I had fino going to Detroit in my mock that year, hoping he would fall thanks to injury.
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I had fino going to Detroit in my mock that year, hoping he would fall thanks to injury.
Seriously? With Gray and Walton, maybe this coach hiring will last only a few days before the inevitable happens....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gl'enn
cue the picture of the VW bus and the fat girls
I'm gonna do this one at a time.
Mxy: Please post the rest on the stuff from that Chicago Pre-Draft camp. I'm sure there is more interesting stuff ...
The stuff you did post doesn't really make a difference. Lee and Maxiell both played well. Both showed their skills.
The only negative comment about Lee was:
and the article says it's probably due to a lack of touches/style of play.Quote:
While Lee probably didn’t dominate the way a player of his billing might be expected to at this camp, this probably had more to do with his lack of touches and the style of play than anything that would reflect poorly on Lee.
So why bother posting that stuff at all?
Zekyl -So we can't fault our scouts for following popular opinion and missing studs like Joe Johnson and Richard Jefferson so they could draft Rodney White?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
What?
It's their job to see through the hype, to see what a player has inside them and to develop the skills they have.
White had all the tools but lacked the mindset needed to succeed in the NBA. How did our organisation not see it? Why didn't they see that Joe Johnson or Richard Jefferson did have the mental toughness and determination to excel in the NBA?
Those questions need to be asked because they miss studs to draft mental midgets far too often.
Darko is in the same boat as White - all the tools but lacked the mental toughness or maturity to succeed. Yes, he was 18 but it's not like they didn't know that at the time.Quote:
In the Darko year, he was the big name. People were all about Darko, not just the Pistons staff. Bosh was rated no where near a top-3 talent in that draft by anyone. It was James #1, the 2nd tier was Anthony and Milicic with Wade just barely below them and Bosh was rated below those 4 by everyone. You can't blame us for taking the guy rated as a top-3 talent by the entire league over someone else unless you're basing it on their production since then.
And Bosh was rated below Wade? Who got drafted #4? It wasn't Wade so obvious someone (Toronto) thought Bosh was gonna be pretty good.
And someone in Detroit thought Bosh was gonna be pretty good too, otherwise they wouldn't have brought him back so close to the Draft for another workout.
You'd rather have Bass right now instead of Max though. And you'd rather have David Lee than Max too.Quote:
I was excited when we picked Max. I didn't know much about him when we made the pick, but I read up on him after and he was a perfect fit for the Pistons team we had at the time. He could still develop into what we saw flashes of two years ago, and I'm not ready to dump him off just yet. If we don't sign Brandon Bass, I'd rather keep Max. Give him a chance with a consistent 20 mpg and a real coach, then judge him. He's willing to post up and he's developed a nice midrange J. He hustles his butt off and he's a hard worker. Was he as good as a couple of players taken after him? No. Was he better than players taken before him? Yes. He was a solid pick where we got him.
Both Lee and Bass were drafted after Maxiell! We could have had 1 of them!
The fact is that Joe has drafted mental midgets, career bench players and a mixture of crap. The ONLY excuse people give for it is that a certain player was hyped at the time.
No offense - but fuck off with that shit.
Just because a choice is popular doesn't make it the right one. Do your own research. Decide what is right for you. And then do it.
I'm lucky - ain't no one posting about my dumbass choices when I was younger (except for me).
But I ain't GM of a multi-million dollar basketball team. When Joe makes a draft pick or a free agent signing then he's on the hook for it. When you fuck up on Draft Day as often as he has then something needs to be said. And I can't believe that on this site I have to defend my opinion.
We've got the best and brightest and y'all can't see that Joe is crap when it comes to the Draft! Why? I love the guy as much as the next fan but I'm not gonna pretend he's good at something when all the evidence points to him being freakin' pathetic.
Is it so hard for some of y'all to admit he's crap at 1 aspect of his job?
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Originally Posted by Zekyl
Ignorant?
Slow your roll, Z.
Drafting a dude with injury issues in the first round is completely different than taking a guy with injury issues in the 2nd round.
Do the words guaranteed money mean anything to you?
And if the injuries were the only problem with Delfino then maybe I'd let it slide. But the guy is not and was not the player Josh Howard is/was.
I can't believe that after Tayshaun showed what he could do that we went and passed on a dude from the same freakin' mold.
But it's cool - give Joe another free pass.
MoTown/Fool - I refer you to post #81 from Hermy.
Sweet - all done.
Now who's up for round 2?
Ain't no one gonna defend Mateen? Didn't we draft the worst Michigan dude available (Mo Pete was there) because we needed a PG in the event Grant Hill bolted?
And for the record: that is the dumbest excuse someone has ever given for a failed draft pick.
I've always considered Mateen a "marketing"pick.
Those were dark days, he was extremely popular in the area, and they needed to fill the building.
I'm sure they had him rated in the first round somewhere, but they got greedy and decided to move him up, IMO.
My memory is fading in old age but here's the obvious questions:
Was Mo Pete that unpopular?
The guy has gone on to have a rather boring career - but he actually had a career. Cleaves had no chance cause he had no jumpshot.
Wouldn't drafting a good player actually be a good marketing tool? I know we were first round losers every year and expected to lose Hill but if we drafted someone good would fans have been more pissed?
I'd already put the link to the rest of the Pre-Draft reviews from Draftexpress in the post you responded to. But here it is again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...,-Day-Two-202/
And as for "doesn't really make a difference", that's exactly my point! Both were outstanding in camp, and there was no clear difference in their camp performance. Your saying "David Lee rocked the Chi-Town Camp and we passed on him." is just plain silly. It's sorta like faulting some boss for not hiring the kid who got straight As, when the other kid they hired also got straight As.
FWIW, the issue in evaluating Lee and Maxiell turns out to be the same -- their position in college isn't their position in the NBA. Both were in lesser undersized programs and played C at their colleges, when they were PF/SF tweeners at the NBA level.
Yeah, caught that I said that about Wade too late, couldn't edit the post. My fault.