Do you want Ben back?

Rip + Tay + Stuckey is going to be more than $23million.

2010:
Rip - $12,650,000
Tay - $11,147,760
Stuckey - $2,767,126

That's $26,564,886.

Gordon ~11
Villanueva ~6.5

That puts us at ~$44mil. If we use your numbers for the rookies and Bynum, we're at $48-49 million. If the cap stays the same ($57.7mil), that gives us $8-9 million to play with. Again, we'd need that money for a backup PF, a starting C, and a backup C.

Many reports say the cap may go down again next year, which would give us even less.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just trying to say we aren't going to have as much money as you're saying. Even if we went into next offseason with $12m, that's not going to get us a guy like Bosh. Our only shot would be if we moved Rip for an expiring contract this offseason and gave ourselves $20mil next year.

Edit - We can probably wait to find out exactly what Gordon and CVs contracts look like to do the math on this.

I crunched some of these numbers a while back. I think Ben G is making a little more than I thought at the time I crunched these. I'll recalculate tomorrow, accounting for the Afflalo trade and adjusted contract figures. Is the consensus that Charlie V is 5 years/$35 million and Ben G is 5 years/$58 million?

While the cap going down would certainly hurt us, it also lowers the figure for the max contract. The starting point for a max contract is 30% of the cap. I'm including the min expected range, max expected range, and the average of those two.

Salary Cap, Max Conract

50,400,000 / 15,120,000
52,000,000 / 15,600,000
53,600,000 / 16,080,000

Assuming that the 2nd round rookies sign the same contract Sharpe signed, and Daye (as 15 overall pick) signs the same contract as Stuckey, this is how we look the next two years as currently constructed. I did Charlie V at 5 years/$37,700,000 with maximum 8% annual raises. Starting him at $6,500,000. I did Ben at 5 years/$51,000,000 with maximum 8% annual raises. Starting him at $9,000,000.

2009-10 , 2010-11
Charlie V 6,500,000 / 7020000
Ben Gordon 9,000,000 / 9720000
Rip Hamilton $11,625,000 / $11,333,333
Prince $10,324,380 / $11,148,760
Kwame Brown $4,000,000
Oberto $1,800,000
Jason Maxiell $5,000,000 / $5,000,000
Stuckey $1,805,040 / $2,767,126
Arron Afflalo $1,086,240 / $1,959,577
Will Bynum $825,497
Walter Sharpe $736,420
Washington $442,114 / $736,420
Jonas Jerebko $442,114 / $736,420
Summers $442,114 / $736,420
Austin Daye $1,687,320 / $1,805,040

TOTAL $52,702,577 / $48,948,796

Cap Figure Cap Space
50,400,000 1,451,204
52,000,000 3,051,204
53,600,000 4,651,204

well, McCosky is saying that ben is reaching out to the Pistons, ASB is saying the Pistons will reach out to ben, and Vince ellis is saying the Pistons have no interest at all in Ben.

I love this town. 3 beat writers with 3 different stories. I swear they all hate each other. Every story contradicts the guy before.

Ben not interested in Pistons in 5..4..3..

Vince Ellis just changed his story from "Pistons not interested in Ben Wallace," to "Pistons not actively looking at Ben Wallace."

Every backpeddle starts with a single step...

he ain't even a quarter of the player he used to be. but what the hell- i guess bringing him at the veteran's minimum to at least fill a roster spot, if nothing else, couldn't hurt at this point.

he's worth about 10 minutes a night at most. but that would give us perhaps the worst shooting big men in the league. ah, what the hell- let's have fun with it!

i'll take 10 rebounds and 2 blocks. It's better than anyone else available.

count me in on taking wallace over the crap available out there.

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Originally Posted by rugbypike#11

Is the consensus that Charlie V is 5 years/$35 million and Ben G is 5 years/$58 million?
....
Salary Cap, Max Conract

50,400,000 / 15,120,000
52,000,000 / 15,600,000
53,600,000 / 16,080,000
....
I did Charlie V at 5 years/$37,700,000 with maximum 8% annual raises. Starting him at $6,500,000. I did Ben at 5 years/$51,000,000 with maximum 8% annual raises. Starting him at $9,000,000.
....
TOTAL $52,702,577 / $48,948,796

2 issues.
You have Rip listed at 11,333,333. His salary would be increasing, assuming its at the 8% raise that would make it $12,555,000
You said Gordon was estimated at 5yrs/$58m, but when you did his cap figure you used $51m. So he would be at $9.5m if it was $55m total and $10m if it was $58m total?

Also, I've heard more of Gordon at $55 (9.5 first season, 10.26 2nd) and Villanueva at $40 (~6.8 first season, 7.344 2nd)

Without Afflalo, that gives us $52,352,766 in payroll next offseason using 55 and 40.

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Originally Posted by Kstat

i'll take 10 rebounds and 2 blocks. It's better than anyone else available.

I'll take him, but he's not giving us 10 and 2.