It looked like the Dems but I wasn't sure on that, but some of this stuff should just be let go while we're at war, imo. When our kids come home, if we feel we need to pass a resolution, vote on it. Just not now.
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It looked like the Dems but I wasn't sure on that, but some of this stuff should just be let go while we're at war, imo. When our kids come home, if we feel we need to pass a resolution, vote on it. Just not now.
Republican Presidential Nomination
RCP Average: Giuliani +10.7%
- Giuliani
- 30.2%
- Thompson
- 19.5%
- McCain
- 13.0%
- Romney
- 11.2%
Democratic Presidential Nomination
RCP Average: Clinton +25.6%
- Clinton
- 48.2%
- Obama
- 22.6%
- Edwards
- 11.6%
- Richardson
- 3.4%
President Bush Job Approval
RCP Average: Spread -27.8%
- Approve
- 34.0%
- Disapprove
- 61.8%
Congressional Job Approval
RCP Average: Spread -43.6%
- Approve
- 24.6%
- Disapprove
- 68.2%
And lets not forget 41 raised taxes on his last budget, Clinton followed. Remember 'read my lips'
It seems weirdly timed, I agree. But playing the devil's advocate: why is it ever wrong to acknowledge the truth?
There's better things to do in the grand scheme of things. There's plenty of crap that is agreed upon by more significant majorities with a more significant positive impact. Hell, even some Armenians (the ones who want to better normalize relations with Turkey) are against how this is going down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Swami
Also, there's the "please assist yourself before assisting others" principle that comes to mind. If this were "confederates" and "blacks", I'd feel differently because it's an issue that we own. Focus on the local injustice. Start with the shit that's currently happening that qualifies as serious injustice.
I agree that the US has a lot of explaining to do before they start asking for explanations from Turkey. Until a full accounting is made of treaty violations against, and forced migrations of, Indian tribes...and who were the prime movers and profiteers of the West African slave trade, which might implicate a lot of our European friends...we should probably just keep our mouths shut.
"Do not point out the small faults of others, for you have large ones yourself."
The problem with the "its just not the time" argument is that there's never a good time to announce that you think the precursors to a muslim ally, located where Turkey is located, practiced genocide. Its not like this is the first time the issue has been at bar or the first time the region has been in strife. I did a little research at the Armenian Research Center at the UofM-Dearborn campus (its literally a couple apartment size rooms filled with bookshelves and an office in the front) and had to write a research paper on the matter. There's really no question that it was a genocide and nearly wiped the people out of existence. Its almost always been a "when will it be declared" issue
Fuck the politics. These people were systematically exterminated and barely survived. I give a shit if people are unhappy with some of their ancestors being declared the tryanical murderers they truly were.
I'm fine with that "people in glass houses" argument but then the proper argument is "we need to declare our own attrocities" not "we shouldn't declare anyone elses either".
It was voted down twice before. And I know NOTHING of history but it wa the Ottomans. Fool hit on that part.
Turkey could prolly get a lil thicker skin on this. I mean who cares if the US Congress passes some words? The shit that is said about the US every day and they're worried about Nanci Pelosi?
Tough one.
re: Genocide. Not sure if this post belongs here but The History Channel(?) has broadcast some shows on the Hitler, Himmler, etc. They are ugly, very graphic. Sickening.
When I see things like this, I want this country to go to Darfur or wherever else we need to go to stop this sort of thing. Its not equivalent with the amount of people being murdered, but we as a nation should stop this sort of thing. I'm not trying to turn this into a Iraq thing, but when I see things like this and remembering what Sadam did to the Kurds and his own people, it makes me support our efforts there more.
Question: Should the US be more active in stepping in when genocide occurs in the world? Should our first steps be to go to the UN? I wish we'd be more consistent with our policy (if we have a policy).
I find it interesting that no nation in the history of the world has ever gone to war to stop a genocide other than their own.
My thinking on this matter is that setting an example really isn't all that important when it comes right down to it. The moral thing to do is always the moral thing to do, no matter who speaks on it. A sociopathic serial killer can still be right about 2+2=4.
The issue here is US policy, as Tahoe says. What the fuck is the policy? Will someone please decide once and for all if the US ever stands for intervening in cases of genocide? If someone's got some ethical reason for standing still while Darfur is wiped out, I'm willing to listen, but let's hear it.