically.
and while he improved his ability to hit the NCAA 3, he most definitely does not have an nba ready deep ball. lots of players coming into the nba don't. but his jump shot as a whole is pretty flat and will be even tougher for him to complete against bigger, longer, nba defenders. i wouldn't go as far as to compare him to mateen cleaves but.....there's genuine concern there.
and keep in mind-lawson thrived with a VERY talented team around him. not that he should be punished for that, but it has to be taken into consideration when you project his skills to the next level.
i think he can be a good backup PG. but i think given the depth of his position, he too is subject to being 'hot' one minute and then 'not' the next. given how close in talent that top group of PGs is, it comes down to beauty being in the eye of the beholder. and a guy who was ranked at or near the top of the half dozen or so top PGs, could easily slide to the bottom of that group, simply due to a 'numbers game'.
Some interesting first-hand impressions of Mullins....
http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-...ad.php?t=47336
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Many of you all have seem to have brushes with Pacers players, or just NBA players in general, and have been kind enough to post about it here. I always like reading those posts. Well, I happened to have had an opportunity myself tonight, and I thought you all might be interested in hearing about it.
I was in Manhattan for work today, and once I got to LaGuardia, spent a good bit of time ignoring my surroundings as I was talking to my wife on the cell phone. By the time I got off the phone, I was sitting in the transit bus taking us all to our plane. I look directly to the right of me, and I see these two massive femurs, and then I realize that I'm sitting next to one tall *******.
I happen to catch him look at his boarding pass, and I saw "Mullens" written on it, and realized I was sitting next to BJ Mullens. Turns out he's trying out for us tomorrow. We get off the bus, and start making our way to the plane. I was fortunate to be seated up on row 1, but his original seat was in the back of the regional jet (which some of you might know is really small and cramped). I call over to the flight attendant, noticing that the two seats on the opposite side of the row are empty, and coerce her to offer the seats to Mullens. Turns out that he took her up on the offer. I couldn't help but introduce myself by asking him whether he played ball for Ohio State. That turned into a pretty long discussion for a large portion of the flight. The flight ended at around 10:30pm, which doesn't seem like a great setup for a good night's sleep before a tryout. Given the amount of stuff we talked about, it's hard to recount all of the conversation, but here are some of the highlights:
He was surprisingly unengaged in the tryout / practice process: he mentioned how he just wrapped up a tryout with the Knicks today, and was in Detroit prior to that, but he couldn't recall who he practiced with, nor did he know who he was set to practice with tomorrow. He did know however, that he had 7 more cities to visit in the next seven days... pretty grueling, eh? Additionally, he didn't know who played at the 5 for the Pacers. When I mentioned Hibbert, Nesterovic, and Foster, he was familiar with Hibbert specifically, but didn't realize he came to the Pacers. "I haven't heard much about what happened to him, has he been any good?" That struck me as odd. My guess is that they would take the time to study the teams beforehand.
He grew up a big fan of Ohio State basketball, but really didn't follow the NBA very much. "I pretty much committed to Ohio State in the eighth grade" was a funny quote. He didn't have a dream place to play basketball for, and said he's only really followed the Cavaliers since Lebron James was brought in. He has a relationship with Greg Oden, thinks he's a hilarious guy to be around. Mentioned that Oden is at Ohio State now trying to work towards his degree. Personally seemed less driven to finish his own degree, but said "what else are you going to do over the summer?" Talked a lot about how most ball players in the public eye are limited in what they do with their spare time... which wasn't what I would have expected him to say. Also struck me funny that getting a degree was his way potentially of passing free time...
Didn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer, but someone you could hold a good conversation with. To me he seemed aloof and laid back, and not very driven, but a good guy to hang out with... a good ole midwestern boy.
Felt pretty resolute about deciding to enter into the draft: "definitely happy I'm going to play in the NBA". Seemed confident that he was going to be drafted first round. Mentioned a few times how tired he's getting of the traveling.
His favorite team he's tried out for so far was the Pistons, felt as if there might be a place in their plans for him.
When I asked him about players he'd like to emulate, he didn't have a concrete answer. He seemed to like McDyess a lot, and when I mentioned Kaman (only person that came to mind at the time), he agreed that he shared some similarities. He basically skated the question by saying there were lots of players that had features he'd like to emulate.
Has been to Indy many times before and likes the city.
I'm an above average height guy (6'4"), but he made me feel tiny. 7'0" up close is impressive. He's lean and not very bulky... not fantastic definition, but solid... I'd guess he's a good 240-50.
If he ended up emulating Kaman, and lived up to his potential of being a good post defender with above average offensive skills, he'd be worth a late first round pick for us. Not sure how he'd fit with Hibbert, but if we traded Foster around draft time, they might consider him a project @ the 5.
After meeting him tonight, that wouldn't disappoint me all that much, but my vision for a Hibbert complement would be someone more driven, angry, mean... a banger. His personality didn't seem to fit that mold. He's not an imposing presence.
Hope someone found this interesting...
I'd like us to take Austin Daye. It'd be nice to have a solid and unique guy at the 3, considering the shit luck we've had with backup 3s.
he's not unique IMO- he's a carbon copy of prince. except he's not as good a shooter or defender. and he's even more passive than prince. is THAT what you want in a backup SF...?
i think clark can play SF as can terrance williams. williams is a stud athlete and decent 3 point shooter. he can certainly improve that percentage but the point is he can shoot it. i'd take him, clark, johnson, teague, and a host of other players at #15 before i'd take daye. if we take daye we'll be getting a bust IMO.
BTW- just read something at nba.com that says we are very excited about deron washington's season in israel he had and with his development overall. apparently he could be a factor in the rotation next year.
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/player...llens-hd_0.jpg
Man, I hope this guy plays better than he looks.
Do any of you college ball fans think that Terrence Williams can play the 3 in the NBA? He looks great on film (don't they all) but I was really surprised to see that he's only listed at 6'6", he looks bigger.
Yeah, he can, he's country strong.
glenn- IMO he definitely can. he's a bit like jefferson, with his size and game.
i LOVE the kid and hope we don't overlook him if he's there. he's a dynamite athlete who is a great finisher, very good defender, he's versatile (can play the 3, 2 and even some 1) and he's a very capable shooter from 3 land with even more potential at the pro level.
i love the kid. i believe he will be gone by #15 but if he's not, i'd have a hard time passing on him.
I worry about his shot. A lot.
true. but i think the key thing is that he has nice form, elevation, and range on his jumper. IMO i think once he's in the pros and dedicates himself to taking tons of jumpers a day to improve since it's his fulltime JOB, he will definitely improve his consistency and outside shooting percentage. it's definitely a shot he can and does make, just not with the consistency you might want.
he is a guy who loves the game and works hard too, so i think that bodes well for his improvement in that area too.
like i said- the form is there just not the consistency. so that's a great thing IMO. it's not like he lacks the range or the form so repetition should see marked improvement.
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B.J. Mullens worked out for the Philadelphia 76ers (#17) on Sunday, and is scheduled to work out for Chicago (#16) on Tuesday. While many NBA teams we spoke with have picked up on the rumor that he may have a promise from Detroit at 15, things don’t really seem to add up here. If anything, the Pistons seem to be most interested in Earl Clark, and have reportedly told him as much, as have the Phoenix Suns, drafting 14th. On the other hand, Detroit continues to be very active in trade-talk, though, and could very well decide to move the pick, which would make all of this moot. Would Mullens really turn down his Green Room invite if he definitely knew he was going 15th? Clark on the other hand just passed up a workout with Chicago this week in order to be with his newborn baby, as he seems to be feeling very good about where’s currently at in this draft.
Lots of other good stuff here: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...une-22nd-3276/
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Pistons ponder plenty of options
Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
Auburn Hills -- The NBA silly season, already under way, will kick into high gear this week.
The NBA Draft is Thursday, then July 1 teams can start courting and negotiating with free agents, though they can't sign any until July 7.
It's called the silly season because of the wild and incessant rumor mongering it spawns. The Pistons, because they have four draft picks, a roster in flux and more available salary cap space than most, are caught in the vortex of it all.
If you believe all the Internet reports, the Pistons have interest in just about every top-level free agent available and have made monetary promises to a few. If you believe Internet reports, the Pistons are trying to trade Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and their first-round draft pick (No. 15). If you believe Internet reports, the Pistons have made verbal promises to at least two players to take them at No. 15. If you believe Internet reports, the Pistons are looking to acquire another first-round draft pick, later in the first round.
None of the above is true.
Pistons president Joe Dumars said Saturday there was "no chance" he was looking to trade his first-round pick. Nor was he looking to trade for an additional first-round pick. No promises or guarantees have been made to anybody.
Dumars also said he was not looking to trade Hamilton or Prince, though, as he has stated numerous times since the end of last season, nobody is untouchable. If the right proposal came along, Dumars wouldn't hesitate to trade either player, or the No. 15 pick. The key distinction is, he's not shopping them. He's not actively searching for ways to trade those two players or his pick.
Clearly, though, the next few weeks are going to be critical for Dumars as he tries to rebuild the Pistons. The draft will be only a small part of the rebuilding plan. The major reconstruction will be done through free agency and trades.
The draft
Besides the 15th pick, the Pistons also have three second-round picks (35, 39, 44). Ideally, the Pistons would like to use two of those picks on players they can stash in Europe for a couple of years.
Overall, this is considered a weak draft by the consensus of scouts and general managers. After the No. 1 pick, Blake Griffin to the Clippers, there are no projected stars. But there are, at least to Dumars, a good crop of NBA-ready players.
As he told Pistons.com, "I think were in position to get a good player. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we like the guys in the 10-to-15 range. These particular guys may not be guys you project as stars, but you can still project them as really good players.
"Our job is to continue to add talented players to the roster. Were going to be in position to do that at the 15th pick."
Through the work of vice president of basketball Scott Perry and director of player personnel George David, the Pistons have a list of about six or seven players they would consider should they fall to No. 15.
That list most likely includes (but is not limited to): Terrence Williams, 6-foot-6 shooting guard, Louisville; Earl Clark, 6-10 small forward, Louisville; Austin Daye, 6-11, small forward, Gonzaga; B.J. Mullens, 7-1 center, Ohio State; James Johnson, 6-8 power forward, Wake Forest; DeJuan Blair, 6-6 power forward, Pitt; and Ty Lawson, 6-1 point guard, North Carolina.
"We've targeted four or five guys we like and were hoping we can get one of these guys," Dumars told Pistons.com. "Whoever we get, we think, is going to upgrade our talent base."
Question: what is the point of giving a kid a promise that they'll draft him if he's available? It seems like terrible business.
Amongst other rationale (which someone smarter or more interested than I am can explain) it can prevent the player from working out for teams picking after you and possibly getting hurt. Which is why Mullens working out for Chicago (16) and Philly (17) throws a lot of doubt on this "promise".
Also, you promise him before the pull-out date to convince him to stay in.
I understand the reasoning now... but it still seems stupid (except Hermy's scenario). If a different player drops, don't miss out on him because you gave a promise to a gumpy white kid with zero skill.
Or make a promise and then trade the pick.
Something tells me that I'm going to hate Rubio. He reminds me of Ginobili for some reason.
I hate all those foreign fucks.
They just don't seem to have that old fashioned attitude I like.
I wanna see guys like Maxiell smash these little punks, but those days are long gone.
And that pisses me off.
The first time Blair plays Rubio he should just smack the kid.
Once he knocked him on his ass Blair could stand over him and say:
"Fuck you, you little cunt! You make more money than me and you're a fucking pussy"
Then let's see what Rubio would do.
Convulse.
Likely - and if he got drafted by Sacramento you know none of those bitches would step up to Blair.
Damn I wish Maxiell would just fucking smash dudes. That can be his role!
For 10 or 15 minutes (or however long it takes to foul out) his job should be to smash whoever the fuck is stupid enough to attempt to dunk on our homecourt.
We're still the Detroit Pistons - not the fucking Fairy Queens. Fuck David Stern and this sanitised shit. Every team needs a guy that smacks people. Max can be our guy (but fuck paying him $5 mil per for that)
For MoTown
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James (Plano, Texas): Is it true the Pistons have promised B.J. Mullens they will draft him at 15? I personally feel Earl Clark is better.
Langlois: The Pistons have consistently denied making promises to players. It’s not a wise policy in most instances, and especially not in a draft with as much uncertainty as this one. What if a player they clearly rate higher than Mullens unexpectedly falls to 15, as could happen with this draft? As for Clark, there’s reason to believe Phoenix has pretty strong interest in him at 14, though he could still be on the board at 15 and would draw strong consideration from the Pistons, as well.
FYI: I am Keith Langlois.
Langlois mock draft: http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/mock....html?rss=true
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Detroit – If the draft falls this way through 14, the Pistons probably will focus on a group of big men that includes Johnson, Clark, Austin Daye and perhaps B.J. Mullens. Johnson would be most ready to play from day one next season, but he could be a tweener. Daye, at 6-foot-11 and 193, has enormous upside – but might be too frail to help anytime soon. That’s why we’ll lean to Louisville’s Earl Clark, who has All-Star tools if he answers questions about his fire.