So in your examples:
Darko vs Melo
Swift vs Miles
Williams vs Dunleavy
Bradley vs Penny
Ferry vs Elliot
and so on.
%90 of the time the #2 pick should be better than the #3 pick.
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So in your examples:
Darko vs Melo
Swift vs Miles
Williams vs Dunleavy
Bradley vs Penny
Ferry vs Elliot
and so on.
%90 of the time the #2 pick should be better than the #3 pick.
For the record I don't expect EVERY single draft pick to pan out.
I expect them to take the Best Player Available with every pick.
And on Draft Day every year the majority of this board complain about us not picking Blair, Chalmers, or someone else.
How is it possible that the board as a group can usually pick better players than our scouts and GM?
Does anyone on here work for the team and have access to all the test results the organisation has on these kids? No! Yet every freakin' year we all sit here on Draft Day and beg & plead with Joe to draft Blair, saying "who cares? It's the second round - if he's out of the league in 2 years it doesn't matter".
And what do they do? They let Blair pass. Time will tell if he should have been one of our picks in the second round. And I can imagine ths board in 4 years time - mocking me for pointing out people wanted Blair, using his injuries as a reason Joe passed and all kinds of junk to JUSTIFY our pathetic record on Draft Day.
Let's be honest - I have never pulled a guy out of my butt and held him up and said "Joe should have drafted Random Dude".
Whenever I have taken Joe to task about the Drafting I have always mentioned guys who at the time were viewed as equal or better than the guy we picked.
So, for the FINAL time:
In the Beginning:
2000 = Mateen - why did Joe draft him? Why did our scouts think he was the BPA? Or was he drafted to fill a need? Why was he drafted to fill a need when our team was so poor?
Players we missed: Morris Peterson, Jamaal Magloire, Des Mason, Q Richardson and I can't remember the hype on Turkoglu
2001 = Rodney White - people everywhere had him projected as a top talent, a guy that was the next Big Dog, who could put points on the board. How did our scouts get it so wrong? How did they not see he had no heart, no mental toughness, no guts?
Players we missed: Joe Johnson, Richard Jefferson, Troy Murphy and Zach Randolph all were pretty well hyped at the time too.
2002 Joe landed Prince - Blind Squirrel meet your nut
Based on his first 3 Drafts I'd say Joe finally learnt to take the BPA with "proven" skills that translate into the NBA.
Cleaves had no jumpshot, White was all about potential - Prince was proven.
2003 = Darko fiasco. My ONLY deal with the pick is how come it became an epic failure? He's never done anything in the league (still) and has been in a few different places now too. Why did no one see he was crap when Bosh was there?
Player Missed: Bosh - we went big because of "equal" talent. Don't bring that Wade/Melo stuff in here.
Also in 2003 we had Delfino. All those that oppose my view here always claim no one saw his injuries coming. Really? He fell to us because of his injuries. Go to RGM and look it up. It was widely known the guy had injury concerns. The dude had skills but why pick a guy with injury issues? Why not pick a guy like Josh Howard?
After the success of Prince one would assume Howard would be a lock.
Players missed: Josh Howard, Jason Kapono, Luke Walton, were all "known" or hyped.
2004 - no first rounder and then picked at #54 - why bother?
2005 - The Maxiell Madness - here we have a team coming towards the end of their run and we take a career bench player? David Lee rocked the Chi-Town Camp and we passed on him.
Players Missed: Our favourite free agents: Lee and Bass, Salim Stoudemire or if you wanna swing for the fences you can go CJ Miles, Monta Ellis, Roko Ukic, Louis Williams.
Hell, when we got Amir I thought it was a blessing.
2006 = we picked 60th so who cares.
It's too soon to label 2007 or 2008 a success or failure but the rest of them (except Prince, Memo and Amir) are clear cut HUGE mistakes.
And the majority of these picks were made while we were a legit contender to the title!! Imagine how different things could be.
And no, I'm not stupid enough to assume DYNASTY but another title? Sure - that's possible. Hell, we nearly did that while suffering from Joe's complete and utter disregard for the Draft.
Thank God he does dump his mistakes early, and has (it seems) mostly changed his ways on Draft Day. Time will tell but the last 3 Drafts give me hope.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...,-Day-Two-202/Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
Here's a review of Maxiell from the Chi-Town camp in question:
And here's David Lee:Quote:
Jason Maxiell: 8 points, 3/8 shooting, 3 rebounds, 2 blocks – Maxiell continues to impress, succeeding in spite of all the “undersized PF” clichés. He is an athletic marvel, strong as an ox, and shockingly athletic for a player as thick as he is. He creates more than enough space to get his shot off by getting very low on his post ups, and continues to show off regular highlight plays thanks to a freakish 7-foot-2 wingspan. Players his size simply shouldn’t be able to explode the way that Maxiell does. While he didn’t put up the type of stat line that he is capable of in the game, Maxiell was dominant in the individual post drills.
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David Lee: 12 points, 4/7 shooting, 5 rebounds – Lee had a quiet but effective showing in his first game at Chicago – especially in the second half. He displayed some unique finesse-type skills for a power forward. He shows dynamite quickness, smooth passing, and soft touch around the basket. While Lee probably didn’t dominate the way a player of his billing might be expected to at this camp, this probably had more to do with his lack of touches and the style of play than anything that would reflect poorly on Lee. We feel that more impressive statistical performances could be in store for David Lee. One play of note took place in the 2-on-2 drills, where he put down a spectacular reverse dunk from the baseline over Ellis Myles.
You point out the guys we missed in 2001 right after saying that people everywhere projected White as a top talent. People everywhere means not just our staff. Joe can't be faulted for that one. White was actually supposed to be off the board when we picked.
I wanted Jefferson at the time. I had no idea who Rodney White was.
In the Darko year, he was the big name. People were all about Darko, not just the Pistons staff. Bosh was rated no where near a top-3 talent in that draft by anyone. It was James #1, the 2nd tier was Anthony and Milicic with Wade just barely below them and Bosh was rated below those 4 by everyone. You can't blame us for taking the guy rated as a top-3 talent by the entire league over someone else unless you're basing it on their production since then.
I still contend that Darko would have been a decent PF if he'd been drafted by a team that would have handed him 15-20 mpg as a rookie and developed his face-up game instead of trying to make him play with his back to the basket. Who we SHOULD have drafted? It's not Bosh, although that's always the comparison. We should have drafted Wade. (That really hurt to say)
I was excited when we picked Max. I didn't know much about him when we made the pick, but I read up on him after and he was a perfect fit for the Pistons team we had at the time. He could still develop into what we saw flashes of two years ago, and I'm not ready to dump him off just yet. If we don't sign Brandon Bass, I'd rather keep Max. Give him a chance with a consistent 20 mpg and a real coach, then judge him. He's willing to post up and he's developed a nice midrange J. He hustles his butt off and he's a hard worker. Was he as good as a couple of players taken after him? No. Was he better than players taken before him? Yes. He was a solid pick where we got him.
Come on, P.....
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Originally Posted by Pharaoh
It's one or the other. You can't blame Joe for taking Delfino because he had injury concerns and say he's terrible at drafting, then blame Joe for passing on a guy with injury concerns to say he's terrible at drafting. That's ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
Zek coming strong
Actually there is a big difference. Delfino went in the first EARLIER than expected and Blair went in the second round much LATER than expected. Usually a good GM gambles on the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zekyl
I'm pretty sure Delfino was supposed to be a lottery pick. I remember Dumars getting a lot of credit after that draft because Delfino was possibly going top 10.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nbadraft/d03/story?id=1572845Quote:
Ford's Take: The Pistons pegged Delfino very early in the draft process. They spent all day trying to trade up to get him, now he falls right into their lap. He could be the steal of the draft. In a recent workout in Detroit, he wowed them with his toughness and shooting ability. He reminds me of Michael Finley. He'll contribute right away if he stays over here. Or, he could play in Italy one more year.
Welcome Travis Walton to the squad!