A lot of that isn't in the Jewish Bible, player.
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A lot of that isn't in the Jewish Bible, player.
You guys lost my dumbass about 10 posts ago.
Not too shy to admit that when it comes to deep and meaningful discussions on different religions I am lost.
Still interested, even though you guys are now discussing the ins and outs of several different religions.
Swami - is it possible that the Supreme Being resides within us?
From the Buddhist perspective? Absolutely. Any human can achieve the highest Enlightenment in this life with enough hard work and dedication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
It's not particularly likely for the vast majority of us, though. For the rest of us, it's going to take many, many lifetimes, so instead we just work on being the best people we can be. Serious work, though.
Buddhism is about knowing that inside each of us is an Enlightened being. That being is crusted over with lifetimes of greed, hatred, and delusion. The goal is not to become something greater than we are, but to become something less than we are. Start throwing away those things that aren't doing you any good. Chisel away at the cigarettes and the booze and the racism and the fear and the laziness and the one-night stands and the titty bars and the fights and the swearing and the gossip and the weapons and the stealing and the cruelty, and eventually, all you're left with is the Supreme Being.
Are you referring to the Talmud or the Old Testament?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
I'm not going to get too into this because there is nothing more pointless than an argument about religion, but I will share a couple brief thoughts:
I believe in a Supreme Being. In the most simplistic sense: I don't believe that everything is just coincidence. I don't believe that endless space was just an accident. I don't believe the gift of life is just chance. The beauty of this world and outside of this world is too perfect too perfect to be accidental.
I believe in free will and don't believe in fate. I think the struggles that we face on Earth will someday be considered pointless. I think our job is to do the best we can in our time on Earth and then enjoy ourselves in Heaven.
I believe that religious people can be arrogant and evil. When religious people start preaching to you and judging you, I think that does against what the message is. It drives people away, and that's exactly the opposite of what Christianity was founded upon.
I believe non-religious people can be arrogant and evil. When people make fun of you for having a different belief than you, it's just as bad as religious zealots. Either way you look at it, there's no proof. Both sides pretend there's proof - but there's not. I think that mean people are going to be mean, regardless if there a person of faith or not. Wars are started over religion, but if there was no religion, those wars would have been started over something different. To fight over beliefs is the stupidest thing in the world.
Finally, someone mentioned that they get mad when religious people try and explain everything in science with God. The way I see it, not everything can be explained by religion or science. We, as humans, aren't that smart. Just because we're the smartest beings on Earth doesn't make us all-knowing. But we are proud. And we think that we should be able to explain everything and if we cannot, then we get frustrated by it. I don't understand how everything works, but I'm okay with that. It makes me uncomfortable from time to time, but I'm okay with it.
But as I stated earlier, getting mad and arguing about other people's beliefs is pathetic. If everyone just believed in what they wanted and let everyone else alone, it would be fine. I won't explain my beliefs to anyone unless they ask my beliefs. Standing up in my wedding: An Agnostic, a Muslim, a Catholic, a Baptist and a non-denominational Christian. Beliefs aren't bad until you start fighting over them.
That's about all I got. I'm sure there's plenty of things in my post that some of you will love to tear apart.
(That was a much longer post than I intended)
The Old Testament (only in the Jewish order), but neither contains the stuff about Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zip Goshboots
No shit, but you said "alot" of that stuff wasn't in the Jewish bible--all of it was except the Jesus stuff. But Jesus was allegedly Jewish and allegedly hinted at throughout the Old Testament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
Jews certainly don't think Jesus was hinted at in the Old Testament. As for the "lot", you are correct. Originally I thought you started talking about Jesus as the "one path to heaven" when you actually started talking about the Tree of Knowledge. In my defense, I usually don't read even that much of your posts.
As a side note, I think it's very probable that Jesus never existed, and that the Christian religion was created for political purposes. It doesn't matter though. It still contains really beautiful stuff.
To be clear, my question was mostly for WTFchris to chew on -- what makes HIM a Catholic vs. a nominal Christian? It wasn't intended to be an exercise in comparative religion... was just trying to phrase it in some different ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fool
For most, it's part of the society they grew up in, and isn't an active choice. Some dude dunks you in water at a Protestant church before you remember, you're taught the Lord's Prayer with "For Thine Is The Kingdom..." and poof, you're a Protestant. Some really get into it, while for many others, that's the extent of their "religiousility".